The Syndicate

I’ve never actually played a Mega Man game. Never heard anything bad about the franchise, it’s just one of those that I never got around to.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:04 am

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:21 am I’ve never actually played a Mega Man game. Never heard anything bad about the franchise, it’s just one of those that I never got around to.

Hi Bullzeye! I haven't played with you before either. Tell me something about yourself.

Hi! Yeah this is my first game since September 2016 so it's been a while since I played at all, unsurprisingly there's a fair few people I've not played with before in this game. I don't believe anyone ever truly quits mafia though, and I'd been having the urge to come back for a while. I never really know what to say when people ask me to tell them something about myself!

I would like to be recruited by whoever is going to win. Thanks.

Wow this thread got busy quick. That'll teach me to go to bed on time and then spend most of the day outside.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:20 pm holy shit bullzeye is here

Holy shit, where?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:54 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:52 am So, what are we dealing with here? Closed setup, and we don't even know which roles are on the bad team.

So, what is the method of catching someone on Day 1? Ask questions and hope someone slips up?

Create a whirlwind of a thread by facilitating maximal activity. Ask questions, make comments, and hurl accusations at every opportunity. The thread needs to be a pressured and even stressful environment.

I ain’t got no time fo’ dat today so y’all get busy.

Pressure and stress? Here I was thinking games are meant to be fun and enjoyable.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:17 am

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:15 am Very initial first impression of the thread: Jay feels off, don't know why though

Probably trying to avoid the obvious conclusion that he was recruited.

Why is it obvious Jay would be recruited? The sign-up thread mentions that the baddies recruit roles, not players.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:47 am How many bad robots do we think there are?

Somewhere between 1 and 24.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:50 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:17 pm It was a nice quiet Day 0. Nothing happened.

Jay said this, which can mean one of two things:
Something happened to him on Day 0
OR
Nothing happened to him on Day 0.

OR
Something happened to someone else on Day 0.

I wish something had happened to me on Day 0...

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:23 am Hi everyone, we’re here to have a fun time and be friendly to eachother, right?! Let’s do our best to have a beautiful day

My day is already ruined... I failed to catch a Mewtwo during the Pokemon Go community day, which is the one day of the month my town has enough people playing at the same time to make legendary raids viable.

K-Ness wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:50 am I'll resist the urge to get into the technical definition of reploid (pings me a bit that it was used, but it's probably just an honest mistake).

Assume it wasn't an honest mistake and elaborate, please. I'm intrigued.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:03 am

K-Ness wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:50 am I'll resist the urge to get into the technical definition of reploid (pings me a bit that it was used, but it's probably just an honest mistake).

do you mean ping in a legitimate sense or like in a pet peeve sense

reploids and mavericks seem like convenient words for defining good and bad robots in this game since the original games don't have any real provided terminology or plot (as far as I know?) and the definition at least loosely applies since reploids are defined by their free will and mavericks are defined by being robo-jerks

From what I've now played of the original games so far they don't seem to have much of anything other than difficulty. Beginning to understand where the phrase "Nintendo Hard" comes from.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:30 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:47 am How many bad robots do we think there are?

Good way of look at whether people read the rules or not.

This isn't a closed setup, dude. It's an open setup with most details hidden.

I was beginning to think I was the only person who had done this!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:36 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:58 am Light doesn't recruit. Just Wiley. The reason I know this is that I didn't get notified Wiley recruited me. The reason you don't know this...

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

"Thomas Light receives the remaining Robot Masters as civilian Robot Masters. The civilians win by eliminating Dr. Wily and his Robot Masters."

Read the freaking rules, dude.

And yes, I know I said recruited instead of received. Don't care.

I think LC has a solid point there. I also think Speedchuck does.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:30 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

I had thought about this as well but wasn't sure if it was worth bringing up. LC (in my opinion) is generally a smart player who wouldn't need to ask those kinds of questions. I've been bad with him once before in the Monty Python game where he basically carried our team to victory even after we lost two members super early and I got outed halfway through the game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:31 pm [mention]Bullzeye[/mention]'s big catch-up post just now establishes his presence in this game, but it doesn't offer much in terms of content. Do you have any reads or thoughts about any specific players in the game yet, Bullzeye?
welcome back

I take time to establish myself in games and one of the ways I try to get a good grip on everything is to just say unimportant stuff to get myself out there and work my way into conversations. As mentioned, I think the point about LC holds some weight. I would like to revisit some of the discussion around the recruitment mechanic from this morning, that could be interesting. Given that most players were neither baddies nor civs for the first 24 hours, people couldn't immediately start plotting and planting ideas to return to later like in normal games so I think this will force people to play differently. I have a point here but I'm struggling to find the words so I'll try to come back to it later.

