The Syndicate

Of course my favorite mythical creature is a doctor. It could easily win any battle, because other mythical beings don't exist (except wendigos, those totes exist).

Hello everyone, my name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely not a doctor.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:32 am Hi dudes. My favourite mythical creature is the Kraken. I like the Kraken.

This is my 2nd favorite mythical creature. Imagine all the sushi and calamari.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:41 am I could go for some calamari right now. I really, really could.

You throwin shade at me Chuck?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:48 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:47 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:41 am I could go for some calamari right now. I really, really could.

You throwin shade at me Chuck?

I would have thought that our host might feel that way.

Hmmm... I think we should ask for city council approval regarding all sea creature dishes.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:01 pmActually, Cerberus did make the list, you're right. And unicorns will probably f*ck you up, unless you're a young virgin girl.

Oh thank god. I was worried there for a moment.

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:03 pm Ok, so I've read the thread a few times. Based on the reads I have read, a mafia team of Neverever, Lorab and Wilgy seems like the choice that would make the most sense to choose. Putting my vote there for now. Does anyone else see things with which i am seeing?

Capo reads on the way

Absolutely. It's the lines in the sky that connect us right? You can see them and no one else can? I know you aren't crazy Made.

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:43 pm I'm assuming the wilgy connection comes form his comment about the Cerberus stuff with LC...which, reading back, is interesting. I mentioned it to LC based on very old history back from LP days. Anyone who has that history, I don't think, would question my asking him about that (lovingly). But Wilgy isn't from that era....which makes me curious what his intention was with is comment on that conversation.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:40 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:38 pmNot true at all from my end.

I find this unreasonably funny.

I aim to amuse? I just meant that I know I'm not mafia and that I can't speak for the other 2 mentioned.

Wut?

INH! TSP! I see you down there!

INH what do you think of Elohchin? What do you think of me and TSP?

TSP what do you think of me and INH? What do you think of DF?

What is your favorite color? And where is that screaming coming from?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:09 pm My strategy for dealing with Epi is primarily to poke him with a stick until one of us dies or we both win. I haven't figured out his alignment using this strategy but I still tend to win and haven't come up with any better ideas.

This is the only way I've been able to read him. It generally takes too long to be worth it though.

@Eloh, you seem rather quick to pull the trigger this game. Why?

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:33 pm What do you people think about my early assertion that Made is town? I said so on page one.

It's irrelevant because at least one of you two are bad.

Golden

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:57 pm I think quoting the rules to make a joke while butchering them yourself is not a baddie thing to do.

Wilgy, that vote seems a bit self-defensive. I don't even suspect you (yet...)

How so Golden? I know Made suspected me, but I also know that Made does things at an odd angle (similarly to other people I know) as long as I can see him doing things with that angle I have no problem.

You though. What are you doing this game Golden?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:43 pm Margaritas and Sangria.

Dios bendiga a México Doble.

I don't speak German.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:34 pmYou though. What are you doing this game Golden?

What do you think I'm doing?

What do you think that I think you are doing?

Also, how come you only responded to me in half? I asked two questions so I clearly deserve two questions back.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:06 pm Hello all,
It's come to my attention that my initial reads may have been flawed. In order to rectify this, initially I intend to post a question to every user as an attemption to get more information, however my computer has maufuctioned! Instead of this, I will ask questions to people as they post. If anyone has any questions about my questions, they can be asked here and I will try to answer them in the order received.


Epi- what is your favorite adjective?
Eloh- what's your favorite color and what do you think the color says about you as a person?
Drwilgy- do you think it's more likely that I get you lynched or you get me lynched this game?
Nutella- what is the derivative of arctan(x+1)
Golden- where did I misplaced my keys? I can't seem to find them anywhere!

More questions to come!

Based on our history you will definitely get me lynchedbefore I get you lynched. Why do you think I'm going to try to lynch you though Made?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:47 pm@golden. Quick to pull the trigger? Doesn't day end in like two hours??? I had to help cook and clean the kitchen. I have a few moments now to catch up and then it will be dessert time because I'm the greatest mom ever and then I'll have to do bedtime routine. I can't lwave it to last minute or I might not make it.

