The Syndicate

Austria

I suck at role playing things I don't know so don't expect me to

I want to vote for Mac for not putting the poll in alphabetical order.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:23 am Now that the game has begun in earnest, I have a few questions:

1) Can anyone give me a rundown of what's normal to expect from Lady LambdaDelta, Michelle, sabie12, and TonyStarkPrime? I played one or two games with Sabie, but that was a while ago. I may have played once with Tony, but I will have to go back and check the master spreadsheet. The other two are new to me. Are these usually talkative or quiet? How they cool, calm, and collected, or are they more emotional with their posts? I don't want their newness to me leaving me focused too much on the devils I know.

2) When do most of you see yourselves as able to vote in the poll? Given that the game is running on some form of Australia time, how can we best structure our discussions? There's an awful lot of overnight for many of us right before the deadline. Let's not fall into the trap of delay and panic. We must also be careful to watch out for late phase manipulation for the same time zone reasons. We cannot just make a hard push in the North American time zones in the evening and just assume things will remain the same the final hours while we sleep. Vigilance, folks. Vigilance.

3) Since both @Dom and @Quin are both playing another murder mystery game set in Australia, are we going to see an epic sequel to their Mad Max dueling? :grin

G!!!



I'm pretty unfamiliar with the newbs too. But Mad Max brought back some good memories.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:23 am G-man self meta is lame so I will let Jack to talk about my meta, I played with him more than with the others, as both alignaments.

I like this post.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:55 pm I’m going to [VOTE: Dom] aubergine and see what happens.

All the players I’m least confident in reading aren’t here yet.

the fuck?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:03 pm Dom is easy though

Don't talk about my personal life like that.


...y'all are obsessed with me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:28 pm @DFaraday

You have a history of missing day phases and ending games with under 10 posts. I understand that irl stuff happens but It has become a pattern.

I would absolutely love to play a mafia game with you but that’s going to require you to play a mafia game with me as well.

Please post.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that was -ing this post.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:54 pm tbh I thought the "guy who tends to get himself lynched all on his own" was a reference to Dom.

which dom do you play with?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:16 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:54 pm tbh I thought the "guy who tends to get himself lynched all on his own" was a reference to Dom.

which dom do you play with?

I should clarify that I thought jack was talking about you because that's where his vote was. I have no comment on whether or not I would agree with that assessment of you.

So you commented on something you have no comment on?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:24 pm @Dom

Why is that post suspicious?

What was your aim?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:25 pm Dom doesn’t get himself lynched.

When was the last time Dom got lynched at all? DF gets lynched practically every game.

I'm unclear as to what you point is.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:07 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:24 pm @Dom

Why is that post suspicious?

What was your aim?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:25 pm Dom doesn’t get himself lynched.

When was the last time Dom got lynched at all? DF gets lynched practically every game.

I'm unclear as to what you point is.

To get DF to post. Because he doesn’t. And I don’t want to roll the dice on his alignment. I want him to play.

Again, why is it suspicious?

My point is two people said they though I was talking about you and I wasn’t. Clearing that up.

Whats your point in Dom never gets lynched vs DF always does?

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:35 am did I understood correct, Jack is suspicious because he pinged a low poster to play?

I'd like to find out if he is suspicious for doing so.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:53 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:51 pm Cheers, dingoes ate my baby, didgeridoo!

I can’t read anyone so I’m not going to pretend to try.

what're you gonna do instead?

Hopefully play the way I used to: Look at inconsistencies in players' statements, observe voting patterns (if I live that long), and examine how effects of role abilities could be linked to specific players.

My initial comment meant "I can't read anyone's meta." I've never been any good at differentiating a player's town game from their scum game, so I mostly just approach every player on a game by game basis.

I'd love to see the old DF back.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:12 am After catching up, I don't feel super strong about most of the field so far, but Nutella is a standout as seeming towny to me. She's offering thoughts on a lot of players, asking questions, not being waffly.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:20 am Why would I fucking buddy DF even if I was a wolf? There’s only about a 25% chance he even votes today.

I don’t believe you believe the things you are saying.

Gonna go ahead and vote [VOTE: Jack] aubergine for now.

