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by Dragon D. Luffy
Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:13 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
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Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 0]

Yo
by Dragon D. Luffy
Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:49 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 1]

I love those write-ups. That's some creative way to justify a game where roles are songs.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:28 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 1]

I am playing but there is a lack of scumhuntable posts that I can talk about.

Someone overreact about something silly so another person can be shady about it and then I can vote for them.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:49 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 1]

Creature wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:29 pm [VOTE: Luffy] aubergine
That works, now I need the shady guy.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:35 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 1]

Epignosis wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:17 pm
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:34 pm Yeah, it's a good idea to make players not play the game
Phony indignation.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine
There it is.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Creature acted exactly the same way last game where he was civ.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:58 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 1]

I also have a hunch on LC

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Feels like hes more self-contained than usual or something.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:52 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 1]

MacDougall wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:09 am I voted for LC because DDL's post is the first post I read and I think it's important that we work together even if DDL is scum because I don't know if he is or isn't so taking a punt on that is good.
That's the most underwhelming reasoning anyone has ever given to sheeping on my vote.

In a poll that includes votes without reasoning.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:12 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [NIGHT 1]

Hey guys sorry for missing juicy part of the phase. Yesterday was a pretty full day for me.

Time to catch up.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:31 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 1]

TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:14 pm bimbo 0/5
Creature 1/5
Dom 4/5
Dragon D. Luffy 1/5
DrWilgy 1/5
Dyslexicon 5/5
Epignosis 4/5
Long Con 2/5
MacDougall 1/5
Quin 0/5
sig 3/5
Sloonei 3/5
Sorsha 0/5
timmer 2/5

So here’s a rating of players and roughly how much they’ve left an impression on me. I’d expect this to correlate to post count.

Sorted:

Dizzy - 69 (nice)
Epi - 21
Dom - 10
Sloonei - 41
Sig - 12
Timmer -18
LC - 18
Wilgy - 10
DDL - 7
Creature - 28
Mac - 3
Quin
Sorsha
Bimbo

The idea with this is I tend to get the idea that scum players get in less fights or leave less an impression. That’s not foolproof, but whenever I get a “meh” feeling about someone it’s usually because they’re posting but I don’t feel like I remember what they’re saying or they seem to have just a few set goals in mind.

Standouts: Creature is low but that’s semi-expected on meta. Dom is high, probably town look for him. Sig is probably high on recency bias. Everything else is mostly in line.

Result: slight town read on Dom, no other changes
I love this method maybe I'll use it.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:46 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 1]

Quin wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:08 pm
sig wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:04 pm
sig wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:03 pm Also I'm gonna channel my inner DDL and say its scummy that Sloonie didn't vote in thread, it may have been Jack who was mafia who said that though, I wasn't really paying attention last game, but we'll give DDL credit yes we will.
... what?
You aren't [VOTE: ] aubergine your votes. Which someone last game said was kinda scummy, which I agree with.

The rest of my post a babble of nonsense which can be ignored.
i hereby dub it the Aubergine Tell.
I was the one who said it but it also had a 0% correlation with scum alignment.

So that tell is garbage. Unless you wanna argue that not aubergining makes you civ.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:55 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 1]

timmer wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:46 pm Sloon, much of your post just mirrors what happens to me every time I play now, which is rarely. I post complete honesty about my thoughts and how my perma-damaged memory works, people find my working odd, I get lynched, I'm town. Rinse, repeat.

I've had multiple concussions in my life, one bad enough to hospitalize me. I had posted back in the start of my mafia career about it on the piano and made the Pont that I would never hide behind it as a baddie, and I never have.

My posts aren't contradictions at all, they are a reflection of my reality. I can remember some players' tone and posting style perfectly... others I can kind of remember but im unsure if I trust that memory... and others I can't remember damn thing, it's like they don't exist before this game even though ive played with them before.

But it's ok, I get it, and it's why I don't get ruffled as a civ much, I understand this very well because it happens over and over. I get ruffled as a baddie though, because when I'm bad I try to find a sort of persona and run with it and if things go haywire I get pissed off because it's a lot of work to keep focused on a persona.

Take that as you will.
If it helps I also have a hard time having detailed pictures of most people's metas and I think most meta talk is balooney and heavily influenced by games recently played. People aren't that good at remembering metas, that's what I mean. So don't feel too bad for it.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:14 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 1]

sig wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:07 pm The four of us that are here can decide to lynch absolutely anyone right now.

