The Syndicate

How likely do you think it is that all the people that have posted so far are civilian?

Hmn okay this is confusing

bronana = Zack?
moth = brainbomb?
outed wolf = visor?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:08 pm I'll join my good buddy Kaz.

Can I join?

What's P Q G H ?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:40 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:45 pm Okay serious question though.

Sloonei, if you're thinking nutella could be a wolf, are you going to stay in a triumvirate with her?

you could flip this and ask me the same thing but I wouldn't be sure tbh

kinda just inertia-stuck on the option I chose and I like it and I like LC so whatever maybe it'll be fun and interesting to be in a trio with a scumread (who also mutually scumreads me)

Nutella why did you feel the need to answer that?

I'm here if you wanna talk! I'm catching up on another tab but I'm easily distracted lol

I'm not sure what's his problem with my post? (Also looking back the only person that responded to that is moth so hmn. I think he's townie)
His retrospective was kinda meh and I'm not sure to understand what the "slank cover" thing is.

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:50 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:46 pm I'm not sure what's his problem with my post? (Also looking back the only person that responded to that is moth so hmn. I think he's townie)
His retrospective was kinda meh and I'm not sure to understand what the "slank cover" thing is.

When I said slank cover I meant the "see you d3" bit.

It reads as a joke, I don't really think it AI.

Why w/w? Is it usual for them?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:59 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:55 pm Why w/w? Is it usual for them?

No, just because usually I feel that day 1 spats like this tend to resolve with neither member being the target of suspicion after a while and their position in a triumvirate together leads me to believe that neither really suspects the other.

They both voted each other and you voted NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME.

Oh mindmeld!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:59 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:55 pm Why w/w? Is it usual for them?

No, just because usually I feel that day 1 spats like this tend to resolve with neither member being the target of suspicion after a while and their position in a triumvirate together leads me to believe that neither really suspects the other.

I'm still not sure I understand the logic. Your first reflex is to think they're w/w (rather than v/v or w/v) and then just let them be?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:10 pm

Spoiler: show

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:53 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:52 pm

outed wolf wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:50 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:49 pm I actually have no clue why nutella and sloonei ended up in the same triumvirate if they were going to start the day by cross voting. just seems like a mechanical failure

Why? We still don't know what they do?

if a member of your triumvirate dies you lose a bunch of $tat$

is his point

Oh that makes sense well I'm just dumb then I guess?

I'm just gonna tunnel sloonei nutella w/w as this conflict plays out

Can I just sheep you plz?

my one read is that two random people I'm not voting for could be paired that seems like a terrible strategy

MacDougall seems to be joking, why the serious answer?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:49 am This is the worst triumvirate I've ever been a part of.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:10 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:07 am [VOTE: master radishes] aubergine because after reading three more of jovian's posts i've decided i like them and see a little of myself in them.

The Radish has not inspired me this game.

[VOTE: master radishes] aubergine because I support my triumvirate. I'm going to bed now, and I'll see if I agree with the suspicion in the morning.

Hmmn what
How much do you trust your triumvirate?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:05 am Carotenoid is town and I am never taking it back

Why?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:07 am Looking at Carotenoid's ISO I don't know where to go, as in, I think the people she's pushing are wolfy and she makes very good points / she's pushing on good stuff.

Which would make her an excellent scum hunter or just bussing her partners / creating associations.

So I'm kinda stuck there.

Why are the possibilities you're envisioning the two extremes?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:16 am Vote: tedxtr

(Literally no reason btw)

(Also how do i vote btw)

I don't believe you. Why tedxtr?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:20 am

Spoiler: show

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:49 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:59 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:55 pm Why w/w? Is it usual for them?

No, just because usually I feel that day 1 spats like this tend to resolve with neither member being the target of suspicion after a while and their position in a triumvirate together leads me to believe that neither really suspects the other.

I'm still not sure I understand the logic. Your first reflex is to think they're w/w (rather than v/v or w/v) and then just let them be?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:10 pm

Spoiler: show

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:53 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:52 pm

outed wolf wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:51 pm
if a member of your triumvirate dies you lose a bunch of $tat$

is his point

Oh that makes sense well I'm just dumb then I guess?

