The Syndicate

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hi everyone!!!!

112's interactions with Hally on page 1 felt villagery

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:52 am After 69 town games in a row i finally got my scum rand ...

Wish me luck guys. I hope i can perform well

My first thought is that it actually feels stressful to claim wolf when im ACTUALLY a wolf, it would have been funny to do as town, but as an actual mafia now ... I dont rly like it, so i probably wont be doing it after this post

can't wait for D1 so I can vote this

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:00 am
Arete wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:56 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:52 am After 69 town games in a row i finally got my scum rand ...

Wish me luck guys. I hope i can perform well

My first thought is that it actually feels stressful to claim wolf when im ACTUALLY a wolf, it would have been funny to do as town, but as an actual mafia now ... I dont rly like it, so i probably wont be doing it after this post
can't wait for D1 so I can vote this
No no dont vote me i was purposefully beng scummy cuz i am a strong town power role and i wanted to lay low cuz usually im obv town every game

oh okay, no wolf has ever claimed they were purposefully being scummy so I guess you're locktown now

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:06 am
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:57 pm smh me for actually posting a solvy thought this early in a game

we can go back to meming and then revisit what i said in like 12 hrs
why couldn't we have a meme day 0 instead of day 0 ?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:21 am I have a question. Is it normal for people on this site to claim mafia as town? I’m playing my first game here.

On principle, I scumread Hally, ted and tutuu already, because they all claimed mafia and I don’t like that.

Tutuu’s followup where she claims cop instead doesn’t make me feel better about her slot; instead, it makes me think she’s mafia, who thinks that these claims are Funny and Towny. They are not.

Hally’s post that they were being scummy on purpose reads like a mafia excuse. I do not buy it it. This is still a mafia read.

Light townread on Ash Lael for his take on NANOOK. I think it was a good take, and I like the way it was phrased. Concise, to the point, no unnecessary flair, no hedging or doubt.

Post #137 by Hally contains some useful information if Hally’s mafia. Namely, it spews Michelle town in that world. I don’t like either of the takes on Michelle even without my scumread on Hally; they feel quite forced, and the first one comes across as written in bad faith. “Oh, I was totally being scummy on purpose and they ignored it, so they are mafia for ignoring my scummy self.”

The fact it is prefaced by “at the risk of jumping the gun” is also the type of hedge I read as mafia indicative. It preemptively establishes that “the person writing the post can be wrong, and that you should consider that if you kill Michelle and she flips town.”

I also don’t like Hally’s later townread on Michelle, because it feels forced. I don’t mind the progression change nearly as much as I do mind the reasoning behind the read. “She made a read on me involving me posting a spoiler, which is towny, so I will read you town now.” It doesn’t sound genuine to me.

You could disregard my mafia reads if it is common to claim mafia here, but I think tutuu and Hally have both crossed into “mafia even outside of their mafia claims” territory.

Ash Lael is legitimately my only townread so far and even that one is light. In fact, while writing this post, I think I should shift him back to null, because my reason for townreading him is rather thin to begin with.

Arete still has not posted anything outside of their mafia range. Unsurprisingly, since they have barely posted substantial stuff.

Off-Topic: Looks like Hally is in the same club of mafia where Arete belongs as well. “People who were in Champs but still call themselves bad at mafia for some reason.” You guys are good, and I’m going to treat you with respect of your play within the game. Which means, no easy clears. Have fun, Hally, the one who did not want to feel pressured

...Vul I have eight words I want to say in response to this post and the only thing keeping me from saying them is that I'm not sure if they'll still apply off-site

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:07 am I think you can read vulgard by effort/level of caring

That’s what my one game sample size says anyways so I’m going with it

this isn't how you read Vulgard, he tries hard and cares a lot regardless of his alignment

Spoiler: show

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:37 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:36 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:21 am I have a question. Is it normal for people on this site to claim mafia as town? I’m playing my first game here.

On principle, I scumread Hally, ted and tutuu already, because they all claimed mafia and I don’t like that.

