The Syndicate

Heya.

So how does movement work? I trtied to find something in the rules saying how many squares we can normally move but I didn't.

I'm assuming it's too squares per night since some roles say allowed to move 3.

Also I checked the poll results and now I can't vote.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:30 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:32 am Heya.

So how does movement work? I trtied to find something in the rules saying how many squares we can normally move but I didn't.

I'm assuming it's too squares per night since some roles say allowed to move 3.

Are there roles that say that?

I guess just the Icarus Contraption, but then I assume that gives extra movement?

Anyway, thanks!

Man I spent so much time changing my posts to pink in the Hogwarts game it's weird to just... type things normally now.

[VOTE: Hit the Major Third] aubergine

Whatever that is.

Aubergine: looks like a civ since vote power is OP for baddies, but restricted enough that could be bad
Blind seer: probably civ
Chevuschade Voidwing: bulletproof makes more sense to be bad
D’Abrutsi: obvious 3P
Daisy: probably civ
Dark Worshipper: looks like our hostile indie role
Darth Malignus: name aside, silencing is such a baddie ability. If you are civ think twice before using it at all
Dream Splicer: could be either way
Frost Knight: the "does not block kills" suggests an attempt to balance a civ, but could be bad too
Gentle Shepherd: probably civ
Glint Viper: sounds like a civ, baddies wouldn't want to sacrifice themselves to bring someone back. Unless it can change alignments maybe?
Grimlock Wolverson: could be either
Hollow Man: obvious baddie
Kraken: could be either
Lycantha: tracker type role feels like a civ
Portalman: could be either
Psionic Ninja: very civ-looking, also looks very powerful. I suspect the <secrets> might be something negative, or a indie wincon.
Quantum Key: support-like role, feels civ
Quintessential Cat: 3P
Random Animal: 3P... I think? Or alternates between civ and 3P.
Sakana Sashimi: looks like a good assassin role for baddies, but might be civ
Savage Pixie: most of the text suggests a baddie, but the watcher thing suggests civ
Spirit of the Living Statue: 3P, or someone who can be recruited into any faction
Spirit Wrangler: most spirits sound like civ abilities
Thaddeus Mechaspark: protection sounds like civ, the rest of abilities look neutral
Toxic Frog: vicious sounding role, probably bad
Trickster: very bad sounding
Waresman: sounds like a 3P
Yin/Yang: probably civ

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:20 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:39 pm Aubergine: looks like a civ since vote power is OP for baddies, but restricted enough that could be bad
Blind seer: probably civ
Chevuschade Voidwing: bulletproof makes more sense to be bad
D’Abrutsi: obvious 3P
Daisy: probably civ
Dark Worshipper: looks like our hostile indie role
Darth Malignus: name aside, silencing is such a baddie ability. If you are civ think twice before using it at all
Dream Splicer: could be either way
Frost Knight: the "does not block kills" suggests an attempt to balance a civ, but could be bad too
Gentle Shepherd: probably civ
Glint Viper: sounds like a civ, baddies wouldn't want to sacrifice themselves to bring someone back. Unless it can change alignments maybe?
Grimlock Wolverson: could be either
Hollow Man: obvious baddie
Kraken: could be either
Lycantha: tracker type role feels like a civ
Portalman: could be either
Psionic Ninja: very civ-looking, also looks very powerful. I suspect the <secrets> might be something negative, or a indie wincon.
Quantum Key: support-like role, feels civ
Quintessential Cat: 3P
Random Animal: 3P... I think? Or alternates between civ and 3P.
Sakana Sashimi: looks like a good assassin role for baddies, but might be civ
Savage Pixie: most of the text suggests a baddie, but the watcher thing suggests civ
Spirit of the Living Statue: 3P, or someone who can be recruited into any faction
Spirit Wrangler: most spirits sound like civ abilities
Thaddeus Mechaspark: protection sounds like civ, the rest of abilities look neutral
Toxic Frog: vicious sounding role, probably bad
Trickster: very bad sounding
Waresman: sounds like a 3P
Yin/Yang: probably civ

1/3 of the roles in the game have secrets. Did you take these into account?