I keep getting stuck in linki but I'm posting this anyway.

Also, Sloonei, to your question of if I have thoughts about specific players. I didn't mention it explicitly when I quoted this post:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:17 am

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:15 am Very initial first impression of the thread: Jay feels off, don't know why though

Probably trying to avoid the obvious conclusion that he was recruited.

But I found it a bit shifty. Something to keep an eye on.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:53 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:30 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

I had thought about this as well but wasn't sure if it was worth bringing up. LC (in my opinion) is generally a smart player who wouldn't need to ask those kinds of questions. I've been bad with him once before in the Monty Python game where he basically carried our team to victory even after we lost two members super early and I got outed halfway through the game.

Is this to say LC wouldn't need to, or even be able to, feign ignorance like this on Day 1 of a game if he's bad?

Yes. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

It's going to sound super lame but I think I'm really rusty after not playing for so long. My communication skills may not be 100% for the first couple of days until I get back into the swing of things.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:31 pm Bullzeye's big catch-up post just now establishes his presence in this game, but it doesn't offer much in terms of content. Do you have any reads or thoughts about any specific players in the game yet, Bullzeye?
welcome back

I take time to establish myself in games and one of the ways I try to get a good grip on everything is to just say unimportant stuff to get myself out there and work my way into conversations. As mentioned, I think the point about LC holds some weight. I would like to revisit some of the discussion around the recruitment mechanic from this morning, that could be interesting. Given that most players were neither baddies nor civs for the first 24 hours, people couldn't immediately start plotting and planting ideas to return to later like in normal games so I think this will force people to play differently. I have a point here but I'm struggling to find the words so I'll try to come back to it later.

I keep getting stuck in linki but I'm posting this anyway.

Any posts in particular that stand out to you? You're right about the Day 0 mechanic turning this into a bit of choppy start. We essentially played 24 hours where everyone was nothing. But I think things are happening now.

Things are definitely picking up! I plan to have a proper look back through the early day 1 stuff, am trying to currently but I keep wanting to respond to the current conversation instead!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:59 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:54 pm Also, Sloonei, to your question of if I have thoughts about specific players. I didn't mention it explicitly when I quoted this post:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:17 am

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:15 am Very initial first impression of the thread: Jay feels off, don't know why though

Probably trying to avoid the obvious conclusion that he was recruited.

But I found it a bit shifty. Something to keep an eye on.

Are you keeping an eye on Jack or Jay? Why?

Jack. Because it's an "obvious conclusion" Jay would be a recruit. Sure, if the baddies were choosing players rather than roles they might like to pick someone with the reputation of Jay but that's not the case. It seems to me like something a baddie might say to cast doubt on someone they wanted rid of without having to go all out. Does that make sense?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:02 pm No need to apologize if you feel you have rust to shake off, Bullzeye. That's going to be a natural feeling after such a long break. Also, don't let my interrogation do anything to discourage you! I just ask loads of questions and try to get things into the thread as thoroughly as possible for my own sake. you do you, I appreciate your input so far.

You're not discouraging, this is actually quite helpful

Comments showing ignorance of the recruitment mechanic are listed below. First, a particularly noteworthy post from the signup thread.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:03 pm For anybody wondering, the main mechanic is a recruitment: Most of the players will not begin as good or bad. Light and Wily will recruit roles. Wily will find out his mafia team of players gradually as they join BTSC. Light will not know his civilian team at all.

I remember it because it's what convinced me to sign up, recruitment being one of my favourite mechanics. I'll not bother quoting the opening post of the game that shows the main baddie picks four people to join his team during Day 0.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:39 am Is this actually recruitment mafia? Been a few mentions of it but I've read nothing in thread to suggest it.

The above comments make this question sound crazy.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:00 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:54 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:52 am So, what are we dealing with here? Closed setup, and we don't even know which roles are on the bad team.

So, what is the method of catching someone on Day 1? Ask questions and hope someone slips up?