Tutuu’s followup where she claims cop instead doesn’t make me feel better about her slot; instead, it makes me think she’s mafia, who thinks that these claims are Funny and Towny. They are not.

Hally’s post that they were being scummy on purpose reads like a mafia excuse. I do not buy it it. This is still a mafia read.

Light townread on Ash Lael for his take on NANOOK. I think it was a good take, and I like the way it was phrased. Concise, to the point, no unnecessary flair, no hedging or doubt.

Post #137 by Hally contains some useful information if Hally’s mafia. Namely, it spews Michelle town in that world. I don’t like either of the takes on Michelle even without my scumread on Hally; they feel quite forced, and the first one comes across as written in bad faith. “Oh, I was totally being scummy on purpose and they ignored it, so they are mafia for ignoring my scummy self.”

The fact it is prefaced by “at the risk of jumping the gun” is also the type of hedge I read as mafia indicative. It preemptively establishes that “the person writing the post can be wrong, and that you should consider that if you kill Michelle and she flips town.”

I also don’t like Hally’s later townread on Michelle, because it feels forced. I don’t mind the progression change nearly as much as I do mind the reasoning behind the read. “She made a read on me involving me posting a spoiler, which is towny, so I will read you town now.” It doesn’t sound genuine to me.

You could disregard my mafia reads if it is common to claim mafia here, but I think tutuu and Hally have both crossed into “mafia even outside of their mafia claims” territory.

Ash Lael is legitimately my only townread so far and even that one is light. In fact, while writing this post, I think I should shift him back to null, because my reason for townreading him is rather thin to begin with.

Arete still has not posted anything outside of their mafia range. Unsurprisingly, since they have barely posted substantial stuff.

Off-Topic: Looks like Hally is in the same club of mafia where Arete belongs as well. “People who were in Champs but still call themselves bad at mafia for some reason.” You guys are good, and I’m going to treat you with respect of your play within the game. Which means, no easy clears. Have fun, Hally, the one who did not want to feel pressured
...Vul I have eight words I want to say in response to this post and the only thing keeping me from saying them is that I'm not sure if they'll still apply off-site
omg its arete hi arete

please say the things! all the things

the things

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:23 am That said, I don't think I should be a town leader and I generally avoid the role. I have miskilled too many townies while being in that role, and since I don't like the guilt of killing a fellow town member, doing it repeatedly and leading town into its demise isn't something I want to do as town.

Vul I have a question for you

did you intentionally alter your speech patterns for this game (or prior to this game, I guess, it's been a while since we've actually played together)

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:32 am Tutuu keeps saying that she loves everyone so that they won't have it in their heart to scumread her and vote her. Change my mind.

ok this post might have been written by a villager

Spoiler: show

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:57 pm @Arete is vul actually that good as scum that you think what he’s posted so far is in his scum range?

he is capable of 'writing posts that are supported by solid reasoning' as scum

if you're looking for tells beyond just 'tHiS pOsT wAs NoT wRiTtEn By A vIlLaGeR' his thoughts are notably better as town, in the sense of having substantially more depth?

everything or almost everything he's posted as far as I've read to is something he could post as scum but I'm still catching up

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:03 am Every time somebody openwolfs, I put them a tier lower on my internal readlist.

this makes two

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:16 am To ted: probably. I think I alluded to it in an earlier post.

Vul we both know that writing long posts doesn't make you automatically town

I'm at the top of page 12 and basically everything Hally has done all game so far seems incredibly townie

however that was also true in the finale and they were scum there, so they don't get to be clear yet

112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:19 am on page 8, going to take a break and catch up later

could vulgard be any more obviously scum?

112 is probably town for how they expressed this take + their general willingness to go against one of the most widely TR'd players as if it were self-evident

this read is definitely not a product of my own doubts about Vul

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:56 pm So.

The first few posts in 112's iso are mostly shitposts, nothing to see here. There is some shade thrown Ted's way by calling him mafia, and there's suspicion on Hally's tone, but unexplained.

