have you considered scumreading
not sure if you know about that method but it involves looking at someone's day play and trying to figure out if it's coming from scum or town. it's a pretty obscure tactic but it works well for me
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have you considered scumreading
okMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:16 amI don't even care. We have enough misyeets to kill her.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:15 ami legit think tutuu is probably going to flip town and then we'll all get upset at her for the claim and then we'll have to figure out how to check nook and LC again.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:12 am Imo the only version of this game that results in a town loss is one where we don't yeet tutuu today
oh yeah that's true. maybe odd is the one to go for then.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:17 amI mean I'm clear without your check, so.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:15 ami legit think tutuu is probably going to flip town and then we'll all get upset at her for the claim and then we'll have to figure out how to check nook and LC again.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:12 am Imo the only version of this game that results in a town loss is one where we don't yeet tutuu today
Unless you think I'm a masochist that intentionally outed samu so I could solo kek
i actually agree you're probably clear at this point so odd and LC are back in the poolNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:18 am There's actually like eight reasons I'm clear with or without your check, but I appreciate your concern
yeah idk why tutuu is not understanding that it was in really bad taste despite mac, nanook, myself, you and juliets all saying that it was a dick move at best and gamethrowing at worst.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:19 am very epic meme to collectively convince the majority of players in the game that they had already lost and should stop trying to read for well over 12 hours
townMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:28 am Alright everyone show's ever just tell us your alignment so we can go home
yesMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:23 am Alison does your result say the name of the player you target?
if I exe you it'll be on policy not emotion. I don't subscribe to schools of thought along the lines of "I don't want to lose to X" or "I'm fine losing if X is mafia". I just think that if someone seriously claims scum then we should take them seriously. And also, we can afford to cover the possibility since we have a lot of kills left.tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:18 am i feel like u guise want me dead purely for emotional reasons. u are afraid that you will look very foolish and embarassed if im 3p and i win
im not an arbiter of justice who gets to dictate ppl's emotions, i cant even control mine, so its fine if u guise act on ur emotions and yeet me
but at please be self-conscious that ur letting ur emotions take control! and that i am not objectively scummy or have high 3p equity!
an exe is a cop check, no?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:21 am I legit think we should just sleep and get more mech and make the mafia kill again. Maybe like indefinitely til Alison gets a red check lol.
the key word is "seriously". if you read the context of what I wrote I immediately wrote under that it was a joke and also included something in the thing that is obviously a joke. I didn't drag it on for 12 fucking hours and pretended that it was serious the whole time.tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:31 amAlison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:24 amif I exe you it'll be on policy not emotion. I don't subscribe to schools of thought along the lines of "I don't want to lose to X" or "I'm fine losing if X is mafia". I just think that if someone seriously claims scum then we should take them seriously. And also, we can afford to cover the possibility since we have a lot of kills left.tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:18 am i feel like u guise want me dead purely for emotional reasons. u are afraid that you will look very foolish and embarassed if im 3p and i win
im not an arbiter of justice who gets to dictate ppl's emotions, i cant even control mine, so its fine if u guise act on ur emotions and yeet me
but at please be self-conscious that ur letting ur emotions take control! and that i am not objectively scummy or have high 3p equity!Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:42 pm mac is probably telling the truth about his mafia nuke tbh. he never lies about stuff like that. I'm fairly sure we just lose the game at the end of tonight and your roleblocker ability is out of shots so do you want to just message sloonei and tell him we concede?please do me a favor and lynch yourself after me alison
do you understand what a policy vote is?tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:20 am Alison, instead of voting for me me on policy, have you considered scumreading?
not sure if you know about that method but it involves looking at someone's day play and trying to figure out if it's coming from scum or town. it's a pretty obscure tactic but it works well for me
like I said the chance of her being scum is around 5%. she's town in most worlds.
i don't buy itMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:30 am You know what.
N1 Juliets targeted Alison. Tutuu stopped the kill.
N3 Juliets targeted Radishes. He died.
N5 Juliets targeted Wilgy. He died.