But this ain't it. Do you even remember what nutella was like?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:32 am @Sloonei all of your posts so far are entirely devoid of spice. I see no real takes. I want takes

You want takes?
On what?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:07 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:24 pm @Dom

Why is that post suspicious?

What was your aim?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:25 pm Dom doesn’t get himself lynched.

When was the last time Dom got lynched at all? DF gets lynched practically every game.

I'm unclear as to what you point is.

To get DF to post. Because he doesn’t. And I don’t want to roll the dice on his alignment. I want him to play.

Again, why is it suspicious?

My point is two people said they though I was talking about you and I wasn’t. Clearing that up.

Whats your point in Dom never gets lynched vs DF always does?

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:35 am did I understood correct, Jack is suspicious because he pinged a low poster to play?

I'd like to find out if he is suspicious for doing so.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:53 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:51 pm Cheers, dingoes ate my baby, didgeridoo!

I can’t read anyone so I’m not going to pretend to try.

what're you gonna do instead?

Hopefully play the way I used to: Look at inconsistencies in players' statements, observe voting patterns (if I live that long), and examine how effects of role abilities could be linked to specific players.

My initial comment meant "I can't read anyone's meta." I've never been any good at differentiating a player's town game from their scum game, so I mostly just approach every player on a game by game basis.

I'd love to see the old DF back.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:12 am After catching up, I don't feel super strong about most of the field so far, but Nutella is a standout as seeming towny to me. She's offering thoughts on a lot of players, asking questions, not being waffly.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:20 am Why would I fucking buddy DF even if I was a wolf? There’s only about a 25% chance he even votes today.

I don’t believe you believe the things you are saying.

Gonna go ahead and vote [VOTE: Jack] aubergine for now.

But this ain't it. Do you even remember what nutella was like?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:32 am @Sloonei all of your posts so far are entirely devoid of spice. I see no real takes. I want takes

You want takes?
On what?

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:12 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:03 pm Dom is easy though

Don't talk about my personal life like that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:11 am [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine for now. I’m absolutely not getting lynched because I asked DF to play. Asinine.

I like this vote.

Jack-- talk to me about Long Con.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:17 am

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:12 am After catching up, I don't feel super strong about most of the field so far, but Nutella is a standout as seeming towny to me. She's offering thoughts on a lot of players, asking questions, not being waffly.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:20 am Why would I fucking buddy DF even if I was a wolf? There’s only about a 25% chance he even votes today.

I don’t believe you believe the things you are saying.

Gonna go ahead and vote [VOTE: Jack] aubergine for now.

Nutella’s town meta is being waffley and when asked to back up her opinions, she’s like “lol idk” and she’s not even really asking questions but making false statements.

Is that indicative of her mafia meta, though?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:18 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:26 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:54 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:50 am [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:24 pm Hey everyone! I hope we're not all acting Australian somehow, because I don't know how to do that and I'd end up going Crocodile Dundee.

Because this is his only post and it’s nothing at all.

Hey, don't vote me! We're voting Jack.

lol I wanted to question your sheeping of me but this is legit, you can have a townread

This game is a joke right? Everyone high giving and giving townreads to scummy players. Wtf?

I don't like the LC/nutella interaction either.
So-- which is worse, nutella or LC?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:20 am [VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Stupid Sloonei frisbee votes.

I'm unclear on a clear rationale as to why you're voting nutella. Can you explain it linearly?

Why nutella over LC?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:27 am @Dom
I said the equivalent of “Vote Dom. Please play, DF. He has a bearded dude avatar.” Two people were like “I thought you meant Dom’s avatar.” And I’m just like “Um...Dom’s avatar doesn’t even have a beard.” And now you’re grilling me on the importance of the relative beards of your avatars and why I felt the need to compare them.

I need you and @nutella and @Long Con and @DFaraday to explain with actual words, without saying “idk” or “kinda” or “maybe,” exactly what is suspicious about me pinging a guy who doesn’t average a single post per day, and asking him to actually play the game.

Explain to me the wolf motivation or whatever.

At least one of you is a wolf struck by the false idea that I can be lynched. If it ain’t you, back up your shit.

I can see a baddie setting this up as "see, i engaged with him, he said he would, he didn't. avoidance!"
I think pressure on you isn't a bad thing. You're not infallable.

Talk to me about some hot takes.