When 112 returns to the thread, she immediately jumps the gun and comes in guns blazing with two scumreads -- on me, and on Poison. The one on me is explained by "stilted tone" and "repeating his cases" to "mimic progression." From my perspective, I... don't really understand it. I can't even call it outlandish, I just don't understand it and can't really respond to it. I've experienced that before while being scumread by mafia. This is a very similar feeling, and it's the reason I began to suspect 112 after she had returned to the thread.

112's read on Poison baffles me for many of the same reasons. It says that there are multiple elements in Poison's post about me, lists them all, then says there is nothing there... so IS THERE something, or is there nothing? And then there is a sudden complaint about tone, because "some of Poison's posts seem exaggerated." ...But tutuu is doing a similar thing, for example. And for some reason, that didn't seem to ring any alarm bells, did it?

#663. This one's actually correct, but I'm town and I'm doing this as town. I'd like to have actual backup and evidence for my reads this time around, thank you. And since my memory is very, very poor, posting like this helps me just like it (hopefully) helps some other people.

#665. Another post I don't understand. "Forced image of originality?" What... How did you get there? Why do you think so? Yet again, I'm stumped and I can't really respond. This is so far removed from what I could envision as a viable reason for scumreading me that it makes me believe it's false.

The next few posts are relatively "small" and attract much less attention. That said, I dislike these two posts in particular.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:12 pm I don't know what to think of Ash. On the surface I think he's very towny, but I don't like how he gave me such an easy town lock. It feels like a TMI read.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:14 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:12 pm im not immediately finding dunya town which saddnends me, townreading her was one of the highlights of this game that i was looking forward to

reasons for why could i not be townreading her but she could still be town:

1) its been a while since we played. a few months. maybe im not remembering stuff properly
2) she could be tired cuz its late and maybe she had a long day at work
3) im biased cuz i already have so much townreads and im hesitant to make more. but i dont think thats true. but it could be
I'm reading dunya's posts with a magnifying glass. I think there could be something there.
I think these two posts read like "mafia trying to look productive." Once again, I don't understand what 112's doing here, or where she's coming from. The read on Ash is pure hedge. "Very towny on the surface, but has potential TMI on me." These feel like two things which should never go together in a read on someone, if that makes sense. 112 picked two extremes here and seemingly called it a day. "Throwing it out there."

And the post about dunya is just "nothing," as 112 called Poison's post earlier. Why even write this post? I don't see a good reason why town would write this post, not even spontaneity, but mafia would write this post to look productive. It isn't written in a relaxed way, either, and that is something which would make this post look townier. 112 is the one with a very stilted tone, in my opinion. Which is ironic, considering what she accused me of. Remember? Stilted tone. Oh, and repeating my cases all the time. Which I'm not doing in this post, and which I haven't done in half my posts at least.

Finally, #803 is very cheap and not original, but that's less relevant in comparison to what I've already written.

Overall, I think 112's push on me is in bad faith, and perhaps the one on Poison as well. I don't understand half of the arguments 112 has used in both. Her contributions to the game outside of these two scumreads can be boiled down to "a few posts which look designed to seem mildly productive" and "fluffposting/shitposting early, with shade thrown Hally's way that never developed into anything beyond." Overall, this looks actively scummy, and I actually have confidence in this read unlike my earlier proddings.

That's all.

Spoiler: show

112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:52 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:50 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:23 am That said, I don't think I should be a town leader and I generally avoid the role. I have miskilled too many townies while being in that role, and since I don't like the guilt of killing a fellow town member, doing it repeatedly and leading town into its demise isn't something I want to do as town.
Vul I have a question for you

did you intentionally alter your speech patterns for this game (or prior to this game, I guess, it's been a while since we've actually played together)
so it's not how he actually writes

if you're referring to the thing where his posts read like he ate a thesaurus for breakfast then no, that's not normally how he writes

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:02 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:00 pm
112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:19 am on page 8, going to take a break and catch up later

could vulgard be any more obviously scum?
112 is probably town for how they expressed this take + their general willingness to go against one of the most widely TR'd players as if it were self-evident

this read is definitely not a product of my own doubts about Vul
what are your doubts about vul?