I'm just gonna tunnel sloonei nutella w/w as this conflict plays out

Can I just sheep you plz?

my one read is that two random people I'm not voting for could be paired that seems like a terrible strategy

MacDougall seems to be joking, why the serious answer?

1) yes
2) couldn’t come up with a funny response. I weirdly have meta on this if you want it

Well ok, I don't really get your mindset but I like the one-line-kinda-snappy-but-not-uncooperative answers.
I'm not going to look into your meta but I appreciate you're offering it

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:00 am

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:58 am Why are the possibilities you're envisioning the two extremes?

Not sure what you'd like me to respond with here.

However, I think you have me at about a null or something, how do you feel about my vote on you?

You're thinking that I'm either 1) Right and pushing wolfy people, 2) Wolf bussing. So either way, you think that I'm interacting with wolves. That makes the vote on me feels really opportunistic.
I'm trying to not OMGUS-read you but I have you as null-leaning bad because of that.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:11 am

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:07 am So either way, you think that I'm interacting with wolves. That makes the vote on me feels really opportunistic.

Ah I see where the problem lies.

I just think that you have sparks of pushes that aren't followed up, if that makes sense, when I feel like your line of inquiry would demand more out of a person. But it's some form of scattered hunting process that I don't really know what to deal with.

I am aware that it might be a play style issue that I have with you rather than straight up a scum read, but I still can't get rid of that irking feeling.

Something like that.

Hmn okay, that makes sense, I guess we'll see as this goes on.

Do you have other reads at the moment?

Hmmn okay.

The game does feel really... Calm? A lot of things feel v/v so maybe some wolves are MIA.

DrWilgy, dunya, motobot & Soneji fall in this category.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:52 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:04 am Or rather, why did you think moth would complain about not being forced to interact with people that could potentially be town (no spew), as a wolf? I kinda have to make some weird assumption in order to meet this read, not really following your thought process. You think wolves would complain in wolf chat about not having to interact with people when spew is at bay? lol

Idk i just its kinda slightly scummy. The "I kinda have to make some weird assumption in order to meet this read" sentence

Ive felt like that when i was maf and i was trying to be diplomatic and stuff. i could be wrong but it just feels to me like ted pre emptively wants to agree / not enter conflict

i hate explaining so much just to be clear, i just decided id give it a shot

Is this the reason of your vote? Because the post you quoted was posted after your vote in the thread.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:39 am

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:29 am Hmmn okay.

The game does feel really... Calm? A lot of things feel v/v so maybe some wolves are MIA.

DrWilgy, dunya, motobot & Soneji fall in this category.

i'll reply to this first since it has my name and is right above my post.

drwilgy is nototiously low poster in either alignment, but i say he makes a little more effort as scum as the game goes on.

motobot is the host's 8year old son and makes a very limited amount of posts in general.

soneji just flipped mafia in space invaders, so i'll let you judge what his inactivity means.

i am never a low poster in either alignment. incoming crazy dunya.

Oh wow I wasn't expecting that for motobot. Thanks for the backgrounds.

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:40 am im surprised i got zero bites on my mech post

guess yall dont like mech speculation or just all seemed obvious?

I thought you said you played the setup before?
Anyway it was a nice post, but I have no idea what the game is so *shrug*

Long Con you said yesterday you would look into Master Radishes this morning, did you do it?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:10 am

Spoiler: show

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:56 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:52 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:04 am Or rather, why did you think moth would complain about not being forced to interact with people that could potentially be town (no spew), as a wolf? I kinda have to make some weird assumption in order to meet this read, not really following your thought process. You think wolves would complain in wolf chat about not having to interact with people when spew is at bay? lol

Idk i just its kinda slightly scummy. The "I kinda have to make some weird assumption in order to meet this read" sentence

Ive felt like that when i was maf and i was trying to be diplomatic and stuff. i could be wrong but it just feels to me like ted pre emptively wants to agree / not enter conflict

i hate explaining so much just to be clear, i just decided id give it a shot

Is this the reason of your vote? Because the post you quoted was posted after your vote in the thread.