Specifically about LC vs. nutella

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:30 am If you changed your mind on me, that’s not an excuse. I want answers.

I gave you some.

You aren't infallible. Why should I just trust you?

Drop the arrogance and engage with me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:31 am Let's look at nutella. I'll iso her

"Let's not respond to Jack's questions"

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:45 am

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:34 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:30 am If you changed your mind on me, that’s not an excuse. I want answers.

I gave you some.

You aren't infallible. Why should I just trust you?

Drop the arrogance and engage with me.

Infallible implies I’m making a mistake. As a wolf? What mistake am I making? As a townie? Then what’s your point?

You're being pedantic.

I'm trying to engage with you on the level. I'm saying if you're a civvie, you're not perfect so drop the act and just talk to people.

I think both LC and Jack don’t look great here.

Jack— you’re doing the exact thing LC just accused you of.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

]Sloonei[/mention]

Maybe I missed it, but why are you voting LC?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:29 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:28 pm Jack— you’re doing the exact thing LC just accused you of.

Which is what?

You filled the thread with more filler bullshit

Now... your posts don't reek.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:04 pm Some Tony things:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:19 am I haven’t played a game with a setup like this is a while lemme recap for myself. Three bad lynches allowed, find scum within six days.

Why does this post exist? Michelle also called him out for this but my beef is slightly different. It's not that he's doing math, it's that he's putting these words into the thread. They're isolated, not really attached to or inviting in any further discussion. He just plopped some cursory mechanical chatter into the thread and moved on.

His progression on Dom also looks strange. Is strange bad? Let's see.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:48 pm I don't want to lynch Dom right now. That makes me paranoid.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:07 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:10 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?

I think he's town. He's doing his typical thing of gathered reactions to lots of little things.

Okay thanks for your opinion.

anyone want to dissent?

I do not know what the initial stance on Dom is supposed to reflect. Do Tony and Dom have a particular history together where the former tends to suspect the latter? He then calls on nutella to offer her allegedly expert read, indicating that Tony doesn't have a particular history with Dom, but then beckons anyone else to disagree with her. In all of this, Tony has done nothing resembling independent work to read Dom. He has observed Dom's presence in the game and asked a specific player to comment on it, then he has sought dissenting opinions all across Australia.

What is your read on Dom, Tony? Does something stand out about him one way or the other? Why are you so interested in him here?

No.

And I don't like that I didn't see a response to this.
[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Spicy

RIP Tony. :/ Shit

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:17 pm That sudden late surge of Tony votes wasn't suspicious at all.

You got something to say?
Say it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:05 pm Yeah, if the Tony lynch was uniquely scum orchestrated it means that both Jack and nutella are bad. Nah.

There could easily be one or two bad guys on any of the wagons though. I come out of this lynch feeling worse about Michelle.

You were the one who convinced me that Tony looked bad.

...you don't have to listen to Sloonei.

I assessed the situation incorrectly. But I did that. Sloonei didn't.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:32 pm Note: Lady LambdaDelta is also a player in this game.

I'd err on the side of civ reading her tbh.

That's not my name.

I don't recall civvie Jack being so arrogant.

Though, I also dont' recall if I've played with baddie Jack.

Hey guys I wanted to check in.

I really didn't feel great today and didn't read much of the thread. I hope to be feeling better tomorrow.

xoxo gossip queer

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:31 am Not caught up yet, but here’s a thought: why did the Tony train develop?

Both Tony and Jack were civvie, leaving nutella as the only unknown from Day 1. Here are some scenarios:

1. Nutella is civvie. The baddies don’t need to offer a third option when the two lead trains are mislynches. Work smarter, not harder. The Tony train was a civvie concoction with one or two baddies following the civvies’ leads.

2. Nutella is a civvie. The baddies launch the Tony train because Jack v. nutella grew stale. Not necessary, but the Jack kill could steer us toward a Day 2 mislynch by focusing on nutella.

3. Nutella is a baddie. The Tony train was started by civvies, and one or two baddies were willing to pad the poll to avoid a randomized tie-breaker after momentum against Jack stalled.

4. Nutella is a baddie. Sensing the pressure on Jack lightening, the baddies launch the Tony train in the hopes of creating a late-phase mislynch at best, and a messy situation involving last-minute vote-hopping at worst.