I don't have any strong preferences.
Sloonei wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:09 pm At the risk of falling into the same trap that everyone falls into every game... how about sig?

Sloonei wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:10 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

because we'll never actually know how to read him anyway.
Sloonei wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:11 pm I sat on the wilgy vote for a long time but I really don't feel up for it. That's not to say he's a town read, but I'd need to be convinced that he's worth voting for. He can be read eventually.

Creature's a player that people always suspect and it's hard to reach a conclusion on him.

Who can read this shit and think wow Sloonie must be a civ. He totally didn't just like through out five names of people who get mislynched alot in an attempt to divert away from LC and himself.


I don't even care what Creature flips at this point, probably civ though, this was just not smart game play. Worst case Sloonie is a civ who has bad judgement buuuuut he's probably mafia.
Sig you are amazing.

Never change.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:15 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [NIGHT 1]

I'm nearly caught up but I don't feel like giving mafia hints on who to kill so I'm only commenting on barely relevant stuff.

Will give my rainbows and/or salads day 2.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:20 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [NIGHT 1]

I could have participated on day 1 end but I was travelling without wifi for most of the day.

And then at night I spent hours programming a system for NF mafia that counts how many MVPs people have and awards medals to them based on that. When I finished it I was super tired to catch up.

So I suppose this game lost due to being the least nerdy activity available to me.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:29 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [NIGHT 1]

Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:18 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:15 pm I'm nearly caught up but I don't feel like giving mafia hints on who to kill so I'm only commenting on barely relevant stuff.

Will give my rainbows and/or salads day 2.
I believe the deadline for sending in actions is past, but thanks for the derp.

Do you have thoughts on the flip btw?
You people talked too much between the poll locking and the flip. I have no idea how to interpret alignment in that section because mafia gets to do whatever they want. You were literally speculating on Creature's alignment before the flip.

That means Sig is less awesome for bloating the thread.

Also how do you know what the action deadline was? I probably missed something obvious but asking is easier than reseraching.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:31 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [NIGHT 1]

And speculating on who was being saved if Creature was town. That's a craptacular waste of thread space.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:37 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [NIGHT 1]

Increasing the thread's postcount isn't intrinsically good.

Well whatever, this is not the most active game anyway.

3 pages left.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:44 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [NIGHT 1]

Okay reads from up to the lynch post

Dizzy and Quin are town as fuck.

Dizzy mostly for the creature thing, Quin for posts too. He's legit genuquin. Protect him.

Sloonei a little less since he was flopping around like Sloonei (while Dizzy and Quin pushed the idea if lynching Creature more strongly), but he still started the final push so I feel like he's town too. Also he does feel a bit more genuine than in the wire but that's hindsight speaking since he fooled me in that game. Sloonei will have to do more to earn my trust from now on. But he gets it for the time being.

Timmer is the member if the Day 1 Mutant Ninja Turtles who benefits the least for this Creature lynch imo. He kind of just went along after the fact. That said he leans a bit civ in post-based reading I guess. Could be wrong here.

Nobody else matters much here since they aren't turtles. Will talk about others later.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:45 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [NIGHT 1]

Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:43 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:37 pm Increasing the thread's postcount isn't intrinsically good.

Well whatever, this is not the most active game anyway.

3 pages left.
Players reacting authentically to things is good?

Maybe I don't fit in here...
Players bloating two pages speculating on something that is about to be host confirmed is just annoying.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:34 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

Damn I tried not to make it too obvious that Quin was extremely civ but I guess that was obvious to the mafia too.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:34 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

I like tony tbh
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:39 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

No seriously I wanted to write poems about how civ Quin was
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:43 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [NIGHT 1]

Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:17 am
Epignosis wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:55 am Somebody threw Creature under the bus.

Why?
Why do you think that? Odd.
I mean this is literally the Syndicate.

Last game I did a multi-post analysis which didn't help us win the game at all because it proved both remaining mafiosos had bussed both their 2 teammates, because every player living had voted for those 2 players at once.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:45 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

TSP is mad at the Day 1 Mutant Ninja Turtles treating each other as confirmed.

Could be 2 things.

Rage from a civilian who hates it when other civilians get cocky about a hot potato result (a sentiment I've felt myself before)

or

Rage from a mafioso who just got screwed and is scared at the prospect of 4 confirmed civs on Day 1.

