The Syndicate

We can PM each other about the game? Lol. And cool. But also, I don't want to be left out.

I like the protection option in the poll.

I had forgotten the D0 thing.

Also also, nice to see players here again.^^

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:21 pm This is a Last Man Standing game, right? So why give someone protection?

And that question didn't even need to be asked. The only relevant question is: what the hell good is a Public Protection? It will not stop a kill.

I will probably vote to restrict someone's BTSC. I think being competitive is a healthier attitude in an LMS game.

Uh, what do you mean Last Man Standing game?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:24 pm Like, there's not Town and Mafia going on, it's every person for themselves, lynch until there's one winner?

Lol, I'm town. That's nice that you think that though. Guess we're not on the same team then.

So should we restrict your BTSC?

So obviously Long Con is not town. Not bad for a first pager. Anyone else want to claim non-town?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:34 pm Shots fired already

Secrets. Seeeeecrets. Actually I prefer to have most of the talk here. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:03 pm Heckin' nobody wants to talk to me I see how it is.

Tell me about yourself and your life. *leans closer*

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:15 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:10 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:03 pm Heckin' nobody wants to talk to me I see how it is.
Tell me about yourself and your life. *leans closer*
I like long walks on the beach and complaining about INH games.

Sounds reasonable.

That is actually of interest to me. I haven't played any INH-games, but I would not be surprised if they were a bit crazy given the theme. How has other games from him been? What can we expect? o.o

I'll just wait for my soul to be crushed then. o.o

I actually think I believe LC in that he didn't see his role in his PM first. He described it, and it checks out. Cautiously optimistic.

Thanks, SVS, I guess I'll just have to wait and see and have fun with whatever happens. \o/

K, so I guess phase changes are about midnight my time.

Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:52 pm Who wants to tell me where I should place my vote?

Oo, me me me!

Let's wagon Llama!

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:10 pm Dyslexicon, what're your thoughts on LC?

Mentioned something about this already, but I think it's very possible that LC was just mistaken and didn't see his role at first, and therefore assumed he was an LMS role. It doesn't seem likely that he's scum in that position at least. And he detailed his role PM in a way that matched with mine, even though I don't think it's all that hard to see what role you are in the format. But I also forget to put on my shoes when going out sometimes. All in all I find a better case for that being actual town that is mistaken. However, the game has barely begun and I will wait and see if LC blinds me with his towniness and sparkles for the duration of the game. Meow.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:22 pmHow interestingly noncommittal.

Lol k. And, what do you get out of that?

And it belongs to the story that LC PMedd me asking to make a deal about not voting each other for the first five lynches or something like that, so it really looked like believed he was LMS. I wouldn't be surprised if he PMed other players asking the same. :3

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:34 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:31 pm And it belongs to the story that LC PMedd me asking to make a deal about not voting each other for the first five lynches or something like that, so it really looked like believed he was LMS. I wouldn't be surprised if he PMed other players asking the same. :3
Oh, word?

Pretty sure he assumed everyone to me LMS and so he wanted to make deals and play the game that way. But lol, it isn't an LMS game.

What are your thoughts on LMS-gate?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:39 pm LMS-Gate doesn't concern me. Perhaps the only thing I am concerned with is that LC didn't offer me the protections he offered you.

Because he likes me better obvs.

Or maybe because he thinks I'm stupid enough to be played by him.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:52 pm Is someone being a ho?

I'm not a ho, I'm a slut.
Don't know about LC though.

Nobody wants to wagon Llama with me. =(

I refuse to be subject to jealousy just because I'm the prettiest one and everybody wants me!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:15 pmDizzy, did he make you this offer before or after the thread kerfuffle? How was this offer broached? I am mainly asking because I do not see LC making offers like this to someone who is possibly suspecting him.

