The Syndicate

Should have tagged us to at least check in. So just asking, these whole 10 pages are just D0 posts right?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:53 pm Suspecting people for mechanics talk is an easy strategy for scum to latch onto than mechanics talk. Discuss.

But it can also be pretty valid if all the player is doing is mechanic talk without any actual scum hunting/game solving in their posts. An easy way to look contributive.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:54 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:46 pm Should have tagged us to at least check in. So just asking, these whole 10 pages are just D0 posts right?
>see my meme expressing this exact thing

What?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:33 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:25 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:59 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:52 pm But seriously @Sloonei Mata is my top suspect right now. Her iso is crap.
It’s day 0 and people are already isoing?

Has 24 hours even passed?
I'm not, I just literally meant all of her posts of which there were only like 4 at the time lol
While directed at you it is also directly at Sloonei who actually did look at her iso lmao
I’m just really excited to be playing this game, okay?

Ya sound a little too defensive here

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:34 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:33 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:25 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 6:59 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:52 pm But seriously @Sloonei Mata is my top suspect right now. Her iso is crap.
It’s day 0 and people are already isoing?

Has 24 hours even passed?
I'm not, I just literally meant all of her posts of which there were only like 4 at the time lol
While directed at you it is also directly at Sloonei who actually did look at her iso lmao
I’m just really excited to be playing this game, okay?
Ya sound a little too defensive here
What was I being accused of?

I don't really care about what you were accused of but how you responded to that post. You sound a bit too panicky and too uncomfortable thus wanting to resolve things quickly in that post. I'm not seeing a town perspective to all that.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:04 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:34 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:33 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:25 pm

I'm not, I just literally meant all of her posts of which there were only like 4 at the time lol
While directed at you it is also directly at Sloonei who actually did look at her iso lmao
I’m just really excited to be playing this game, okay?
Ya sound a little too defensive here
What was I being accused of?
I don't really care about what you were accused of but how you responded to that post. You sound a bit too panicky and too uncomfortable thus wanting to resolve things quickly in that post. I'm not seeing a town perspective to all that.
I see it and support it. Sloonei for the noose 2019.

You serious with this? Cause I'm actually down for it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:08 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:34 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 8:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:33 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:25 pm

I'm not, I just literally meant all of her posts of which there were only like 4 at the time lol
While directed at you it is also directly at Sloonei who actually did look at her iso lmao
I’m just really excited to be playing this game, okay?
Ya sound a little too defensive here
What was I being accused of?
I don't really care about what you were accused of but how you responded to that post. You sound a bit too panicky and too uncomfortable thus wanting to resolve things quickly in that post. I'm not seeing a town perspective to all that.
I was literally not being accused of anything. Lux was teasing me about doing ISOs on Day 0.

Why you keep bringing up yourself not being accused? I told ya, I don't care about that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:13 pm My point is that there was nothing for me to be defensive about. That was barely-on-topic banter. You’re right that my tone is over-defensive there. It’s because I’m joking.

That makes even worse. Nothing to be defensive about, why were you defensive?

Just joking, hmmm.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 10:02 pm
Dragomir feels like he’s playing his town game again

So you think I'm too scummy to be wolf?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 10:40 pm Sunday = Game of Thrones finale. Ain’t nobody got time for mafia.

Picking Game of Shit over mafia. You must be scum.

So @Luxurious Luxy, you finna answer my question?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:03 am So @Luxurious Luxy, you finna answer my question?

[mention]Luxurious[/mention]

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:31 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +
This would be angleshooting and would be a violation of rules. And there’s no way to get players to buy in. And it is absolutely not worth the loss of civilian votes on Day 1. This plan would set us way back.

I propose we stick to the gameplan of making noise and hunting scum.

I see nothing wrong with his plan. I don't see how it sets us way back when we literally get a free scum outed D1 for the vig to shoot at the next NP and we'll still use our reads and whatnot to lynch someone else D1. The only problem is I guess angleshooting which I fail to see.