Yea i kinda scumread ted slightly regardless but then he went ahead and made that post and when i responded to u it was an opportunity to give his most recent post as a tongue in cheek kinda thing and also i could just quote it instead of going back the previous page to quote other stuff so i saved myself some calories in clicking less. my granny says im underweight and i should eat more so im just doing my dury with due dilligence

??? What's this conclusion?

moth wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:44 am okay so my role is only useful in a massclaim.

and im also an investigative type role

Can we please not get in this

moth wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:05 pm ted just said he wants things to get exciting. Why not unecessarily role claim

He said fun, not bland role claim

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:28 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:27 am Long Con you said yesterday you would look into Master Radishes this morning, did you do it?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:10 am

Spoiler: show

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:56 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:52 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:04 am Or rather, why did you think moth would complain about not being forced to interact with people that could potentially be town (no spew), as a wolf? I kinda have to make some weird assumption in order to meet this read, not really following your thought process. You think wolves would complain in wolf chat about not having to interact with people when spew is at bay? lol

Idk i just its kinda slightly scummy. The "I kinda have to make some weird assumption in order to meet this read" sentence

Ive felt like that when i was maf and i was trying to be diplomatic and stuff. i could be wrong but it just feels to me like ted pre emptively wants to agree / not enter conflict

i hate explaining so much just to be clear, i just decided id give it a shot

Is this the reason of your vote? Because the post you quoted was posted after your vote in the thread.

Yea i kinda scumread ted slightly regardless but then he went ahead and made that post and when i responded to u it was an opportunity to give his most recent post as a tongue in cheek kinda thing and also i could just quote it instead of going back the previous page to quote other stuff so i saved myself some calories in clicking less. my granny says im underweight and i should eat more so im just doing my dury with due dilligence

??? What's this conclusion?

Did I say that? I don't remember saying that tbh

Yeah here -->

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:10 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:07 am [VOTE: master radishes] aubergine because after reading three more of jovian's posts i've decided i like them and see a little of myself in them.

The Radish has not inspired me this game.

[VOTE: master radishes] aubergine because I support my triumvirate. I'm going to bed now, and I'll see if I agree with the suspicion in the morning.

I like Marcher Jovian's read on moth, I just dislike that it was categorized as a "weird read".

Why is there like 300 posts every time I take a nap aaah

I read it. But honestly it felt like pages of tedxtr saying Marcher Jovian scum and Sloonei asking him for other reads and being ignored, with a few sidequests in the middle. tedxtr/Marcher Jovian feels v/v

tutuu do you AtE when you're wolf?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:55 pm tutuu
tedxtr
sloonei
bronana
dunya
nutella
moth

(there are also townreads not scumreads)
MacDougall
Lissa
Turnip Head
Master Radishes
TonyStarkPrime

Rest

tedxtr is your top town now? Can you walk me through your thought process please?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:14 pm

moth wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:09 pm id be willing to lynch:
tonystark
careton
long con
moto

these 4 seem to be hiding.

I'm not hiding I'm just sleepy.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:16 pm I'm honestly slightly bothered that people aren't scum reading me.

Lol

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:20 pm Hello I haven't said a word to you yet, which I think is just outrageous. What can you tell me about the game so far?

Hi I lean town on bronana KZA MacDougall Marcher Jovian Master Radishes moth TonyStarkPrime
I keep confusing you with NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME for some reason

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:29 pm Perhaps it is because I am also great and/or fearsome. Do you have a read on the pair of us?

Is there anyone you lean scum on?

Hmmn no I'm mostly trying to remember you're 2 different persons.
I disliked some things in nutella's tone and I felt like tutuu "oh no I am double derpcleared by accident" was a bit overdone. The vote on tedxtr also felt meh but the rest looks better so I'm looking at her iso.

Lissa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:54 pm just in general feel like tutuu is basically continually dumping the running flow of thoughts in her brain ITT and it's really villagery

Huh I just looked at her posts and had the opposite conclusion. It feels really self-centered and overly defensive when prodded

Hi. I didn't really catch-up, why is Master Radishes top voted?

What happens if there's a tie?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:53 pm I don’t want the cfd on nutella I want it on Jovian

What did they do? Is it still the moth thing?

Hahh I hate the idea of all the currents wagons but I don't feel like I have the right to complain.