That was me Eloh. I made that comment in relation to your meta (or at least what I think of it). I have never thought you to be the type to go into heavy game discussion so early.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:56 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:53 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:34 pmYou though. What are you doing this game Golden?

What do you think I'm doing?

What do you think that I think you are doing?

Also, how come you only responded to me in half? I asked two questions so I clearly deserve two questions back.

I can't necessarily always deliver on what you deserve, I'm sorry to say.

I think I disproportionately suspect you early in games (possibly because whenever I don't, you're bad and win). I think you voting me potentially pushes towards removing a thorn in your side. Do you think this analysis is unfair?

(Boom - it's a second question! But now you asked me two more. I'll never keep up.)

Absolutely Golden, as that's a simple NO U. Also thorns are best removed in secret. A night kill on you would be so much easier. Suggestions that I'd lynch you to remove you from the game makes me think that you believe I have no NK capacity.

Golden, you are bad this game.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:27 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:22 pmSuggestions that I'd lynch you to remove you from the game makes me think that you believe I have no NK capacity.

1) False equivalence. Baddies use lynches as a tool just as much as a NK

2) I wasn't implying you are bad. Town Wilgy is just as likely to feel that I am a thorn in his side. I've lynched town Wilgy plenty.

You're definitely going for an 'attack as defence' strategy, though.

What happened the last time you thought you could call me out on day one? Have you ever actually successfully read me as bad?

1) Incorrect. By the nature of the game, the lynch is inconsistent for mafia to use and abuse, it's also dangerous in regards that it creates data.

3) Incorrect. I love playing with you Golden, I wouldn't want you to die day one unless I felt the need to (especially your first game back since hiatus). I thought our synergy during the GoC was telling of this.

You say that I'm attacking as a defence, but what am I defending?

Nope and why should that matter? My reads now are in the present you and present me. Are you trying to discourage me?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:37 pm Bacon and eggs for dinner.

C'mon it's a 24 hr day game. Give the D1 no-shows a little slack right?

If Dom is bad, Speedchucks their teammate

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:38 pm I can't discourage you from a non-changeable vote, Wilgy. In many ways, if I were to be mislynched I'd rather day one than after I'm invested. But I'm not beyond some dirty tricks to get you to rethink your own perspective for the future.

You shouldn't forget that if you think I'm being illogical, I don't indulge in lazy underthinking when I'm bad.

Yes, but you can discourage a point of view or perspective. Golden said the M word.

WIFOM.

I agree with this.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:17 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:07 pm I'm trying to keep up on my phone, which is misery. I'm reading the exchange as something teammates would do to vaguely distance. The whole "We're going to get each other lynched" thing feels staged. With no better option right now, I will vote Wilgy (though either one works for me).Votes Wilgy

I disagree. I don't think it makes them look like teammates at all, and in fact I think it's rather opportunistic of you to knee-jerk react in that way.

Not a good look for DF here imo. I might vote for him, but I'm kind of wary of the votes spreading already. I am also (like Tony) considering voting for Jack. I didn't like the nervous laughter thing, but even more than that looking through his ISO I get a weird feeling from his constant requests to be asked things. He seems kind of over-eager and wanting people to prod him so that he can prove himself. I know from being his teammate in Mass Effect that he is pretty talented at gaining civ cred as a baddie, so I'm wary of that and I'm just not really getting the cleanest vibes here.

linki: I don't think anyone says switcheroo anymore, it's usually No U.

And here's the problem DF, I actually questioned why Made thought I was going to get him lynched. Me questioning that means that it's not as easy as a "We are going to get each other lynched" charade.

Being on a phone isn't a good excuse for this either as you read what you needed to cast your vote with what seems to be no thought. More appropriate would be "Wilgy's interactions with Made pinged me, and thus I'm voting." Doing that would've lead ro discussionand ping understanding. You, however, were just looking for a vote.

DF, are you on Golden's team?

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:38 pm After watching Rico get put to pasture in Blue Velvet despite being the only civilian to identify the baddies, I'm willing to vote to protect him.

Made seems suspicious to me for going after an easy target.

Then again, other people seem to be seizing this as an excuse to make Made into an easy target.

However, this is a game with two mafias, so both occurrences could turn out to be legitimately baddie-driven.

