The Syndicate

Hi. I'm Benson (aka Beluga Whale) and I hate losing.

I think some deity is sending me a message because I randed the character whose book I just happened to pick up the other day.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:09 pm this is my second of sixty posts for day 0

Good to see you again rabbit. How will you survive with this postcap? lol

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:15 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:15 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:09 pm this is my second of sixty posts for day 0

Good to see you again rabbit. How will you survive with this postcap? lol

good to see you as well benson.

i probably won't, but i appreciate the concern.

Same tbh.

Maybe I'll save my energy for a furious EoD each phase.

But like, we expect Day 0 to end pretty soon, right? Let's hope.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:18 pm anyway how are we feeling about the concept of property rights today?

That the wolves shouldn't be allowed to own any property in my thread.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:22 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:21 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:18 pm anyway how are we feeling about the concept of property rights today?

That the wolves shouldn't be allowed to own any property in my thread.

doesnt sound very principled idk mind writing a treatise on this?

Sure. But can you read latin?

Kaz needs to go back to the avatar that made him famous.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:37 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:30 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:29 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:26 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:21 pm didnt realize zack was a philosopher

i've always preferred the classics

anyways: hello and sorry and advance to those who don't know me. i help run mafia universe and i assure you it's not a position i attained through prowess at the game

there's like a 70% chance i'm legit just gonna fuck off until d1 glgl

As long as we have provided the answers Tony needs to advance the game to day one this seems like the legit best strat tbh.

how so? do you not believe in day 0 intros being readable?

They are on par with the early day one RVS and shiptoasting stage, which we will have plenty of time for day one.

I guess I was thinking more in terms of getting our answers in and moving on as opposed to stretching day zero looking for benefits...but you raise a valid point. If you want to stretch it out and have an extended meet and greet that can be fun and maybe productive. I'm in.

If anything, we will get that "shitposting" out of the way now and Day 1 will start with a more serious tone. But I see your point about wanting to move along. I don't think there would or will be any deliberate stretching it out.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:43 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:41 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:37 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:30 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:29 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:26 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:21 pm didnt realize zack was a philosopher

i've always preferred the classics

anyways: hello and sorry and advance to those who don't know me. i help run mafia universe and i assure you it's not a position i attained through prowess at the game

there's like a 70% chance i'm legit just gonna fuck off until d1 glgl

As long as we have provided the answers Tony needs to advance the game to day one this seems like the legit best strat tbh.

how so? do you not believe in day 0 intros being readable?

They are on par with the early day one RVS and shiptoasting stage, which we will have plenty of time for day one.

I guess I was thinking more in terms of getting our answers in and moving on as opposed to stretching day zero looking for benefits...but you raise a valid point. If you want to stretch it out and have an extended meet and greet that can be fun and maybe productive. I'm in.

If anything, we will get that "shitposting" out of the way now and Day 1 will start with a more serious tone. But I see your point about wanting to move along. I don't think there would or will be any deliberate stretching it out.

these two posts are pretty nerdy im getting a nerdlean on benson and tim

thank you kind sir

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:05 pm "Tunnel" is an interesting choice of words, given that I've made one post calling tutuu scum, one post explaining the read, and then another post explaining that the read is serious.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

Yes, but have you used the Socratic method on this read?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:06 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:58 pm i just reread the entire thread and wow im actually pretty scummy wonder how many people are scumreading me

actually i disagree? i thought u were kinda towny

why did u scumread yourself? i wanna argue your read on yourself

WAIT

OK, this might be wolfy.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:10 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:08 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:06 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:58 pm i just reread the entire thread and wow im actually pretty scummy wonder how many people are scumreading me

actually i disagree? i thought u were kinda towny

why did u scumread yourself? i wanna argue your read on yourself

WAIT

OK, this might be wolfy.

I'm interested. Why is it wolfy?

I don't know if wanting to disagree and saying he's been towny feels natural. Like what was even towny anyways? Idk, that's obviously not a compelling argument.
But it's always easier for wolves to just pop-in to express disagreement in places where they *know* they are correct. You know?

