The Syndicate

Give me the flamethrower, I’ll do whatever the hell I want.

Kinda feel like speed was trying to get the flamethrower and do that democracy thing because he’s bad and wanted town cred for a long con

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:42 am [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
because he hasn't shown up yet, so why not?

I was sort of thinking this too, but actually, I’ve only seen going after an inactive on D1 work once (Easter) and only once, I think. I’m not sure if it’s ever worked on another phase in a game I’ve played.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:59 am P.S Killing inactives particularly with this set-up is a great idea please do it.

Why particularly with this set-up?

I voted sprit, he seemed to be in a good solvey mode that I wouldn’t expect out of scum right away.

Speed very well could be good trying to win the game, I guess I was thinking of some recent games where he wasn’t acting like that as town (Hydra and U-Pick) but Courage he did, so, nevermind that.

Coming in hot with a desire to lead the town

Luna good, DH good, Eloh good.

Actually, DH null.

I was thinking “DH kinda reminds me of what I saw in Mega Man and DH was good” but then I remembered ... DH was bad ... and then I remembered I’m bad at this anyway

I’m not bad, I’m bad at Mafia.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:07 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:35 pm I’m not bad, I’m bad at Mafia.
Eh. The “Speed could be bad, wait, Speed could be good.” thing is annoying enough on a D1 where not much has happened and a DDL bandwagon seems to be leaving the station. Colin has been pushing weaksauce stuff against two people I’m kinda townreading rn: Speed and DH. I’ll put my vote on him for now, and perhaps move it if he elaborates on those feelings in a satisfactory way.

Nope

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:29 pm Elo vs Luna feels like town vs town

Agreed.

Can someone sum up the case against DDL?

Ok, I went back myself and did quick ISOing. Between DDL and Luna DDL certainly seems to be laying low more and tonally I don’t feel good about him like I do Luna, so, DDL.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:20 pm On the slim chance that Lord Yo isn't feeling the DDL vote here is who I would suggest torching in order of preference.

Collin
Luna
Doc/Mac.

That ain’t it chief

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:57 am If anyone's wondering why Colin made the top of that list:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:12 pm Ok, I went back myself and did quick ISOing. Between DDL and Luna DDL certainly seems to be laying low more and tonally I don’t feel good about him like I do Luna, so, DDL.
This after asking the thread to hold his hand through a DDL case makes me think he just wanted a reason to vote for DDL, the popular option. "Laying low more"? Yeah bro he said he'd be gone all day. Tonally you feel better about him than Luna? That means nothing to me. Might as well be French.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:49 pm
Today’s lynch is going to be brought to you by King Negan. Here are the rules:

Everyone will case ONE person today. Pick one person, and build a case against them. You are required to vote for the person you case. This is first come first served, meaning if someone gets cased/voted for, you can’t pick that person anymore. That’s all you have to do today to stay safe. Literally that’s it. Here are some things that will disqualify you from safety:

1. If you case someone that’s already been cased without casing someone new first, you will not be safe from the lynch
2. If you vote for someone who already has a vote, you will not be safe from the lynch
3. If you refuse to case someone you will not be safe from the lynch
4. If you do not vote, you will not be safe from the lynch.
5. If you follow the rules, but I like the case against you, you will not be safe from the lynch.
6. If you follow the rules and make 10 or more on topic and constructive posts that I like, rule 5 may be waived.

Deadline to complete this task is 4 hours before EOD. At that point everyone who isn’t safe will be placed under my microscope and I’ll fuck up whoever I suspect the most.

I more than likely will not be able to do any good casing on my own, I’m busy most of today. So ... burn me if you want I guess but it’ll be for naught if you’re town.

Does the non-kill point to an inactive scum?

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:24 am dibs on Colin.

Will post case probably tomorrow at noon-ish.

Here is a good “no U” post: INH has been around the block with me enough to know that I’m always an easy railroad in early game and may be taking advantage of it. Eager for his case and whether it may CMV.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:12 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:11 am So mafia doesn't know each other (yet), which means a mafia with a flamethrower has no reason not to follow us. It also means D1 is harder than usual.
What does this even mean?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:02 am Oh I just realized self-voting is forbidden.