Create a whirlwind of a thread by facilitating maximal activity. Ask questions, make comments, and hurl accusations at every opportunity. The thread needs to be a pressured and even stressful environment.

I ain’t got no time fo’ dat today so y’all get busy.

When do you think the decisions on recruitment were made?

Going back to the LC discussion I find this to be one of the stranger questions he asks, because everyone knows when the decisions were made. Maybe not to the minute, but we can narrow it down to a specific 24 hour period.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:47 am How many bad robots do we think there are?

Odd question considering it's pretty clearly four. Or five, if the recruiting bad guy is also a robot looking for robot friends. Either way, strange thing to ask.

I think there's merit to the idea of baddies feigning ignorance about the recruitment setup in order to appear innocent. Honestly, Quin's comment above strikes me as the most suspicious.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:41 pm Comments showing ignorance of the recruitment mechanic are listed below. First, a particularly noteworthy post from the signup thread.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:03 pm For anybody wondering, the main mechanic is a recruitment: Most of the players will not begin as good or bad. Light and Wily will recruit roles. Wily will find out his mafia team of players gradually as they join BTSC. Light will not know his civilian team at all.

I remember it because it's what convinced me to sign up, recruitment being one of my favourite mechanics. I'll not bother quoting the opening post of the game that shows the main baddie picks four people to join his team during Day 0.

By people I do of course mean roles. Roles that are assigned to people.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:27 pm “The sign-up thread mentions that the baddies recruit roles, not players.”

Is this for real a thing? Bull is also posting outdated rules like Light recruitment. Setup kinda unclear.

Am I? I don't remember talking about Light at all.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:45 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:27 pm “The sign-up thread mentions that the baddies recruit roles, not players.”

Is this for real a thing? Bull is also posting outdated rules like Light recruitment. Setup kinda unclear.

Am I? I don't remember talking about Light at all.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 18#p483918

Fair enough, I suppose Light recruiting is mentioned in the quote I posted. In context though it's not really relevant to the argument I was trying to make. Do you not think it's likely that any baddies would pretend not to understand the mechanics of the game as a means of trying to avoid suspicion?

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:47 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:41 pm Comments showing ignorance of the recruitment mechanic are listed below. First, a particularly noteworthy post from the signup thread.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:03 pm For anybody wondering, the main mechanic is a recruitment: Most of the players will not begin as good or bad. Light and Wily will recruit roles. Wily will find out his mafia team of players gradually as they join BTSC. Light will not know his civilian team at all.

I remember it because it's what convinced me to sign up, recruitment being one of my favourite mechanics. I'll not bother quoting the opening post of the game that shows the main baddie picks four people to join his team during Day 0.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:39 am Is this actually recruitment mafia? Been a few mentions of it but I've read nothing in thread to suggest it.

The above comments make this question sound crazy.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:00 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:54 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:52 am So, what are we dealing with here? Closed setup, and we don't even know which roles are on the bad team.

So, what is the method of catching someone on Day 1? Ask questions and hope someone slips up?

Create a whirlwind of a thread by facilitating maximal activity. Ask questions, make comments, and hurl accusations at every opportunity. The thread needs to be a pressured and even stressful environment.

I ain’t got no time fo’ dat today so y’all get busy.

When do you think the decisions on recruitment were made?

Going back to the LC discussion I find this to be one of the stranger questions he asks, because everyone knows when the decisions were made. Maybe not to the minute, but we can narrow it down to a specific 24 hour period.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:47 am How many bad robots do we think there are?

Odd question considering it's pretty clearly four. Or five, if the recruiting bad guy is also a robot looking for robot friends. Either way, strange thing to ask.

I think there's merit to the idea of baddies feigning ignorance about the recruitment setup in order to appear innocent. Honestly, Quin's comment above strikes me as the most suspicious.

Straight up didn't see it. Did a CTRL+F search for 'recruit' and everything. Put it down to classic Quin incompetence

This just sounds really fake. I'm actually going to put my vote on you, at least for now, because of how shady I think this sounds. I'm only just starting to catch up now though so maybe something else will change my mind over the next few pages.

*Votes Quin*

I don't know how to do the fancy new way people are announcing their votes. Sorry if it's mandatory now, wasn't done at all last time I played.

Well, that lynch wasn’t ideal. I’m out most of today and will be driving at night by myself for the first time ever later, if I survive the journey home from Wales I’ll try to contribute more.