Tbh Alison might be trying to implement the teachings of Nietzsche's The Will to Powerwolf

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:17 pm 19/30

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:08 pm Now to decide if "esoteric reasoning" is short for "I want to defend my scum buddy" or "I know tutuu is town because I have TMI". It's probably the latter and calling us V/V is just a pocket attempt.

are u saying this to get the ball rolling or is this genuine town alison? cuz i know that u like being serious or at least u come off often like that, and admittedly i dont know u that well yet but im puzzled as to why u just "reveal ur cards" like that? like, if u wanted to do what u said in this post, why wouldnt u question iaafr so u can then decide based off of his answer? why are u telling him pre-emptively what are u planning to do?


i am also very puzzled at iaafr scumcasing his own post. i thought he's towny and its kinda funny how hard he tried to scumcase himself

and finally im puzzled at benson's post calling my post scummy. maybe im biased cuz i know im town but from my pov i was just being real, and i ended my post with a slight joke "i wanna argue your read on yourself" like i just tought it sounded cute

You'll learn quickly to not be puzzled by the things iaafr does

Tutu, why was iaafr towny before?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:32 pm I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

Normally, absolutely. But with iaafr I honestly don't know. He's rather unconventional, but I have only played with him once where he was town.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:33 pm 22/30

re: alison yes i understand that but i just thought it didnt make much sense to me to pre-emptively reveal your thoughts to someone you're trying to interrogate. id peronsally keep that to myself but i guess thats ujst me and i have no reason to believe this is scummy for u

re: benson i thought he was just free-flowy and trying to start conversations and stuff like that. he made the first post that broke the tone of the game from chit-chat to a serious post when he asked tims2upnothing about something that i forgot what was it but i remember thinking that i didnt think iaafr was interested the answer but he just asked to get the ball rolling at least thats the impressino i got but i didnt imemdiately say itt that i find it towny cuz i wasnt that confident but now i feel kinda cornered to say this?

edit linki (alisons's last post) i kinda agree that i also feel a bit sketched out. he could be town and that could just be humor but idk

I mean, you were confident enough to stop iaarf to tell him you disagreed and thought he was towny.
I won't push this point any further because it is very minor, but I personally don't think that felt like a genuine read.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:32 pm I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far

How much overlap is there between his townrange and his wolfrange?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:49 pm It's a little early to be making serious posts at me, and I would think that Rabbit would know better.

I will give this matter serious attention!

Eventually.

I think it was the post about d0 reads mattering/not mattering (which you already responded to).

Damn, tutu with some fire takes.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:56 pm 25/30

if ur saying my read is pushing it / outlandish, from my pov, its not any less outlandish / reachy than ur read on me

I wasn't criticizing the last read, no. I meant that as in it was an interesting take that I wouldn't expect, but would welcome, of course.
I think in an abstract sense I kind of agree with the rationale.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:59 am 29/30

tr on proto, i think he believes the stuff he believes. (u can call this sort of a meta read). if ur unsatisfied with this explanation u can ask me for further stuff to say

i have 2 choices for alison. 1) tr her for her enthusiasm to try to catch me scum or 2) scumread her if i put the bar a little higher and expect her to not make overly wrong reads on me. and i think her second post saying "town tutuu does X and scum tutuu does Y" was silly considering the game was like 30-40 posts in none of my friends had even posted by that point AND also the fact that she has never seen me play mafia so idk how could she say with confidence what would maf tutuu do. Despite her being wrong on both of these stuff gth i still wanna call her town. perhaps part of ot could be rock-paper-scissors fallacy (i just invented this fallacy). basically rock paper scissors is down to luck, but also not. so in this context i think that if alison rolled mafia against me this game and she saw that i was town, i think her approach wouldnt be to start by making an illogical push on me (this is the rock paper scissors). so she can b lean town

i also slightly wanna tr nanook primarily cuz he called me town and i liked it.

i read ur stuff about tim, amy, and respectfully i will disagree, ive never played with him b4 but i still think i saw a town posting town stuff, so

Reads:
tutuu
proto

tim
alison

nanook

rest

I wanted to question why you felt you absolutet needed to resolve Alison into a TR or SR, but the deliberation you go through in this post feels really towny.


On a different note: nute's flip flopping is nutty.

Kza is probably mafia and I can read him with precision.

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:39 am

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:48 am Kza is probably mafia and I can read him with precision.

Hmm, try reading me with accuracy next

Are you still up? Or just getting up?

Sleep is a valuable thing for villagers.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:42 am

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:48 am Kza is probably mafia and I can read him with precision.

You are town.
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It's time to save some posts in case I actually need to say something of substance later on.

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:52 am

I like to $#%#post with my morning coffee before work.

Understandable. Have a nice day.