After I said I was town, pretty sure. I think maybe he thought that was my game plan and we still were all LMS. If I already was giving him the cold shoulder in thread wouldn't it make sense to try and ally me to get rid of that though? It's not about "suspecting" if he legitly thinks everyone is by themselves - there would be nothing to suspect.

The offer was very simple, something like - want to make an alliance with me and not vote for each other until Day 5?
Something along those lines. I can quote it if I'm allowed and if it's of interest.

LC, Why did you contact me specifically?
Did you contact anyone else?

I lurv you, btw. Let's be friends and never vote each other before Day 5. \o/

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:38 pm I PMed Dizzy because we were online at the same time.

I didn't PM DH because I didn't plan to make a deal with him, because I was a fool to think we had an understanding in Survivor, and died the death of a buffoon because of it.

I did PM a couple of other folks, with basically the same offer. But those offers are not really valid anymore, because it's not a LMS game. I do like Dizzy's friendly attitude about it though. I guess I'll refrain from voting Dizzy for the first five days. (Although my offer was more like "until we're in the Final Five"... a concept that isn't the same in a regular Mafia game).

Oh, final five was what it was.

And lol, you should vote me if you think I'm scum, what even? Obviously, I'm not, cause I'm such an angel.

@G-Man - Yes, my vote can be changed. I just assumed it could, cause I've never played a game where I couldn't. If not my love for Llama would've just had to last for the day. :3

I did a Battle Royale game once that was an LMS game. It ended up with everyone dying and was archived as a "Moderator Win". Meheheheh.

Aaaaanyway - Who's the bad guys? Do you like inhaling stuff through an oxygene mask?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:57 pm I am interested in the LC didn't see that there were alignments + Dyslexicon defending him + LC reinforcing his commitment not to vote for Dyslexicon.

That's a mighty powerful connection, all things considered.

I don't know about the not voting thing, not my decision.

@LC - Could you elaborate on what you mean with that. Are you town reading me or just saying I'm a nice person?

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:59 pm My catch-up took all of about 3 minutes, but when I read my role PM it made it pretty clear that I'm a good guy, thus I too am skeptical of LC not knowing there were civs and others in the game. Barring developments, that is a pretty sizeable Day 1 ping.

He said it was in a different line, which it was in mine too. So what do you think really happened with LC and what was the intention of his play?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:04 pmI'm inclined to vote Dyslexicon for this. It writes off the connection altogether while distancing at the same time.

Nasty.

I'm voting Dyslexicon.

Ok? That whole post is basically jokes.
So what did you gain from this? Am I scum? Are me and LC scum together? What's this connection about in your mind?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:14 pmYou summed it up for me.

That we are scum together? So this whole LMS-Gate is an elaborate and evil plot for LC to draw attention to himself on purpose while we have this whole convo on PM while we're really actually scum together? Can you use more words to describe your theory and exactly how this works for you, please?

@INH - Can I quote from PMs?

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:26 pm *cough*

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:49 pm RULES

13. No copy and pasting or screenshotting my PMs to you. Do not use any part of my role PMs as supposed verification for your roleclaims. People have to take you at your word when you claim your role, no using me as a shield.

Oh lol, thanks. Will keep that in mind and not post what I almost did.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:20 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:12 pm
He said it was in a different line, which it was in mine too. So what do you think really happened with LC and what was the intention of his play?

All he said was this: Really? Mine was two words, after a series of short, staccato sentences describing my character briefly, under a picture bigger than the text line.

I think Lc goofed, I think he is not town. This is like color-by-numbers shit, man, you really need this expanded?

@LC, mine sounds different than yours, but my alignment was pretty clearly stated.

Alright, given the rules I'd say just leave out the specifics of role PMs altogether.

I have some questions for you:
1. If LC is not town by your accont, why are you not voting him?
2. If LC is not town, what alignment would he then be?
3. Why are you voting me?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:29 pmLong Con had his own team kill him once.

I don't need to describe a theory that "works for me."