No matter how you slice the cookie crumbles, I'm leaning towards voting Made.

Also not a fan of the sprityo vote

INH, are you fearful?

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:17 pm Wilgy, if I wanted you dead and I was bad, surely my team would just nk you? It makes no sense that you'd think df was on my team or was bad because of a DAY vote

(In case this is lost in people - I'm just pointing out how wilgy just did exactly what he accused me of being bad for doing)

It was a question that he was your teammate, not a statement. Why are you forcing a perspective here? What did this post gain you?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:20 pm I'm not with it yet. I'm going to vote Wilgy because I feel like I still owe him one.

*vote: DrWilgy*

Still better than DF.

If I die stupidly on day 1.

Baddies are Golden, DF, Rico, and LC.

Golden, LC, Rico is team compatible.

DF is team compatible, but less so.

Keep an eye out for Marcus's double vote. We could be tied and not even know.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:26 pm Who is rico not compatible with?

LoRab. Who do you think?

Hmm... time for Made to be sent off to fight in the bloodspace war.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:26 pm Long Con actually got to vote. DrWilgy is dead.

Ominous. A shame no one else could vote.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:27 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:16 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:38 pm After watching Rico get put to pasture in Blue Velvet despite being the only civilian to identify the baddies, I'm willing to vote to protect him.

Made seems suspicious to me for going after an easy target.

Then again, other people seem to be seizing this as an excuse to make Made into an easy target.

However, this is a game with two mafias, so both occurrences could turn out to be legitimately baddie-driven.

No matter how you slice the cookie crumbles, I'm leaning towards voting Made.

Also not a fan of the sprityo vote

INH, are you fearful?

In general or about something in particular?

In regards to the choice you made following this post.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:21 pmWhat did this post gain you?

Smug satisfaction?

You were satisfied for the wrong reasons then.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:36 pm What are the reasons I should have been satisfied?

Im unsure, but yours was wrong.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:39 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:37 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:36 pm What are the reasons I should have been satisfied?

Im unsure, but yours was wrong.

When people incorrectly identify me as bad, and then give bad reasons, and then defend it when I point out why those are bad reasons, I can't help it if I find it satisfying when they, themselves, do exactly the same thing that they accused me of being bad for doing.

But your satisfaction only came from an assumed commonality.

Why do you think I suspect DF?

Ugh... Steve Carlsberg.

Well... He did care for Janice. I can give him that.

I'd like to see the lights above the Arby's tonight.

They tend to take me to a better place, and a better time.

Someone explain w/w to me.

@Neverwhere, that doesn't tackle the comparison Boomslang made between Made and Rico. There were also plenty of people not contributing through outright non-contribution (Timmer, Dom). So why Made, when Made had actual content to sort through?

If 3 people would be so kind. Please let me know your thoughts regarding my exchanges with Golden.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:16 amlinki: w/w means wolf/wolf. Means that the two are both on the same scumteam.
Terrible term, btw, since few of our games are werewolf games. I usually use the term "knowingly aligned" or just "aligned" since town people don't have strong connections to each other. We could even say "scummates". Anything but w/w.

Hmm... Thank you for the explanation. This raises further questions for TSP.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:05 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:53 pm Since it was a close staggered lynch, Wilgy or Rico have clear potential w/w pairs.

I don't have any really prime suspects, but I have some pretty strong town reads on a few people.

That's how I feel. I'm hesitant to say all the strong town reads cause of that thing with you me and Wigly in ME. That's what the two mafia game balance relies on.

TSP, I'd like for you to explain. Why does a staggered lynch lead to having town reads or clears for both me and Rico? where does this perspective come from and do players having different vote values change this at all?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:31 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:13 am If 3 people would be so kind. Please let me know your thoughts regarding my exchanges with Golden.

Boring meta crap. I doubt you two are aligned, if that's any help. I'm more interested in what your read on Golden is. And I mean read, not quality-of-play analysis.

Bad, I thought I had made that clear. Unless you meant something else. What are you referring to in regards to quality-of-play? I don't believe that I have spoken in regards to Golden's quality of play, rather is style of play and where his thoughts are.

