The Syndicate

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:08 am I am here, will catch up and post thoughts later today.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:32 am I appear to have come down with a fever. I don’t know what this will do to my activity. Probably no super in depth nonsense until I recover, but I won’t have much else to do but sit around on the internet.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:39 pm [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

He left the game long ago and didn't give me the villagery feeling he had in the inception game. I know he was 3rd part, but an independent can have towny posts easier than mafia.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:54 pm juliets bothers me.

She has 18 total posts. Very few of those posts are interactive questions. Rather, she's done two investigative style posts, one on Jack and half a one on nutella.

That is unnerving, because I'm used to seeing an engaged civilian juliets peppering people with questions and trying to piece things together. All of this feels like busy work. Even the conclusion on Jack is a weasel:

"Jack is very good at being scum. I need to think about and/or get feedback about my points above or other points about Jack but he is a possibility for my vote today."

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:08 pm I’m sorry I didn’t do anything, I misread and thought the phase ended today. About 1/3 of the way through the thread

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:32 pm Colin bad probably

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:38 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:31 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:39 pm [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

He left the game long ago and didn't give me the villagery feeling he had in the inception game. I know he was 3rd part, but an independent can have towny posts easier than mafia.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:13 pm Although before I caught up I misinterpreted nutella as scum and read the thread as such, so some of my thoughts are useless.

I feel best about sig, his NANOOK suspicion and case felt really genuine. I also really like just about everything I’ve seen from ted. I like Jay so far, and Epi.

The Michelle post I quoted earlier bugged me out, I’m not sure what it meant/if it makes any sense. I agree with Epi’s concerne toward juliets.

Radishes isn’t giving me the same exact vibe as he did when I sniffed him out as 3P in Inception, but it’s similar ...

Consecutive Colin posts. I highlight two things yellow, one from Michelle and one from Colin, that follow similar themes. They discuss Radish as a third party in the Inception game with some kind of implied impact upon present reads. Michelle declares her read with a vote. Colin declares nothing and leaves the ellipsis. That's not inspired.

The non-read aside, I don't know why you'd be confused (orange) by what Michelle said, Colin, given that you talked about the same thing immediately thereafter.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:27 pm Colin is probably the player I’ve driven the most mislynches against historically. I’m wary of that. None of his posts have stood out to me, but I’ve been operating at less than full capacity the last 72 hours.

G-man has been underwhelming. That becomes more suspicious the later we get into the game.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:35 pm I’m not bad, I’m bad at Mafia.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:00 pm I would gamble on there being at least one mafia in Colin/g-man/drago/tranq

At least a nickel, maybe even a whole 7 cents.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:43 pm Oh, and I really disliked Tony's vote D1. Not just because it was on me, but because it was late in the day on a complete off wagon, not with any convincing or anything, so it's not like he tried to make a lynch happen. Apart from that he's also played with me before, so he should be able to have an actual opinion on me. But the main thing is that it was off wagon and a throw away vote. Sloonei did that as scum (lone vote on me D1) when he was scum the last time I was town. Just saying.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:44 am I feel bad for colin in that I feel like people often don't get me either but his ISO doesn't make me feel good about him. He doesn't seem to be interested in keeping up with what's going on and trying to figure things out. He asked about jack and then didn't give any further thoughts on it.

Does TH always have short responses and ask other people to make reads for him? I know I've played with him before but I don't remember. I feel like he's been kind of providing reads without much explanation and asking others to tell him why someone is scummy.

Nanook has had a big change in his tone since coming back so he must be excited about the role he got. I don't know if that's a good thing or not because he seems like he was hoping to be mafia but could just be a more exciting role. I find it weird he made it a point to point out he didn't get a mafia role.

I don't know if I've seen a bad jay before? I thought he looked like his usual self and getting discussion going and making reads. Is he different when he's bad?

Good to see sloonei seems back to his usual self. Just has to start asking more questions and have more long ISO posts and we got the old sloonei back. (Glad you're feeling better) good post on radishes I'm not familiar with them and they don't seem to be familiar with a lot of people here either so that's a good point.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:58 am My plan B: play like shit and expect shades from wolves.

Is working?

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:51 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:25 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:28 pm @Sloonei you mentioned you had mislynched Colin in the past for similar behavior (I think that's what you said). Can you expound on that at all?