Pick one.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:48 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

Quin wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:46 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:39 pm No seriously I wanted to write poems about how civ Quin was
you can still do that, if you want
I'm bad at poetry.

But yeah you mindmelded with me a bunch and shut down dumb posts and helped lynch mafia etc.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:49 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

timmer wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:47 pm RIP Quin, that's crap.

@DDL, I'm curious to hear more about how you feel like I don't benefit from yesterday's lynch much? If I'm theoretically bad, why didn't I just leave my vote on Long Con? Even if both Long Con and Creature and myself were all bad together, why would I move my vote when by leaving it on Long Con, at the last second there was a tie between Long Con and Creature, which would have meant... no lynch? I can see literally no justification for moving my vote with 5 seconds left if I were bad, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
You'd look terrible if you betrayed your fellow turtles at the last moment.

Really, really terrible.

I mean the other 3 would too but they were floating around the Creature idea multiple times before then. I don't recall you doing it.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:02 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [NIGHT 1]

Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:55 pm Oh, look. Scum hunting!

Sloonei, I have some comments/responses:
- I agree with you that Sig looks likely town from the EoD.
- I don't find Wilgy particularly suspicious, but more null maybe.
- I interpreted the line you're pointing out from Dom differently. But Dom will probably comment on that.
- It's hard to know whether scum knew Creature was the lynch or not until it was pointed out in thread. Depends on who it is and if they were around just at day end. I don't know when the poll disappeared. I also agree that silence or minimal commenting is probably where we will find scum.

What do you think of Tony coming in after the flip and starting to respond to posts and claiming he didn't know what was going on? In short, what do you think about my points against Tony?

All I get from Tony, Dom and Epi after the lynch is just salt or annoyance. Not saying they are all scum, but I'd be highly surprised if none of them where. I'm mostly suspicious of Tony for how he reacted to the lynch. He cleared the four of us begrudgingly, but he did not really change any of his reads otherwise after the flip or did any digging/evaluation for what the flip might mean. He just continues to read Dom and Epi town without question. It doesn't look like town reacting to a lynch and building a world from it. Maybe Dom and Epi are actually town and Tony is trying to win them over. That's just speculation though. The upset/salt towards me also confuses me.
See, this is why I hate CFDs/hot potatos.

It's not the fast vote changing at EoD. That is annoying but is also kind of fun and might work.

It's how if the hot potato hits scum, the people involved in it turn into absolute nascissists after the fact.

The first time I saw this happen, the game turned so insufferable I ended up getting in a fight with a bunch of people, almost ragequitting, and getting my first non-lylo mislynch in this site. Built some animosities that lasted months after that game.

I mean I get it, you guys scored town points. You don't need to talk about it every two posts. You don't need to assume people who disagree with you are automatically bad, either.

Which is why I won't vote for TSP. His frustration about having to deal with a new formed circle-jerk could be genuine, because I've felt it before.

Fuck hot potatos.

/rant
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:03 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

By the way, civilians lost that game.

The toxic environment created by the hot potato "winners" wasn't worth the trouble.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:09 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

timmer wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:08 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:03 pm By the way, civilians lost that game.

The toxic environment created by the hot potato "winners" wasn't worth the trouble.
Uhm, I'm just challenging you on your thoughts about the lynch, dude. Like... I'm not being toxic? Wtf is this?
Dys is being extremely unpleasant about the "everyone confirmed town" thing and Sloon is being kind of annoying too.

There is also a witch hunt going on against people who do not agree you 3 are confirmed scum.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:09 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

confirmed town*
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:10 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

Yes, I just came here to throw gasoline everywhere and set it on fire.

Again.... fuck hot potatos.

DDL out. Good night.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:19 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

I just remembered something.

Most of the discussion that happened after the hot potato in that game was about how Sig was obviously bad for opposing the hot potato (he was civ).

Which is probably why Sig had such a strong reaction to this game's hot potato. He is another poor soul whose TS experience was scarred by it.

I'm reading him town now.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:02 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

Sloonei wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:20 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:19 pm I just remembered something.

Most of the discussion that happened after the hot potato in that game was about how Sig was obviously bad for opposing the hot potato (he was civ).

Which is probably why Sig had such a strong reaction to this game's hot potato. He is another poor soul whose TS experience was scarred by it.

