The Syndicate

Yo.

Just a heads up, my activity will be very limited until sunday, since I'll be having classes this weekend, so bear with me.

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +

That's not gonna fly, just like any other attempt to break the claiming rule.

That said, you will be surprised at these people's ability to catch hints and figure how roles even without claiming (doesn't include me, I suck at catching hints).

Eventually something will come out.

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:31 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 pm Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +
This would be angleshooting and would be a violation of rules. And there’s no way to get players to buy in. And it is absolutely not worth the loss of civilian votes on Day 1. This plan would set us way back.

I propose we stick to the gameplan of making noise and hunting scum.
You sound like you're dismissing this out of hand way too easily. Strongly disagree, we should try to extract as much value out of our informational roles as we possibly can. If not my way, then some other way.

Angleshooting like this only arises because no claims in set ups like these are awkward

This setup would be completely unplayable if claiming was allowed.

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:49 pm Civilians must vote to keep their heels on the throat of mafia. Any plan that recommends civilians do not vote is suspect to me.
I would speculate that Ultra probably just comes from a community that's more accustomed to roleclaiming and mechanical hijinks than we are. He's thinking outside the box and, like speedchuck said before me, he's being very proactive and throwing himself into the thick of things right off the bat here, which contrasts with his Scrimmage entry.

I think he's town. He's just looking at the game from a different vantage point than the Syndicate is used to.
I actually wanted to comment on this. In my community, we do closed role madness set ups which allow role/character claiming in most cases, but by design, do not allow claiming to give too much of an advantage (and often, a counter advantage). We minimize the amount of roles that are actually alignment indicative and this encourages play which focuses on the social aspect more than the mechanics.

So I wouldn't describe myself as a mechanical player. But if I see a free lunch, I'm going to eat it.

You can design a game like how you are describing, or you can make one like this and ban claiming, because damn we aren't missing the chance to play this delicious Arrowverse setup just because some people are used to claiming.

Both are valid ways to think. Personally I'd rather have multiple options when I'm making games. I've made both types myself.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:19 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:11 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:07 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:04 pm I think you allow Felicia to determine that.
Can you see how the reflexive suggestion to "just let the info roles do their own thing man" in a no claim/info set up is kinda suspicious.
No.

Whatever information civilians telegraph in the thread is information the mafia have. There is no advantage.

I cut my teeth here. DFaraday games are my kind of game. I want the civilians to use their roles in accordance with their best judgment. Some of the roles in this setup would make even me nervous if I were bad.

Let them do their job. If you are good, your job is to help lynch mafia.
Finding a way to broadcast peeks itt is beneficial to scum. Ok.

I'll drop this point when I'm satisfied that there's no avenue here to extract valuable info from info roles. But I have not played a no claim set up with cops because, quite frankly, it's very awkward and defies the point of including them. For example, the felicia player or whoever else could drop hints or breadcrumb but I would assume that's also against the rules if my proposition is.

So when I see you suggest "let them sort it out", you're effectively saying "do nothing"
This has been the setup on The Syndicate for years. It isn't the case so much anymore, but DFaraday is a relic here.

I'll speak plainly: I am not one bit concerned with using info roles or worrying about what Night actions people perform.

I am going to enjoy an old school classic Syndicate YOU USED AN ADVERB and enjoy myself in the bargain.

Oooh reminded me I should mention in my Girl Genius thread it also bans claiming. Maybe it will help get old school players.

Oof Ultra wanted to drop the discussion and I made 4 posts about it. Sorry.

Ultra is town.

Sloonei hasn't done enough to warrant trust yeah but so far he is okay. Don't feel like lynching him. He is a bit trickier to read compared to Jay (his mafia twin) because civ Jay tends to be suffocating, while civ Sloonei is a bit more contained in that regard. He leads but he doesn't completely dominate the thread.

Nutella feels good but I want more time to be sure.

Mac feels good but my Macdar is currently in the trash and I'm waiting for the new one to arrive in my mail.

Epi is whatever, he is saying cold hard truths but mafia can do that just fine.

I feel like Epi does that kind of silly play every game and I won't take it very seriously.

Cult = any faction who can recruit. Usually starts with a single member and has the goal of outnumbering the rest.

That said the classic cult tends to win alone and make the other factions lose. This seems to be a more benign cult. Also cults are usually forbidden from recruiting mafia, which is not the case here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 10:35 am Cause the only things easier to win with than cults and survivors are friggin Survivor cults.

I see you've never faced a Jester Cult.

I'm 15 pages begind and I think I'll just wait for day 1 so I can start playing from there.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:57 pm But also I apologize for being responsible for 10 of those 15 pages.

Relax, been here for 4 years already, and I've never been one to hate people for posting too much.