Actually, I want to talk about proto's entrance because I'm surprised no one else is talking about that (unless I missed it). I'm talking specially about the self-conscious meta talk as the first thing they wrote.
Because on the surface it gives me super wolfy vibes, even if it was probably written by a villager *that just plays like that*. Anyone else put off by that or have a take on this?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:13 am

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:04 am Actually, I want to talk about proto's entrance because I'm surprised no one else is talking about that (unless I missed it). I'm talking specially about the self-conscious meta talk as the first thing they wrote.
Because on the surface it gives me super wolfy vibes, even if it was probably written by a villager *that just plays like that*. Anyone else put off by that or have a take on this?

I haven't started playing serious yet, but if I did it would be something I'd bring up too. Self-aware and some reads seem forced.

Scirrus' entrance also poor. Generic roleplay that attempts to disguise an uncomfortable thread entrance.

But I'm not playing serious yet, so I'll just have to wait to mention these thoughts until I am.

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Well, I think this can be true; but I think you have to look at the type of player first. Because a player that is frequently scum read for doing ostensibly wolfy things as a villager will probably become over self-conscious in general. Because they obviously are worried about getting miselimed.
And I gather that this is the case, or might be. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Stop trying to not be serious while being serious imo.

I bet rabbit has 300 tabs open with the posts he's gonna make as soon as he's permitted.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:05 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:57 am Guys I just realised our host needs to start his semifinal game in like four days.

Let's go for the sweep so he won't be distracted.

I played in a game that was hosted by a champs participant during their qualifying match. They did fine and directly advanced. I have every confidence that TSP can handle this.

Besides, for wolves even a sweep takes many days and you my dear root vegetable are far from a lock town at this point.

I like the insertion of that subtle assumption into the conversation though, even if I had to reject it. Points for effort.

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This post seems kinda serious compared to what it's responding to. Hmm.



Mafia philosophical question: is intuition or rationality more important to you when forming reads? Or is that a bad dichotomy.

God, I hope we get to the next phase and I can post tonight.

Hi Dyslexicon! And anyone else that I haven't said anything to.

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I hate slips but did WH slip?

WerewolfHunter wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:45 pm

WerewolfHunter wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:20 pm I didn't see a greeting post from you before that, are you sure you don't mean in the signup thread? lol

Yes, I'm pretty certain I did one

Maybe, I accidentally posted in wrong thread. Sorry about that. I was pretty certain that I had

Posted a greeting in the woofer chat instead and then thought you did that here as well?
How would you forget about that?

Idk, it's a reach for sure. Maybe the linki thing came up and she thought the post went through.

Ugh, I guess my next post may be my last for a while.

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Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:20 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:04 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:05 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:57 am Guys I just realised our host needs to start his semifinal game in like four days.

Let's go for the sweep so he won't be distracted.

I played in a game that was hosted by a champs participant during their qualifying match. They did fine and directly advanced. I have every confidence that TSP can handle this.

Besides, for wolves even a sweep takes many days and you my dear root vegetable are far from a lock town at this point.

I like the insertion of that subtle assumption into the conversation though, even if I had to reject it. Points for effort.

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This post seems kinda serious compared to what it's responding to. Hmm.



Mafia philosophical question: is intuition or rationality more important to you when forming reads? Or is that a bad dichotomy.

God, I hope we get to the next phase and I can post tonight.

It may be far less serious than it appears.

Or it may be highly nuanced. Perhaps...

It expresses support for and confidence in the host, possibly attempting to pocket him for reasons unknown.
It fires a warning shot across the bow for Master Radishes implying that his posts will be assessed with more than just a casual level of scrutiny.
It serves to warn other players that subtle assumptions made about innocuous posts can be used to influence their subsequent reads, and that a highly evolved wolf such as Master Radishes would be if he randed wolf may use such tactics.
It also serves as fair warning that if I had randed wolf I also am a wolf of that nature so should be handled carefully.
It produces the wifom that if I HAD randed wolf I would not want townies to start thinking on such subtle levels so I would have just let it pass, so it effectively town tells me.

Or it could have just been the setup line for a joke about common root vegetables and Master Radishes. I leave it to you to determine for yourself whether to treat me as a highly nuanced player looking five layers deep into every post made, or to treat me as a happy go lucky jokester giving a day zero exactly the minimal weight that it probably deserves.