I didn't vote her for making a joke. I made it clear from the start that I did not believe she was the 3P and gave several reasons why. I voted her as a deterrent from pulling stunts like that in the future and because she's not the kind of slot I want to allow to live to endgame after what she did. I already explained that I was voting her on policy, I explained what the policy is and I don't regret it even though she flipped town. She's said that she's going to intentionally refuse to change her behavior because she doesn't want to be "bullied" into... not claiming scum every game, I guess? And if she does that then I'll continue exeing her every game, or more likely just stop signing up for games that she's in. I don't expect people to play "optimally" or whatever but if you can't even clear the very low bar of "not claiming scum and yelling at people who vote you for claiming scum", then I'm not going to enjoy putting up with your stunts every game.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:49 pm Bomb threat rules can eat my ass. Tutuu was town and shouldn't have been yeeted for making a joke.
we already caught the fourth, we're looking for the fifthNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:01 am Ngl every time odd says “3rd” in reference to the third party (which totally makes sense!), I internally go “no we already caught the third, we’re looking for the fourth” and then remember this game has a shitty 3p in it
depends how hard they're throwing. I don't think tutuu was throwing to an extent whereby she'd actually lose us the game if we left her alive, and for that reason I did consider moving my vote off her once or twice. But as mentioned before, I think the EV of sending a message about what kind of behavior I want to see in my games outweighs the -EV of having an X% chance more to lose the game, where X is relatively small because we're doing quite well and we probably won't lose just by making a single misexe.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:20 am Normally I take the “don’t kill confirmed town even if they’re throwing” approach but
This one felt too satisfying not to
why should you saying that she is town affect my decision when it had nothing to do with her alignment and everything to do with her behaviorMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:48 am I don't want anyone to feel bad but I still think yeeting her when Juliets and I both were saying she was town was complacency and laziness from the town involved and any justifications you can come up with about bomb threats or making a statement are just sanctimonious and silly. Just say you weren't around at EOD to change and don't care about the misyeet and be honest with yourself.
what do you mean by "seen elsewhere" here?Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:16 amThey've all been seen elsewhere, cleared somehow or claiming different things. I'm looking for unvouched people as the thirdMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:12 amWhat is making other people not qualified in your mind? I'd like to help you find this "3p" you speak of but I don't have access to your mind lol.
this sounds to me alot like SPF is saying "yes, I made them say magpie, but I am town and my role has a positive effect, not a negative one"staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:18 am i have no idea why we would assume that a role that makes people say "good morning mr magpie" has to be 3rd party. that sounds stupid and overly speculative toward mechanics
tutuu pointed out that a lot of the mysteries surrounding night actions clear up quite a bit if we assume the existence of a mafia redirector
to be fair that sounds like a poorly balanced roleMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:29 am I remember losing to a non killing townsiding 3p once after towning super hard and killing all the mafia. It sucked.
outed that there was a mafia role cop with the song nude d2NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:09 am Is there a mech reason to actually clear poison?
there have been no other protectives or roleblocks that were claimed n1 so for me to be mafia I'd have to hard bus my own team d1/2, intentionally nokill n1 after losing nutella, and then randomly claim cop and start handing out green checks on townies (since if I am the last mafia then all the people I green checked are in fact actual townies).NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:35 amI mean it’s technically possible if she plays the “there’s a godfather” card maybe, idk
But it’s not a play you expect to win the game I’d say?
Regardless yeah we’ve got radishes and tutu both having said they protected her N1 so I’d guess she’s probably just town
the simplest explanation is that he kept thinking of tutuu as a jailkeeper, which would mean he forgot she stops roleblocks. he was trying to stop me from firing my check off in that case, which would indicate against mafia redirectorNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:57 am So samu targeted alison N4
The only targeting role he had was an inherited roleblock
But it was known beforehand that Jules and tutu were protecting alison
So why the fuck does he target alison? Was he forced into it...?
If it makes you feel better I was planning to do head game stuff where I intentionally townread people I red checked/scumread people I green checked to throw mafia off the scent, but then I saw that mafia was getting destroyed and we had mech semi-auto so I said "ok" and claimed.
Yeah it was never optimal to do that unfortunately.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:05 amI loved when you asked if you could self-target. I had never even thought of that as a strategy, but I was like hell yeah.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:32 amIf it makes you feel better I was planning to do head game stuff where I intentionally townread people I red checked/scumread people I green checked to throw mafia off the scent, but then I saw that mafia was getting destroyed and we had mech semi-auto so I said "ok" and claimed.