The Syndicate

Pretty fucked up that I went to the trouble to get into this game with tutuu just to have her roll scum.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:33 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:32 pm Pretty fucked up that I went to the trouble to get into this game with tutuu just to have her roll scum.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine
WOW WTF

Town tutuu D0: is excited to play the game, tells all the people she likes to play with how much she wants to play with them, pre-emptively townreads people based on town and/or enthusiasm so she can start forming a towncore of people she trusts.

Scum tutuu D0: I'm TOWN everyone. I'm innocent TOWN. Have I mentioned I'm TOWN?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:38 pm well i wasnt like jumping up and down but i was lowkey pleasant sensation from seeing i rolled town and then i tried to talk to ppl but they were all friends in between themselves and they were talking to each other and i didnt know how to interject without being too awkward so i just said the stuff i said in case someone wanted to maybe start a conversation with me or something

Let's have a conversation, then. How did you feel when you got your scum role card from the host? Also what do you think about your teammates? Do you think you'll work well with them, or is bussing on your mind already?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:42 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:41 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:38 pm well i wasnt like jumping up and down but i was lowkey pleasant sensation from seeing i rolled town and then i tried to talk to ppl but they were all friends in between themselves and they were talking to each other and i didnt know how to interject without being too awkward so i just said the stuff i said in case someone wanted to maybe start a conversation with me or something
Let's have a conversation, then. How did you feel when you got your scum role card from the host? Also what do you think about your teammates? Do you think you'll work well with them, or is bussing on your mind already?
SHUT UP ALISON

im about to watch this movie u recommended btw. kung fu hustle. u said its very funny

Kung Fu Hustle is pretty great. It's like three times as funny if you understand Cantonese though, since the dialogue is way funnier unsubtitled. But a lot of the comedy moments in the movie just speak for themselves.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:47 pm now that i have taken you away from your mood of trying to pressure me to see how i'd react and i made u remember the pleasant sensation u got from laughing at ur favorite movie u should associate these pleasant feelings with me and townread me

But I associate pleasant feelings with catching scum. And being scum. So when I see you, I have pleasant feelings, and the first thing I think is "scum".

Also my scumread on you was serious, it wasn't a reaction test. You actually are a wolf.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:58 pm i just reread the entire thread and wow im actually pretty scummy wonder how many people are scumreading me

I know I am.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:59 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:59 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:58 pm i just reread the entire thread and wow im actually pretty scummy wonder how many people are scumreading me
I know I am.
0 / 2 you got a third?

Why is tutuu town?

"Tunnel" is an interesting choice of words, given that I've made one post calling tutuu scum, one post explaining the read, and then another post explaining that the read is serious.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

Now to decide if "esoteric reasoning" is short for "I want to defend my scum buddy" or "I know tutuu is town because I have TMI". It's probably the latter and calling us V/V is just a pocket attempt.

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:08 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:06 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:58 pm i just reread the entire thread and wow im actually pretty scummy wonder how many people are scumreading me
actually i disagree? i thought u were kinda towny

why did u scumread yourself? i wanna argue your read on yourself
WAIT

OK, this might be wolfy.

I'm interested. Why is it wolfy?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:08 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:05 pm "Tunnel" is an interesting choice of words, given that I've made one post calling tutuu scum, one post explaining the read, and then another post explaining that the read is serious.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine
my word choice is a bit imprecise sometimes and i use connotations that dont quite work

but i got a vibe of "tunnel" from my perceived strength of the scumread there. didn't mean to imply it was persisting a long time. how's bad word choice ai though?

my rhythms too even, the "nerdlean" post was a bit scummy in itself (kinda forced joke feel adjacent to actual read but not actual read), responding to too many people and therefore exuding nervous energy

1) Calling someone's read a tunnel without explaining your reasoning is a lazy way of discrediting it.

2) The second bit, about your rhythms, sounds like you have TMI on yourself. Nobody thought it was scummy, but you're scum so you feel guilty/paranoid about all your posts and want to pre-emptively head off attacks.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:12 pm my head is already spinning. i disagree with so much posts made posted itt already i dont even know where to begin lol

Start by explaining why you disagree with them, then.

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:16 pm I don't know if wanting to disagree and saying he's been towny feels natural. Like what was even towny anyways? Idk, that's obviously not a compelling argument.
But it's always easier for wolves to just pop-in to express disagreement in places where they *know* they are correct. You know?