I can’t believe we all managed to sleep through an entire day like that!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:48 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:43 am Which ping from Bullzeye are you calling forced ignorance?

The 1-24 player bit.

If it's cheekiness, that part is null-ish. But for someone saying "I read the rules" you'd thik he'd just say 4, like a reasonable person who read the roles.

I'll get you in a minute, Jack

I'm a very sarcastic person.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:22 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:18 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:11 pm I know he's low activity but I want reads on Bullzeye.

I think he said he was driving alone at night and that's literally the last thing I remember him saying, so like, I hope that story has a mundane ending

Given how often he's been active here without posting since then, I'd wager he's either okay or a very devoted ghost.

I'm not just a ghost. I'm a superhero ghost.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:34 pm I see nothing in Bullzeye's Day 1 behavior that makes him a desirable lynch candidate, but I also see nothing from him that can be qualified as Day 3 activity.

Rich coming from someone who was completely absent during day 2.

But seriously I'm reading through way back in the thread right now and will start to make something resembling real posts soon. This week has been busier than I thought it would be and games haven't been a priority.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:19 pm Analysis post part 1:
Bullzeye gives his reason for voting Quin. He dislikes Quin's questions, and even after Quin provides a valid response, Bullzeye responds with basically "I'm going to say your response looks fake because I'm so set on voting for you." Not the best look.

This is such a generic criticism that it could be applied to nearly every vote in nearly every game ever. The majority of votes happen because one person suspects another and that person's responses don't satisfy the accuser. What one person finds valid, another might not. I didn't find his explanation believable.

Just checking in before work, love how I’m being set up for an easy bandwagon by a bunch of people who know nothing about me. I also don’t see how it’s okay to point out someone is online and reading the thread when their activity is set to hidden. I often check from my phone and hate posting from it so tend not to, and specifically chose to not show as online so that people couldn’t act like that means anything.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:00 am

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:56 am Just checking in before work, love how I’m being set up for an easy bandwagon by a bunch of people who know nothing about me. I also don’t see how it’s okay to point out someone is online and reading the thread when their activity is set to hidden. I often check from my phone and hate posting from it so tend not to, and specifically chose to not show as online so that people couldn’t act like that means anything.

I agree that you should not be lynched. Do you have any recommendations for who that honor should go to instead?

I have a few ideas but I’m literally just about to leave for work so don’t have time to go into anything.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:07 am

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:56 am Just checking in before work, love how I’m being set up for an easy bandwagon by a bunch of people who know nothing about me. I also don’t see how it’s okay to point out someone is online and reading the thread when their activity is set to hidden. I often check from my phone and hate posting from it so tend not to, and specifically chose to not show as online so that people couldn’t act like that means anything.

Does not knowing you invalidate the suspicion? I admit I know nothing about you or your play style, but you do come across as suspicious to me. But more than that, I really want more content from you. What do you think of the votes on you? What's your take on Spoons? Who do you want to get lynched? All of it. When you have the time.

Your second post in the game was to vote for me and you seemed pretty confident in it at the time. The only real elaboration you gave is that I "write like scumz write". I don't remember if we've ever played a game together before (don't think so) but if we had you'd probably be able to tell that I just write like me. I don't really like being a civ because when I started playing I was either bad, eventually recruited, or an indy with btsc for my first 10 or so games. I learned to play as a baddie and by the time I got to be town for any significant length of time it was too late for me to learn to be anything but evil. I think like a baddie even when I'm not one. It's helpful in some ways, less so in others. Perhaps that's why you think I write like one but I feel like if you were a bit more familiar with me you'd probably think differently.

I'm not 100% on who Spoons is. I think maybe Sloonei based on context? I'm back and forth on him, I've had some bad vibes and some good ones. Could easily re-read and get a more solid opinion.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:24 am

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:04 am I have a few ideas but I’m literally just about to leave for work so don’t have time to go into anything.

Throw some names out as soon as you get the chance. I'm not anywhere close to being set in stone with my reads.

Keep going back and forth on Sloonei, even, and I don't know if it's the emotional/meta card or a genuine tone from him.