I really ain't liking this post Sloonei. I ain't liking a lot of your posts tbh. Your questions at Ultra are pinging me the wrong. Like scum tryna get a feel for his opponent to know if to be wary of them or not or maybe kill them. I mean if you want to know how he plays as town, just watch him play from D1 forth. His answers won't really tell me you much.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:37 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:30 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:25 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:20 pm How come nobody has commented on my suggestion
Because your suggestion is fishing. Your suggestion is impossible to implement without Felicity knowing who Rip Hunter is. Your suggestion is manure.
Read the role, poopyhead.

"Felicity is a tech genius. Once in the game she can submit a role to the host to find out who has the role."

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:26 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:20 pm How come nobody has commented on my suggestion
Because people are cautious about engaging in role-specific chatter this early in the game. It’s not a bad proposal. I haven’t looked close enough at the role list to say whether or not it’s the best.
Well, look.
I know what the role says.

I spoke bourbonese.

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +
I'm torn on you.

That you are advocating the use of a civilian role to find an independent is fishy.

Fishy my ass. The role that's being outed is better used early than later, that way its peek can be utilized much sooner and the risk of being killed would be less. Also, they immediately become vanilla after the use so mafia or any other scum killing doesn't have much an incentive to kill them anymore. If you guys don't wanna waste the DP, we can just lynch someone else and have the vig kill the person who was peeked.

Also, the indie is not just any indie, it's a damn cult, the world's most hated anti-town. I'd like them dead sooner than later.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:36 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:28 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:31 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +
This would be angleshooting and would be a violation of rules. And there’s no way to get players to buy in. And it is absolutely not worth the loss of civilian votes on Day 1. This plan would set us way back.

I propose we stick to the gameplan of making noise and hunting scum.
I see nothing wrong with his plan. I don't see how it sets us way back when we literally get a free scum outed D1 for the vig to shoot at the next NP and we'll still use our reads and whatnot to lynch someone else D1. The only problem is I guess angleshooting which I fail to see.

I really ain't liking this post Sloonei. I ain't liking a lot of your posts tbh. Your questions at Ultra are pinging me the wrong. Like scum tryna get a feel for his opponent to know if to be wary of them or not or maybe kill them. I mean if you want to know how he plays as town, just watch him play from D1 forth. His answers won't really tell me you much.
Ultra proposed a plan which would be against the rules. I told him it would he against the rules.
I also thought he was suggesting that everyone should abstain from voting on Day 1. I expressed skepticism of that plan.

I get to know players by asking them questions. If you suspect me for doing that, I recommend looking at the previous game ISO I linked to earlier. If you think I should sit back and not do anything on Day 1, then you’re probably scum.

I'm having trouble seeing how it's against the rules.

Nigga what? How does watching how Ultra is playing from D1+ translate to sitting back and not doing anything D1? That line of thinking don't follow mate.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:33 am Learn to spot mafia without info roles. You will be better for it.

I already know how to do that but there's absolutely no harm to use the damn info roles when they're available to you, that's just wasting resources.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:48 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:47 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:36 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:28 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:31 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +
This would be angleshooting and would be a violation of rules. And there’s no way to get players to buy in. And it is absolutely not worth the loss of civilian votes on Day 1. This plan would set us way back.

I propose we stick to the gameplan of making noise and hunting scum.
I see nothing wrong with his plan. I don't see how it sets us way back when we literally get a free scum outed D1 for the vig to shoot at the next NP and we'll still use our reads and whatnot to lynch someone else D1. The only problem is I guess angleshooting which I fail to see.

I really ain't liking this post Sloonei. I ain't liking a lot of your posts tbh. Your questions at Ultra are pinging me the wrong. Like scum tryna get a feel for his opponent to know if to be wary of them or not or maybe kill them. I mean if you want to know how he plays as town, just watch him play from D1 forth. His answers won't really tell me you much.
Ultra proposed a plan which would be against the rules. I told him it would he against the rules.
I also thought he was suggesting that everyone should abstain from voting on Day 1. I expressed skepticism of that plan.