It's the same argument I used with iaafr's read on tutuu/me as V/V, actually.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:17 pm are u saying this to get the ball rolling or is this genuine town alison? cuz i know that u like being serious or at least u come off often like that, and admittedly i dont know u that well yet but im puzzled as to why u just "reveal ur cards" like that? like, if u wanted to do what u said in this post, why wouldnt u question iaafr so u can then decide based off of his answer? why are u telling him pre-emptively what are u planning to do?

I'm laying out the two main possibilities I see. I expect iaafr will give me more information about which, if either, is correct as the game goes by. If he tries to intentionally conceal his relationship to you or muddy the waters, that tells me something, too.

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:19 pm Tbh Alison might be trying to implement the teachings of Nietzsche's The Will to Powerwolf

I do love powerwolfing.

I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.

Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:14 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:09 am If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.
i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

If you liked Your Name you'll like Madoka Magica.

Anyway a couple of people have chimed in to say that everything I find suspicious is just iaafr's meta but I don't have any leads other than tutuu/iaafr at the moment so I'm happy to just pursue it and see how it goes. If I'm wrong I have my faith in my ability to re-evaluate.

protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:51 am
Amy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:21 pm I am so supremely confident in my abilities, and so thunderously calm + relaxed, that I will make a single irrelevant post at SOD then peace out for hours on end. I won't do anything villagery, I won't make any reads, I'll make 29 shitposts over the next 23 hours, then once D1 rolls around I'll make an unspecified number of additional shitposts. No cogent thought will escape these handsome lips. I will be illogical, haphazard, superfluous, inessential, pointless, redundant, uncalled for, unwarranted, unjustified, and gratuitous. The effen theorem will catch me with my pants betwixt my ankles. I'll vote off-wagon, talk about random nonsense, and make inappropriate japes concerning my relation to wolfchat. I am preemptively declaring any responses to this post "fair enough". I'll complain about a lack of WIM, the cause of which is nebuluous, obscure, and entirely insufficient. I will fabricate excuses and pretend I am busy to avoid posting in this thread, when in fact I will be watching cartoons and eating cheeto puffs in my underwear. More specifically, black boxer-briefs. You can't stop me. You can't misyeet me. You're powerless. I laugh in your face. I'm a villager, therefore I can do whatever the fuck I want. Go cry in wolfchat, you big baby. While you're poring over the thread, searching for any clue at all to help you in the seer hunt, know that I am still watching those cartoons and eating those cheeto puffs, nary a care in the world. My armpits are bone dry. I'm a villager, what are you going to do about it? Nothing; you will do nothing about it, because that's all you can do. Ligma. What's ligma? Ligma balls.

[VOTE: Sleep] aubergine
Found another mafia

what makes you think this is scummy proto?

tutuu is town for that massive wall of text with incredibly convoluted reasoning about my alignment. Wolves don't put their mind so deep into the weeds for someone whose alignment they already know.

I'm gut reading proto town.

MR and tim have some W/W equity for a very "theater"-like interaction.

Benson seems like he's lonely and trying to reach out to people, which is town. Also Benson, my experience with proto has led me to feel absolutely no discomfort at his "self-conscious meta talk". I get why you feel suspicious about it - I had similar thoughts on iaafr. I'm just saying, from my own meta experience it's not something I'm concerned about.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:28 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:47 pm After about 30 seconds of thinking about it,

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:30 pm tutuu is town for that massive wall of text with incredibly convoluted reasoning about my alignment. Wolves don't put their mind so deep into the weeds for someone whose alignment they already know.
I'm gonna take this at face value and consider Alison town for it. It's hard for wolves to back down from an early game read they tunneled themselves in to. Not impossible, but hard.
Alison literally just identified this very thing as a scumtell of hers in a theory thread elsewhere on the forum.

Slander! I identified this very thing as a tactic I use as scum a lot to get people to townread me, but followed it up by saying that it works because it's something I do a lot as town!

nutella/MR, talk to me about the Scirrus entrance. What makes it any different from the other "roleplayish" entrances in this game?

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:58 pm I thought Alison went after tutuu purely for reactions. I might be wrong.

You are wrong.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

I have a really hard time believing that you genuinely think being unmotivated in D0 is a scumtell. Also this whole "I'm going to tunnel Amy for the rest of D1" stuff looks like dropping cover for not re-evaluating or doing much else.

I guess tutuu and I found each other again. Feeling good about her this game.

3/80

Scirrus and nutella are scummy, proto is town.

I am very tired and don't feel like talking much so if you want to engage me about any of these reads just tell me which ones stand out to you.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:53 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:52 am 3/80

Scirrus and nutella are scummy, proto is town.