when Vul is a villager, he's usually a shining beacon of towniness such that I can basically just open his posts and start scrolling them like 'this post was written by a villager, this post was written by a villager, this post was written by a villager...' and I can't really do that here

also his posts are excessively formal in a way that's not consistent with how he normally writes, which makes me think they might be fabricated and he's trying to make them sound more ?legitimate? or something. not weighting this one nearly as much as the 'his posts were not written by a villager' thing because I know English isn't his first language, and also he's an English major, which could maybe explain it

feeling pretty good about:

112
Nanook
Ash

Hally*

feeling actively bad about:

Vul
maybe Long Con? their scumclaim post felt kind of like they were claiming scum to fit in with the other scumclaimers

*the fact that I am feeling good about them is uncorrelated with their actual alignment

/vote Vulgard

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:04 am Nanook, I actually agree. That has been the pattern before. I honestly wouldn't blame you if you misyeeted me for that reason.
I just... don't want TownRete to feel bad? And I would also like to kill a mafia day 1, but that's another thing and everyone would say that.

...fuck are you actually a villager

[mention]Vulgard[/mention]

can you ping me next time you're in the thread

we keep missing each other because of time zones + school and I think I'll have better luck finding a post that was Written By A Villager if we can talk in real time

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:34 am
Arete wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:33 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:02 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:00 pm
112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:19 am on page 8, going to take a break and catch up later

could vulgard be any more obviously scum?
112 is probably town for how they expressed this take + their general willingness to go against one of the most widely TR'd players as if it were self-evident

this read is definitely not a product of my own doubts about Vul
what are your doubts about vul?
when Vul is a villager, he's usually a shining beacon of towniness such that I can basically just open his posts and start scrolling them like 'this post was written by a villager, this post was written by a villager, this post was written by a villager...' and I can't really do that here

also his posts are excessively formal in a way that's not consistent with how he normally writes, which makes me think they might be fabricated and he's trying to make them sound more ?legitimate? or something. not weighting this one nearly as much as the 'his posts were not written by a villager' thing because I know English isn't his first language, and also he's an English major, which could maybe explain it
interesting. i feel like he is a shining beacon of towniness and am curious why you think he’s not. do you have more specific issues with his posts?

it's like

when he's town, he's like a lighthouse, and when he's scum, he's like a lantern

and right now people are like 'he's a bright light, so he must be town'

but he's a brighter light as town

this metaphor is probably really dumb

with regards to his specific posts, his posts feel relatively "shallow" compared to the reads he normally makes as town, and there's also the fact that his posts sound like the sort of essays I write for class when I haven't actually read the book and want to sound smart (they do not normally sound like that)

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:35 am
Arete wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:41 pm feeling pretty good about:

112
Nanook
Ash

Hally*

feeling actively bad about:

Vul
maybe Long Con? their scumclaim post felt kind of like they were claiming scum to fit in with the other scumclaimers

*the fact that I am feeling good about them is uncorrelated with their actual alignment
lol @ my disclaimer

can you talk about 112 and ash more? what do you like about them?

112's early pressure on you gave me generally good vibes and I liked the thing where they reentered the thread and started heavily scrutinizing Vulgard, I think given Vul's position in the thread scum wouldn't be interested in tunnelling him regardless of his alignment and I liked the angle 112 took when talking about how he was repeating his reads a lot, it felt like an angle that scum wouldn't be likely to think of

for Ash I remember thinking a bunch of his thoughts felt legitimate but I don't actually remember why off the top of my head

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:41 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:38 am spicy take: poison is wolfing
Spicy take: you should probably explain your reads, especially if they are considered controversial in the threadstate.

Spoiler: show

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:13 am You'd have a field day with a particular player on our home site. They FPS at least 20 times a day, make fake reads and pushes, and fluff in combination with real (or fake) reads.
All of the above both as town and mafia.