I get to know players by asking them questions. If you suspect me for doing that, I recommend looking at the previous game ISO I linked to earlier. If you think I should sit back and not do anything on Day 1, then you’re probably scum.
I'm having trouble seeing how it's against the rules.

Nigga what? How does watching how Ultra is playing from D1+ translate to sitting back and not doing anything D1? That line of thinking don't follow mate.
Have you read the rules?

No claiming and no info dumping. Having an invest role use its peek and then vote for the person who they peeked ain't breaking any of these rules.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:04 pm Oh man, when Felicia dies, I get to say BYE FELICIA.

Ay! On me bro! I'm down for this.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:14 pm That's two people I have the hots for.

Anybody else want to give me the hots tonight?

That's kinda gay but ok.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:57 am @Dragomir walk me through what is suspicious about my early questioning of Ultra to you.

The plan he was proposing is certifiably against the rules. I said so as a longtime veteran of this community. Epignosis said so as a longtime veteran of this community. nutella said so as a longtime veteran of this community. DFaraday said so as our host and as a longtime veteran of this community. This point isn't even up for debate.

As for your stance on my questioning of him: you suggest that this looks more like scum trying to "feel out" their opponent to determine if they're a threat or now. How does my particular line of questioning reflect that motive and not, say, a civilian who wants to get a feel for a player they've never played with?

Ok, chill out goddamn. It's against the rules Jesus.

I don't really see the point in a civ asking such questions when they get a better answer by watching the player play the game.

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:56 am I don’t understand why people say the cult is anti town. I pm’d the host to find out how the cult works, and I recommend everyone else do that too, if you are in doubt. It doesn’t seem to hurt the town at all. I hope Felicity goes after a killer.
Maybe someone can explain what is meant by Anti town, when the cult can win with the town.

Cult winning with town? Inconceivable.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:26 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:50 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:49 pm Civilians must vote to keep their heels on the throat of mafia. Any plan that recommends civilians do not vote is suspect to me.
Strawmanning my proposition. Scummy.
No. He's stating something that is more or less taken for granted on this site. What's going on here is culture clash, but it's not scummy.

Two potential problems with your plan that are more specific than just general cultural aversion:
(1) DF didn't specify this but in many games on this site players are really not supposed to miss the vote and can be admonished/modkilled/replaced for not voting because it's viewed as a "participation score" and again this is a cultural thing but even if it's not in the rules by the host, it's viewed as poor play and not pro-town because, again, we value the lynch poll as the main tool of the town faction to win the game.
(2) This isn't necessarily clear in the role description but I'd guess that Felicity's role is restricted to the night phase and would not have had a chance to get a peek by day 1. I could be wrong about this though.

Damn, @bold y'all got some weird rules. I like this place.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:35 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:34 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:00 pm I don't suspect Ultra. Bottom line.

I suspect Matahari.
Eh?
Do you...object to me suspecting Matahari?

Or do you object to me not suspecting Ultra?
No I'm wondering why you brought up Matahari. I'm not objecting, just kind of perplexed and wanting elaboration.

Are you concerned for your scum buddy?

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:10 am just cus you say nigga dont make you sound cool bro

I don't say nigga to sound cool lmao. Dunno even what the hell made you think that. I just felt like saying, I say it a lot in real life so why not online.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:17 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:14 am
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:10 am just cus you say nigga dont make you sound cool bro
I don't say nigga to sound cool lmao. Dunno even what the hell made you think that. I just felt like saying, I say it a lot in real life so why not online.
yes you do and its obvoius

because you sound stiff when you say it
i doubt you use it ever

epi must be right with his assumption

You really want to go bro? Cause I am really getting pissed off at the lack of truth in this entire. "I sound stiff" bro what? Get the hell out of here with that shit.

I SAY NIGGA ALL THE FUCKING TIME, SO GET OUTA HERE WITH THIS SHIT.

I'm actually 16 not 12 but ok.