I've gone back to Day One and am having a look over the last couple of hours of that lynch to see if anything useful can come out of that ridiculous mess. I had intended to do this yesterday but was too tired. There's a couple of people I feel mildly good about but that could change in an instant, I definitely don't have anyone I strongly believe to be a civ. On the other end of that spectrum most of my thoughts are based on vibes, hence why I'm going back over a few things. I'm willing to share the following thoughts for now, with more detailed opinions coming soon (ish, I don't know how long it will take me to read everything I want to).

I still don't 100% buy Quin's explanation of his recruitment comments and some of his responses to suspicion weren't too convincing but I don't feel strongly enough about that to make it my hill to die on. If something else pops up I'd be willing to come back to him but I'm not going to relentlessly pursue anyone at this point.

I've been having bad vibes from Jack all game but it could just be a tone thing, sometimes his attitude comes off a bit shady.

A quiet DFaraday is never a good thing in my experience so I'd like to see more from him. He's quite good at scheming from the shadows as I remember.

Similarly I feel like we should have heard a lot more from Dom by now. I can't remember if he mentioned being busy or anything though. Not to say I think he's bad because of it, I don't, I just remember him usually being a lot more talkative and was surprised that it's not the case here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:55 am

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote:I think Bullzeye legitimately misunderstood Jack's post here. The "obvious conclusion" wasn't used in a way to say "obviously JJJ would be scum", but instead "obviously, if you think something is different or off about JJJ, the conclusion you're avoiding is that he's scum"

Thank you for this. I hadn't considered that possibility and nobody else brought it up. You could be correct.

speedchuck wrote:Oh now he knows how many robots there are. And also recognizes that feigning ignorance could be a mafia thing.
He's right about Quin's comment looking weird.

Realise that I always knew how many bad robots they were and that my saying there could be anything from 1-24 was a joke. I honestly thought it was obvious or I'd have used sarcastic orange.

speedchuck wrote:Did Jackofhearts2005 ever respond to this?

As far as I remember he didn't.

speedchuck wrote:

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:57 am I can’t believe we all managed to sleep through an entire day like that!

Do you actually have a problem with that comment? I'm beginning to think you want to lynch my sense of humour rather than just me. You may as well lynch both, I'm nothing without it.

speedchuck wrote:

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:34 pm I see nothing in Bullzeye's Day 1 behavior that makes him a desirable lynch candidate, but I also see nothing from him that can be qualified as Day 3 activity.

Rich coming from someone who was completely absent during day 2.

The heck is this?

Again, a joke.

speedchuck wrote: He's not wrong.

Makes a change.

speedchuck wrote:I've got time to look at other players today because I'm sick. We'll see what I find.

Feel better soon

I've responded to as much of this as I can but there's really not a lot to work with...

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:04 pm I suspect Speedchuck less after seeing the quote from Epi about Light and Wiley recruiting. Sloonei would then be my top suspect, but there's already votes on him. Oh well. [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

I doubt Sloonei will be lynched today. There's no way this stays as-is for the next 19 hours.

Just going through Day One at the moment and noticed this incredibly prophetic post from LC. Nothing to say about it, it's just funny considering how crazy the votes got in the last couple of hours.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:34 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?

OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.

can you elaborate on what you mean by "doesn't look great"?

Like there's nothing there of substance. If he's town, he could be trying harder to help out.

Still reading through Day One, this post from Luna strikes me as odd. Feels like she's saying "If I contribute to the death of a civ with this vote, it's his fault for not trying hard enough". Not wanting to take ownership/be held responsible if she happens to be wrong.

My internet keeps cutting out so I may end up giving up and going to bed shortly but I think I've gained as much from re-reading the previous lynch as I can. In conclusion, it was a clusterfrick.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:46 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:39 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:34 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?

OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.

can you elaborate on what you mean by "doesn't look great"?

Like there's nothing there of substance. If he's town, he could be trying harder to help out.

Still reading through Day One, this post from Luna strikes me as odd. Feels like she's saying "If I contribute to the death of a civ with this vote, it's his fault for not trying hard enough". Not wanting to take ownership/be held responsible if she happens to be wrong.

By saying "If he's town, he could be trying harder to help out." I meant, "he's not trying, therefore he might be scum"

The implication I'm still picking up is "he's not trying, therefore he might be scum or he might not be and it's nobody's fault but his own if he gets lynched". Right now I'm not strongly opposed to either bandwagon really, Dys asked my opinion on Sloonei earlier and I didn't really have a solid one at the time so I'll go back and have a look over him like I said I would.