Anyway. I think I understand why dunya's mafia game is regarded as very strong. She strikes me as the type of player who can be a force to be reckoned with.

uhhhhhhh

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:31 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:27 am
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:24 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:15 am How good is LC's scumgame?
pretty good. we caught him last game almost immediately but hes had lots of success as scum typically. i lean town on him atm
Then I'm not going to clear him until further notice. I also lean town, but I'm not going any further than that.
Dumb question; do the role colors mean anything regarding player strength? I'm accustomed to the differently-colored players on a forum generally being quite experienced.
no they have nothing to do with player strength. they denote different groups

green like you and me is just a regular user

blue is a game facilitator/mod

cyan is the community team, which is kinda a mod

dark teal is admin

bright red is graphics team (though i believe its just lc)

every other color just means that the person is currently hosting some kind of game

I feel like I should note here that colors on our homesite don't denote player strength either

otherwise I wouldn't have a color :wowee:

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:46 am Actually, come to think of it, this could just be veiled OMGUS. Michelle, when you get here, can you explain this in more detail, like Hally asked you to?

for what it's worth, I was informed in the finale that she does that as town too

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:58 am I feel like I talk about myself way more than necessary, sorry for that.

Can someone with Hally paranoia explain to me why Hally could be mafia? They are quickly approaching the town leader position and their reads/votes are openly being sheeped now with nearly no hesitation, so I'd like to address these concerns with Hally scumreaders before we allow Hally to run amok.

in the finale I read their posts on D1 and I was like 'this is incredibly townie, Hally is just town'

in fact, Hally was not a member of the town

this makes me think that 'Hally is super townie' is not indicative of Hally actually being town

given that you were expressing a similar sentiment I'm not sure why you're confused?

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:53 am
Arete wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:33 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:02 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:00 pm
112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:19 am on page 8, going to take a break and catch up later

could vulgard be any more obviously scum?
112 is probably town for how they expressed this take + their general willingness to go against one of the most widely TR'd players as if it were self-evident

this read is definitely not a product of my own doubts about Vul
what are your doubts about vul?
when Vul is a villager, he's usually a shining beacon of towniness such that I can basically just open his posts and start scrolling them like 'this post was written by a villager, this post was written by a villager, this post was written by a villager...' and I can't really do that here

also his posts are excessively formal in a way that's not consistent with how he normally writes, which makes me think they might be fabricated and he's trying to make them sound more ?legitimate? or something. not weighting this one nearly as much as the 'his posts were not written by a villager' thing because I know English isn't his first language, and also he's an English major, which could maybe explain it
So, @Arete, I had asked Vulgard if he is a leader as town or not, he said he would not want to be one this game. What do you think he has done in regards of that so far and does he take the leading position as both town and scum?

I'd say that he tends to end up leader-ish on our homesite regardless of his alignment

although a lot of that is that he's better than most people on our homesite and I think that's less applicable here

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:14 am
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:49 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:53 pm
112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:18 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:09 pm
112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:08 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:49 am
tell me more
His tone is incredibly forced/stilted and he keeps repeating his cases in a way that makes me think he's trying to mimic a proper progression on people.
re: tone i think he just writes like that

i don’t understand what you mean by the bolded
By the bolded I mean that he keeps bringing things up that he's already said before, such as that he doesn't like the posters who claimed maf. It seems like he's trying to write every read he has out to such a detailed extent that nobody can question the work he's put in/the quality of his thoughts, but it just comes out looking like he's trying very hard to remember the reasons he's scumread peope--something that town don't have to do because they've already internalized their opinions.
this feels chainsaw-y.
how?
112 is going after Vulgard for his cases, particularly parts where it's claimed that he's repeated ideas that others have stated. But generally I think this is inaccurate. Vulgard seems to be in some ways the least conventional person in the game, he's playing it differently. Stilted, maybe. But not repetitive. Hypothesis then, there's a common case that Vulgard has picked up on that implicates a partner of 112. 112 seeks to discredit this general case by discrediting Vulgard.
Feels weak tbh but it's something. If like Tutuu is scum I think that'd be a strong association

this read feels weird to me

I'm pretty sure it's a misstatement of 112's case (like, 112's case revolved mostly around Vul repeating his own posts) and separately I feel like rushing to conclude it's a chainsaw is a bit of a stretch, like, what you're saying as far as I can tell is '112 is attacking Vul for making reads in a wolfy way, therefore she's chainsawing' but ... making reads based on how other people make their reads is a common and normal thing ...