Also are we likely to have this many 3P, do you think?

I pretty much ignored them since this was just a preliminary guess.

And yeah, I'd assume lots of 3P. Maybe even more since the setup imples civs can change to 3P.

Sounds like everything in this game is a reference to something.

Or just LC/BR feeling creative.

linki: ninja'd

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:07 pm pichu is good in this game

How

Nutella is fluffing so hard this game I almost think she has a curse.

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:15 am btw i decided i have a truth meta now

You bad?

I normally don't analyse roles too deeply at once but I'm normally not given a list of 28 roles that I'm supposed to figure out the alignment of so that really incited my curiosity.

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:51 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:39 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:21 pm These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

The Tribunal of Judgment is from A World Apart, it was three civvies with BTSC plus a lynch switch and pardon. Seems pro-town imo

Sounds good. Why didn't you mention this when you voted?

I actually liked Tranq for this post. He made a good point on TH and I tend to trust people who hunt at super early game when nobody else is hunting. Not gonna put my vote here. Might put on TH.

He also made some posts before that that looked like trying to figure people out.

I mean it could be forced especially in a game with two mafias but I tend to see it as unecessary risk for a baddie.

Are people really suspecting me for the role stuff?

I just liked the puzzle and wanted to see if I could figure it out.

Also I disagree that making effort in the first page of Day 0 is typical of mafia.

Nobody makes effort at that stage. Mafia doesn't have to bother. They can just fluff and still blend in.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:00 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:06 am I normally don't analyse roles too deeply at once but I'm normally not given a list of 28 roles that I'm supposed to figure out the alignment of so that really incited my curiosity.

Oh word?

30 players, 2 secret roles. I didn't actually count them manually.

Oh shit maybe I should have had. There are 30 roles PLUS the 2 secret ones.

Does this mean some players have more than 1 role?

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:03 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:04 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:15 am btw i decided i have a truth meta now

You bad?

I am a civilian.

You won a game as a serial killer a few months ago, and now you're gonna downgrade your playstyle by adopting a truth meta?

Lame.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:19 pm Keep an eye on the folks who darted in here early and, in light of the D0 poll result, pooh-poohed ties on the lynch poll. It’s a subtle way to establish a preemptive cop-out for either train-hopping later (to show they stick to their convictions) or blame-shifting to set up fall guys who tie polls that result in mislynches.

Close lynches and ties (whether mid-phase or at EOD) are valuable sources of information. Granted, that information is best in hindsight after the herd has thinned some.

We may not know who is on the Tribunal but we’re starting out with more civs than baddies (unless this game is extra-double whacky) and there are also two baddie factions, so the odds are against Tribunal being filled with one baddie team.

This post is an amazing piece of wisdom and logic that doesn't acrually do any scumhuting.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:39 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:25 pm To me the only reason a person would vote to tie a lynch that they weren't in danger in is because they are on the tribunal or know who is and they want to save the person that is in the lead during the un-tied period.

Significantly more plausible baddie motives RE: Ties.

Knowing more than meets the eye is far from the only reason that ties happen. At EOD it does look suspicious but it happens many times during the day phase as well. Some people have hunches about and reads on people that lead them to tie up the poll. Poll momentum shifts as the day progresses as well. Your post is very short-sighted, reactive, and dismissive. Anyone else posting it and I’d be somewhat suspicious. But you’re you, so I don’t know if the needle moves much.

The wisdom continues. G-Man knows how to play mafia.

I am hyped to see him actually playing.

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:29 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:23 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:03 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:04 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:15 am btw i decided i have a truth meta now

You bad?

I am a civilian.

You won a game as a serial killer a few months ago, and now you're gonna downgrade your playstyle by adopting a truth meta?