Bro, if you need me to take a goddamn picture of myself to prove to you that I'm black(which hopefully tells you that I say nigga all the time) cause I swear I do.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:22 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:04 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:57 am @Dragomir walk me through what is suspicious about my early questioning of Ultra to you.

The plan he was proposing is certifiably against the rules. I said so as a longtime veteran of this community. Epignosis said so as a longtime veteran of this community. nutella said so as a longtime veteran of this community. DFaraday said so as our host and as a longtime veteran of this community. This point isn't even up for debate.

As for your stance on my questioning of him: you suggest that this looks more like scum trying to "feel out" their opponent to determine if they're a threat or now. How does my particular line of questioning reflect that motive and not, say, a civilian who wants to get a feel for a player they've never played with?
Ok, chill out goddamn. It's against the rules Jesus.

I don't really see the point in a civ asking such questions when they get a better answer by watching the player play the game.
I could just sit and idly watch him play the game. Or I could get myself involved and expedite the process, get him to say the things that I am looking for him to say. I didn't get much of a chance to observe Ultra as a host in the scrimmage, and he was not town. I wanted to have a sense of who he is before we make our way deeper into this game.

You're still not explaining what you think was out of place in my questioning. You're just reiterating that you don't think I needed to do it. Why?

linki: i didn't realize this post hadn't gone through and have been working on something else for a few minutes.

Ok.

I literally did in the post I called you out for it. I don't see why I should repeat it again when you can just go back to that. It shouldn't be that far away.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:24 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:20 am
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:17 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:14 am
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:10 am just cus you say nigga dont make you sound cool bro
I don't say nigga to sound cool lmao. Dunno even what the hell made you think that. I just felt like saying, I say it a lot in real life so why not online.
yes you do and its obvoius

because you sound stiff when you say it
i doubt you use it ever

epi must be right with his assumption
You really want to go bro? Cause I am really getting pissed off at the lack of truth in this entire. "I sound stiff" bro what? Get the hell out of here with that shit.

I SAY NIGGA ALL THE FUCKING TIME, SO GET OUTA HERE WITH THIS SHIT.
I do not think that this is an argument to be having in this mafia game right now.

It's D0, so it's alright.

@MafiaMenace sorry for the anger flare in that post. I just got really pissed at what you said.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:27 am @MafiaMenace sorry for the anger flare in that post. I just got really pissed at what you said.

[mention]MafiaMenace[/mention]

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:29 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:26 am
Ok.

I literally did in the post I called you out for it. I don't see why I should repeat it again when you can just go back to that. It shouldn't be that far away.
If I'm understanding everything correctly, this is what you've said:
I really ain't liking this post Sloonei. I ain't liking a lot of your posts tbh. Your questions at Ultra are pinging me the wrong. Like scum tryna get a feel for his opponent to know if to be wary of them or not or maybe kill them. I mean if you want to know how he plays as town, just watch him play from D1 forth. His answers won't really tell me you much.
I am not asking you to repeat that. I am asking you to explain it. Why do my questions give you that specific impression?

You kept asking how he plays as town and whatnot, so kinda just got that feel. Also, only saw a scum perspective to that mindset so it's what I thought first

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:28 am Hey gang,

Let's please ensure that we respect the rules and guidelines (click) of the site with regard to language that can be interpreted as derogatory or as a slur. I know that no offense has been intended; but these rules must still be followed. Thanks and have fun with the game! If anyone has any concerns, please don't hesitate to send a message to your facilitator dunya!

Sorry mate, just lost control of myself.

I like that iso by Sloo.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:51 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:13 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:35 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:34 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:00 pm I don't suspect Ultra. Bottom line.

I suspect Matahari.
Eh?
Do you...object to me suspecting Matahari?

Or do you object to me not suspecting Ultra?
No I'm wondering why you brought up Matahari. I'm not objecting, just kind of perplexed and wanting elaboration.
Are you concerned for your scum buddy?
bro.... mata is my top suspect as you will find out when you catch up i guess

Don't be acting like suspecting anybody means anything after the last game where Mafia(JJJ and Ultra) bussed each other D1.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:59 pm GTH is the perfect game for a supertown deepwolf type to call for. It makes them look busy and shows them where the juicy mislynches are.

