The Syndicate

I'm in this game. Watch me slank.

None of my favourite flavours are on the list. Rip coconut, mango and raspberry.

Oh wait, raspberry is on the list. Except it's this weird cheescakey thing? Still not satisfied.

I've actually had rocked salat ice cream once. It was surprisingly not disgusting.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:04 amThe amount of vanilla lovers is concerning. Scum hides there mark my words.

Glad to play with everyone btw <3

Sould reading in page 1Tedex villager. Liked Nut - not a surprise ^^
Still reading to catch up. Work may stop this process

I'm glad you're town, Michelle.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:14 pmYeah I have to say I mindmeld there too. Sig claiming "people" are forming a town core is hella sketch. Like he knows who's town (k technically it's multiball but still) and is scurred of any perceived town coalescing.

We must kill Sloonei first chance we get.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:35 pm Yeah heaven forbid we have a town core, what would we do then

I'm the town core. And Michelle probably. But never Sloonei.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:32 pmMinus is good right? Like your subtracting how scummy you think I am.

Perma-scum sig is perma-scum.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:21 pm

Yes, you.

So much text. I can't wait until most of us die. But also I love you all. And also also hi to the, I think, three players I haven't played with before. Apart from that I have at least some idea or a lot of ideas about the others.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:28 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:27 pm So much text. I can't wait until most of us die. But also I love you all. And also also hi to the, I think, three players I haven't played with before. Apart from that I have at least some idea or a lot of ideas about the others.

Hi.

Wait. Let's make that four. I'm sure I've seen your name around here and probably at MU (?)

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:28 pm I'm half-heartedly reading through. Do you guys ever stop talking about hidden significances behind your choice of ice cream flavour? Do I need to care about this conversation?

What do you think?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:29 pm I cannot tell if Dizzy is giving an actual read on me or just goofing around.

You would know if the voting poll was open.

I glanced at the thread and I have half an idea about Tony being town. I like first impressions, cause they are usually kind of good.

Jimmaaaaaay, are you town? Can you at least pretend if you aren't? I love you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:48 pmI'm a town boy, Dizzy. I was just staring at your posts here and back in Currents when we were both bad to the bone. I found nothing worth saying. You posted lots of gifs. Hello!

A fond memory for sure. =p I think I made a whole read list with cat gifs? I'm seeeelly.
I haven't really gotten into this game. Just glanced over here and there. I'll probably have to spend time playing catch up in chunks as I wasn't really prepared for this right now. But I promise you my reads are sometimes good. Ask Tony. =p
I'm going to assume you are town because that makes me feel good.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:49 pm Really though DizzBizz, do you suspect Sloonei?

Yes, but I can't stay up to place my vote there when day starts. Rip.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:56 pmI hosted All My Circuits

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:56 pmWood Love 2 kNow More

You will. He's the devil child. The voice in my head said so.

Boop.

Catching up page 1-5

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:25 amThe thought came into my brain, so:

I looked at The Wire (town) and you were less complete sentency and Arrowverse (mafia) and you were more complete sentency.

Too early of a reveal.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:41 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:40 am Tone and swag

That applies to whoever has it and who doesn’t is a scum lean ofc

Actually I thought TSP was being serious so maybe not a town lean anymore because it’s obv not serious so now i dislike the slot a bit

Whats this garbage now

Kind of same tbh. I don't really understand the from feeling good to not movement because of a joke. I don't know if I need to understand it, or how much this was a thing.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:10 amSometimes looking at something from the corner of your eye allows you to see more. /deep thoughts

Relatable content.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:20 am shit, nutella is host-confirmed Very Funny

This was like exactly when I just thought "Omg, Nutella is really funny. Why do I ever sign up for games without Nutella?" *hard buddies Nutella*

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:46 pmalso disliked dys' entrance, especially the town read on Michelle

This is the real me, mom!

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:03 pm I read some of cats and dogs and this ain't the town jjj, chief

I'm triggered.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:24 pm

That's just what someone who's third party would say.

What's your fixation on 3p? It's the second time you've mentioned it (jokingly) now. Tsk tsk.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:32 pmMinus is good right? Like your subtracting how scummy you think I am.

Kind of don't like this post. I know the perspective of "it's good to be read town" can also be a town thing (and I agree, town should want to be read town), but I think scum is generally more focused on it.

Apparently the poll on Day 0 could've had a purpose. Probably not game changing anyway. Cindy Kate is seeelly. So that made me overthink those few people who picked vanilla and rationalized it in thread. I think Speed and G-Man. I have no reference for what such a poll could mean. I thought people were picking vanilla because it's the only flavor who's also a role in the game. And no matter what role you are, indicating that you are vanilla is usually good, so I thought it was just jokingly pointing to that. I don't know how much this needs to be a thing.