Consider each scenario. Who are your three baddies in each one?

I still feel like crap but I will do my best.

1. sabie is bad. Maybe Michelle. Maybe LC.
2. sabie is bad. Sloonei is bad. I look not great here too. Neither does Epi or Michelle.
3. Sabie and Michelle are bad. Nutella is their partner.
4. Epi/Sloonei are nutella's partners.

But that doesn't account for non voters, G-Man. And I'm not sure how I feel about you.


And I didn't quite account for baddies voting on nutella.

IDK how I feel about Quin.


Common threads of my list:
-Sabie
-Michelle
-Sloonei

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:57 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:21 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:31 am Not caught up yet, but here’s a thought: why did the Tony train develop?

Both Tony and Jack were civvie, leaving nutella as the only unknown from Day 1. Here are some scenarios:

1. Nutella is civvie. The baddies don’t need to offer a third option when the two lead trains are mislynches. Work smarter, not harder. The Tony train was a civvie concoction with one or two baddies following the civvies’ leads.

2. Nutella is a civvie. The baddies launch the Tony train because Jack v. nutella grew stale. Not necessary, but the Jack kill could steer us toward a Day 2 mislynch by focusing on nutella.

3. Nutella is a baddie. The Tony train was started by civvies, and one or two baddies were willing to pad the poll to avoid a randomized tie-breaker after momentum against Jack stalled.

4. Nutella is a baddie. Sensing the pressure on Jack lightening, the baddies launch the Tony train in the hopes of creating a late-phase mislynch at best, and a messy situation involving last-minute vote-hopping at worst.

Consider each scenario. Who are your three baddies in each one?

I still feel like crap but I will do my best.

1. sabie is bad. Maybe Michelle. Maybe LC.
2. sabie is bad. Sloonei is bad. I look not great here too. Neither does Epi or Michelle.
3. Sabie and Michelle are bad. Nutella is their partner.
4. Epi/Sloonei are nutella's partners.

Which scenario do you find most likely?

One or three. I'm feeling like 40% chance of either one.

Sabie and Michelle are the common threads there.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

for now.

G-Man-- do you have any current takes?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:33 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:13 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:43 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:39 pm Hmmm the plot thickens. Jack and tony both felt pretty confidently that nutella was bad and now they both have flipped civ. I've been iffy on nutella from the beginning and am inclined to believe maybe tony and jack were right about her. Putting my vote there for now.[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Sounds like it was you. [VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Sounds like what was me? You also had thought jack and tony were potentially bad. I was saying tony and Jack both suspected nutella maybe we should consider they could have been right about her.

You killed Jack in order to frame nutella.

Kind of insulting that you think I'm that dumb. Maybe Im wrong on my read of nutella but if I killed jack why would I be that stupid obvious about it? And what motivation would I have to do so when I probably would have ended up voting jack because I thought he was bad. The only thing I'm bad at this game is reads so far which I'm not the only one.

I think you should try the wine in front of you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:49 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:42 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:33 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:13 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:43 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:39 pm Hmmm the plot thickens. Jack and tony both felt pretty confidently that nutella was bad and now they both have flipped civ. I've been iffy on nutella from the beginning and am inclined to believe maybe tony and jack were right about her. Putting my vote there for now.[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Sounds like it was you. [VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Sounds like what was me? You also had thought jack and tony were potentially bad. I was saying tony and Jack both suspected nutella maybe we should consider they could have been right about her.

You killed Jack in order to frame nutella.

Kind of insulting that you think I'm that dumb. Maybe Im wrong on my read of nutella but if I killed jack why would I be that stupid obvious about it? And what motivation would I have to do so when I probably would have ended up voting jack because I thought he was bad. The only thing I'm bad at this game is reads so far which I'm not the only one.

I think you should try the wine in front of you.

Do you believe Sabie killed Jack for the purpose of framing nutella?

Are you intentionally twisting my words or nah?

I didn't say that.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:52 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:10 pmLC seems to be putting in little effort this game so I'm not sure about him. I thought he usually did more but maybe that's his usual?

If I am going to put effort in, it's usually mid-game. My early game is not that dense.

Lowkey--

Let's say we dont lynch a baddie today.
Then the baddies are lke 30% of the game.
And we don't the next day?
They're suddenly 50% of the game...

