The Syndicate

Page 1 and I'm already confused by the Jay-nova argument.

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:52 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:51 am What do you think this setup looks like?
Haven't the slightest clue. At 19, 15 vs 4 would be the closest to a raw balance. Independents change that though, as do the roles which could be anything. Who knows

I've seen you do more detailed analysis with similar levels of scarce info.

Though we did give you shit last time you did it so I get if you don't wanna do it again.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:51 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:41 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:52 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:51 am What do you think this setup looks like?
Haven't the slightest clue. At 19, 15 vs 4 would be the closest to a raw balance. Independents change that though, as do the roles which could be anything. Who knows
I've seen you do more detailed analysis with similar levels of scarce info.

Though we did give you shit last time you did it so I get if you don't wanna do it again.
Does Jay strikes as someone who would care about being given shit for something that he believes is ultimately beneficial to the town?

Maybe not, but Jay is a person too, he could break eventually.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:50 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:35 am Page 1 and I'm already confused by the Jay-nova argument.
A lot of poo throwing. What confused most about it?

All of it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:55 am Why cut me slack there, DDL?

Why not? Gotta consider all the possible explanations for things.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:03 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:01 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:55 am Why cut me slack there, DDL?
Why not? Gotta consider all the possible explanations for things.
Did it help you to derive a stance on my alignment?

Not really.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:08 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:05 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:03 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:01 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:55 am Why cut me slack there, DDL?
Why not? Gotta consider all the possible explanations for things.
Did it help you to derive a stance on my alignment?
Not really.
That’s because you exonerated me before I had to answer to the accusation. That’s never going to get anywhere.

Implying I wanted to make an accusation out of it.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:38 am Dragon D. Luffy I hate to belabor the point but I'm lost as to why you find Jay and nova's back and forth as confusing. To me it was basically "ur bad" "no ur bad" "see, ur bad" "see, ur bad" etc. What did I miss that was confusing?

Yeah that's all I got too.

Hence the confusion.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:52 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:30 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:08 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:05 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:03 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:01 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:55 am Why cut me slack there, DDL?
Why not? Gotta consider all the possible explanations for things.
Did it help you to derive a stance on my alignment?
Not really.
That’s because you exonerated me before I had to answer to the accusation. That’s never going to get anywhere.
Implying I wanted to make an accusation out of it.
The bolded part sounds a bit like an accusation. The italicized sounds like a soft defence to the accusation.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:41 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:52 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:51 am What do you think this setup looks like?
Haven't the slightest clue. At 19, 15 vs 4 would be the closest to a raw balance. Independents change that though, as do the roles which could be anything. Who knows
I've seen you do more detailed analysis with similar levels of scarce info.

Though we did give you shit last time you did it so I get if you don't wanna do it again.

It's making a point about Jay being different. What it is not is an attempt to point Jay as bad for that difference, followed by waiting for him to defend himself, and then saying "okay I didn't actually suspect you, was just fishing for a reaction". Which is apparently the framework Jay wants me to follow.

It's just pointing a difference, then also pointing a possible explanation for the difference, which in turn makes an attempt to accuse him pointless since I don't believe in that accusation myself.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:53 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:52 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:46 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:38 am Dragon D. Luffy I hate to belabor the point but I'm lost as to why you find Jay and nova's back and forth as confusing. To me it was basically "ur bad" "no ur bad" "see, ur bad" "see, ur bad" etc. What did I miss that was confusing?
hmmm.
What does "hmmm" mean here?
I don't really think Jay thinks nova is bad.

I don't think anybody thinks that either.

Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

I do think nova is a civ tho.

I think nova is a civ but you'll have to do a lot to convince me to follow him into any tunnel.

I don't know this band but I thought Donald Fagan was funny in how he has the same super serious face in the old video mac posted and the pic in the first post, so I voted him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:26 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:10 am Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?

What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.

Also Jay, telling lies in the internet is not nice.

Jya is strangely unfazed by the fact I called him a liar.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:18 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:13 am I do think nova is a civ tho.
What do you think of Jay and Dunya?

and

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:19 am
It’s in the punctuation and the goodnight. Matahari made it clear in three words that 1) she is here, and 2) she isn’t going to say anything. And I don’t think she looks concerned with the repercussions.

I've gotten mislynched as a civ about 5 times for that. It eventually became a meme and was nominated as best quote for the site's version of the socky awards.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:43 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:42 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:19 am
It’s in the punctuation and the goodnight. Matahari made it clear in three words that 1) she is here, and 2) she isn’t going to say anything. And I don’t think she looks concerned with the repercussions.
I've gotten mislynched as a civ about 5 times for that. It eventually became a meme and was nominated as best quote for the site's version of the socky awards.
Does that imply that you read Matahari as a civilian?