I don't know if I said "similar behavior", but what I've mislynched colin for in the past is his tendency to hang back and provide reads at his own pace. It's easy to misread that as a tentative, behind-the-action scum player, when in reality it's just been a behind-the-action civilian trying not to overstate his thoughts.

I have not looked closely at his posts in this game so I can't give you a detailed interpretation of what he looks like here. But that's my general warning against lynching Colin.

Thank you Sloonei that is helpful. I'll take another look at him and try to guard against reading him on a tendency to hang back and provide reads at his own pace.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:28 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:21 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:48 pm I'd rather kill Colin anyways, which is where my vote is going

This isn’t the worst take

It is, in fact, an excellent take

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:55 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:52 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:00 pm I would gamble on there being at least one mafia in Colin/g-man/drago/tranq

At least a nickel, maybe even a whole 7 cents.

Wanting to vote for 3 of the lowest posters = “I don’t want to have to make an argument against somebody”

It's hardly a controversial take though. The game is like almost 50 % scum. It would be a miracle if there was no scum there. Except G-man is town and tranq could be as well tbh. =p

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:17 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:14 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:51 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:25 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:28 pm @Sloonei you mentioned you had mislynched Colin in the past for similar behavior (I think that's what you said). Can you expound on that at all?

I don't know if I said "similar behavior", but what I've mislynched colin for in the past is his tendency to hang back and provide reads at his own pace. It's easy to misread that as a tentative, behind-the-action scum player, when in reality it's just been a behind-the-action civilian trying not to overstate his thoughts.

I have not looked closely at his posts in this game so I can't give you a detailed interpretation of what he looks like here. But that's my general warning against lynching Colin.

Thank you Sloonei that is helpful. I'll take another look at him and try to guard against reading him on a tendency to hang back and provide reads at his own pace.

juliets, I’ve been playing games with you since I signed up here, including recently. Why do you need Sloonei to tell you how I play?

Colin, don't take offense but I remember nothing about how you play. The only thing I remember is Inception where I mistakenly thought you were bad which I don't want to do again, but I don't remember why I thought you were bad. I plan to take another look there too though so I'm not just depending on Sloonei.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:20 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:19 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:28 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:21 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:48 pm I'd rather kill Colin anyways, which is where my vote is going

This isn’t the worst take

It is, in fact, an excellent take

PSA for the thread: when I get mislynched, take a gander at the people looking for my easy mislynch right off the bat, for ... “reasons”

The reason is that you’re playing scummy

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:59 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:52 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:47 pm I do not think Colin is a very good lynch today.

Why though? I like all the people voting him right now.

Kneejerk reaction. I've been on the wrong end of too many Colin mislynches when he's played similar to how he is here in the past. I have not looked closely at him yet in this game, but my impulse is to resist the urge to lynch Colin for being low key.

also tangentially related, i thought there were more votes on him right now because nanook's name is so long.

It’s not for being low key, it’s for being disinterested in a game where scum don’t really need to drive much early. Like his game has followed the preferred scum pattern so far.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:16 pm To elucidate the difference, I recall Colin being like a dog with a bone in the game I saw him as town (I think the wire, not 100% sure), whereas this game he’s a bit more drifty. I don’t recall him being much more active than in this game. That seems like enough of a difference to me to run with

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:34 pm Looking at Colin:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:08 pm I’m sorry I didn’t do anything, I misread and thought the phase ended today. About 1/3 of the way through the thread

Starting right here, one of the points that's been drilled into my head is that scum Colin cares about not letting down his teammates. Town Colin is free to drift more casually into the game. A post like this one strikes me as being much more likely to come from town Colin than scum Colin.
This is not to say that town Colin doesn't care, just that a town player is under less immediately pressure to make an impact.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:13 pm Although before I caught up I misinterpreted nutella as scum and read the thread as such, so some of my thoughts are useless.

I feel best about sig, his NANOOK suspicion and case felt really genuine. I also really like just about everything I’ve seen from ted. I like Jay so far, and Epi.

The Michelle post I quoted earlier bugged me out, I’m not sure what it meant/if it makes any sense. I agree with Epi’s concerne toward juliets.

Radishes isn’t giving me the same exact vibe as he did when I sniffed him out as 3P in Inception, but it’s similar ...