Catch ups page something
Trying to break my posts up, cause they get ignored if they are too long lol

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:28 pmMakes you nervous. So throwing out to many strong town reads which leads to a town core makes me nervous.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:35 pm Yeah heaven forbid we have a town core, what would we do then

So this whole thing.. I don't agree with Sig that trying to form town cores or just players you trust more or whatever is a bad thing. For me it's the best way I know how to play the game. But also, I'm unsure Sig would say that so upfront if scum? It's like "Don't make town reads, guys!" when he also is making town reads. That kind of contradiction strikes me more town stress than scum. If I was to guess.

So this game is multiball, which means a lot of how the game is going to shake out is going to be really hard to control. The ghost mechanic that S-V-S pointed out can really help town here to get an actual core we can trust if we use it right. Scum can even use it to reveal info the have about the other scum team to take the heat off of their own team. In multiball, the death of a scum team is usually them ignoring the other scum team, cause they're so used to thinking town is their enemy, when in actuality the other scum team is just as much of an enemy with even greater disruptive powers.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:32 pmWhy is michelle towncore?

I had just skimmed lightly parts of the game up to this point. I liked Michelle's entrance of shading the vanilla choosers (even if the argument itself is meh). I think scum!Michelle is more careful. It's light as hell and mostly gut. Michelle and Tony are two players I've been decent at reading in the past, and they both gave more town vibes than not when looking at their posts.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:49 pm Sloonei and dizzy both have high mafia equity, but low teammate equity, thus killing one will tell us more about the other as they’re in a non-mechanical 1v1 dipole.

That’s my quota of Serious Mafia Terms for the day, you’re welcome.

I read this when skimming too. Curious as to why you think so.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:20 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:09 am Cindy Kate is seeelly.

I love you.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:12 pm

I've literally not gotten scum here in forever RGS (or whatever its called) hates me. Now on MU I never roll civ which is amazing, but like haven't played there since forever ago. People complain and get wins overturned all the time which annoys me.

Weren't you literally scum in the last game I played though? Which also might've been forever ago, who knows. Anyway, you might be town actually. But I still don't know why you're so occupied with 3p. Also, who cares. You're giving a lot of content and it's useful anyhow. =p

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:53 pm Yeah who could possibly use the word baddie

And this thing. Honestly, I think "baddie" is a real unique word, and I've never seen it used outside of Cindy Kate. I've never adopted it myself (because it's seeeelly). So I don't think the question from S-V-S or hangup from Sig is weird at all. Do I think it's alignment indicative for Radish? Nope. People adopt or do not adopt words for all kinds of reasons. The brain is too complicated and there's too many steps of assumptions to get anything from it. But I do flinch every time someone who doesn't know me calls me "Dizzy" for example. (Though I encourage everyone to call me Dizzy, please.)

I think Sig's follow up on S-V-S looks more town concern than not. Also the way he tagged certain players to get opinions.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:23 pm I didn't think it was a slip. I found it intriguing that someone not from my home forum said "baddie", and since people were asking him about his background, I chimed in. I wasn't trying to imply he made a slip.

Then I don't understand why you asked at all?

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:49 am I stnad by my having a town core to early is bad, not saying we shouldn't town read ppl but a core is differnent then reads.

Also it's silly to throw out that many reads D0 anyway.

Sure, valid, whatever =p
I think players just play differently. I for one love throwing out reads early on. Both real and not. How strong they are is relative to time and other reads. /shrug

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:26 pm Independent of all this: how do we all feel about master radishes?

Not great. I get the feeling that his presence is a bit flashy/comes across as performative. It's something I've seen with experienced players that they want to be a bit edgy/go against the grain give the impression that they are confident and have nothing to hide when they are scum. Compensating. Like when they asked "are we all seriously reading into ice cream flavors" (<-- from memory, might not be exact) or something like that. I don't know if I explain this right, but "performative" is what comes to mind and it feels not great.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:53 amI was fine with SVS asking it after they clarified it was NAI curiosity rather than pushing it as a slip, but pushing it as a slip is bad. It’s a fairly generic term and it’s literally in the OP.

I mean, that's fine. I agree it's NAI or at least too uncertain. But what does it say about Sig and S-V-S and whoever else was involved? That is much more interesting and relevant. Just arguing "that is stupid" isn't really getting us anywhere imo.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:03 pm You don’t have a case

Like your read is literally “I’m SRing MR for bad reasons, like 4 people said they were bad but nanook was the most derisive about it, so he must be scum.”

You SR me every game and think it gives you a good read, but you have zero idea what my town game looks like.

So are you scum that is mad Sig reads you as scum for what you think is bad reasons? Cause it kind of look like that.

I'm only half caught up. Rip all my real life duties.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:29 pm Also jay the fact that I’m playing at all during D0 despite having stated I wouldn’t be (we see how long that lasted!), should be a fairly good indicator I’m town. I don’t feel the need to get sucked in quite as much as scum.

