The Syndicate

I'd like to get evo points. I think I'm pretty good with abilities. Probably.

Also not sure how it applies to this game but this is what the type chart looks like:



Basically whenever a mon uses a move with a type corresponding to the left column, on a mon with a type from the upper row, damage will be multiplied by the number on the table. So a mon that uses Hydro Pump (a water type move) on a fire pokemon will see the damage being doubled.

If the defending mon has two types, the effect is calculated by multiplying the two numbers. I. e. a fairy type move on a dark/poison type will deal normal damage, because 2*0.5 = 1.

Not sure how this translates to mafia, or even if the hosts are using this table, but might make abilities work better or worse.

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:30 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:14 am Interesting, anyone care to guess what type advantages/disadvantages do for someone?

The coolest choice would be to evolve whoever has Eevee because Eevee has 5 different ways to evolve whilst most others have just 1.

Also I will not be listing anyone in my pm who is clearly clamoring for votes.

Not 5. 8.

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:30 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:14 am Interesting, anyone care to guess what type advantages/disadvantages do for someone?

The coolest choice would be to evolve whoever has Eevee because Eevee has 5 different ways to evolve whilst most others have just 1.

Also I will not be listing anyone in my pm who is clearly clamoring for votes.

Not 5. 8.

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:30 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:14 am Interesting, anyone care to guess what type advantages/disadvantages do for someone?

The coolest choice would be to evolve whoever has Eevee because Eevee has 5 different ways to evolve whilst most others have just 1.

Also I will not be listing anyone in my pm who is clearly clamoring for votes.

Not 5. 8.

Weird. My post kept getting linki with myself so the forum forced me to post it thrice.

Looking at the roles there isnt a single type that beats more than one mafia tho. So either the hosts used that table to balance or they got lucky.

Gastly is weak to ghost, dark, ground and psychic (though in some games it has an ability that makes it immune to ground).

Inkay is weak to fairy and bug (4x)

Meowth is weak to fighting.

If you count the indie too, Mewtwo is weak to bug, ghost and dark.

So bug, ghost and dark are probably the best types to use overall.

@Dizzy

From experience, whatever night powers mafia gets from evolution will probably pale in comparison to the advantage of knowing what the town power roles are and killing them before they can act. So Id rather keep the votes secret.

Mafias biggest power is the kill and that is usually a constant regardless of night powers.

While town's biggest power in terms of abilities are the cop and other info roles.

We probably cant stop mafia from killing by denying them evolution, but they can stop us from investigating.

Hmm you make a good point, that not doing the public votes will mean we have less powers altogether.

Now Im not sure.

And 6 players sure is a lot. Mafia cant kill them at once.

But the second evo stage is a different matter. Id focus my kill on those if I were mafia.

I have a question tho: how do we know mafia is keeping their side of the bargain? Are votes public?

Another problem: phase ends in 7 hours. Are we sure we can get everyone to come online, agree with this system, agree on who to vote and then vote under that time? That sounds impossible, at least for this day 0.

Actually 11h not 7. Screw timezones.

Well if we can get universal coordination you are right. That gives us a small poll of scum if they choose to betray us.

I will join if such a coordination happens. Right now Im skeptical about it.

Linki: yeah

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:02 pm Not that scared of evolving baddies.

So many baddie powers are damn near wasted in almost vanilla. Block, misdirect, doctor, frame, power cop, janitor....who cares? Only silencing and vote manipulation is roughly as dangerous as a town cop or doc or block.

Block can be used to shut down one of those evolved town roles we are telegraphing to mafia.

Redirect is unrealiable but can be incredibly potent if it gets to redirect a kill.

Doctor depends if we have kills. But at the very least, it protects them from mewtwo.

Janitor is a key role in games where claiming is allowed (not the case).

Power cop is really good. It buffs the abilities mentioned above.

Framer is situational, I agree.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:06 pm Anybody disagree with "Fred, Tony, LC, Nutella, Speed" as the list of five preferred Evo's on Day 0?

I already threw my vote in there. If someone doesn't want me in there because I helped come up with the idea, swap me out for Sprityo maybe. But unless there are objections, this'll do for D0.

On N1, we can do public assigning.

Why five? Cant we buff six?

I dont disagree with the list, but I want to evolve too eventually (doesnt have to be now).

From experience town roles are the ones that tend to be mostly useless.

Except info gathering roles.

This is not about downside. I just dont want to see people going around saying all mafia roles are useless, because thats a downright terrible tactical mistake. We need to be taking them into consideration as we make those plans.

A cop among six players is hard to be blocked, so yeah its better. But reading you say a mafia roleblocker is useless is giving me shivers.

Boo
Gman
Dizzy
Nutella
Speedchuck
DF

Thats my proposed list. You guys post yours. I propose we make a deadline for it and then everyone sends their votes. Is 3 hours before the end of N0 good enough?

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:17 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:10 pm Boo
Gman
Dizzy
Nutella
Speedchuck
DF

Thats my proposed list. You guys post yours. I propose we make a deadline for it and then everyone sends their votes. Is 3 hours before the end of N0 good enough?

It's currently 44 minutes until your 3-hour mark.

Doesnt the day end 8 pm est? It should be more than that.

Anyway early I said getting organized on day 0 was impossible. I'm still skeptical about it, but if thats where you guys are going you need to start putting your lists right now or this will just end with people comically screaming at each other at day end. Getting a 18 player consensus in a non-real time game isnt trivial.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:17 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:10 pm Boo
Gman
Dizzy
Nutella
Speedchuck
DF

Thats my proposed list. You guys post yours. I propose we make a deadline for it and then everyone sends their votes. Is 3 hours before the end of N0 good enough?