Hmm

random.org gave me Dr. Wilgy.
(Though I was RPGing that night too, it was fun)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:02 am So should we reveal who we nominated at Day 0?
This looks like a generation of discussion, but since scum are all indys (on D1 at least) the election votes don't mean much. Wary of the faux-discussion.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:13 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:07 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:35 pm I’m not bad, I’m bad at Mafia.
Eh. The “Speed could be bad, wait, Speed could be good.” thing is annoying enough on a D1 where not much has happened and a DDL bandwagon seems to be leaving the station. Colin has been pushing weaksauce stuff against two people I’m kinda townreading rn: Speed and DH. I’ll put my vote on him for now, and perhaps move it if he elaborates on those feelings in a satisfactory way.
If you flip-flip more I might start thinik you are nutella in disguise.
INH did speak a bit too much about what he would do with his vote in certain cases, but he's pretty straightforward about his read and vote. Not only that, but he's scumreading a real flip-flopper. Feels like an ingenuine suspicion. (The post before this one was a Luna suspicion, which was a bit easy, but possibly genuine.)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:22 pm Sprityo looks worse after this day. It's one thing to murder an inactive day 1, it's another to use that as an excuse to avoid scumhunting them posting a bunch of salad after you execute said inactive.
On the one hand, agreed. On the other hand, what does Sprityo gain by doing this? Also this is piggybacking off someone else's suspicion. He continues to hammer down on this. It's an easy gripe to let fester.

His INH case isn't great.

I have no reason to think DDL is town, but the scum pings arten't that strong. I'll see if ColinIsCool gives me a better case, but I'm voting here for now so nobody can steal it.

Out of every case I’ve read so far, this seems the most nitpicky and making a case simply for the sake of it. I mean, Speed basically says as much at the end (“voting here for now so nobody can steal it” = “let me get this done before I have to invent a harder one”.) No no bueno. Maybe I’ll case speed?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:14 pm Gives a "busy" excuse for not doing more. In my opinion, Colin has not lived up to his "town-leader" hype.

I don’t want to be a town leader. I signed up for this game like 3 months ago and I am considerably busier than I was then. I’ll do my best to contribute, but I’m not here to bulldoze.

Town Colin doesn’t give a damn and posts all willy nilly. You all should know that. If you incinerate me you’ll help strengthen my meta.

I think Speed’s interpretation of me is the most suspect because he was teamed with me in Hydra and saw my lazy ass in real life. He knows better, but goes from feeling “unsure” about me to this:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:21 pm Oh, okay. Colin is obviously bad but I'll let someone else case him. I'm pretty sure I don't need the cred.

Someone step up and case Colin. Don't make me do it.

once he sees there’s considerable traction against me. Note also that I’ve voiced (admittedly limp) suspicion against him. So I guess this + my earlier posts are my case on Speed. Flip flop again motherfuckers.

[VOTE: speed] aubergine

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:44 pm INH is now making me like him more with his Colin post. Meh.

Yeah, I do think he should know better too but it wasn’t as disagreeable as I expected. It’s a clear train of thought for him.

If I get torched, look at everyone who suspected me as well as the people who have illustriously led us to 2 town torchings against any clear public consensus.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:55 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:52 pm If I get torched, look at everyone who suspected me as well as the people who have illustriously led us to 2 town torchings against any clear public consensus.

A bit too dramatic no?

No

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:16 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:40 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:14 pm Gives a "busy" excuse for not doing more. In my opinion, Colin has not lived up to his "town-leader" hype.
I don’t want to be a town leader. I signed up for this game like 3 months ago and I am considerably busier than I was then. I’ll do my best to contribute, but I’m not here to bulldoze.
okay? I thought you said this:
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:59 am Coming in hot with a desire to lead the town

In case anyone else misinterpreted this, this was a response to a question by Speed

I’ve thought on it and I don’t think Sprit would have tried to get the flamethrower if he is bad. DH would, although he would do it either way. The song and dance yesterday was a good way to stir up discussion but also could have been a devious ploy to get townies to suspect other townies and to take advantage of others’ cases.