To be honest I don't really know. I kinda want to sort betwenn nutella/dunya

Huh I didn't realize DrWilgy had 3 votes. I hate to say that but at this point I feel it's the less bad option

Hmn I don't scumread Master Radishes and he's in my triumvirate. So please don't vote him.

EoD is at :30?

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:40 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:37 pm Visor, you had Marcher as one of the few people that you actually had reasons to scum read

Are you gonna vote there?

Maybe!

Maybe I'll just stick to voting motobot

Voting motobot is like the same thing to voting DrWilgy

@Marcher Jovian Wanna switch your self-pres vote on DrWilgy?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:44 pm I would argue that wilgy is doing more to play the game at this point than she is

disagree >:c

bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:15 pm carot has got to be the easiest misyeet in the world for the wolves

so why is no one voting her

Because Radishes is town anyway?

Hi. I have finally catch-up. My D1 is like usually bad but not this bad so sorry for that and let's kick some wolfy pants.

I started writing this read list after reading around #1783. It goes from +town to + wolf.

Town
Marcher Jovian
Yo for real I just don’t understand how they are scum read. Their attempt to create discussion in a kinda clumsy way and the sad kitty reaction just feels really town and I relate to that. We also had a mind meld moment that felt really good. Also they deserve a hug.

I see bronana brought some reasonable meta concerns but like… Didn’t they say it was their sixth game or something? That doesn’t seem really fair because regardless of alignment there’s probably going to be a huge change…

KZA
Overall tone felt really pure, especially the « if radish says i’m scum you can trust him .» At EoD, his jumping from wagon to wagon and trying to analyze movement/lack of movement felt really townie and lack of TMI. I feel quite good about this townread.

tutuu
Hmm it’s kinda funny she’s so high in the list because she was definitely one of the lowest names in my feelings before EoD. I just don’t think her « call » of unvoting me at EoD is wolfy. I think I was like the only person to scum read her so there’s no reason for her to not just quietly hope that I get mislimined. I mostly scum read her on tone related stuff so I’m comfortable thinking that this just a personality clash/misunderstanding and get over it.

Long Con
Their day posts weren’t like super inspiring but their sequence of posts at the start of N1 felt town. If they were wolf faking it, I don’t think they would be the one to point out their mistake on Master Radishes alignment, they probably would have just waited for someone else to say it and then be like « oh wow how silly haha whoops I’m town .» Also, I think the list with Soneji’s name crossed just never comes from mafia. Like, I think Soneji is never a N1 kill candidate and it’s just extremely silly to do this on purpose on top of the Master Radishes thing.


tedxtr
His EoD felt really townie: trying to push for their suspect, thinking out loud about the thread state, etc. A bit earlier #1268 felt more paranoid townie than paranoid wolf. His interactions with me also felt more like town trying to gauge others than wolfy pushing things with bad faith. I just really hope they would stop the tunnel on Marcher Jovian.




bronana
I don’t know how to word it properly but overall I feel like he has been really… Reasonable? Like well-grounded? I especially liked their post saying « Feels impossible to get a good grasp on the game when there are still like five one-posters after 65 hours of game .» I just don’t like the push on me at EoD because I just fail to see the logic, but at the same time if he knew Master Radishes and I are both town it would have been a really discutable push. Hmm so yeah, I dislike the push, but I acknowledge that it seems to be coming from a non-TMI place.

Lissa
I feel like lots of people are having lots of expectations from her and that she has kept a cool head regarding all that in a way that feel townie. Like, a bit annoyed but trying to be comprehensive. Overall she also felt coherent and trying to figure out things. I especially liked her #1308.


Town for now

moth
D0 feeling is that despite the general kinda trollesqueish state of the thread he has been trying to get things started by casting suspicions instead of just going with the flow. I also appreciate that he took the time to answer my *fabulous* opener question in a way that felt genuine. His frustration at the beginning also felt townie. I’d even say that if he was a wolf, that would have happened in wolf chat. He’s less present but the fact that he did reevaluate his reads multiple time and went « full circle » feels natural.


outed wolf

#1240 asks for not voting his triumvirates. After Master Radishes death, I realized we only lose like half of stats if someone from our triumvirate is *night killed*. So it doesn’t really matter, it’s like almost better to have partners voted out during the day. The rest of his posting is mostly ok so leaving that here.