In a small game like this, when does the "middle" happen?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:22 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:49 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:42 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:33 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:13 am

Sounds like what was me? You also had thought jack and tony were potentially bad. I was saying tony and Jack both suspected nutella maybe we should consider they could have been right about her.

You killed Jack in order to frame nutella.

Kind of insulting that you think I'm that dumb. Maybe Im wrong on my read of nutella but if I killed jack why would I be that stupid obvious about it? And what motivation would I have to do so when I probably would have ended up voting jack because I thought he was bad. The only thing I'm bad at this game is reads so far which I'm not the only one.

I think you should try the wine in front of you.

Do you believe Sabie killed Jack for the purpose of framing nutella?

Are you intentionally twisting my words or nah?

I am doing nothing with your words. I am asking you a question. Why do you think Jack was killed? Do you think sabie is implicated in Jack's death? There, I split it up into two questions.

I think it's a circular argument.
That was my original point.
Was that not clear?

I'm not sure how we can discern much of anything from it yet.

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:56 pm @G-Man what has been your mindset while compiling these ISOs? What are you looking for or hoping to achieve?

Nosing around to see what looks bad in isolation and then seeing if reading it all in context changes any of my perceptions.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:41 pm G-Man-- do you have any current takes?

I think the 'sabie killed Jack to frame nutella' narrative is naive and too simple to be right. I think that anyone who has played a few games anywhere has matured beyond such a setup. That doesn't excuse her from suspicion, but sometimes Occam can stick his razor where the Sun doesn't shine.

Also, I am surprised that sabie and Sloonei are the only players so far to have anything close to a strong reaction to my ISO's.

I'd like to know what you think your ISOs mean.

Sloonei-- my meaning was clear.

Why are you trying to assign it meaning it clearly did not have?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:52 pm also yes i am using a list of slang in this game because contrary to popular belief people below the above of 73 do not fucking talk like this

I read this three times and still don't know what it means

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:57 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:51 pm Sloonei-- my meaning was clear.

Why are you trying to assign it meaning it clearly did not have?

I literally just asked you a question. I'm not trying to assign meaning to anything. I am looking for you to provide your own meaning. I did not understand what you were saying to sabie. Your initial post seemed accusatory towards her, so I wanted to follow up on that.

What is your read on sabie?

Maybe I'm not being clear-- I'm looking at nutella, sabie, and Michelle today.


I have voted Michelle for the time being.

G--
I guess my concern is that a lot of your isos are out of date.
Like.. I get you're trying to iso everyone, but you're not really doing much when you're just posting about old posts and not really engaging in current ones.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:06 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:03 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:57 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:51 pm Sloonei-- my meaning was clear.

Why are you trying to assign it meaning it clearly did not have?

I literally just asked you a question. I'm not trying to assign meaning to anything. I am looking for you to provide your own meaning. I did not understand what you were saying to sabie. Your initial post seemed accusatory towards her, so I wanted to follow up on that.

What is your read on sabie?

Maybe I'm not being clear-- I'm looking at nutella, sabie, and Michelle today.


I have voted Michelle for the time being.

Yes, but why? What are the main points against each of them? Is there anything you see in any of them that makes you think they could be town?

I feel like I went through this with four scenarios earlier today. Didn't you prompt that?

Nah-- G did.

That puts G higher in my read list in a good way.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:02 pm Dom:

Long multi-quote post #1. Highlights include:
Soft support of Michelle
Inquisitive response to Jack's vote and 's his DF prod

Grills Jack x2

Long multi-quote post #2:
Continued Jack grilling
Clarification RE: stance on Jack; attempting to develop a read. Good look, backed up by content.
Disagrees with DF's nutella vote
Prods nutella
Good sequence of interactions in this post, A+ for Dom.

Long multi-quote post #3:
Supports Jack and his vote for Long Con
Engages with Jack on a discussion about nutella
Continued commentary on nutella/LC with Jack.
Dom looks to be genuinely trying to interact with Jack and to develop reads alongside him. I like the optics of this post as well.

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:18 pm I think both LC and Jack don’t look great here.