You refer to meta as boring crap, why? Also along this thought, is quality-of-play not a factor in forming a read?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:04 am

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:24 am

If Ricochet was scum I don't get why they would be drawing attention to themselves this early in the game. I am curious as to why they were still posting in smilies after the deadline.

Hey Rico,

Golden.

Epi.

TSP.

DF.

Timmer.

Also,

Eloh.

Neverwhere.

LoRab.

Thanks babe.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:17 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:02 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:31 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:13 am If 3 people would be so kind. Please let me know your thoughts regarding my exchanges with Golden.

Boring meta crap. I doubt you two are aligned, if that's any help. I'm more interested in what your read on Golden is. And I mean read, not quality-of-play analysis.

Bad, I thought I had made that clear. Unless you meant something else. What are you referring to in regards to quality-of-play? I don't believe that I have spoken in regards to Golden's quality of play, rather is style of play and where his thoughts are.

You refer to meta as boring crap, why? Also along this thought, is quality-of-play not a factor in forming a read?

Stuff like "You're being defensive because I usually suspect you"
"Defensive against what?"
"What reason do you have for posting this?"
"You are satisfied for the wrong reasons"

None of this is about alignment, so far as I can tell. Just bickering. Some of it about meta. And meta is boring because A. I'm new here and don't know anyone's meta good enough to speak on it, and B. Talking about past games doesn't speak to alignment.

I'm interested in what you think about Golden because you are familiar with them. But talking about past experience and about the way Golden is playing doesn't say anything about your alignment, and it's full of arguments I wouldn't be able to follow.

And no, quality-of-play is not a factor in forming a read, unless it's a tell for that person.

"You're being defensive because I usually suspect you"
"Defensive against what?"
- If I'm correct in regards to what you are referring to, Golden had brought up this meta based assumption, and I questioned where it came from... (which I don't think had a response. I flipped through his ISO and I didn't see anything I may have missed.)
"What reason do you have for posting this?"
- Every post has a reason, it's up to civilians to determine if posts have malicious reasoning behind it or not.
"You are satisfied for the wrong reasons"
- This was in regards to Golden being snarky and throwing assumptions as fact. This also lead to further unanswered questions from Golden.

These questions and answers (or lack of) are leaving me to believe that Golden is bad. I believe he's trying to replicate a supatown Golden, but his views and angles are coming from something that is not a hunter.
"Made is town"
"Neverwhere is town"
"I think Dom is bad, but I will not persuade others"

Golden priority isn't hunting. He's existing, assuming, but not hunting.

Generally, in a 2 mafia game, I'd ignore this as both teams should be hunting, but I do believe that scum will play in a more self centered fashion early. Golden, seems to fit that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:40 amI don't have particularly town reads on you or Rico, so it doesn't lead to me that. What I meant is that if you or Rico flip Maf, we have some clear leads.

"we will have leads when someone flips mafia"

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:41 pm Oh hell naw. I am NOT about to be shoved into a freaking corner by Jack AGAIN, I am not dying before freaking day 3 AGAIN, and will not be the butt of all suspicion when you guys don't want to freaking look elsewhere.

If it's any consolation Sprityo, I'm not suspicious of you. I based on your play in pokemon mafia, I think that people suspect you frequently due to you having a voice that doesn't split opinion from fact.

This thing with Boomslang may be a good example, as he had to go out of his way to break down what I believed to be more of an opinion statement. Perhaps Boom read it as a fact statement. I'm unsure.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:31 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:10 pmI believe he's trying to replicate a supatown Golden, but his views and angles are coming from something that is not a hunter.

Here is all the evidence you need to see that Wilgy can't read me very well. I am literally making zero effort to replicate supatown Golden.

Allow me to rephrase. I meant that you were trying to replicate a supatown in general. Not a supatown golden in specific.

I agree w/ Dom & LC.

INH, gth who is bad?

You too Boomslang.

Meh, Epi and LC too.

"I'm Poppy"

Fuck

LD rules?

Shame he dodged Q&A

Golden that is...

Coward

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:43 pm One way to figure out who Marcus is: everyone votes for themself. Whoever dies is Marcus.

No thanks.

Wanna lynch INH?

Golden and DF

I miss Hazlenut

Can you explain?

where u at?

That's dumb.

Indifferent.

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