It's currently 44 minutes until your 3-hour mark.

Doesnt the day end 8 pm est? It should be more than that.

Anyway early I said getting organized on day 0 was impossible. I'm still skeptical about it, but if thats where you guys are going you need to start putting your lists right now or this will just end with people comically screaming at each other at day end. Getting a 18 player consensus in a non-real time game isnt trivial.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:20 pm Why would we need a deadline for opinions? I mean I get deadlines force reads out of people but there's no way to enforce that without guaranteed consequences

We need to agree on the idea of lists. Then post them. Then count the votes. Then split the players who will vote on each person. Then getting everyone to come online and vote.

We have about 5-6 for all that by my count. If you want it to realistically work, we need to stop arguing and get it done.

Or we can just shut up and follow jack's meta list. That works too and is easier. But we dont have long to reach that consensus either.

Oh nvm there are already people saying "fuck consensus" and sending their votes.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:17 pm Scumread: DDL

Thanks. Ive been the overwhelming d1 suspect in the last four games I played, it feels weird when Im not.

I was trying to get us to decide on a list by democracy.

Now we are all forced to follow jack's list. Assuming this coordination thing still has a chance to work.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:17 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:56 pm I don't have any reads, so I don't trust anyone at this point. It's an intriguing idea if it is carried out democratically. Jack's arbitrary list just doesn't sit well with me. That's not a knock against Jack; just a knock against arbitrary lists.

Why do you think my list is arbitrary?

Because you decided it on your own. That's the definition or arbitrary.

Dizzy seems to be on everyone's lists so I voted for him.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:22 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:21 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:17 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:56 pm I don't have any reads, so I don't trust anyone at this point. It's an intriguing idea if it is carried out democratically. Jack's arbitrary list just doesn't sit well with me. That's not a knock against Jack; just a knock against arbitrary lists.

Why do you think my list is arbitrary?

Because you decided it on your own. That's the definition or arbitrary.

Arbitrary - Based on randomness or personal whim.

My list is not arbitrary.

This is the one I found.

subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion:

If you decided by yourself and not by a collective process, it's arbitrary. No matter how rational you claim your method is.

Besides, half the people in your list haven't even posted so I'm skeptical about the rationality of it too.

I suppose the whole cordination thing has been flushed down the toilet, since half of the voters did not say who they were voting for.

Did anyone evolve? Or were told they got points (are we even allowed to reveal those things)?

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:55 pm Neat. I will absolutely not voting for Dizzy. Love u fam.

Currently in the running for my point will be going to either DDL or JoH. You two fight to the death for my affection plz.

What does everyone think about ending day 1 in a tie?

In Epi games, ties result in no lynch. I'm not sure if Simon is a chip off the old block like that. Are you proposing a tie just to see what happens since it's not spelled out in the rules or to try to have a lynchless day?

Really? I've played a bunch of Epi games and never seen a no lynch.

Isn't this the second round of voting?

I mean nothing is stopping us from coordinating this phase tbh but it seems half the players are not interested on it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:39 pm @DDL

Do YOU think coordination is a good idea?

Yes

@Jack

1- Agreeing with the concept of coordination =/= agreeing that you unilaterally decide who we vote for and we just follow you.

2- Agreeing =/= not asking questions or considering possible problems and just saying "yes sir" the moment you propose it.

I'm not your slave. And there isn't a contract saying that the moment I agree with your original idea I have to follow everything you say without questioning.

If your definition of "scum" is "does not obey you", then go ahead. Put your vote where your mouth is and vote for me.

Also

3- agreeing with the plan =/= not being allowed to say it out loud when it think the plan has failed for this phase.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:03 pm

Tink wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:08 pm I will not argue about the evolution thing. I already picked.

Ditto. And I picked someone who is smart, a good thinker, and who I think is most definitely civ.

Yay Game!!!

Linki...and guess who caught the error. Me so smart.

Who is most definitely civ?

I can't argue against your own perception. Do whatever you want.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:38 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:33 pm

I can't argue against your own perception. Do whatever you want.

So you choose a straw man instead? :-/

What strawman?

Youre saying I look dishonest. I can say nothing but shrug. Ive explained everything I did in this game, if you dont believe it there is nothing I can do.

Im suspish about Timmer. The bit about not voting for people who asked to be voted left me a bad taste, because it's a cliche (town muat be selfless!) that tends to come up in this kind of game. And here, I'd think someone not wanting to be voted would be a sign of bad rather than otherwise, because baddies can just get votes from their team.

That and he also just disappeared until he came to say he had missed the vote, and vanished again. Hes probably legit busy irl which is NAI, but the whole combination leaves me suspicious. Imma vote for him.

What is thunderdoming

Nah. I think youre town.

And I dont think you are saying town arent allowed to disagree, but you seem to be under the impression there is a hard limit on how much Im allowed to bicker with you if I say I agree with your idea. There isnt, Ill bicker with you everytime you say something I think its wrong no matter how much Im willing to cooperate with you.

Btw, the ship of coordinating the second round of evolution votes is about to sail too, in case you haven't noticed.

This game is too civilized. Where is Mac?

Thunderdoming.

This is my new favoritest mafia term.

Theres a metal song with that name. Imma post it later.

If we are not coordinating then not saying whonwe are giving the points to might be the most optimal. Since the number of town PRs is limited.

I missed lynching you people. It feels good to do it again.

I think voting for people who didn't even post is a waste. They are likely to get replaced eventually. We learn next to nothing from those lynches.

Also I was feeling Boo was town when he posted that. I think mafia wouldn't want to be the first one to barge into a civ consensus and disagree with it.