like it feels weird to call something a chainsaw when you can't even say who the partner being defended is, just, 'someone he scumread'

Arete wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:26 pm someone he scumread

he = Vulgard

/vote TSP

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:44 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:43 pm/vote TSP
is this because of that read you didn’t like? or?

that + Ash's point on TMI kind of makes sense to me

and I don't really have a reason to townread them the way I do for some of the other people in this game

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:47 pm If you don’t wanna vote trip for some reason (??) I’d say probably 112 or wilgy are the places to go imo

Trip is rand for me right now

obviously I wouldn't be sad about them dying

currently thinking that Ash's level of extreme preflipping is more likely to come from town given his experience level, I think it points to him genuinely believing his read on TSP as opposed to being scum pushing a miselim on them

(technically this doesn't rule out W/W distancing but I think that's really unlikely to be what's going on)

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:08 am So it's not LC, not Nanook, not Vulgard. Not going to chop Dunya or Arete. Everyone else fair game?

why are you clearing LC?

I'm at the bottom of page 38 and feeling pretty good about Vul, 1861 and 1887 are both posts that were Written By A Villager

****if I die N1, I am not locking in my read on Vul (and normally I would be able to do this, and the fact that I can't is still a little concerning), just, I think he is probably town

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:46 am
Arete wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:23 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:56 pm So.

The first few posts in 112's iso are mostly shitposts, nothing to see here. There is some shade thrown Ted's way by calling him mafia, and there's suspicion on Hally's tone, but unexplained.

When 112 returns to the thread, she immediately jumps the gun and comes in guns blazing with two scumreads -- on me, and on Poison. The one on me is explained by "stilted tone" and "repeating his cases" to "mimic progression." From my perspective, I... don't really understand it. I can't even call it outlandish, I just don't understand it and can't really respond to it. I've experienced that before while being scumread by mafia. This is a very similar feeling, and it's the reason I began to suspect 112 after she had returned to the thread.

112's read on Poison baffles me for many of the same reasons. It says that there are multiple elements in Poison's post about me, lists them all, then says there is nothing there... so IS THERE something, or is there nothing? And then there is a sudden complaint about tone, because "some of Poison's posts seem exaggerated." ...But tutuu is doing a similar thing, for example. And for some reason, that didn't seem to ring any alarm bells, did it?

#663. This one's actually correct, but I'm town and I'm doing this as town. I'd like to have actual backup and evidence for my reads this time around, thank you. And since my memory is very, very poor, posting like this helps me just like it (hopefully) helps some other people.

#665. Another post I don't understand. "Forced image of originality?" What... How did you get there? Why do you think so? Yet again, I'm stumped and I can't really respond. This is so far removed from what I could envision as a viable reason for scumreading me that it makes me believe it's false.

The next few posts are relatively "small" and attract much less attention. That said, I dislike these two posts in particular.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:12 pm I don't know what to think of Ash. On the surface I think he's very towny, but I don't like how he gave me such an easy town lock. It feels like a TMI read.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:14 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:12 pm im not immediately finding dunya town which saddnends me, townreading her was one of the highlights of this game that i was looking forward to

reasons for why could i not be townreading her but she could still be town:

1) its been a while since we played. a few months. maybe im not remembering stuff properly
2) she could be tired cuz its late and maybe she had a long day at work
3) im biased cuz i already have so much townreads and im hesitant to make more. but i dont think thats true. but it could be
I'm reading dunya's posts with a magnifying glass. I think there could be something there.
I think these two posts read like "mafia trying to look productive." Once again, I don't understand what 112's doing here, or where she's coming from. The read on Ash is pure hedge. "Very towny on the surface, but has potential TMI on me." These feel like two things which should never go together in a read on someone, if that makes sense. 112 picked two extremes here and seemingly called it a day. "Throwing it out there."