I am very tired and don't feel like talking much so if you want to engage me about any of these reads just tell me which ones stand out to you.
Why Scirrus?

4/80

His entire catchup has felt bland and lacking in engagement to me. I'm not sure how to put this, but it's like he's giving the easy responses, without actually trying to really sort or push people.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:37 am I think if Colin's scum, I'd read his post about the scirrus Amy dichotomy as talking about two town.

which could easily be the world sure

nutella/Tim/Colin/x?

This seems extremely premature.

Scirrus wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:46 am Actually I don't mind the wagons on Amy/Nutella either tbh.

Maybe it would be more productive to build these two up?

[VOTE: AMY] aubergine

This really rubs me the wrong way. It feels like scum sitting back and egging on townies as they kill each other. I also dislike the framing of it as "productive" (as opposed to "likely to catch scum"). It's similar to call something an info exe - if it goes south, you can just claim it was for information and wash your hands of the blame.

[VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:30 am I mean, unless your goal is to hide behind those catch-up posts.

That is exactly what I think he is doing.

Benson and Amy are town.

nanook, timsup and WerewolfHunter are town. nook is doing exactly what he always does as town and his reads are good/in line from what I expect from town nook. timsup just has a bunch of good takes. I don't know how to verbalize my WerewolfHunter read. Call it a tone or gut read, but I'm confident in it.

ColonialBob is aggressively null, which means he's scum. It's like the issue I had with Scirrus' catch up, but stronger. It's like he's trying to say only unobjectionable things and he hedges a lot too.

I hate post caps, for the record. They cramp my style.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:00 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:49 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:37 am I think if Colin's scum, I'd read his post about the scirrus Amy dichotomy as talking about two town.

which could easily be the world sure

nutella/Tim/Colin/x?
This seems extremely premature.
Alison is lock town!j

???

Also I feel not as engaged in this game as I'd like. The posting format is really throwing off my preferred way of formatting my interactions. I think it's throwing off other people, too - WH, tutuu and Benson are all people who feel like they're struggling a bit with connecting with others. There's a lot of "isolated" posts in this game that don't fit into the thread flow and I suspect this is because people have to conserve posts for big cases/catchups and can't realtime as much which sucks. The people who feel most comfortable here (eg. iaafr) are the people who've been acting like the post cap doesn't exist.

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:51 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:42 pm I have added a solid read on the signature banner to my existing avatar read, and Long Con is LOCK TOWN.

Fight me.
No idea how you can lock LC as any alignment without TMI.

If we fight, lets us fight through the medium of words in rhymeform.

ROUND 1 - FIGHT

"Perhaps you have excellent meta for your read on LC, at present your read appears fruit from the poisonous tree
Respectfully I implore you to please justify, illuminate me with logic before paranoia may intensify
Thank you so much for your time and attention, you hopefully understand my mistrustful apprehension"

lock town

I'm unconvinced ColonialBob has actually solved anyone.

Tim, why is LC towncore?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:41 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:30 pm Tim, why is LC towncore?
Because he reads a whole lot more than he talks. If you look at his posts he makes references to things that show he not only has read the thread but he's either got top notch memory or he is keeping notes. If he were wolfing he wouldn't be just casual dropping occasional posts he'd be posting more in line with the amount that he is reading. I recognize the type and I believe if he has a couple days he'll provide value...and that he isn't a wolf. His style is just way off from yours or mine.

What are you reading this based off - meta on him, or something?

Hi Hally! A lot of people think your slot is scum, including me. How do you feel about that?

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:53 pm Hi Hally! A lot of people think your slot is scum, including me. How do you feel about that?
whaat, what did you do scirrus

it’s ok, i’m about to be so blindingly villagery that i will soon become unmislimable, so if any wolves are voting me you just got unlucky

I have faith in your ability to shine as obvtown if you are villager! That's why I'm happy you replaced into the slot, you can save it from an unjust execute if we are wrong about Scirrus.

Okay, just read through the Hally catchup. I don't see the shining town spark in her like I usually do when she's town. Hallyrus is probably just wolf. Sorry Hally.

Also nanook, agreeing with someone's reads doesn't mean you have to townread them. Like you can think it's TMI. Or you can agree with the reads but think the way they got there is made up.

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:38 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:34 pm Okay, just read through the Hally catchup. I don't see the shining town spark in her like I usually do when she's town. Hallyrus is probably just wolf. Sorry Hally.

Also nanook, agreeing with someone's reads doesn't mean you have to townread them. Like you can think it's TMI. Or you can agree with the reads but think the way they got there is made up.
nah, my slot is town. don’t write me off yet, i will sparkle soon enough!