You need to describe it if you want to work together with people. If you don't want that that's your choice. But you leave a lot to be desired for me to understand where you are coming from.

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I will ask everyone: What do you all think about what you gather Epi's theory is?

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:32 pm I'll tell you what. You and LC can PM me and tell me your roles and I'll consider not voting for you

Lol no.
LC asked for my role as well, and I didn't give it to him.

Also, can you answer question 2?

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:35 pm If there is a town, then there is an anti-town. Whatever INH called it is irrelevant and unknown to me.

Ok. So you believe LC was lying and that he really did know his role and that it's anti-town? Is that correct?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:38 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:33 pm I will ask everyone: What do you all think about what you gather Epi's theory is?

Aw, you would be a dog person. <3

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:41 pm I believe LC thought the game was LMS, skimmed his role, it wasn't written in a town way, and ran with the LMS plan until he was corrected. It's good enough for a Day 1 this early on.

I'm not sure I understand you correctly here - So do you think LC was under the impression of being an LMS role or just a straight up anti-town role? Or that he didn't know for sure but he knew he wasn't town?

Re: Blue Velvet Mafia {DAY 1} DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:43 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:43 pm

@Epi - I'm not concerned about getting voted, I'm concerned about what processes are behind that. So thanks for sharing that. Obviously I don't know what goes on behind the scenes and who PMs who, that is all new to me in a game. So you're saying LC PMed you with a LMS-type deal after he offered one to me? Cause to me he said that he now can see that he is town and that he missed it first time around. So he denied the LMS thing altogether to me.

What I'm wondering is what this all really has to do with me? I didn't choose to get a PM from LC, I responded how I saw fit. He first wanted to make a deal. Then later sent a PM that was like - oops, didn't read my role properly, I now see I'm town. I shared everything I learned in thread. Why does your opinion on LC depend on my alignment?

What I'm questioning is what intentions LC would have if he knew he was not town to go out in the thread and say it was an LMS game and then go back on his word? What would he gain from that if he was scum? That makes no sense to me. This is why I'm questioning Timmer's thought process on this.

What I'm not getting a sense of is what LC's offers and PMs has to do with me, other than that I got PMs and shared them in thread?

/I agree LMS games aren't mafia games. I have a town role and I assume there are mafia or the likes to find.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:54 pm @Dys, I think you understand me fine

No, I don't. That's why I'm asking.

Here's the thing based on what you've said:
- I take it that you assumed LC to know that he was anti-town.
- With this information LC chose to go into the thread claiming this was an LMS game.

My reaction to this is, why the hell would LC go into the thread claiming such a thing that would obviously draw attention if he didn't believe it to be the case?

I think there's very little chance that LC was lying about not knowing his role. I think he assumed this to actually be an LMS game, what would be the benefit of claiming it otherwise? Unless it was some sort of weird instigator/reaction fishing (which honestly I could see myself doing because lol).

This, however, does not say much about what role LC actually is after checking it. It just says to me that he thought it was LMS and was mistaken.

What I'm getting from you is that I have a very hard time understanding your thought process here. You seem to think LC basically willingly gave himself away as anti-town at the start of the game. This somehow makes you vote for me, and you claim this to be for reactions. You also seem evasive in my questioning.

If you are town, where am I mistaken in my reasoning?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:08 pm My thing here, LC, is that you make these deals, but you can't honor them. Already Dys has two votes and you have one, but you won't vote to save yourself, I imagine (although I think you would).

My point is this: You two advertised early that you have a deal between you. If this is an LMS game, then I have a motive to break up that public deal.

If this is an actual Mafia game, then I have a motive to break up that deal (given my previously stated suspicions).

I have not advertised that I have a deal with LC - gurl plz.

I don't have any "deal" with LC - his offer was moot to me since this is not an LMS game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:10 pmI love defending civilians when I'm bad. It grants so much mileage.

Should I descipher this as you thinking I'm scum and LC is town? Or is it something else?