And the post about dunya is just "nothing," as 112 called Poison's post earlier. Why even write this post? I don't see a good reason why town would write this post, not even spontaneity, but mafia would write this post to look productive. It isn't written in a relaxed way, either, and that is something which would make this post look townier. 112 is the one with a very stilted tone, in my opinion. Which is ironic, considering what she accused me of. Remember? Stilted tone. Oh, and repeating my cases all the time. Which I'm not doing in this post, and which I haven't done in half my posts at least.

Finally, #803 is very cheap and not original, but that's less relevant in comparison to what I've already written.

Overall, I think 112's push on me is in bad faith, and perhaps the one on Poison as well. I don't understand half of the arguments 112 has used in both. Her contributions to the game outside of these two scumreads can be boiled down to "a few posts which look designed to seem mildly productive" and "fluffposting/shitposting early, with shade thrown Hally's way that never developed into anything beyond." Overall, this looks actively scummy, and I actually have confidence in this read unlike my earlier proddings.

That's all.

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this post was not written by a villager

@Arete why not?

Vul writes his posts differently as town and as scum and the post I quoted was written the way he writes posts as scum (or more accurately, not written the way he writes them as town)

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:27 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:26 pm I'm at the bottom of page 38 and feeling pretty good about Vul, 1861 and 1887 are both posts that were Written By A Villager

****if I die N1, I am not locking in my read on Vul (and normally I would be able to do this, and the fact that I can't is still a little concerning), just, I think he is probably town
i think it’s highly unlikely you ever die n1 unless exactly vul is mafia so you should be good there

thanks for the update

yes but if Vul is exactly Mafia I think there are decent odds I die N1

and I really don't want a scenario where I die N1 and then wolf!Vul is like 'well Arete said I was town, so I am town'

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:13 pm it is sufficient at this point to say that if anything is objectively good it must be, in some sense, excellent or beautiful. Chopping Tony is not beautiful.

but I'm pushing it, which makes it excellent, does it not?

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dunya wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:24 pm tony's voters: Poison Chan, Vulgard, Ash Lael, Arete

dunya's voters: Long Con, Michelle, tedxtr, 112

i'd say scum between these 2. if i have to guess who's bad on tony, it would be poison/ash

why does there have to be scum on Tony?

sometimes I read a tutuu post and I'm like 'yeah this seems villagery' and other times I read a tutuu post and I'm like 'is this lolcatting but with words'

I'm kind of mrrr on people's reasons for townreading LC, some of their posts earlier were pinging me and I feel like people are like 'but they can't be Mafia because a lot of their posts have been useless and they would feel more pressure to make not useless posts as Mafia because meta' but I don't actually think that's a great reason, and also if they were just caught for being too solvy early then it wouldn't be that hard to change up their meta and add more useless posts

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:35 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:34 pm Idk I don’t see any good case on 112 and my experience with them as a wolf is not how she’s posting or has posted early on

I honestly don’t care who dies toDay so long as it’s not Vulgard or Poison
so why are you voting 3rd party when you know it's not gonna count?

I don't get what this post is saying

Arete wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:46 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:35 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:34 pm Idk I don’t see any good case on 112 and my experience with them as a wolf is not how she’s posting or has posted early on

I honestly don’t care who dies toDay so long as it’s not Vulgard or Poison
so why are you voting 3rd party when you know it's not gonna count?
I don't get what this post is saying

oh wait it's a joke about US politics

112 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:22 pm Tony and Michelle most obvious town 2020.

why is Tony obvious town

probably not going to be here for actual EoD for the record, I have an IRL commitment

checking in briefly, will probably have to dip again

the number of people familiar with TSP's meta saying things like 'WHY ARE YOU KILLING HIM HE'S ALWAYS LIKE THIS' is making me kind of nervous

also I obviously don't want a rand

but killing a 2-poster seems kind of mrrr

but I kind of think I might do it anyway

wowee

I moved my vote

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