I'm reading him town now.
I feel like most of the response was pro-sig.
No, my point is that it makes sense for Sig to hate CFDs and get angry about them because he's one player whose Syndicate experience has been ruined by CFDs before.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:04 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [NIGHT 1]

Sloonei wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:11 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:02 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:55 pm Oh, look. Scum hunting!

Sloonei, I have some comments/responses:
- I agree with you that Sig looks likely town from the EoD.
- I don't find Wilgy particularly suspicious, but more null maybe.
- I interpreted the line you're pointing out from Dom differently. But Dom will probably comment on that.
- It's hard to know whether scum knew Creature was the lynch or not until it was pointed out in thread. Depends on who it is and if they were around just at day end. I don't know when the poll disappeared. I also agree that silence or minimal commenting is probably where we will find scum.

What do you think of Tony coming in after the flip and starting to respond to posts and claiming he didn't know what was going on? In short, what do you think about my points against Tony?

All I get from Tony, Dom and Epi after the lynch is just salt or annoyance. Not saying they are all scum, but I'd be highly surprised if none of them where. I'm mostly suspicious of Tony for how he reacted to the lynch. He cleared the four of us begrudgingly, but he did not really change any of his reads otherwise after the flip or did any digging/evaluation for what the flip might mean. He just continues to read Dom and Epi town without question. It doesn't look like town reacting to a lynch and building a world from it. Maybe Dom and Epi are actually town and Tony is trying to win them over. That's just speculation though. The upset/salt towards me also confuses me.
See, this is why I hate CFDs/hot potatos.

It's not the fast vote changing at EoD. That is annoying but is also kind of fun and might work.

It's how if the hot potato hits scum, the people involved in it turn into absolute nascissists after the fact.

The first time I saw this happen, the game turned so insufferable I ended up getting in a fight with a bunch of people, almost ragequitting, and getting my first non-lylo mislynch in this site. Built some animosities that lasted months after that game.

I mean I get it, you guys scored town points. You don't need to talk about it every two posts. You don't need to assume people who disagree with you are automatically bad, either.

Which is why I won't vote for TSP. His frustration about having to deal with a new formed circle-jerk could be genuine, because I've felt it before.

Fuck hot potatos.

/rant
I can only speak for myself, but the town credibility of those who were around at the end of yesterday was established before the lynch went through. The hot potato only happened because we all town read each other, imo. It wasn’t a case of each of us deciding that we were trustworthy because the lynch was successful. We worked together to lynch a player because we trusted each other. I think.
Ok this is certainly interesting. Albeit I don't see all three of you speaking from the same position.

It also makes it impossible for people outside of the tjing to get what you are talking about. Reading the discussion myself, it seemed very possible that one of you could have just been playing along with thw group on purpose.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:15 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

Dyslexicon wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:20 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:09 pmDys is being extremely unpleasant about the "everyone confirmed town" thing and Sloon is being kind of annoying too.

There is also a witch hunt going on against people who do not agree you 3 are confirmed scum.
Ok. I read your posts and I'm taking in your perspective. I also think you're likely town.

I think you're not really being very fair here though
.
For example, the reason I responded to Sloonei's post was because that was the post with the most content in and something to comment on. I would respond to any post like that no matter who it's by. It has nothing to do with Sloonei also voting Creature. But this is just normal game solving. This is how town win games. Town needs to identify each other and then work together to narrow the game down and lynch scum.

All I'm doing is pretty plain, regular scum hunting. My only objective is to try to find and lynch scum. I'm not going to scum hunt players I already town read (unless something happens etc). I'm going to spend my energy on those players I can't clear or where I have specific issues. Then I'm going to prod and question and make my mind up.

I was happy we lynched scum. I was happy it got me really good town reads in the process. I can only see that as a good thing. These are valid feelings on my part. I'm honestly very confused by why this is so upsetting. As town you win and lose as a team. There is no one or no few players that wins the game. Everyone who's town do, or nobody does. If town gets scum lynched and if town get a good way of working together, then that is only good news for town. The point is not who can get most town points or cred.

If you look at what I've done since the Creature lynch, it's going straight into trying to further narrow the game down, questioning where I have suspicions or too little info/content. It's not me that's been talking about "cred". It's not me that's been saying Fab 4 or whatever. We got lucky by the Creature lynch. Lucky, while working together to establish a PoE. It's effective.