I wasn't able to be active this weekend and won't be active tomorrow either. If I could, then staying up to date woupd be easier. I'm just considering optimizing it instead of spending a week slowly catching up.

Caught up. On day 1. Day 0 will probably be buried in some alterntive dimension where I had a free weekend.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 12:28 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 12:20 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 12:14 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 12:10 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 6:18 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 6:05 pm Are you trying to say that because the suggestion makes no sense and I thought your iso made no sense?
No.

Part of your accusation against me was that I accused nutella to try to impress others/make myself look good/potentially establish myself as "deepwolf", if I am understanding you correctly. These are your words.

Then MafiaMenace suggests the possibility of another player being "deepwolf", and these are your words:
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 4:45 pm Deepwolf in D0 already?
You seemed to be accusing me of deepwolfing on Day 0, but then you cast doubt on MafiaMenace for suggesting the possibility of the same characteristics in a different player.
Yes you were trying to establish yourself as a deepwolf but I just don't believe someone can become one D0. Becoming one requires multiple DPs of powerwolfing, this DP was just one of those for you. Someone powerwolfing in order to become a deepwolf D0 is different from someone being a deepwolf outright in D0 and the latter is what I don't believe.
Or, you know, Sloonei is a civilian.
Or, you know, he's not.
You’re making the same mistakes as last game.

Don't really like the tone of this post. Feels arrogant, and I tend to associate that to baddies.

I don't get why there is a juliets case though I usually can't read juliets anyway.

But I saw some people saying most of her posts were just promises of catching up and I have to ask how that is not NAI anyway.

Understanding this game without reading 15 pages is hard, but I'll get into the groove eventually.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:14 am I know that my scum hunting seems dumb but I guarantee you that the list is full of Mafia.

I'm pretty sure of that, thugh I bet a lot of them have "Town" in front of their names.

I've been getting civ vibes on Jack. I think a baddie would be trying harder to generate a lot of reads and stuff. He is super chill about the fact he's tunneling on nutella and doesn't care about her complaints of it. And Jack does tnnel as a civ. A lot.

I don't necessarily agree with his points though, but nutella is blank for me. Will take a while for me to figure her out.

Lux's responses give me a bad tone. Might vote there. Though I'm worried it may be confirmation bias because I'm kind of making an effort to see what other people are seeing in Lux.

Sabie feels civ as fuck. Sloonei feels good. Drago is pretty good too. I don't think I have more.

Ultra felt town on early Day 0 now he's kind of missing.

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:39 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:06 am Sabie feels civ as fuck. Sloonei feels good. Drago is pretty good too. I don't think I have more.

Ultra felt town on early Day 0 now he's kind of missing.
Low motive because I haven't had any fire burning gut scum reads.

I probably will when I do my reread.

I keep thinking your posts are from Creature too, because of youir similarly colored avatars.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:25 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:04 am I've been getting civ vibes on Jack. I think a baddie would be trying harder to generate a lot of reads and stuff. He is super chill about the fact he's tunneling on nutella and doesn't care about her complaints of it. And Jack does tnnel as a civ. A lot.

I don't necessarily agree with his points though, but nutella is blank for me. Will take a while for me to figure her out.
Here’s the thing, too. When I tunnel as a civ (or even as a neutral or scum player in multiball) I’m generally right.

See: Silver Lantern in Mass Effect, SenorSalt in BSG (MU), Fraggernaut in One Punch Mash (MU), Speedchuck in Ancient Greece, Rich in Restless Communication 2 (MU Discord).

I tunnel because I’m certain and I’m certain because I’m right.

I know you tunnel because I remember you tunneling on me when we were both civ/civ.

So... no.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:49 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:25 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:04 am I've been getting civ vibes on Jack. I think a baddie would be trying harder to generate a lot of reads and stuff. He is super chill about the fact he's tunneling on nutella and doesn't care about her complaints of it. And Jack does tnnel as a civ. A lot.

I don't necessarily agree with his points though, but nutella is blank for me. Will take a while for me to figure her out.
Here’s the thing, too. When I tunnel as a civ (or even as a neutral or scum player in multiball) I’m generally right.

See: Silver Lantern in Mass Effect, SenorSalt in BSG (MU), Fraggernaut in One Punch Mash (MU), Speedchuck in Ancient Greece, Rich in Restless Communication 2 (MU Discord).

I tunnel because I’m certain and I’m certain because I’m right.
I know you tunnel because I remember you tunneling on me when we were both civ/civ.

So... no.
Pff that didn’t happen. I would remember something like that.

Mountain Mafia.