Reading through Sloonei, the first thing that really catches my eye is this:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:27 am I can only think of myself, so I assumed Mac was killed to make me look bad.

I think it's realistic to say Mac was likely killed for the same reason as Jay probably was: having a reputation as being super-active and known for getting their suspects lynched eventually, right or wrong. Seems strange that your first instinct would be to assume it was about you. I know he suspected you but he could've gone on to suspect anyone else.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm I can’t jusge this impartially right now, so I need others to offer their input:
Mac’s primary activity on Day 1 was to smear me. He did other things and made lots of noise, but I don’t think it’s unfair to say that I was his #1 suspect.

Mac was subsequently nightkilled. My instinct was to look out for people who would then turn that kill against me. I expressed this early in the day.

sprityo, who hadn’t touched me all game, then comes along to declare me his top suspect because I had expressed my theory about potentially being framed by Mac’s death. I don’t think it was at all unreasonable for me to feel that way, and I’d have no reason not to share that opinion with the thread. sprityo, however, suggests that there’s “no reason” for me to share it if I’m town. I don’t buy that part especially.

What’s more, he hasn’t identified anything in Mac’s suspicion against me that he agrees with. I’d like to see him at least try to do that. But for now I get the sense of a baddie making a concerted effort to spin a case against an established suspect (me). I do not get the sense that sprit has carefully considered my position in any of my posts. Instead it feels to me like he just seized onto a suspicion that already existed and is using that as his authority to suspect me.

Can anyone else see that, or am I just being too defenice here?

You jumped to claim Mac was killed to frame you before anyone else had even suggested it. Way too defensive IMO.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:31 pm If sloonei boy is town then the mafia is defo taking advantage of the fact that he wifomed himself after the Mac kill

To be fair it's maybe the finest wine to ever be placed in front of me. Never really been a fan of wine though so maybe I won't drink it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:37 pm
Please tell me more about the WIFOM around Mac's death.

The WIFOM is Sloonei's claim it was done to frame him. It's the perfect WIFOM because why the hell would he just jump out and say that if he was still busy washing Mac's blood off his hands? On the other hand if Sloonei and I were baddies together and he said to me he wanted to kill Mac in hopes of taking heat off him and would immediately come out and deny having done it so people get caught up in WIFOM I'd totally be on board with that plan.

I'm going to end up staying up until the lynch ends and be too tired for work tomorrow...

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:48 pm Still down for a Nova wagon if there's enough people who would lynch him over Sloonei and/or Luna

Part of me wants to see where Sloonei vs Luna goes but if there's a better option then why not. What makes you want a Nova lynch?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:56 pm I've been afraid to bring this into the fold because for those who are already on my case it's just an added layer of WIFOM and a chance to say "of course you'd update your strategy in this game", but here is my post history from Ancient Greece Mafia. The dynamic between Mac and I was very similar to how it is here, with the main difference being my alignment. Mac hounded me from Day 1 and was killed on Night 2. The differences are that I engaged more heavily with Mac while he was alive, and then after his death I acted like no player named Macdougall had ever existed. I wanted to get as far away from that heat as possible.

For those who will say I am making a conscious effort to play differently here than I did there: I did not remember what my methods were in that game off the top of my head. I had to go back and look just now to see how I behaved. My fingers were crossed that it would be different than what I've done here.

I offer this for the people who are still on the fence about me. I know all of this can't be taken definitively, but I at least want to provide a sample of my past behavior in a situation remarkably similar to the one we're currently in.

It's also my most recent and most significant scum performance on the Syndicate, if anyone's into cross-game comparisons. I can provide a recent town game as well for any of the folks who aren't already super familiar with my meta.

If you're bad, you're the king of WIFOM. Honestly I feel worse about Luna's posts where it looked like she was trying to avoid responsibility for her Nova vote so I will [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine at least for now. If she is lynched today and flips civ, I reserve the right to return to your vineyard.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:09 pm It doesn't take much imagination for me to paint Bullz and Luna as scumbuddies right now

I forgive you.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:29 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:09 pm It doesn't take much imagination for me to paint Bullz and Luna as scumbuddies right now

Unfortunately, paint is not an effective scumhunting tool. You make a big mess, and never get the color you want.

Have you tried ISO-propane?