What would be the more civilian thing to do is read the thread and find who is bad and burn them alive for it.

I like this post. Doesn't this rather make GTH counterproductive(or intuitive, whichever is grammatically correct)? This forum has got a lot of those supertown deepwolf types at least from my first impression.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:06 pm GTH reads to me are about establishing a direction for players to move in. That is why I want to run it right now.

But this conversation has turned into a distraction. Let's get back to other things.

Why so? Are you not liking how Mac is calling you and your idea out for valid points? Sounds weird to try redirecting things instead of defending your argument(if you think it's correct) or at least admitting defeat and saying that Mac's argument sounds legit or something. This 3rd party(let me just change the topic to something else as I'm being grilled here) does not feel townie to me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:20 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:15 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:59 pm GTH is the perfect game for a supertown deepwolf type to call for. It makes them look busy and shows them where the juicy mislynches are.

What would be the more civilian thing to do is read the thread and find who is bad and burn them alive for it.
I like this post. Doesn't this rather make GTH counterproductive(or intuitive, whichever is grammatically correct)? This forum has got a lot of those supertown deepwolf types at least from my first impression.
GTH is an extremely useful exercise. We're going to do it at some point.

You didn't really prove to me how it is such a useful practice but ok.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:34 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:26 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:20 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:15 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:59 pm GTH is the perfect game for a supertown deepwolf type to call for. It makes them look busy and shows them where the juicy mislynches are.

What would be the more civilian thing to do is read the thread and find who is bad and burn them alive for it.
I like this post. Doesn't this rather make GTH counterproductive(or intuitive, whichever is grammatically correct)? This forum has got a lot of those supertown deepwolf types at least from my first impression.
GTH is an extremely useful exercise. We're going to do it at some point.
You didn't really prove to me how it is such a useful practice but ok.
I did not know I was supposed to do that or how I would go about it.

You were trying to tell me it was a good thing, so you kinda had to like prove it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:33 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:24 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:06 pm GTH reads to me are about establishing a direction for players to move in. That is why I want to run it right now.

But this conversation has turned into a distraction. Let's get back to other things.
Why so? Are you not liking how Mac is calling you and your idea out for valid points? Sounds weird to try redirecting things instead of defending your argument(if you think it's correct) or at least admitting defeat and saying that Mac's argument sounds legit or something. This 3rd party(let me just change the topic to something else as I'm being grilled here) does not feel townie to me.
Mac's argument against doing a GTH exercise at that moment was that the thread had good momentum and the exercise would have disrupted it. We had exhausted our points and I had dropped the idea of running the exercise, so I figured we should return to the "good topics" we had going on before he came in to shoot the idea down. Not my last sentence: "Let's get back to other things." The premise of Mac's argument was that the thread had been in a good place. If that was the case, we should want to return there.

I did explain my argument. That's what the first line is doing. I wanted to change topics because this line of discussion was not going to result in anything productive. As a civilian, I don't want to spend my time arguing about things that are being construed to make me look bad. I've fallen into that trap (with Mac in particular) too many times in the past. It kills my own momentum.

Hmm, aight then.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:11 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:45 am I like that iso by Sloo.
why? let me know what you think of my response. almost all of his points were founded on absurd twistings of my words. I don't believe he believes what he's saying.

I first I thought he made valid statements, but thinking about it now, I was rather fooled by his in-depth analysis. Now reading back on it, half of what he said doesn't make any sense.

The player called Sloonei is grilling nutella a little bit. Nothing serious, but the directness of the final question in this exchange suggests attentiveness on his part. nutella gives it a casual sidestep, leaning (it would seem) more toward the "General town read", but with enough resistance in the "roll of foil" comment to avoid rolling over completely. I would file this under "downplaying pressure".