Took you until like Day 4 to let go of me.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:04 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:01 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 12:44 pm It's certainly a gamble. If sloonei is town after all losing him would be a significant hot to the thread activity and we'd all have to step it up. But, if he's bad he's all the more dangerous with his influence.
@Sloonei Bad wishy washy or good wishy washy? I'm leaning on bad.
I feel more bad about speedchuck’s than nutella’s?
Speed's doesn't really sway either way. Nutella's posts their I really don't like though. She's being very hesitant on whether or not to lynch you. She has a scum read on you, but is trying to find an excuse to not push for you because you might be town and big blow to the faction. She ain't trying to get her hands dirty against you by pushing and leading a wagon on you. She wants support and insight on whether or not it's a good thing to push for you and that sort of approach is one like a wolf trying to test for a possible mislynch they can get on. If they have the town's ok on it, it'd be fine(or at least a few ppl's insight so they look terribly bad for redirection a wholeass lynch on you).

I know I did something similar in the scrimmage where I asked players if they wanna lynch x player but I was chill, non-chalant about it. Here she's iffy and it's not a good look. I also understand that she thinks townies should be hesitant, but imo that hesitance is only ok when it's the good wishy washy, trying to figure out if a person's posts make them town or scum. This hesitance is bad wishy washy.

What do you think?

This post makes me read both you and nutella better.

Literally "nutella is wishy-washy lynch her" case #62089347505790485

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:27 pm Nobody said a word about Cooler. Not even to point out that I misidentified him as Creature at one point.

I think that kind of accusation is pretty common from civ Cooler tbh.

He's a pretty aggro player who tends to start cases easily. And he has being wrong about me like half a dozen times so I'm used to him not being exactly fair with his cases.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:10 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:09 pm Literally "nutella is wishy-washy lynch her" case #62089347505790485
Taken at face value then sure.

Nutella being lynched for being wishy-washed is practically a meme at this point.

She's always wishy-washy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:15 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:27 pm Nobody said a word about Cooler. Not even to point out that I misidentified him as Creature at one point.
I think that kind of accusation is pretty common from civ Cooler tbh.

He's a pretty aggro player who tends to start cases easily. And he has being wrong about me like half a dozen times so I'm used to him not being exactly fair with his cases.
Idk what aggro means here

Aggressive

I tried but I don't suspect anyone with under 50 posts.

Granted some of them made their posts while I was busy so I have nothing to judge.

I hardly suspect people with more than 50 posts either

Damn I'm a mess in this game.

I'll just sit here opposing every wagon and at EoD I'll vote for the one I oppose the least.

Which rn I guess is Luxurious.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I could townread MM, DDL if I must.

@MafiaMenace DDL is the player I thought you were when I first met you on GDS.

I've used that avatar before so it makes sense.

Also it's literally Luffy.

Because having two Dragons in this game isn't confusing enough. We need to have two Luffies.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:33 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I hardly suspect people with more than 50 posts either

Damn I'm a mess in this game.
Fix it. What’s your current take on general events in the thread? Where is your mind?

That's such a large and open question.

I don't have a current take on general events, I have a bunch of small points I'm making as I go.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:36 pm Maybe MM is your Speedchuck

What does that even mean

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:36 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:33 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm I hardly suspect people with more than 50 posts either

Damn I'm a mess in this game.
Fix it. What’s your current take on general events in the thread? Where is your mind?
That's such a large and open question.

I don't have a current take on general events, I have a bunch of small points I'm making as I go.
It’s supposed to be large and open.

Why is Lux the wagon you dislike the least?

I don't like Lux's tone defending herself I guess. Feels like shes more worried about dismissing accusations than contributing, or something like that. It's a "mean" demeanor she didn't have in the previous game, where she was more loose and friendly.

But that's all gut, and I'm seriously worried that I'm letting the fact people are voting for her color my impression of her. It's just that for a lot of those cases, I look at the person and think "yeah, no, don't wanna lynch". For Lux it's more like "sure why not".

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 5:36 pm Imma go read the other game this is boring

I'm in this game and not in the other one so how can the other be more interesting

This speed lynch feels like fun and games.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

I voted speedchuck and now some people want a CFD on me.

Interesting.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:39 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:09 pm I voted speedchuck and now some people want a CFD on me.

Interesting.
Who and which is the most scummy of them?

Beats me I'm just stirring the pot.

Main reason I don't wanna lynch Cooler is because it's his first game in TS and I don't want to lynch a newcomer on Day 1.

Also I'm pretty neutral on him.

nutella also keeps feeling more and more civ.

Lux it is.

[VOTE: Luxurious] aubergine

I do agree Matahari's latest defense sucks and would not be opposed to a Mata CFD.

[VOTE: Matahari] aubergine

Having second thoughts on Lux

Damn why must she be so funny

Guys what if we lynch Mata instead.

How come Sloonei makes 400 posts on Day 0/1 but isn't around to join a CFD on his biggest case.

What bizarro world is that

Who failed this city?

Us.

Ultra is a civ.

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