Other people have called Colin out for this post. I would also like to know more about what he saw/thought he saw in the particular Michelle post. I'm not claiming to understand this post completely, but it is the type of town-colin post I've misidentified in the past. He's plopping a few reads down without much detail or force and then bouncing off. In the past I've read that as a player who is trying to keep away from the spotlight. Instead I think it's a player who's participating in the capacity that he's able to without being bothered by how that will be received.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:40 pm Remember folks:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:35 pm I’m not bad, I’m bad at Mafia.

This post has also got him some flak, but I again read it as a sing of town colin. He's literally quoting himself from a past game in which he was town, for one. I don't think scum colin is going to go for this sort of emotional/historical manipulation.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:14 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:51 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:25 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:28 pm @Sloonei you mentioned you had mislynched Colin in the past for similar behavior (I think that's what you said). Can you expound on that at all?

I don't know if I said "similar behavior", but what I've mislynched colin for in the past is his tendency to hang back and provide reads at his own pace. It's easy to misread that as a tentative, behind-the-action scum player, when in reality it's just been a behind-the-action civilian trying not to overstate his thoughts.

I have not looked closely at his posts in this game so I can't give you a detailed interpretation of what he looks like here. But that's my general warning against lynching Colin.

Thank you Sloonei that is helpful. I'll take another look at him and try to guard against reading him on a tendency to hang back and provide reads at his own pace.

juliets, I’ve been playing games with you since I signed up here, including recently. Why do you need Sloonei to tell you how I play?

I like this question and it's consistent with a thread colin's been tugging at re: juliets since early on in the game.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:24 pm See my recent post for why I’m placing a vote on [VOTE: Tony] aubergine for now.

The only thing I see that could indicate why this vote exists is that colin referred to a random number generator? That's not super inspiring. I'd rather see a vote for juliets or michelle, for instance.

I remain inclined to town-read Colin and will defend him. I am fully aware that I have a bias (reverse bias?) to defend him right now because I have been guilty of misreading him in just about every game we've played together in recent memory. But I also need to hear more from Colin to believe fully in this read. @ColinIsCool can you tell us more about Michelle and juliets? Even if you are not currently suspicious of them, it appears that you have been at some point in this game. What prompted that, and how have those reads developed?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:46 pm Also excuse me but vote analysis can still be done. For example, people voting nutella over radishes are slightly higher chance to be scum.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:53 pm It doesn’t work that way! Interest can be gestured at and pinpointed, disinterest cannot. Disinterest is an overarching lack of interest, it isn’t an active thing in and of itself.

It’s like saying “god isn’t real because he didn’t respond to prayers X Y and Z,” but then you can just say “well he did fulfill prayers A B and C.” You can’t prove the lack of something, you can’t point to one specific thing that indicates it, you can only say “I can’t point to anything that makes me believe in God’s existence/Colin being interested in finding scum, thus I do not believe in God/Colin being interested in finding scum.”

So if I had to point at a post, I’d point at all of them and say nothing makes me believe that Colin is engaged in this game in a townie way.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:46 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:16 pm To elucidate the difference, I recall Colin being like a dog with a bone in the game I saw him as town (I think the wire, not 100% sure), whereas this game he’s a bit more drifty. I don’t recall him being much more active than in this game. That seems like enough of a difference to me to run with

So NANOOK, prior I didn’t see any other mention of colin or a suspicion until this post. This was after you had said colin was a baddie.

And there is truly no other player you have a better or any reason to suspect at the moment? Given your post amount, I’m positive you can do better.

Also where NANOOK and juliets were talking pinged me slightly, not sure why

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:18 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:57 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:43 pm Oh, and I really disliked Tony's vote D1. Not just because it was on me, but because it was late in the day on a complete off wagon, not with any convincing or anything, so it's not like he tried to make a lynch happen. Apart from that he's also played with me before, so he should be able to have an actual opinion on me. But the main thing is that it was off wagon and a throw away vote. Sloonei did that as scum (lone vote on me D1) when he was scum the last time I was town. Just saying.

Love this point, that stuff is almost always shady.

This is opposite to the perspective evil Colin expressed on this off-wagon voting theory in Ancient Greece Mafia.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:00 pm I don't know if I've ever seen a bad turnip.

Go to that link in one of my posts to his posts in Firefly where he was bad. He is radically different to me here than there.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:47 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:24 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:36 am

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:31 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:40 pm Remember folks:

This is yucky!

Why?