After a series of posts where Dom tries to engage Jack in discussion of the above reads, something has happened which turns Dom's view of Jack into a definitively bad one. He had not gone so far as to express a town read on Jack earlier, but the tone of his posts was conversational, suggesting that he was giving him the benefit of doubt. This marks the first clear indication of read on Jack in a while. The read appears to be very fluid, which is a good thing again.

Here I am interpreting "now your posts don't reek" as an affirmative town read on Jack towards the end of Day 1. He accompanies this with a vote for Tony after responding to my case on him. I commented during the night that this vote didn't feel like it carried the weight of a final vote, but it stayed. The odd deadline time may have had something to do with it. I maintain a little bit of skepticism here, but as this is the most prominent negative position I have been able to take towards Dom so far, I'm not assigning it much weight. I don't object to the vote itself, I just wish there was more to it. He would later own the vote.

And now we're back at today and the present reads which we've just been talking about. I would still like to hear more about how they developed, not because I doubt their authenticity, but because I trust Dom's voice right now and the more he can tell us about his thoughts the better off we'll be.

I think that sabie is slippery in general. She has underplayed herself this game, and I think wants us to think she's too naive to play well. She plays into the wifom argument as if that will exonerate her. I think sabie is a better player than that, and that she's deliberately underselling herself here. Why? Why would a civilian do that?
A baddie might do it to hide behind perceived incompetence or naiveté.

Michelle? I haven't seen much of a progression in her thoughts, but I generally tend to struggle to read her. I tend to empathize a lot with her with her second language struggles, and give her the benefit of the doubt in her communications if there seems to be a misunderstanding. That being said, the timing of her Tony vote was not great. With that being said as well, I do not know if her slip that Epi is picking up on is really a "slip". I'm usually one to jump on something like that and harp on it until I get my way or I'm dead... but I struggle with Michelle. I know how hard it can be to communicate with a second language, especially with all the euphemisms that exist in Mafia. I'd like to hear more from Sabie and see how she reacts to pressure before I commit to this vote, though.

Nutella? I mean, Jack's dead. And she isn't waffling as much as I'd like.

Now for some other takes...

Sloonei-- I generally haven't liked his play today, but I'm not voting there. Why? I think he's being accusatory and I don't understand his motivations. Maybe I'm just moody today, but it feels snippy and un-sloonei-like.

DFaraday-- I'd like to see more from him. TBH, he got a lot of cred from Jack being civ, but it's pretty unearned. I don't think he should be able to coast on this for long.

Dom-- supatown

Epignosis-- I'd like to hear more from, but I will lean civ for now because of his Michelle thoughts.

G-Man-- unsure. But he goes up for the 4 scenarios post.

Lambda-- Lack of content=I think she is burnt out from another game. Though-- this might be NAI

LC-- I'd like more from him. He's hiding behind "early game" when this game could lylo pretty quick. And I don't like how he followed nutella so quickly into voting Jack. I could vote for him today, tbh.

Quin-- Sigh. More content, please. Please.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:47 am Again I'm not reading.

Hur de dur

But:

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:43 pm Yeah I especially don't like the post Gman called the worst from sabie. Saying she was equally okay with lynching all three of the mislynch candidates on d1 doesn't look good at all in hindsight. And in her recent posts I still get the sense she is using the jack and tony flips to set me up as the next ML.

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

"Equally okay with lynching all three of the mislynch candidates?"

What the hell does that mean?

How does it mean anything in hindsight?

tbh i'm confused by this post and nutella's.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:56 am Dom, you aren't going to hear more from me. I am in rehearsals. I trust Sloonei and will do so until I decide it isn't prudent.

Whatcha rehearsing for?
...on topic...

Why do you trust Sloonei so much?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:57 am I am effectively making Sloonei's vote worth two until have a reason not to do that.

Why?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:59 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:47 am Again I'm not reading.

Hur de dur

But:

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:43 pm Yeah I especially don't like the post Gman called the worst from sabie. Saying she was equally okay with lynching all three of the mislynch candidates on d1 doesn't look good at all in hindsight. And in her recent posts I still get the sense she is using the jack and tony flips to set me up as the next ML.

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

"Equally okay with lynching all three of the mislynch candidates?"

What the hell does that mean?

How does it mean anything in hindsight?