Damn. I enjoyed my time trying to figure this post out :fry:
But I think you will be handled carefully, even if you are joking.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:34 pm I have decided to go back to just posting things that are funny since apparently no one cared about what I thought.

I care, Tim. I care.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:30 pm tutuu is town for that massive wall of text with incredibly convoluted reasoning about my alignment. Wolves don't put their mind so deep into the weeds for someone whose alignment they already know.

I'm gut reading proto town.

MR and tim have some W/W equity for a very "theater"-like interaction.

Benson seems like he's lonely and trying to reach out to people, which is town. Also Benson, my experience with proto has led me to feel absolutely no discomfort at his "self-conscious meta talk". I get why you feel suspicious about it - I had similar thoughts on iaafr. I'm just saying, from my own meta experience it's not something I'm concerned about.

Impressively accurate soul read on me, tbh.

I know I wasn't very clear, but I'm not actually suspicious of proto. I just thought their entrance was something people would consider "classically wolfy" (like MR did) on the surface, despite that not necessarily being the case. I know some players have reason to act overly self-conscious as town as well. I'm glad your meta on them supports that.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:11 pm Eh it's a reach because we don't have private threads like on MU, it's usually only on discord, so I don't think she'd confuse it. unless maybe replying to the host pm? More likely she's talking about the signup thread.

Ah gotcha. I didn't see anything in the signup thread that would makes sense as a greeting for the game, however.
I'm really sorry if this is getting angleshooty.



Some random reads before I have to leave:

Alison - Seems comfortable being in the driver's seat right now. I have no meta on her and she self-admittedly "likes to powerwolf", but her comfort level appears villagery. Her reads are good and the progression looks genuine at least.

Nutella - Kind of comes across like she's sheeping reads/ideas and then not following through or doing much about it. I know that's a harsh oversimplification but this is the abstraction I've made from reading her posts. Need more original takes.

Kza - Admittedly, I didn't notice the epicness of his "accuracy" joke earlier, haha. But seriously, I would think that he'd be posting more actual opinions or takes or anything if he's town here. If just seems like he doesn't know what to post or how to insert himself in any of the conversations.

Well this is it. Bye bye for now.

WerewolfHunter wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:00 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:12 pm Or yeah it could be the linki (post preview) thing came up and she didn't realize she had to resubmit. we've had new users get confused about that feature lol.

I could have sworn I posted once last night lol. I'm guessing that may have been it

Well my initial post was supposed to be hello, everyone! I'm excited to play with you.

OK, I believe you.

lol
I was just about to say I was concerned with Amy so far. Noticeable lack of engagement.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:24 pm amy sus sounds good to me

inb4 i'm called out for sheeping again

Well this time I'll allow it because I'm caught sheeping what you're sheeping hehe

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:22 pm Wooooooooo!!!!!!


Posting just because I can!!!!!!

Sorry.

<looks embarrassed>

Part of the reason I got in this game was to practice dealing with post caps, but I admit it is very challenging for me.

Yeah. I'm gonna need to make a really conscious effort next phase.

The worst part about post caps is that it limits how players naturally want to express themselves. And that makes it harder for certain villagers to be villagery and thus harder for me to read them.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:30 pm I'm not going to hard defend Amy, or anyone else at this point, but a scum case based on low motivation in a day zero is not making me jump for the torch and pitchfork either. I'll have a comprehensive reads post sometime about twenty real time hours into day one, but right now I have some first impressions at most.

I mean I have no real case on Amy. That's just an intuition read.

Send those impressions, imo.
The less well-thought-out the better.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:34 pm Benson your whale gif is super cool!

Good, because there will be more.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:39 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:33 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:30 pm I'm not going to hard defend Amy, or anyone else at this point, but a scum case based on low motivation in a day zero is not making me jump for the torch and pitchfork either. I'll have a comprehensive reads post sometime about twenty real time hours into day one, but right now I have some first impressions at most.

I mean I have no real case on Amy. That's just an intuition read.

Send those impressions, imo.
The less well-thought-out the better.

I got towny feelies for you, Tutuu, Alison, Rabbit, and Nutella...mostly null on the rest of the people who posted...I'm trying to decide if what I said about Radishes is true. That was a really "towny mindset" post if he got there unconsciously...and I don't really know Radishes well enough to claim it was in his wolf range to fake like I said.

Unless you're reading that post deeper than I am, I don't see why it wouldn't be that hard for him to fake as wolf. He's a good wolf and can definitely fake a mindset like that.
That said, he generally gives me a good feeling so far.