“Me? Why be concerned with silly old me? I just don’t have the constitution to be bad”

He is quoting himself from a previous game in which he was town.

I don't care?
It's a pretty bad post.

Additionally, he was my theory that I mentioned earlier. He's failed his test miserably.

Why don’t you care? This is direct evidence that that post can and does exist alongside a civilian version of ColinIsCool. You can’t just throw a blanket over that and call it bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:58 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:56 pm Still think Tony is bad tbh. One of you freaks that’s always asking for more ISOs to do, go check him out

Any beefs beyond the off-wagon vote?

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:57 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:36 pm
juliets, I just find myself asking questions of her play, which is a lot of asking questions. Sometimes (like in the exchange I quoted) it looks like she’s looking for someone to tell her how to feel so that she can take cover under the thoughts of others, but now I’m getting kinda tinfoilly. I would lean scum I think all the same.

Re: Tony, see the post Dizzy made that I quoted.

Colin, see Epi's post about me earlier this game. He was complaining because he thought I wasn't asking questions. I ask a lot of questions because that's how I process information. Also, I look at all sides of things and try to weigh all the evidence before I vote for someone and that drives questions. In RL people make fun of me for asking so many, or get annoyed by me at times (mostly bosses who think I don't know my place, lol). I'm not interested in taking cover in the thoughts of others. Have you seen me do that this game? How much easier do you think it would have been for me to just agree with the majority of people about Master Radishes instead of standing up for what I believed? Have you not seen me ask a lot of questions in other games you have played with me?

So, so far I am too nice, I don't ask enough questions, and I ask too many questions, lol.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:03 pm Of the present multi-vote wagons (Colin, Mac, Radish) I think Radish is the best lynch.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:11 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:05 pm juliets, re: that post (the tag feature is finnicky on mobile) — I don’t really remember. If I was “more active” it couldn’t have been by much at all, I’ve been pretty low-key in games for a long time now.

All I can attest to is Nanook perceived you were on him like a dog with a bone. I'm not saying that's evidence that your game there was different than here, to me it just says Nanook's feeling here is genuine, whether it's true or not. I hope that makes sense.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:14 pm Colin is bad because he never really caught up but is posting like he did.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:22 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:19 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:14 pm Colin is bad because he never really caught up but is posting like he did.

Dom is bad because he got a bad rolecard. See, I can do this too!

Whatever you may think of it, what Dom said there is a concrete accusation. Your mockery is not.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:26 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:16 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:11 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:05 pm juliets, re: that post (the tag feature is finnicky on mobile) — I don’t really remember. If I was “more active” it couldn’t have been by much at all, I’ve been pretty low-key in games for a long time now.

All I can attest to is Nanook perceived you were on him like a dog with a bone. I'm not saying that's evidence that your game there was different than here, to me it just says Nanook's feeling here is genuine, whether it's true or not. I hope that makes sense.

Yeah I get you.

FWIW of those voting for me, NANOOK’s beef feels most earnest. Turbup and Dom less so.

Although I will concede that Dom is right that me quoting myself is not evidence of anything, and I didn’t post it as such.

....what's your point in posting it?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:19 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:14 pm Colin is bad because he never really caught up but is posting like he did.

Dom is bad because he got a bad rolecard. See, I can do this too!

This... is... not comparable to what I said.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:32 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:03 pm Of the present multi-vote wagons (Colin, Mac, Radish) I think Radish is the best lynch.

I am inclined to agree with this. Tonally I do feel like Radishes is playing a similar game to Inception. Also, question for him or for the thread, but when he ISO’d a bunch of people nobody else was talking about, why did he pick those people? Was it prompted?

They were the wagon voters on me last round, ergo potential scum slots.

If I sound similar to Inception, are you saying I'm 3P again?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:44 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:42 pm Yeah okay. Enjoy your Mac free paradise Dom. Typical shit.

What the fuck is this?

You know exactly what this is.

No seriously, what is this? Is angry!Mac a thing? Never seen it before.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:18 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:10 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:05 am Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:21 am I also want to go on record that I’m disappointed nobody acknowledged that I randomly told Drago that sprityo is confirmed town. Like I was expecting him or anyone to pick that up and do something with it, I thought it be interesting but now it’s past. Maybe Drago just accepted it and is going to operate in this game with the assumption that sprit is town.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:28 pm If G-Man's not scum I will let Karen leave me and also take the kids willingly