No, it only implies I'm not particularly convinced by your tell.

Man I get why Epi posts like this every game. It's so liberating.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:50 am I called nova town and speed bad in my first post to throw out my impressions from the posts up to that point. So those were the previous stances, before the juliets/Mac thing came up which I found an intriguing possibility (the implication that they're teammates. So I'm keeping a close eye on both of them. As
for Luna, well she only has a couple posts and they didn't feel the most natural (as Jay pointed out she kinda overjustified her d0 vote).

The comparison you draw between my speed and juliets mentions is unfair. Speed was an early gut suspect. Like, early early. I'm giving him a chance to say what he can (in his state lol). Juliets I am keeping an eye on because of a strange thing nova pointed out that may tie her to Mac, and I don't see anything inspiring from Mac so that is on the table imo.

I'm not sure if I believe you believe this stuff.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:10 pm Jack reels off 12 posts in quick succession. Only one read exists in that set, and it is conditional crud: “DDL and Jay not both bad”

Poop

I dunno I'd call 1/12 a very productive ratio for d0.

The "spicy" argument sounds like a bunch of people reaching. Skimmed most of it.

Jay is on par with civ Jay, yeah he's making a few forced posts but that's his thing. Not that hard to fake as mafia tho.

Jack sounds legit. So does nova.

Dunya is whatever. Too soon to call alignment since she seems to be adjusting her desired activity level.

I don't like nutella too much but I'll try to avoid tunneling here. Let's say weak bad read for now.

The rest needs to post more for me to have ideas.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:19 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:18 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:07 pm Daisy is a civilian.
Two of her three reads are real questionable and two of her three could easily be distancing.
Let's approach it the Jack way.

Do you think Daisy's scum move is to go straight after the J squad?

Why not? I wouldn't say you are one of the most dangerous players to accuse. You aren't particularly prone to have aggressive reactions to it.

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:34 pm Just because I think I need to post something, I’ll put this out here.
I’m at a point where I’m making connections between people, no further than that. I have connected at least five people, but I’m not naming them yet. Because, I feel like studying them more, and because I don’t feel strongly that any of them are bad. One more because- there are still two people who haven’t checked in yet.

If I need to say anything more productive, prod me and I’ll try. Otherwise, I’m going back to observation mode.

I like the sound of that. Keep doing it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:25 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:21 pm Why not? I wouldn't say you are one of the most dangerous players to accuse. You aren't particularly prone to have aggressive reactions to it.
It's not "aggression" I refer to as much as "persistence". All three of Jack, juliets, and I are players who are likely to engage in a prolonged interaction which forces a mafioso accuser to continuously make posts.

I don't think it's a terribly important point though. I was more trying to speak Jack's language.

Hmm that depends. If I argue with you I expect an intellectually tiring argument, but I also expect you to change focus fast. Somebody will pass in front of you being suspicious and you'll let me slip away.

Now if I accuse, say, nova, I'm flirting with danger. Because if he notices my argument is fabricated he's gonna tunnel me until hell freezes over.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:28 pm To me, Jack and Daisy is the epitome of what differentiates misrepresentation from misinterpretation. I think it's the latter.

Reading posts like that at 11 PM after uni makes me want to grab that green fruit in your avatar and throw it onto the wall.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:02 pm I’m just gonna add

to my posts sometimes.
[/quote]

something funny

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:07 pm are there more recent examples of scum nova since community?

I played with jester nova recently. It was fun.

(I was tunneling on nova and being 100% sure he was bad which almost caused us to lose the game)

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:29 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:59 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:54 pm I suspect DDL more than I suspect Jay. I’m saying if either ever flips wolf, I’m trusting the other.
are you saying you suspect both of them to varying degrees then?

linki: @Matahari it means wolf/wolf
Thank you, and the others who let me know. I like it better than baddie because baddie sounds like baby talk.
These are the people I am feeling antsy about, although I don’t want to point out connections yet.
DDL, Nova, the high guy, Jack, and to a lesser degree, Jay, Juliets, the missing players.
Can’t really tell anything with Nutella right now, I hope she loses interest in song lyrics soon.
Daisy, Dunya, leaning town.
Going ISO MAC and a few others

Tons of linki again.

[VOTE: the high guy] aubergine

(actually not voting this was just a joke)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:42 pm I am trying to make heads or tails of this mac juliets weirdness and nope.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:02 pm Nutella hiding behind a posting gimmick and throwing TMI all over the place then giving weak player salad suspicions without sincerity and preempting suspicion = die.

I don't wanna parrot people but this is the third time someone attacks nutella and I agree with it.