Like right here, not a single clue what he was trying to say here. Looks like like a bunch of words to look more in-depth with iso.

sprityo drops in and drops out. I don't object to keeping tabs on him and putting pressure on him to post more. What bothers me about this is the bluntness of nutella's response. She's being purposefully oppositional toward sprit. It looks more like she's putting a tab on future suspect than she is trying to wrangle content out of a quiet player. File this under "low-hanging fruit".

Next we go to this here. This I believe to be a super trivial reason to say that you're going after the low-hanging fruit. I mean, one would really have to stretch out your sarcasm say the bolded part. Even with that, one really can't get the line of logic there. Also, at least from what I read, you made no push or any questioning/prodding directed at Sprit, going after the low-hanging fruit doesn't really work here as a reason.

I have no direct objections to her Mac suspicion here, so I've cut it out of the post. But it exists and I don't want to seem like I'm dismissing it.
Matahari and MafiaMenace are low-hanging fruit here. Mata falls into the same category as sprit. She goes after MafiaMenace for his focus on mechanics to that point, which is something I've already commented on. These are not particularly inspired suspicions.

Only part of his post where he actually starts making sense imo. I can get how Mata falls into a low-hanging fruit category and the MafiaMenace part. But that last sentenced, the bolded I don't understand. [mention]Sloonei[/mention] what do you mean by that? So this is basically the only part of the post that I like, and it's pretty meh.

So yeah, I can grill him more but you get the point. And about your response, I'll get to that soonish.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:08 am ok, responding to sloonei's post in order

1) not sure what you mean about "downplaying pressure" in the first point. that's just how I felt about you at the time, don't overthink it
2) what? of all the posts in my iso to pick out, you pick a one-off acknowledgment of sprityo that didn't really mean anything. I'm not sure how you got the idea I was implying I suspected him or something, it was just a joke. Like yeah it was a little rib at the fact he hadn't produced much content yet but I think you're overthinking again.
3) I don't think they're lhf. I can see why you'd feel that way about MM, which was my weakest of those suspicions, but mata wasn't really. That was an original read and you better believe it. She's not "in the same category as sprityo" at all wtf that's absolute bull.
4) And how do you expect me to react to suspicion?
5) llama thing is dumb. I'm not scum and you can cross those buns and take them to the bakery.
6) I don't feel like I'm exaggerating your suspicion, that's how it feels to me. and sure I was townreading you until some others, mostly mac, put some pressure on you that I liked the sound of and I didn't AT ALL like how you reacted to that pressure. is there something wrong with my reads evolving due to developing thread content? you are pulling this out of your ass and you know it

Yeah, I like this response very much. His entire iso was full tryhard.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:50 am "Not inspired suspicions" means that those weren't the two players that I'd expect someone to choose as their top suspects if they had their finger on the pulse of the thread. There was a lot of activity, but nutella's top suspects were somebody with 3 short posts and a guy who was talking about mechanics.

My accusation in the first section, which you say makes no sense, is that nutella was trying to come across as both casual and skeptical of me at the same time. Her post didn't really mesh to me at first glance.

So are you finding the originality in her posts bad or good?

Ok, now tell me the motive for why Nutella would try to come across as that assuming she was scum. Second, how in Jesus did she do that? "Trying to come across as both casual and skeptical", that doesn't make sense? I guess I can see the skeptical part but not really the casual part nor how both of them mean anything. This just sounds like another one of your super trivial reasons against her.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:53 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:50 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:08 am ok, responding to sloonei's post in order

1) not sure what you mean about "downplaying pressure" in the first point. that's just how I felt about you at the time, don't overthink it
2) what? of all the posts in my iso to pick out, you pick a one-off acknowledgment of sprityo that didn't really mean anything. I'm not sure how you got the idea I was implying I suspected him or something, it was just a joke. Like yeah it was a little rib at the fact he hadn't produced much content yet but I think you're overthinking again.
3) I don't think they're lhf. I can see why you'd feel that way about MM, which was my weakest of those suspicions, but mata wasn't really. That was an original read and you better believe it. She's not "in the same category as sprityo" at all wtf that's absolute bull.
4) And how do you expect me to react to suspicion?
5) llama thing is dumb. I'm not scum and you can cross those buns and take them to the bakery.
6) I don't feel like I'm exaggerating your suspicion, that's how it feels to me. and sure I was townreading you until some others, mostly mac, put some pressure on you that I liked the sound of and I didn't AT ALL like how you reacted to that pressure. is there something wrong with my reads evolving due to developing thread content? you are pulling this out of your ass and you know it
Yeah, I like this response very much. His entire iso was full tryhard.
What does this even mean?