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:45 pm
Unless you're reading that post deeper than I am, I don't see why it wouldn't be that hard for him to fake as wolf. He's a good wolf and can definitely fake a mindset like that.
That said, he generally gives me a good feeling so far.

*would not wouldn't

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:49 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:45 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:39 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:33 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:30 pm I'm not going to hard defend Amy, or anyone else at this point, but a scum case based on low motivation in a day zero is not making me jump for the torch and pitchfork either. I'll have a comprehensive reads post sometime about twenty real time hours into day one, but right now I have some first impressions at most.

I mean I have no real case on Amy. That's just an intuition read.

Send those impressions, imo.
The less well-thought-out the better.

I got towny feelies for you, Tutuu, Alison, Rabbit, and Nutella...mostly null on the rest of the people who posted...I'm trying to decide if what I said about Radishes is true. That was a really "towny mindset" post if he got there unconsciously...and I don't really know Radishes well enough to claim it was in his wolf range to fake like I said.

Unless you're reading that post deeper than I am, I don't see why it wouldn't be that hard for him to fake as wolf. He's a good wolf and can definitely fake a mindset like that.
That said, he generally gives me a good feeling so far.

There's hardly anything that can't be faked, the question always really comes down to "is this a fake that would occur to this person?" That I can't really answer. I know it would occur to me, but I think like that all the time.

Sorry, my insinuation was more or less that yes, that fake could occur to him.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:56 pm Okay, so didn't overestimate the Master Radishes. Will keep in mind.

Feelies on Alison and Tutuu based on their initial clash being too attention grabby to be w/w, and Tutuu's reaction being too calm to be a wolf randomly tunneled by a villager friend.

Any thoughts here?

I think scum theater is in play, though unlikely. I agree with the latter assessment and overall I come out of D0 with a town lean on tutuu as well.

I thought Alison went after tutuu purely for reactions. I might be wrong.

The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit. The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are.

[VOTE: Amy ] aubergine


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Rabbit, did I move up just because I'm also SRing Amy? Or was it something else?

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:12 pm The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit. The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are.

[VOTE: Amy ] aubergine


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Rabbit, did I move up just because I'm also SRing Amy? Or was it something else?

You have to put [vote*] player [/vote*] without the asterisks.

Or you can go into the full editor and select the "vote" button to do it for you.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:18 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:21 pm clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest).

i mean, in my personal opinion this is a reach. i saw it as clarification for the sake of clarification, ive flatly clarified a bunch of stuff already this game i feel like (and reminder im town) altho maybe they werent flat and i just cant accurately recognize how i come off as but. mm. idk, like, ... nvm actually u do say it yourself that this point might be weakest

i like the person with the whale avatar. was it benson? i like alison's tr on him alot.

looks like im in the minority but i kind of dislike nutella? (in the sense of not townreading her obviously!). i think that shes hard to read, finding her as town in pyre mafia wasnt easy, a lot of ppl were scumreading her but i managed to do it. and in this game i feel like if she's town it's ... even harder to find her? and everyone townreading her is just making me paused. am i in the wrong here to perceive nutella this way, or am i not? that is the question

1/60

Legit lold at the whale avatar thing. Names are forgettable but beluga whales are forever.

I don't know if you saw, but I've been lightly sussing nute so far. I've towned with her once before and I feel like I found her pretty quickly because she projected well with how villagery her stream-of-conscious posting came across. The constraints of this game are certainly different but I'm not seeing those towny thoughts. Like she's mainly just agreed or disagreed with things that others are saying. But maybe it was D0 and she didn't care that much?

I think I'll force myself to break for the night so I don't waste too many posts before the round has really started.

Well my break was short lived.

I needed to return to tell you all that tutuu is now added to the town whale pod. The thought progression from post to post and within each post is just so villagery, even despite the weirdness of the more recent stuff.
Alison's application to the pod is pending.

I might be getting hard pocketed but let's ignore that for now.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:49 pm disregard everything i said. an AWP cant kill the mafia fast enough. iaafr and nutella are both mafia. give me 10 seconds and i will find the other 2

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AWP?