Let's [VOTE: nutella] aubergine before Mac also joins the ranks of the "maybe nutella is a civ" crew too and I lose my point of support.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:07 pm I am aware that right in the beginning Jay throws out names attached to alignments like candy. But now others are doing it too, namely dunya and nutella. Is this knew? Are they just trying to seem civ since Jay does it when he is civ? IDK.

I liked juliets' post which questioned nutella's reads, I thought that was spot on. Nutella says her posting lyrics is a challenge for herself to get into the theme of the game. How is copying and pasting lyrics from the internet a challenge? I think it is an attempt as a distractions from making reads.

I disagree with Jack and agree with Jay that daisy's reads look authentic. I am calling daisy civ for now.

?=no memorable posts
Dragon D. Luffy - ?
dunya - yellow
Elochin - GREEN
Jackofhearts2005 - yellow
JaggedJimmyJay - green
juliets - greem
Kites - yellow
leetic - ?
Long Con - ?
Lunalee - green
MacDougall - ?
Matahari - red - the post where she/he said all that she's been able to do is make some connections but isn't willing to share them
Neverwhere - ?
nijuukyugou - ?
novaselinenever - yellow
nutella - red - but I always think she is bad and that her posts seem baddie aligned
reywaS - ?
Spacedaisy - green
speedchuck - yellow

I am on page 9. But I have to use my computer for family use atm and cannot read anymore.

I've noticed lately Jay has progressively waited less time to start calling alignments.

And yay another member of the "nutella is fishy" crew.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:02 pm Nutella hiding behind a posting gimmick and throwing TMI all over the place then giving weak player salad suspicions without sincerity and preempting suspicion = die.
No TMI and I don't care what you think is salad.

The thing is that you can't even complain we are lynching you for being on the fence this time.

Cuz you aren't being on the fence. Quite the opposite, you are saying things with a hubris that is not usual and not convincing me you actually believe in what you are typing.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:12 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:07 pm speedchuck - yellow

Peck neck.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:29 pm DDL, I got bad news for you.

Just cause a skittle is lime flavored does not mean it counts as a fruit.

Oh so that...

Ooooooh, so that's why it has an S on it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:47 pm Dragon D. Luffy, could you summarize in your own words what concerns you about nutella?

It's mostly based on stuff other people said and I agreed with tbh. She has a kind of mean disposition to making civ play in this game, which is not common of her. She makes reads only when prodded, and those feel forced.

That said I totes enjoyed nova's post about saying Eloh might be opportunistic regarding nutella which makes me like my own nutella vote a little less.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:29 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:11 am Gimme a graded rainbow Jay
Maybe tomorrow. I’m tired.

I'm totally not going to quote this post in the future for selfish reasons.

I don't understand those Lunalee votes.

I barely remember she's in the game.

I feel some of the people townreading me are bad. At least one of them

Feels like one of those games where I manage to post in a very obvious civ way which convinces people, but baddies already noticed that and are blending in.

I might get NKd soon.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:46 am Pretty sure it was you who actually told me to start doing that quite a while ago too.

Not sure if I told it to you directly, but it is reqlly something I did myself. I used to tunnel vision a lot more.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:48 am Oh yeah it's in my sig hahaha.

Oh that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:21 am dunya, Jack doesn't seem to know what you're talking about either. What does that mean to you?

I don't dig dunya's case myself but this post is pretty scummy.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:06 am I see I should have done mafia stuff last night instead of being lazy.

Leaving mafia stuff to the next day always results in 500 extra posts to read.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:44 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:38 am I feel some of the people townreading me are bad. At least one of them

Feels like one of those games where I manage to post in a very obvious civ way which convinces people, but baddies already noticed that and are blending in.

I might get NKd soon.
I feel like I've been able to civ read you better lately. Things that I used to incorrectly read you as Mafia for I now see as civ traits. Tbh it was mostly my cynicism because I used to read you bad for having strong insights that I chalked up to TMI but I've come to realise that we sort of see the game similarly. The way that I have been handling our interactions in games lately is a lot of the reason I feel my civilian game has improved. That and taking a back seat more. I realised that even though I have strong insight into scum, that brute forcing my opinions into the thread was counterintuitive to civilian wins and started playing more cerebrally. Less plaudits but stronger results. Only took me 8 years.
Hmmmmmm

Unpopular opinion: Mac is bad

You mean that nagging feeling Mac is pocketing me? I have it too.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:00 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:07 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:21 am dunya, Jack doesn't seem to know what you're talking about either. What does that mean to you?
I don't dig dunya's case myself but this post is pretty scummy.
DDL, why does this seem scummy?

It feels manipulative. He's using Jack's opinion (which is not even an opinion, is just Jack not understanding dunya's case) in order to try and make her feel insecure about it. He could argue with dunya but he's shutting her down by using group pressure.

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