Of course, if people distrust whoever lynched Creature, they will express that. For example Tony saying he suspects me. And I will respond. There's nothing out of the ordinary there.

While I can feel you on being frustrated, and I think that's valid, it always is, I will also say that it's not very inviting for me when I feel that what I do is regular (and ok, pretty eager) scum hunting, and what I get back is that "you're being unpleasant" and it feels like players are almost upset that we lynched scum. They are upset that I scum hunt. But that is what I need to do to help town win. I don't really understand it.

So if you're town, let's just concentrate on moving forward and how to get the next scum lynched.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:19 pm I just remembered something.

Most of the discussion that happened after the hot potato in that game was about how Sig was obviously bad for opposing the hot potato (he was civ).
This isn't even true. I know for me, I town leaned on Sig the whole game, especially after his reaction before the flip, telling us all off.

It's fine that you want to town read Tony.
But I also don't think your summary of his reaction is accurate.
I hoping you're at least reading my posts and considering, even if you think I'm being unpleasant. I don't know how better to make my point come across.

I appreciate the warning about a divide, as that is indeed a danger for town. But I'm also not going to change my town reads when I don't see no reason to. I really don't know what I can do better, so just please trust me when I say I'm doing my best.
I'm not asking you to change your reads.

I'm asking you to, for example, stop calling people "salty" for disagreeing with them. I saw a few instances of that in the last page I read and it left a bitter taste in my mouth. It makes me want to avoid interacting with you.

Anyway, I also called you names yesterday and I'm now feeling bad for it, so I'll apologize. I was also overreacting. But I have a very bad memory from a game where players got super unpleasant after a successful hot potato to the point the game turned unfun, and I wanted to prevent that from repeating.

I care about having fun and civil experiences in this forum more than I care about winning games.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:21 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
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Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

I agree LC has been underwhelming af but then Sloonei posted something about scum LC not being underwhelming that disarmed this idea more or less.

That said... last time this happened was in The Wire where I said Jack was underwhelming and people told me scum Jack never does that. In the end he was scum anyway.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:37 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
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Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

I might vote Mac or Sorsha if they don't show up. Seems likely that this is an inactive scum team, especially if you assume the four people on Creature are really civ.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:06 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
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Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

Dyslexicon wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:04 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:15 amI'm asking you to, for example, stop calling people "salty" for disagreeing with them. I saw a few instances of that in the last page I read and it left a bitter taste in my mouth. It makes me want to avoid interacting with you
Ok, I hear you. And I'm sorry.
It's fine. Sorry for being a bit dramatic too.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:45 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
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Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

There is no real way of reading LC, in general.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:46 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
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Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Come to the playground or we'll play without you.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:17 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
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Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:28 pm Okay let’s push past the people (myself included) being dramatic part and move on.

There was talk last night about LC likely being town from results. Someone explain that to me. Sloonei maybe?

I have slight town reads on a lot of people right now, which lends credence to DDL’s inactive scum theory. That said, I don’t think there’s any point to vote for Mac just to entice him to show up if we don’t intend to lynch him. It’s -EV to lynch any essentially inactive player, especially Mac who might show up and solve the game. In Fallout he had 2 posts and then day 1 he came in and called out both scum.
I'm not voting Mac to make him show up.

I'm voting Mac because I think lynching him right now is a good move, considering we just got 1 baddie and there is a good chance there are inactives among the remaining ones. I feel like a semi-active baddie would have given more of a damn at EoD1.

And I haven't played with Sorsha in ages so I'm picking Mac over her.

If Mac decides to become active, this assessment may change, but right now I'm voting him to lynch him.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:55 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
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Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 1]

Sloonei wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:44 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:28 pm I am playing but there is a lack of scumhuntable posts that I can talk about.

Someone overreact about something silly so another person can be shady about it and then I can vote for them.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:17 pm
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:34 pm Yeah, it's a good idea to make players not play the game
Phony indignation.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine
There it is.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Creature acted exactly the same way last game where he was civ.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:58 am I also have a hunch on LC

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Feels like hes more self-contained than usual or something.
I can look at these posts and see them as DDL making jokes and going through the motions to appear engaged with the thread on Day 1. The first is a call for somebody else to do a Mafia Thing so that the game can begin. The second is a response to Epi doing a Mafia Thing, but then he does not follow up in any meaningful way on that. He drops a vote on LC several hours later instead. DDL's interest in getting the scumhunting started was phony.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine
The Epi thing was me half-assing a suspicion to see if I could make something to happen. It's partly joke partly serious. I did think Epi's vote on Creature was dumb but also was aware Epi is stubborn enough to do things like that. But I had nothing better to do so I voted anyway.