I can't vouch for LC, but I see no reason why he would go into the thread assuming this to be an LMS game if he knew he was anti-town - do you?

Wtf with these deals?

@LC - Now would be a good time to clear up that thing about you not voting me for however long. Why? You claimed town to me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:22 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:30 pm [snip]

I lurv you, btw. Let's be friends and never vote each other before Day 5. \o/

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:38 pm[snip]

I did PM a couple of other folks, with basically the same offer. But those offers are not really valid anymore, because it's not a LMS game. I do like Dizzy's friendly attitude about it though. I guess I'll refrain from voting Dizzy for the first five days. (Although my offer was more like "until we're in the Final Five"... a concept that isn't the same in a regular Mafia game).
Well, Dizzy, here's the exchange. It's not a "thing about me not voting you", so much as you saying "Let's be friends and never vote each other before Day 5. \o/" and me saying "Sure, why not". What part of our earlier exchange is giving you trouble? Why am I the one "clearing it up"? You were there. You clear it up for me.

Oh, loooool. Fuck, that was clearly a joke based on our PMs. Or, "clearly", I thought. I forgot about that entirely. To be clear: I make jokes! This was not a serious offer.

@Epi - I see where you got the deal thing from now - I apologize. I thought it was clear that it was a joke, and I didn't remember saying it.

@LC - Why run with that offer? The paranoia is not with you, man.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:29 pm When I have the time to read this shit I'm sure it'll be fuckin' dope.

I'm entertaining for all the wrong reasons.

So in case this is still unclear - Deal-gate:

- I was offered a deal by LC when he said he thought it was an LMS game.
- I declined and said it's not an LMS game because I'm towm.
- LC says he didn't read his role properly and then claims town and role, and asks me what role I am, which I don't answer.
- I make a joke in thread saying I lurv LC and let's totally not vote each other.
- LC takes this seriously and says he won't then.
- I forget about it because I thought it was so clearly a joke, but it seems LC and Epi took it seriously.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:32 pm @Dys:

I think LC has played mafia long enough that the word civilian in a role description is not something that he would have missed. So I surmise that it is possible that his role does not have the word civilian in it. Also very possible is that LC actually IS an LMS role. Whatever he is, he may legit be what he thought the game was. His role could say "must be last one left" or something, and thus he thought that was everyone's boat because that is what he thought the game was.

Either way, NO, I do not think LC knew he was anti-town and chose to play like this. I think he just missed that he is not civilian and/or is an LMS role and goofed in thinking that that was the norm.

As for why my vote is on you? Because it seems to bug you.

That makes more sense than what I have gathered earlier, the fact that he would miss the civ out of it all.

Still. If he is an LMS role the action he took does not make sense to me. The natural response to being an LMS role is not to assume that everyone is. This leads me to conclude that whatever LC's role is he just didn't know before he posted and assumed he had no role so all was up in the air. The point that his eyes should've recognized the civ is the fairest so far.

What's bugging me is trying to figure out people's mindset. I've played enough mafia games in my life to have be voted before. Some people here would know lol.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:38 pm This is mafia, homie. Everything is serious (and also not).

Well, it was a joke from my side ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If you're saying everything in thread can and should be considered into figuring out alignment, then I agree.

I've actually played a game where everyone was VTs on D1. I kind of don't want to think about it... but. o.o

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:51 am Hm. I believe LC and Dys are telling truths.

Hai, Nut! \o/
Any other thoughts? Any alignment leans?

thellama73 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:33 am ALl in favor of voting to lynch the most annoying player?

I'm so dead. o.o
Also - Llama! \o/

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:05 am
I am confused by this.

If you think he actually IS an LMS role, then he would not have baddie teammates. So why are you voting for Dizzy?

At this point, mostly for the lulz. If nothing else happens I'll more likely vote for LC.

Do you have thoughts on anyone else?

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