You were trying to impress by going full analysis and surface level in-depth reasoning.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:58 am @Dragomir I urge you to read my posts as if I am town. It seems to me right now that you're looking at me through a very paranoid lens. I do not blame you based on what happened last game. But not every supervocal player in every game is scum.

I posted my nutella thoughts to generate discussion on them. I never make an ISO like that with the idea that I am having the final word. I make posts like that so that they can exist in the thread, to see if people agree or disagree, and to see what it does for the conversation. It's backwards to think that I'm making a post like that on Day 0 because I am scum trying to manipulate the thread into suspecting nutella.

My sus against you doesn't really have to do much with what happened last game. Sure, I town read a scum(Jay) but that was just based on what he was producing not the vocality of his play(it did have an effect, but the produce is the bigger reason here). What you're producing here and what he did are very different imo. I don't like how you're trying to discredit my points against you as paranoia from a last game.

Even so with that, your points at least make sense and at least support the scum read that you had on her no? There's nothing wrong in you trying to manipulate town into suspecting someone else if it's D0.Scum would want to become deepwolf and generate mislynches soit doesn't make sense for them to waste an opportunity to get some early town cred and also make ppl sus another person for them to go at in D1.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 4:07 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:55 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:50 am "Not inspired suspicions" means that those weren't the two players that I'd expect someone to choose as their top suspects if they had their finger on the pulse of the thread. There was a lot of activity, but nutella's top suspects were somebody with 3 short posts and a guy who was talking about mechanics.

My accusation in the first section, which you say makes no sense, is that nutella was trying to come across as both casual and skeptical of me at the same time. Her post didn't really mesh to me at first glance.
So are you finding the originality in her posts bad or good?

Ok, now tell me the motive for why Nutella would try to come across as that assuming she was scum. Second, how in Jesus did she do that? "Trying to come across as both casual and skeptical", that doesn't make sense? I guess I can see the skeptical part but not really the casual part nor how both of them mean anything. This just sounds like another one of your super trivial reasons against her.
Originality has nothing to do with it. I do not know what you are asking with regards to her motive. But to better explain what I'm talking about, I'll break down her post:

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 12:01 am
What is your read on the player called Sloonei so far?

The usual

General town read while keeping the roll of foil within reach if needed.
[/quote]
The blue section is what I'm describing as "casual". She playfully says that her read on me is "the usual" with an emoji, and then emphasizes that "the usual" is a loose town read with reservations. The reservations, in orange are the "skeptical" part. Pretty self-explanatory, I think. She says that she's maintaining... well, skepticism on me.

Given my status as a Big Loud Thread Presence, I would think that a mafia member would not want to be on my bad side. nutella is a clever baddie, though, and knows that I expect her to be a little suspicious of me. I am wary of her using a light touch to give me a town read but not trip any alarms in doing so.
[/quote]
I find the motive in posts to be important. If you can't find a reason for why scum would do the thing you're calling a player out for, then, the suspicion makes no sense.

Ok, so how do these two things, casualness, and skepticism add up to make Nutella suspicious?