Lame.

the truth meta is for this game only

Then it's not really a meta is it

I hate this argument about ties. It's full of WIFOM and NAI and general inconclusive waste of time.

Someone tieing a poll could mean literally anything, such as... wanting that person to be lynched.

Actually I have to confess I attacked G-Man's second post after just glancing at it and deciding he wasn't doing any hunting, then I actually bothered to read it thoroughly and noticed he tried to read DH.

Still think he is talking about ties way too much so I'll keep my vote there for now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:07 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:04 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:56 pm What do you think of the reason I gave for voting for Tranq, DH? It was your post, after all.

Tranq's post RE: "the poll is meaningless" struck me as disingenuous. Like he wanted to find something to say and wanted to feign ignorance.

It's a suspicious thing to have said on his part, and a good reason to vote for him.

My thoughts eggzacktly, but I give him less meh for his explanation just now.

It's less suspicious of you to articulate those reasons instead of parroting me twice.

I do not care about this right now.

Sloonei releasing his inner Jay, down to the "fuck you and your opinion about me" thing.

Tranq acted like a pro-active hunter early then he weirdly changed his demeanor to a more reactive and passive one.

Mac is supatowing

Sloonei also feels like supatowning but in a way that's not so hard to fake

Has anyone seen Quin? At this point I'd expect to see him angrily hissing at the people accusing him.

Could be but I just have never seen mafia Mac get away with that so I'm not that paranoid about it.

I mean I played with him as a baddie and he just lazily coasted and bandwagoned to victory.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:03 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:59 pm Could be but I just have never seen mafia Mac get away with that so I'm not that paranoid about it.

I mean I played with him as a baddie and he just lazily coasted and bandwagoned to victory.

Despite having played with Mac for like... 100 years going back to RYM, I actually have never been able to distinguish between town Mac and scum Mac. But I haven't registered the same level of commitment to his reads as I'd normally get in the like 10 posts he's made this game.

Maybe I just got lucky but so far I've had a good streak with Mac. FIrst game I saw him as bad I called it, and I'm usually right about him being civ too.

Could be broken anytime though, I suppose.

I kind of agree with Epi on Colin. His post voting on me is beyond terrible. So terrible I have to wonder why a mafia would make it. Feels like a classic "too bad to be bad" case.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:58 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:36 pm I hate this argument about ties. It's full of WIFOM and NAI and general inconclusive waste of time.

Someone tieing a poll could mean literally anything, such as... wanting that person to be lynched.

While I agree with the sentiment, the language of this post feels a little too dismissive of the conversation itself. I like that people talked about ties. It gave us content and produced some new areas of discussion.

I mean literally any subject can produce content and new areas of discussion. It doesn't change the fact the subject itself is a waste of time.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:46 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:42 am

I'm not overly concerned with DDL's post speculating about role alignments. It's not wrong to suggest that baddies will talk about mechanics rather than gameplay early on, but I don't necessarily get that vibe from DDL. That's not to say I get definitively town vibes from him, but he's shown himself to be a somewhat idiosyncratic player in the past and I've mistakenly held that against him more than once. Also, he's not shied away from gameplay discussion either.

That said, his posts haven't read as surefire civilian to me. Some things:

This gave me vertigo.

Reads are rarely well-defined on Day 1.

I feel like you have made more remarks about how Day 1 is supposed to be weak than anyone else even though you have more posts and contribution than most people anyway.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:34 am Coming from experience, i think sloonei looks town. I drilled a hole into him for his weird wording and actions in megaman, and we were both town. I'm more interested in the fact DDL still isnt the main topic of discussion with 3 votes on him

Wait, I'm not? Could have fooled me.

Tranq keeps looking more and more passive and making Night 0 seems like his strongest moment in the game and I hate that.

[VOTE: Tranq] aubergine

Also G-Man's defense is alright. Not exactly conclusive, but believable.

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:25 am Picture looks fine.