(also part of the reason i may not be as sparkly town is because my town game relies on spewing thoughts constantly, which i can’t do with a post cap unfortunately. like normally i’d catchup live as much as possible but i don’t wanna get capped. nothing i can do about this though, but it has so far been a problem for me in light games so i’m just putting it out there)

Whatever your alignment, I empathize with this. I wrote about having the same feeling myself, being stifled by the post cap. I'll try to keep that in mind and avoid writing you off just because you can't stretch your wings as you normally are, but I do want to see some Hally-brand towniness to offset Scirrus' posts.

I'm surprised you haven't commented on nutella's posts about nanook yet - or have you not reached that point?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:42 pm @Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

This is NAI for nanook, in my experience with him. I think nanook is town here. His reads are both okay and in line with the sort of thing I expect him to make. Confident early game reads based on tone or stuff that's similar to tone like the Captain thing, aggressively trying to find lock town and form a towncore, not caring too much if he's scumread except to "how dare you" people who scumread him. It's fakeable as scum, but if someone has good reads and are also acting exactly like they do as town, I am inclined to townread them.

linki: Why isn't nutella/nanook W/W, Hally? What makes you think pointing out her own partner's tone as forced is outside of nutella's scum range?

Hally you've called a couple of things "not W/W" and:

1) Like you've pointed out it's a little too early in the game to be doing associatives like that.

2) I don't actually understand why they aren't W/W. Like it isn't obvious to me why the interactions you point out aren't within the scum range of the players involved to fake.

Can you please elaborate a bit more on those thoughts?

linki: Yes, that dynamic you're alluding to between MR, nanook and nutella. What is it about it that makes you think they can't be associated together? I don't get the sense that the scum ranges of any of those three players are particularly narrow, so it has to be something specific and strong that makes you think this.

double linki: Also what is with you being so quick to do associative stuff?

I'm so confused by these associatives. Why is nut always villager if MR is wolf? Do you think she never busses? Like please, justify your posts!

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:18 am
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:05 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:24 pm A'ight, I'm jumping ship here.

Don't like the great wall of Radishes mostly because it is a day one wall case. Also, can't say I have great confidence in Radishes intentions generally. In other words, Radishes you tend your end of this boat and I'll tend mine.

[VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

I do lean @Alison pretty strong town, and her sense on Scirrus seemed to support my own pretty well.
this post kinda confusing me. you don’t like radishes wallcase on sc and don’t trust him but you’re sheeping him anyway? or...? idgi
I was actually kinda annoyed at being on the name wagon with Radishes because there was a lot I didn't like about his casing and his overall play this game...but...

Alison and I had previously come to a kind of agreement against Scirrus of our own and that was my preferred landing spot when the Nutella wagon blew out from under me (kinda went through the same process you did, it just took longer because it was real time happening. Now I have the classic problem...you are doing great work and seem towny, plus being a potentially very valuable townie that might well crack the game...but Scirrus really butchered that slot IMO.

I've actually been looking for a place to move my vote and just pass your slot for the day, but haven't reached a conclusion yet on where to go.

To be honest I don't think anything Hally has done has redeemed the slot for me and I'm slightly confused why people find her so town. Which of her posts did you like?

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:07 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:55 am Hally you've called a couple of things "not W/W" and:

1) Like you've pointed out it's a little too early in the game to be doing associatives like that.

2) I don't actually understand why they aren't W/W. Like it isn't obvious to me why the interactions you point out aren't within the scum range of the players involved to fake.

Can you please elaborate a bit more on those thoughts?

linki: Yes, that dynamic you're alluding to between MR, nanook and nutella. What is it about it that makes you think they can't be associated together? I don't get the sense that the scum ranges of any of those three players are particularly narrow, so it has to be something specific and strong that makes you think this.

double linki: Also what is with you being so quick to do associative stuff?
idk sometimes i do associatives it’s not really new for me

so like, i think radish/nanook are possible w/w because nanook kinda sandwiched radishes into his tr’s early even though i don’t think radishes really belongs there. wolves tend to like to lump teammates in with villagers

nanook/nut not aligned because i dont see any reason why nut would push on nanook here as w/w. could she? like yea it’s not out of her wolf range but like... why would she when nanook is not under threat

radishes/nut not aligned because i don’t think w!radishes would defend w!nut like that when she was getting wagoned. it had an air of tmi to it, like he knew nut was a villager and wanted to keep his hands clean of anything having to do with the push/maybe even pocket nut

that’s the associatives i have in that group of three. obviously not set in stone but yea

These associatives require a lot of assumptions and I'm mostly inclined to think you made them up honestly. Like you have a set of assumptions about how mafia would play, like never bus D1, and I'm left with more questions than answers. Why is someone who townreads someone who doesn't deserve it wolves with them, and not wolf whiteknighting/TMI-ing a town, or just town with a weird read? Why can't wolves use D1 to distance knowing full well that their interactions will be referred to later down the road?