So you think Nutella might be pocketing you?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:08 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 4:10 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:57 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:53 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:50 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:08 am ok, responding to sloonei's post in order

1) not sure what you mean about "downplaying pressure" in the first point. that's just how I felt about you at the time, don't overthink it
2) what? of all the posts in my iso to pick out, you pick a one-off acknowledgment of sprityo that didn't really mean anything. I'm not sure how you got the idea I was implying I suspected him or something, it was just a joke. Like yeah it was a little rib at the fact he hadn't produced much content yet but I think you're overthinking again.
3) I don't think they're lhf. I can see why you'd feel that way about MM, which was my weakest of those suspicions, but mata wasn't really. That was an original read and you better believe it. She's not "in the same category as sprityo" at all wtf that's absolute bull.
4) And how do you expect me to react to suspicion?
5) llama thing is dumb. I'm not scum and you can cross those buns and take them to the bakery.
6) I don't feel like I'm exaggerating your suspicion, that's how it feels to me. and sure I was townreading you until some others, mostly mac, put some pressure on you that I liked the sound of and I didn't AT ALL like how you reacted to that pressure. is there something wrong with my reads evolving due to developing thread content? you are pulling this out of your ass and you know it
Yeah, I like this response very much. His entire iso was full tryhard.
What does this even mean?
You were trying to impress by going full analysis and surface level in-depth reasoning.
I don't need to try to be impressive.
Exactly. It's why we are unimpressed with your trying.

This doesn't make any sense but I like it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:50 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:50 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:08 am ok, responding to sloonei's post in order

1) not sure what you mean about "downplaying pressure" in the first point. that's just how I felt about you at the time, don't overthink it
2) what? of all the posts in my iso to pick out, you pick a one-off acknowledgment of sprityo that didn't really mean anything. I'm not sure how you got the idea I was implying I suspected him or something, it was just a joke. Like yeah it was a little rib at the fact he hadn't produced much content yet but I think you're overthinking again.
3) I don't think they're lhf. I can see why you'd feel that way about MM, which was my weakest of those suspicions, but mata wasn't really. That was an original read and you better believe it. She's not "in the same category as sprityo" at all wtf that's absolute bull.
4) And how do you expect me to react to suspicion?
5) llama thing is dumb. I'm not scum and you can cross those buns and take them to the bakery.
6) I don't feel like I'm exaggerating your suspicion, that's how it feels to me. and sure I was townreading you until some others, mostly mac, put some pressure on you that I liked the sound of and I didn't AT ALL like how you reacted to that pressure. is there something wrong with my reads evolving due to developing thread content? you are pulling this out of your ass and you know it
Yeah, I like this response very much. His entire iso was full tryhard.
You literally said you liked it.

Did you completely miss my entire where I grilled Sloonei's iso and changed my mind?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:50 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:50 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:08 am ok, responding to sloonei's post in order

1) not sure what you mean about "downplaying pressure" in the first point. that's just how I felt about you at the time, don't overthink it
2) what? of all the posts in my iso to pick out, you pick a one-off acknowledgment of sprityo that didn't really mean anything. I'm not sure how you got the idea I was implying I suspected him or something, it was just a joke. Like yeah it was a little rib at the fact he hadn't produced much content yet but I think you're overthinking again.
3) I don't think they're lhf. I can see why you'd feel that way about MM, which was my weakest of those suspicions, but mata wasn't really. That was an original read and you better believe it. She's not "in the same category as sprityo" at all wtf that's absolute bull.
4) And how do you expect me to react to suspicion?
5) llama thing is dumb. I'm not scum and you can cross those buns and take them to the bakery.
6) I don't feel like I'm exaggerating your suspicion, that's how it feels to me. and sure I was townreading you until some others, mostly mac, put some pressure on you that I liked the sound of and I didn't AT ALL like how you reacted to that pressure. is there something wrong with my reads evolving due to developing thread content? you are pulling this out of your ass and you know it
Yeah, I like this response very much. His entire iso was full tryhard.
You literally said you liked it.

Did you completely miss my entire where I grilled Sloonei's iso and changed my mind?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:56 am Dragomir: I like that iso by Sloonei
Also Dragomir: Yeah I don't like that iso by Sloonei

Don't overthink it people.

I am going to bed. I was on my feet for 11 hours handing out voting guides only for our neoliberal semi rural climate change denying fascist government to get returned to power with a swing to them then went to a gig.

So I want the world to end basically. Bring on death.

Linki: Sloonei don't patronise me dickhead

It's like opinions can't change.

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