This post:

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:33 am I have suspicions on all three of the people with votes. In looking through Tony's posts a lot of his focus is on jack. He makes it a point to say "if I'm nightkilled jack is scum" and that he needs a few days to figure him out subtle ways of saying dont lynch me im town without actually saying it. When he was mafia in the past his main focus of discussion was his own teammates so if they got killed off he could be like see I'm not bad. Ive seen jack do this as well. Also his post making it a point to say how many mislynches we can have was a little sketchy. I see a lot of fair points on him and he hasnt done much to counteract these points.

Jack I've expressed my suspicion on him. There's a fair amount of back and forth discussion on him but I'm still leaning towards thinking he is mafia.

Nutella can be very difficult to read as she does often follow the waves of the thread but her response to things so far hasn't made me feel confident about her being town.

This day 1 is hard there are fair points on all three. Voting tony as I feel worst about him and his efforts thus far.

imo it's not a good look now knowing jack and tony were both town (and also knowing I myself am town) -- with three town wagons on d1 the mafia would be fine with any but try to look like they have a reason for voting one over the others

OK.
I'll chew on that.

Let's say sabie isn't in the game.

Why do we lynch and why?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:01 am

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:57 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:56 am Dom, you aren't going to hear more from me. I am in rehearsals. I trust Sloonei and will do so until I decide it isn't prudent.

Whatcha rehearsing for?
...on topic...

Why do you trust Sloonei so much?

To get better any make sure everybody knows their parts and...Jesus Dom, don't you do shows?

I trust Sloonei because the mafia will kill him if he is good. They will have no choice. He will make them kill him. If he stays alive, I can reevaluate.

Spoiler: show

For real, we're performing Andrew Peterson's "Behold the Lamb of God" and a bunch of other songs.

Nice!

Yeah... I don't buy this, though.
Why Sloonei?

"I have no time"

*Here's a minute detail that you probably missed in a player's post*

Which is true?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:05 am If you are a civilian, just ignore my existence. I'm not going to be around to make a difference.

You, of all people, know I'm not buying that with any coupon you give me, sweetheart.

Nutella's post on epi/LC felt very authentic and makes a lot of sense.

I'd like some more analysis from her going forward.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention], since Epi is going to be a total dud in terms of any useful interaction with me, what do you think of the reads I gave?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:08 am

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:05 am If you are a civilian, just ignore my existence. I'm not going to be around to make a difference.

You, of all people, know I'm not buying that with any coupon you give me, sweetheart.

Never use the term "sweetheart" and "coupon" the same sentence with me, snookums. I may be cheap, but I'm not free.

Honey, you might as well be free.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:12 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:10 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:07 am But nutella is voting sabie (easy lynch sabie) over Michelle, who essentially made the mistake of calling Sloonei good, so yeah, maybe I'm doing God's work here anyway despite myself.

I've "made the mistake" of calling Sloonei good many a time as town lmao

No, not the same thing LMAO.



For Michelle's argument against TSP to make any sense whatsoever, she has to know Sloonei is good. For her to know that, she has to be bad.

Q.E.D.

I think you're jumping over something.
I can think two people are buddying, even if I don't know their alignments.

... she could just think that sloonei is civ.

Epi, I just don't get why you're reading that the way you are.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:22 am

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:14 am Nutella's post on epi/LC felt very authentic and makes a lot of sense.

I'd like some more analysis from her going forward.

Sloonei, since Epi is going to be a total dud in terms of any useful interaction with me, what do you think of the reads I gave?

The only one I object to is me. Your take on sabie is probably the most compelling argument I've seen against her. Sabie was bad in two of the most recent games I played but in both of those games I found myself defending her throughout, so I'm a bit weary of her while also trying not to tunnel her. She's made a few posts in here that evoke memories of those games.

At the moment I'm suddenly inspired to figure out G-Man. If we remove the "4 scenarios" post, what are the strongest points for or against him?

I'm not 100% sold on Michelle. I want to see her and sabie take on what's been discussed tonight.

G-Man? I'd need to do a full iso for detail. But I'll say that I'm hoping for more 4 scenarios and less rely on summarizing what everyone else has said.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:40 am Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

I... literally...

I just....


Why do I even.... ?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:42 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:40 am Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

No, because that's dumb.

I'm sheeping you, as the kids call it.

OK maybe I'm just like really gay, but like...

what's the difference?

In my day, we called it buddying.