In all honesty I'd rather not be painted at all. I have work in the morning and a busy weekend planned, it would be really awkward if I had to sit in Wembley arena painted as scum... People would ask questions I couldn't answer.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:57 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:55 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:45 pm is there a place where the points against lunalee are at in a convenient package that would be easy to view while i'm playing video games

You could stop playing Zelda and play mafia for a bit :O

im playing pokemon

Im about to face 3rd Giovanni in FR for my first Nuzzlocke challenge.

Nuzlocke runs are my favourite thing. I started one in Black recently but level grinding in Gen 5 is such a drag it's hard to stay invested.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:48 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:06 amYour second post in the game was to vote for me and you seemed pretty confident in it at the time. The only real elaboration you gave is that I "write like scumz write". I don't remember if we've ever played a game together before (don't think so) but if we had you'd probably be able to tell that I just write like me. I don't really like being a civ because when I started playing I was either bad, eventually recruited, or an indy with btsc for my first 10 or so games. I learned to play as a baddie and by the time I got to be town for any significant length of time it was too late for me to learn to be anything but evil. I think like a baddie even when I'm not one. It's helpful in some ways, less so in others. Perhaps that's why you think I write like one but I feel like if you were a bit more familiar with me you'd probably think differently.

I'm not 100% on who Spoons is. I think maybe Sloonei based on context? I'm back and forth on him, I've had some bad vibes and some good ones. Could easily re-read and get a more solid opinion.

Most of all I wanted to put some pressure on you, cause that is where I would've started if I was playing D1. And yeah, I don't know you or your style, and I pointed that out to. I would like to though. You seem a bit careful in your approach, and I haven't seen you stick your neck out too much or come with strong accusations. Does that make sense? In my experience, a lot of the time there will be scum among semi-active players not really pushing much, having organized toughts, but seeming a bit detached. So that was what I saw. I was never sure, of course, and absolutely am not still.

This is fair enough.

I'm always careful, and especially early on you won't see me jumping out at anything in particular. I take a while to build myself into games and it can vary depending on any number of factors, there's never any one reason for why it took me more or less time in X game to start being active.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:29 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:59 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:54 pm Tell you this. I’ll stop harassing Sloonei for tonight and we can talk someone else. I definitely think Sloonei is full omgus mode for suspecting speed and I

Hey now, I was proud of myself for working to a point where I suspected you without relying on self-defense.
Also my speedchuck decision is based much more on his relationship with Luna. In-game, I mean. Out of game they’re an admirable pair by all accounts.

What immediate thoughts do you have in the aftermath of this lynch?

I touched on this but we should get marmot talking more and dig into bullseye over his vote change.

Don’t know exactly what you mean here, I didn’t change my vote. Luna was the only person I voted for yesterday. I can totally see why people might think we were distancing but my only defense at this time is to say I don’t like to bus teammates, especially not this early and especially not when they could easily be saved.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:43 am

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:03 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:56 pm I've been afraid to bring this into the fold because for those who are already on my case it's just an added layer of WIFOM and a chance to say "of course you'd update your strategy in this game", but here is my post history from Ancient Greece Mafia. The dynamic between Mac and I was very similar to how it is here, with the main difference being my alignment. Mac hounded me from Day 1 and was killed on Night 2. The differences are that I engaged more heavily with Mac while he was alive, and then after his death I acted like no player named Macdougall had ever existed. I wanted to get as far away from that heat as possible.

For those who will say I am making a conscious effort to play differently here than I did there: I did not remember what my methods were in that game off the top of my head. I had to go back and look just now to see how I behaved. My fingers were crossed that it would be different than what I've done here.

I offer this for the people who are still on the fence about me. I know all of this can't be taken definitively, but I at least want to provide a sample of my past behavior in a situation remarkably similar to the one we're currently in.

It's also my most recent and most significant scum performance on the Syndicate, if anyone's into cross-game comparisons. I can provide a recent town game as well for any of the folks who aren't already super familiar with my meta.

If you're bad, you're the king of WIFOM. Honestly I feel worse about Luna's posts where it looked like she was trying to avoid responsibility for her Nova vote so I will [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine at least for now. If she is lynched today and flips civ, I reserve the right to return to your vineyard.

What an odd ifthen statement. Guess now that Luna has flipped scum, no need to look at Sloonei anymore, right?

That's not what I said at all.