But iaafr and nutella being w/w is the spice I needed to marinate this D1. I have no opinion on the read itself but I like it.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:17 pm i really desire to play mafia and to get in the thick of things and u know accusations throwing around AtE OMGUS lamist wifom all of those flying over my head like a bar brawl and suddenly there's a gangster right who shoots up the bar with a tommy gun but instead of bullet it flies tunneling, fake claiming, tmi, all those good stuff

whats the hold up lets brawl already please. iaafr obv mafia. nutella obv mafia. tutuu town. proto town. alison town. tim town. beluga whale town. nanook town. radish town. amy town.

anyone who disagrees with me is confirmed member of the mafia

anyone who agrees with me and has a gun please use it to shoot someone in our poe which we all reached a consensus on based off of our town core

6/60

Lmao. Epic.

Not that I think any of this is wolfy, but your tone has changed SO much from the player at the beginning of the game. What happened? Was it just that you became more comfortable in the game and in your reads that now you want to push the areas you think are promising?

Regarding Amy's defense, I think it mostly doesn't change anything for me. I initially had a strong suspicious that it all felt wolfy and overly crafted and defensive, but I couldn't really justify that in words. So I don't have much else to say, other than rabbit's read sound plausible: unmotivated wolf lacked motivation to project town. I agree that Amy is probably the player that can easily fake whatever is needed to fake in the early game - and that's why I'm not pushing this much harder - but the motivation thing is a genuine tell. Like I'd 100% be less amped to be in the thread and post if I wasn't town right now. We'll see how the round unfolded. I do like the Amy is confident she'll project town before long.


Scirrus...I don't know what to say. I want to call the catch up posts wolfy but shouldn't because that probably stems from the fact that I don't particularly enjoy reading posts like that (when the quotes are sporadic, don't follow a central theme, and the responses aren't anything substantial. But I can't blame someone for not always being around to interact in real-time. Especially in this format.

Of the less prominent players, I do agree that LC looks towny. I like his entire attitude so far.
But the rest are pretty null. I've honestly forgotten the posts of players like Proto and Colin. Actually Colin did say something that pinged me, where he dismissed the Amy wagon and supported the nutella suspicions (I think). I'd want to know more about that.

Nanook I'm probably going to have trouble reading because of how he plays. I think and hope he'll do more elaborating on his reads today.

Dyslexicon popped in to say something. I said 'hi' and he didn't say hi back so he's basically confirmed mafia.

Kza, like I said, is struggling to get involved in the game. Or he really doesn't care, but I would expect more if he's town here. GIVE ME SOMETHING KAZ.

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nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:44 pm the strength of her insistence on the proto meta read is rubbing me the wrong way, maybe it's too easy to call it tmi but it does kinda remind me of how i sometimes whiteknight townies as scum

OMG, finally a towny take! (Not that I agree)


Tutuu, can you help us understand the meta read and what proto has done to fit that town meta?

4 wolves is what I'm assuming as well.

I have no read on rabbit admittedly. I have reasons to go in either direction but they aren't strong. I might try to ISO or something tonight.
One thing that bothered me specifically was him saying that he liked how I was staying on Amy and that it felt genuine. I can understand why you'd have reason to TR me and I don't know if that holds as one of them. Stuff like that kinda pings me as potentially non-genuine. Also starting to get paranoid pocket attempts are successfully being made (in general) but that's harder to substantiate.
Anyways, I'm on Amy and not Nutella right now for nebulous (or not) reasons. Nutella is worse by many measurements right now.

MR:
I'm town by post count...in a game where we're limited to 30 per 24 hours basically?

No. Are you trying to slander my wolf game indirectly? lol

The position to say you're vibing with nute is very interesting, to say the least. If you were going to go with a stance like that I'd hope you would at least be aware of what myself and others are SRing her for. And I don't think it's because of "vote sheeping".

Your PoE is also too easy for an MR PoE tbh

Maybe I need to go further into what the others are thinking but my position on nutella is this:
- Noticeable lack of original thoughts/ideas that are from a villagery mindset. I've seen basically one so far. I expect a lot more.
- Following/sheeping the reads of others. I suppose this isn't *that* bad, because a wolf nutella probably knows to be careful here anyways.
- She's not really pushing in any direction either other than the ones that have already been established. But I realize I'm getting a little redundant.

Eh, it's not the worst. But I'll wait until it gets better before I take her out of lynch contention. If she's town, she'll likely get there.

What do you think of the wagon dynamic between Amy v Nute. That's what I wanted to explore today. I like the way those have developed, as in there's information there. I don't know what info, but info nonetheless.