The LC thing was just a hunch and it's one that I still have. I didn't explain it beyond that because that's what the word hunch means.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:05 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
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Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

Sloonei wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:49 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:17 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:28 pm Okay let’s push past the people (myself included) being dramatic part and move on.

There was talk last night about LC likely being town from results. Someone explain that to me. Sloonei maybe?

I have slight town reads on a lot of people right now, which lends credence to DDL’s inactive scum theory. That said, I don’t think there’s any point to vote for Mac just to entice him to show up if we don’t intend to lynch him. It’s -EV to lynch any essentially inactive player, especially Mac who might show up and solve the game. In Fallout he had 2 posts and then day 1 he came in and called out both scum.
I'm not voting Mac to make him show up.

I'm voting Mac because I think lynching him right now is a good move, considering we just got 1 baddie and there is a good chance there are inactives among the remaining ones. I feel like a semi-active baddie would have given more of a damn at EoD1.

And I haven't played with Sorsha in ages so I'm picking Mac over her.

If Mac decides to become active, this assessment may change, but right now I'm voting him to lynch him.
What makes you believe we have inactive bad guys?
Assuming you and your two buddies are civilian...

And if we remove the real inactive people (mac, sorsha, bimbo), we are left with a bunch of semi-active people. People like me, who came online a couple times and half-assed playing the game.

I did check the thread a few times right before EoD. I didn't care to catch up or change my vote. But I think that if I was bad, I would have at least cared to look at the poll and maybe start a wagon or two. Not let four civilians monopolize the discussion, and change wagons randomly while mentioning Creature as a possibility. When I'm bad but don't feel like playing, I at least check the thread to see if my faction is losing and my teammates are not being talked about.

A bunch of people also came online for short moments at the end if day 1 and didn't do much. So either the baddies who came online thought the situation was great and they didn't have to act, or they baddies are inactive and didn't come online.

If the situation was great the only thing I get is that LC is a civ since he had a couple votes. Still, the poll was pretty dangerous for baddies near EoD. I think if I were a baddie I'd have made more of an effort to influence that poll at EoD.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:07 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

Never mind that lynching inactives is never entirely bad and the fact we are winning the game means we have some spare days to test things like that.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:10 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

Yeah I agree LC sounds manipulative in that post.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:03 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 1]

Michelle wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:01 am
Quin wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:21 pm
DrWilgy wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:10 am Sloonei, you wanna throw down or be bffs this game? I'm good for either as long as you rub my inner thigh with a fish corpse.
b u d d y i n g
shading?
Quin wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:22 pm
Creature wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:34 pm Yeah, it's a good idea to make players not play the game
when are you going to start playing the game?
this belongs to the scum chat isn't it?

Fos for Quinn based on these 2 posts
Oh girl I have news for you...
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:05 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

He's dead, Jim.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:03 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

Dom wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:18 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:09 pm
Dom wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:07 pm dizzy screams baddie if you ignore end of day 1 :p
I'm so confused by this. Like, in a meta game way. Is scum hunting not normal here? I know I've seen it before. I'm so obvious town that it's laughable. I feel I'm in a video game and suddenly the controller turns into one of those go right when press left kind of thing.
I don't feel that way about you at all.
I see you as a manipulative person in this game.
Dyslexicon wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:12 pm
Dom wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:05 pmI struggle to see a civ LC writing this lol
That's interesting actually. Can you articulate why you think that?
What's the goal of that post?
I'm not sure about manipulative but I've been getting a lot of "appeal to emotion vibes from dizzy. Like when you accuse him and he goes "do people not scumhunt in this site?" or when he questions if he belongs here

Though that could be NAI. I don't have enough games with Dizzy to be sure.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:05 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

I could vote LC.

I don't feel strongly about voting any other active players, though.
by Dragon D. Luffy
Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:07 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Polka Heist [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2086
Views: 32623

Re: The Polka Heist [DAY 2]

I'm somewhat less motivated about this game than the previous one because I put such a ridiculous amount of effort and it didn't pay off.

Bit I'm trying not to flake completely.

So I'm mostly putting my feelings into words and trying to get a feel of people but not bothering to quote and stuff

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