I should probably mention I'm away this weekend and probably won't be around at all. I'll try to vote from my phone first thing but I'm unlikely to have chance to get involved at all through Day 4, if I do it will be very brief and I'll probably be quite drunk. Should be back on Monday evening assuming I'm still alive.

K-Ness wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:46 pm
Bullzeye's remark about someone being absent Day 2 was odd considering there wasn't a Day 2. But the overall feel from his ISO leaves me leaning town on him.

I feel like it's incredibly obvious that that comment was a joke...

Kyle's fanfic is the greatest and I cannot wait to read more. I'm particularly happy with the title "Every DFaradog has his DFaraday". I will need to throw down a vote that's at least a placeholder within the next half hour or so, as I mentioned yesterday I'm going to be away all weekend. Going to Wembley with my brother to watch a big wrestling show, and there's a lot of other things going on around it. If I remember that the game exists while I'm out having fun, I'll probably try to check in but whether I post at all or not really depends on how sober I get.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:37 am long Con, do you have anything else to add or is this it?

I feel like the same could be asked of your response to his comments. Looking at the poll results so far it seems LC forgot to actually cast a vote, but your reply kinda makes me want to fix that issue for him.

I'm going to throw my placeholder vote down on Sloonei because I'm still not convinced either way on him. A lot of his defence yesterday really boiled down to WIFOM. I'm going to make notes on my phone to check in tonight and tomorrow morning as well as maybe after the show, so if anything interesting happens I can change my mind. I mostly just want to not miss the vote at all.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Also I'm leaving now. You might not see me again until Night 4. Have fun!

I got home a lot later than anticipated yesterday because my brother and I decided to explore London for a few hours rather than immediately jump on the first train home. By the time I got in I was knackered and basically went straight to sleep. I've read bits over the weekend but not much and what I did read, I didn't always have context for. Going to catch up now from my last post and see where things stand currently.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:17 am If Marmot is town, Gemini Man is scum and almost certain Speedchuck.

If Marmot is scum and not Gemini Man, same conclusion.

Can Marmot not be town and Gemini Man?

The main thing I don't understand is why in my catch up people seem to be assuming Gemini Man is definitely a baddie with what appears to be no evidence other than his vote to tie the lynch. I'm not opposed to re-lynching Marmot, especially if I can be presented with a convincing answer to this question.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:51 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:48 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:41 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:40 am Step 1 - Night Kill the fuck out of inactive players
Step 2 - Lynch whoever the fuck we want based on whatever the fuck we want because the players we don't Nightkill will be like "yeah that is in the thread therefore it makes sense to do that"

Active players, that should say on #1

You aren’t supposed to post this to the thread.

GET IN CHAT BEFORE REY BLOCKS MP AND OUR KILL

A joke that no one here will get but that makes me incredibly happy every time

I got the joke! I didn't play that game but someone told me about it shortly after it had happened so I ended up reading the whole thing.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:05 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:57 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:17 am If Marmot is town, Gemini Man is scum and almost certain Speedchuck.

If Marmot is scum and not Gemini Man, same conclusion.

Can Marmot not be town and Gemini Man?

The main thing I don't understand is why in my catch up people seem to be assuming Gemini Man is definitely a baddie with what appears to be no evidence other than his vote to tie the lynch. I'm not opposed to re-lynching Marmot, especially if I can be presented with a convincing answer to this question.

If that’s the case, why didn’t he defend himself then or in the next day?

To what end does townie Marmot throw someone else under the bus only to let himself be mislynched the next day? (Same question if Marmot isn’t GM I suppose.)

Gemini Man (and Speedchuck and LC) caused us to waste a day lynching Simon when the consensus was that Marmot should be lynched. Simon was town. None of those players gave a good reason for lynching Simon over Marmot yet here we are. Ergo, Gemini Man looks shady af.

He seems to be claiming he was silenced and broke the rules of it by posting. Not sure if I buy it. As to why he hasn't defended himself since:

If I had the ability to apply an extra vote to someone, you can 100% guarantee I'd use it defensively regardless of my alignment. I guess that's why I can see a civ GM voting to tie up a lynch to protect himself. I'm mostly just playing devil's advocate with this though, my questioning here is more with regard to Gemini Man specifically.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:07 pm To me the smartest and most damning thing about Marmot is "Why bother tacking onto the Luna vote unless it's for cred"

Okay this is a solid point.