It's not even necessarily a question of "Hally is wrong", it's like you're concocting a narrative of the spot and trying to push it on us in lieu of doing actual investigative work, which is why I was kinda skeeved out by your random associative analysis that didn't seem to lead anywhere and felt extremely premature.

nutella: Just when you're trending up on my radar, I'm trending down on yours. :P

I have a problem with it because the logic doesn't make sense to me. The reasoning is unsound, the fact that you're making this reasoning at all seems questionable given that none of these players have flipped, and I'm really not sure how this helps you solve. I'm not seeing the shining town Hally at all.

linki: What game did I misread you in? Also don't sheep me because I'm good at reading Hally, sheep me because my logic makes sense.

Why is tim mafia?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:58 pm I heavily vibed with the bolded take on Alison's treatment of Hally's slot. It should be a good thing that Hally came in and towned it up to pull their slot up out of a tight spot. Alison looks like she doesn't want this to happen.

Except they didn't town it up. I'm still scumreading them, so is Benson, and I have seen nothing in their behavior that makes me want to wash away everything Scirrus did.

For some reason this game just make lose all motivation to play so I'm going to abandon the usual theatrics and quotes and just give it to you as simple as I can.

Scirrus was scummy. Hally replaced Scirrus. Hally was anemic at best and had really disagreeable thought processes at worst. I see no reason to shift that slot away from the D1 execute. I don't like how people were quick to give Hally a D1 pass because I don't think they have earned it. I actively suspect Hally and I am willing to push that slot past the finish line and take responsibility if it flips green ([mention]Timsup2nothin[/mention]). You can give me hell for it Day 2 if I am wrong.

[mention]Benson[/mention], please join me on this push. [mention]Dyslexicon[/mention], I am not sure how serious you are with the Hally lock scum comment, but if you really do think Hally is scum after your catchup, I encourage you to join me. [mention]tutuu[/mention], please sheep my read this once.

WerewolfHunter wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:24 pm 41

For me when someone new comes in to play, i try to reeevalue it as a whole and not focus on past reads

Their slot's alignment doesn't change just because they subbed out. And frankly, if Hally had been here from the start, I would still have them in my POE.

I don't think I'm confbiasing. I mean, the nature of confbias means you don't know if you're confbiased, but I think I'm okay at taking a step back and re-evaluating stuff and not getting too caught up in a tunnel. I re-evaluated on Michelle in Lion King, and I re-evaluated the exact same read on you that you say I got wrong in Jack Attack. I don't scumread you just because I disagree with your thoughts, I scumread you because of what your thoughts are. I'm sorry you came out of a bad mafia experience but that is NAI.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:44 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:39 pm I don't think I'm confbiasing. I mean, the nature of confbias means you don't know if you're confbiased, but I think I'm okay at taking a step back and re-evaluating stuff and not getting too caught up in a tunnel. I re-evaluated on Michelle in Lion King, and I re-evaluated the exact same read on you that you say I got wrong in Jack Attack. I don't scumread you just because I disagree with your thoughts, I scumread you because of what your thoughts are. I'm sorry you came out of a bad mafia experience but that is NAI.
what’s so bad about my thoughts? like actually. whats wolfy about my content so far?

I've explained this to you. I didn't like the way you were looking at associatives and trying to draw connections between players based on assumptions. I feel this is wrong, yes, but it's more than wrong - it's behavior that looks like scumhunting without actually being scumhunting. You are pulling out random interactions and saying "this can't be W/W" without even establishing that any of them is a wolf in the first place. It isn't helpful to figuring out who we should execute today or who we should have in the towncore. It's just spinning your wheels and is theatrics meant to make people impressed by how much you're reading into the thread or figuring out the game, without actually putting forward something that can help town.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:51 pm not waiting for dizzy to actually engage with the game and for me to give a solid read on him/him to give a solid read on me is extremely suboptimal ftr. we know each other better than anyone else in the game and you all would benefit from our perspectives on each other. i wanna be here when he gets into the game because i can actually read him and i’m pretty confident he will read me correctly too once he’s here for real

I guess this is a good point.

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