MacDougall
Initial impressions were good. His disappearance feels mostly NAI, though I have the impression he would try more if he had wolf teammates. I don’t actually know him really so if anyone has input on this it would be appreciated.

TonyStarkPrime
Wasn’t a fan of his beginning but I like how he answered my questions. I feel like I’ll get a better read as the game go on so I’m not super stressed about that.


dunya
I’ve been kinda going back and forth but I do not believe nutella and her are w/w so that makes her town. Her comment/joke saying she thought she wasn’t playing or something feels more v considering that she said she was going to get in the game and all previous to that.

DrWilgy
Gah I’m really hesitant to put this slot in « to sort »… Gut feeling at EoD yesterday was that he was town and his vote was on nutella first iirc so that’s good points for him. Unless he’s a shameless busser. Is DrWilgy a shameless busser?


To sort

motobot
I don’t know. It feels like a coin flip.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Apparently this person is in this game so this person is on my read list.


Wolf

Soneji
Apparently him not participating is a scum tell. So his absence not being brought up makes me think there’s a good chance he is a wolf. The D0 catch-up post doesn’t inspire me anything and the « If you had read the top part of the post, you'd realize that was all written prior to the banish » feels overly defensive.

Sloonei
At some point he entered the thread and he was like heyy let’s shake things up and then. Things kinda just stayed the same. The GTH thing was nice but mostly but the conclusion was like «  Let's explore why Radishes, Carot, Mac, and KZA were the preferred suspects. » Kinda meh considering 6 people participated counting Sloonei and that it just… Never did really happen. There was a « @dunya @Lissa why did you GTH KZA as scum? » but really that’s it. I’m not fan of this.

Turnip Head
Big picture impression is that they have been there most of the time but not doing much. I especially dislike their #1243 « At this point there doesn't seem to be any major consensus reads. Every suspect has vocal player(s) on each side of the aisle. » It’s like.  Hey I acknowledge thread state is not great right now, can someone do something? while doing nothing.

nutella
The jumping from suspect to suspect while being really confident + that specchatish list is… eh. EoD looks really bad for nutella and she’s like not even sorry/feeling bad about it. Sorta self-defending badly before jumping on the easy mislim Marcher Jovian and me is not a good look.

tl;dr

I express the desire to fight people

Town
Marcher Jovian
KZA
tutuu
Long Con

tedxtr
bronana
Lissa

Town for now

moth

outed wolf
MacDougall
TonyStarkPrime

dunya
DrWilgy

To sort

motobot
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Wolf

Soneji
Sloonei
Turnip Head
nutella

I don't understand how the votecount work.
What's the logic for the order of pseudonyms???

It seems to be neither alphabetical order, neither time of vote order uherijfuhjedifhe

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:49 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:49 pm Tell me about Soneji.

Oh I missed your summary post

Don't really like that case tbh

Yeah I can see why it's my least wolf wolf case. It was in "to sort" but then I was like eeeeeeeh nah it feels better under the line. What do you think about Sloonei Turnip Head nutella?

Hmn anyway. I'd like to do a votecount ordered by voting time but it seems like I'll have to manually do it by cmd + f'ing Aubergine and hoping everybody voted in thread.. ?

For the moment:

D1 vote

Carotenoid (6) : bronana, outed wolf, moth, tedxtr, KZA, Lissa
DrWilgy (4) : Carotenoid, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, motorboat, Long Con
Marcher Jovian (2) : Master Radishes, TonyStarkPrime
Master Radishes (7) : nutella, Turnip Head, dunya, DrWilgy, Marcher Jovian, tutuu, Sloonei
No vote (2) : MacDougall, Soneji

First thing I see is that nutella, Turnip Head and Sloonei have all voted Master Radishes. I think this was a v/v/v/v situation so that makes me doubt a bit but I still find that possible. Maybe DrWilgy is wolf and they didn't want to take a chance since he had no quickness or whatever. Hmmmn.

Does DrWilgy buss when he is a wolf? Like does he ever vote for a teammate early D1 for like no reason?