I can vote after having posted. Looks like DH saw he couldn't vote, posted, and then pooped about not being able to vote without realising he should now be able to.

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:21 pm These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

He has some starting posts which suggests he's trying to figure out what other people are doing.

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:51 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:39 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:21 pm These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

The Tribunal of Judgment is from A World Apart, it was three civvies with BTSC plus a lynch switch and pardon. Seems pro-town imo

Sounds good. Why didn't you mention this when you voted?

This post was pretty good. TH hid information that could have been useful. He called him out on it.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:55 am Yeah i'm not feeling this Sloonei case. He reads civ to me. Also voting the top poster on Day 1 isn't a great idea.

G-Man is someone i want to hear more from today. I want to see how he responds to DDL and INH (maybe others?) calling him out.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:21 am On Day 1 if nothing really stands out i prefer to vote a low or non-poster.

Then he changed to a more passive approach. Waiting to see what others will do. Saying nothing stands out and he might vote a low poster. I dunno, my gut says he was trying to look super pro-active at first but now he found a more comfortable spot.

What is the case on Jack? I see two votes on him but I don't remember anything that really pinged me.

Me realizing I have 700 posts to read.

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:34 pm What is cbob generally like? I don't think I know him.

I feel like if I made a rank of who I suck at reading the most, CBob would probably be my #1.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:13 pm DrWilgy would be my lazy default low-poster choice.

Time for me to go and vote. I guess i'll go with the lazy default low-poster choice.

This post is about as bad as that post from Colin that I said is too bad to be bad so now I gotta wonder is this is too bad to be bad too.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:52 pm sorry the quitting thing was a joke i just remembered people got in trouble for saying that in hogwarts lol yikes

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:52 pm Sloonei boi is town, he had a real life excuse for not being active yet he has a buttload of posts

...

So?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:19 pm Is there a Wilgy case or is it day 1 lynch a lurker?

Are you even asking this question with a straight face?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:37 pm Taking a closer look at Luna to see how I feel about her contributions as a whole:
Cites a rule that could be broken if we're not careful. This can be seen in the same vein as DDL's mechanics-talk which got him into trouble. I'm not sure I want to treat it that way, but it's there.

This sounds like some pointless piece of context. Why do you need to say someone else's post is "similar to what put DDL under scrutiny"? Who put me under that scrutiny? It wasn't you. So why are you using someone else's scrutiny of me to analyse a third person?

It doesn't feel like a civ way of thinking imo. It's like you are trying to create connections that don't mean anything just because you need connections to create.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:56 am @Sloonei
That’s very sweet of you.

@Dragon D. Luffy
You ever give that Nutella read I asked for?

Oh sorry I totally missed it.

I'd say town but not strongly. Her stuff about defending the poor wishy-washy populations reads genuine as fuck, but is also not entirely related to the game. It's not like mafia can't be genuine. But I feel no reason to read her as bad so far. I did say she was super fluffly early but that wasn't exactly AI.

Dana wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:31 pm I have a few questions from way back in the thread:

What is supertowning?
What is a truth meta? Is it literally just saying "I'm gonna tell the truth"? Because isn't that the whole point of this game?


I'm still a few pages behind but I've been taking some notes and attempting to form some opinions so I will be back again soon but this game is wild.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:35 pm Who is @Dana ?

Hi, I am!

Supatowning is when somebody looks like they are making a huge amount of town effort. Very subjective.

Truth meta is when a person refuses to lie in games ever. They just hate doing it. If they are mafia they will say "I'm mafia" if you ask their alignment. If they are town they are confirmed by default when they claim. In this site only Glorfindel does that, afaik, and he's not playing. Enrique did say he has a truth meta "for only one game" but that doesn't make sense, because like you said, that's the point of the game.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:26 am (active in terms of being less passive)

I wouldn't have imagined that meaning for the word if you didn't clarify. Thanks.

(acrually sorry I know there is another meaning but couldnt help it)