That sprit angle certainly is plausible, but I don’t really see him trying to get the attention of the flamethrower so quickly if he is scum. If he did, he didn’t think his choice of Mac through well enough at all — the only reason you go after that thing is for town cred, and he lost some.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:37 pm Like if I’m scum and the only way I can die is to be lynched and there’s a mechanic to prevent that, I’m trying to use that mechanic as often as possible.

Yes, getting the flamethrower can be protown but it is certainly not a thing only townies do.

Yeah good point.

I really can’t believe all y’all who have played all these games with me think that “flip-flopping” is part of my scum meta.

Turbup, I wish I had better suggestions but IDFK. My gut tells me DH good, sprit good, you’re good. Everybody else is kinda meh and I am still most sketched out by Speed.

Ooh wait here’s an idea

Let’s assume N1 was scum-unknowingly-attempting-to-NK-scum

Who would you have nightkilled if you were scum, and why?

I would like to hold my answer until others play along if I may.

More answers to this please

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:25 pm Ooh wait here’s an idea

Let’s assume N1 was scum-unknowingly-attempting-to-NK-scum

Who would you have nightkilled if you were scum, and why?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:33 pm I would've killed WIlgy. Worst case scenario he dies and as he's a low-poster and the least active player, nothing from D1 would've tied me to it.

Well-reasoned answer. Civ.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:52 pm Hmm tough question. I wouldn't have killed Pou and DH. TH probably not also. Other than that not too sure, pretty much every one else would have been fair game.

Bad answer. Not a tough question for a civ because what does a civ have to lose by thinking like a scum? Basically salad and a non-committal answer for no reason. Scum

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:57 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:25 pm Ooh wait here’s an idea

Let’s assume N1 was scum-unknowingly-attempting-to-NK-scum

Who would you have nightkilled if you were scum, and why?
I suggested this earlier.

Would have killed Wilgy as well. If I am in total control of the kill, it's going to a non-participant.

Good answer marred slightly by DH offering the same exact rationale.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:23 pm I prolly woulda killed jack ; fearsome as town but also if he was on my team I'd wanna know about it.

Good answer; good reason.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:56 pm I would have probably killed wilgy. He doesn't usually post much or bring a lot to the table. No offense.

Decent answer but again, a bandwagon of sorts.

INH didn’t answer despite multiple posts, indicating reluctance.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:10 pm If anyone thinks I should change my mind, now would be a great time to make your case

Kill nova.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:26 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:59 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:52 pm Hmm tough question. I wouldn't have killed Pou and DH. TH probably not also. Other than that not too sure, pretty much every one else would have been fair game.
Bad answer. Not a tough question for a civ because what does a civ have to lose by thinking like a scum? Basically salad and a non-committal answer for no reason. Scum
This is dumb. It is a tough question because I'm not scum and I can't think like one on demand. As I said with the exception of those 3, I'd kill anybody.

I think it’s pretty easy to say “I’d kill JJJ because he’s supertown” or “I’d kill Big Rick because it would confuse the hell out of everybody.” Or any other reason you may have had as scum to kill someone that you can use to relate to this game’s dynamic should you be town. But it’s only hard if you actually ARE scum and struggle to answer in a way that is believable since you don’t want to admit to your actual thinking ...

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:28 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:01 pm INH didn’t answer despite multiple posts, indicating reluctance.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:10 pm If anyone thinks I should change my mind, now would be a great time to make your case
Kill nova.
No

Why not?

I wish more people had popped in but, yeah, nova’s answer is very scummy imo.

Been a while since Relentless Tunnel Colin has made an appearance, but it’s back on the menu.

Good

ColinIsCool
DharmaHelper
Sprityo
Turnip Head
Elohcin
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
insertnamehere
Quin
Jack
Speedchuck
Nova

Bad

The other side of that question, I guess, is that it sorta points to Wilgy being scum, but I’m not totally comfortable with that.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:08 am I think the focus needs to shift. I think y'all truat those you shouldn't.

Such as?

I voted Eloh, I like the cut of her jib.

I strongly suspect we’re being bamboozled by a consensus townread. They were the target on N1, and they are bad. DH or Speed or Jack.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:44 am Colin's exercise yesterday rubbed me the wrong way so I'm looking his way atm. idk if he'd kill the person he was planning on tunneling tho, seems counterproductive

Why did it rub you the wrong way?

And, yeah, I wouldn’t do that.

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