Hmmmmmaybe.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:00 amYou caught me too? Oh man I really suck at this

Do you have a town game of yours here that you could link to? (Or elsewhere, preferably the last one)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:30 pm *read list*

What make you compelled to town read me at this point exactly? Just curious as I'm just now starting to play for real.
Also can you tell me more about Ted? I've seen people read him town, so why?

I'm a bit vary of Ted and Nanook for narcissistic reasons. Almost every game here at least one scum likes to slap scum reads on me. I think I just give off "easy target" vibes for people that don't know me. It's happened a lot, and these two both mentioned a scum read on me and also have never played with me. For whatever that's worth.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:32 pm NANOOK in Inception, civilian

Bless.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:51 pm I’m probably wasting my time talking to sig now tho, it’s clear he doesn’t super care about whether he’s right or not. Either people will be smart and see that this is stupid, or I’ll have wasted yet another game attempting to play and being killed for it. Either way I’m gonna have more fun not taking this seriously, so I would mostly expect sarcasm and memes

But if you're town, developing your own reads and engaging honestly with people in order to figure out their alignment would be more productive, I think. For example, I've asked you why you thought I had scum equity. Is that something you feel moved to follow up? Other reads?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:56 pm Specifically, Nutella is showing waffles, wim and opportunism.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

I've noticed Nut following quite a bit. Like "Yes, and..."
Might have seen her do this as scum. Might as town as well. Might not want to vote her anyway because of the comedy gold.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:01 am I hate multiball btw it’s such a pain trying to figure out if someone is town or scum that’s scum hunting.

Ok, I feel this.

Actually, hot take. Nanook might be town for one specific reason: He said "I really suck at this." He doesn't seem like the type to say he actually sucks if he was indeed scum. Seems more like town righteousness. ("You suck, I don't.") Haven't looked at his old town game yet though.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:18 am Noticing a TR for me from Dizzy, and I prefere to take it as such because in a multiball with 3rd parts it's harder to think me for town core as being pockety.

I reserve the right to withdraw the town read at any time. =p Literally just the first thing that I felt laying my eyes on the game.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:05 am Dizzy is underperforming what I've come to expect from his town game so that's a ping.
@Dyslexicon general thoughts?

I'm caught up now, so there are some thoughts along the way. Also going to attempt thinking through all players to get my thoughts sort out more. I'm not working today, but will be pretty busy in the foreseeable future. My activity will be whatever I can give the game, as always.

Some thoughts:


Nanook - I think I just decided he can be town because I don't think he would do honest self deprecation like "I must suck". I find these tells are consistent enough for me to go with it. I like it when he posts reads and less when he spends all the energy arguing about how others read him. I feel the "reading on D1 in multiball is hard", but we must be like Sisyphus in this.

Sig - Probably town. I like the pushing and the prodding and the activity and everything.

Michelle - Honestly not strong opinions. Could be town.

I wish Tony posted more. I felt town in my heart, but I miss him.

Jimmaaay and [b]Sloonei [/b]- Honestly no read. But I like the activity so yay.

Nut - Kind of interested in the perspective that Nut is scum. I don't really know how to read her myself. I don't feel I have enough knowledge to have an opinion on Nut vs Jack. Jack is just null.

Sabie - A low content "I will catch up later" sabie is not a good thing in my experience. Booooo.

G-Man - Hardly anything. Over rationalizing vanilla flavor is ..lol? Booooo.

Juliets - Underwhelming. Booooo.

Ted - Honestly don't hate their posts. Don't know anything about them though.

S-V-S - Not sure. All posts are like ok, but I don't particularly understand why she felt moved to ask Radish why he used the word "baddie" if she didn't think it would be AI at all. Seems like she backed out. The whole thing became a argument between Sig and Nanook, which I think are both town. And both S-V-S and Radish are not in it or trying to solve it at all, which I don't like.

Radish - [VOTE: Radish] aubergine This is the player I get the worst impression of.

Anyone I haven't mentioned should be less forgettable =p

Also, looked at the setup. 10 non-town in a 24 player game is rough. So I'm just here for the love, the hugs and the blood.

The people that didn't pop into my mind are Turnip, Tranq, Epi, Dom, Drag, Colin, Mac, Speed and Sprit.

Out of these - I think Turnip is way cute and the few takes they have, I don't mind. I don't think I would be able to catch it if they were scum though. Epi I don't feel bad about from what I've seen. But it's not strong.

And if my town read on Sig and Nanook is right, it's just about 50 % chance to hit scum with an RNG vote. Lol. Identifying town could really help. I'm town core. Who disagrees?

I feel I need something more in the argument between Nut and Jack. Right now it just looks like a lot of hot air on both sides. What is the substance of this argument, anyone, especially Nut and Jack?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:48 pmNo, I don’t. Because it wasn’t a real read. It was a joke.

I have put other real reads out, you can find them in my iso.

Do you mean actual joke or just not serious read? Cause you just flat out said me and Sloonei has good scum equity. I don't see the punchline. It's fine that it was early, and it's fine if it's not relevant to you anymore. I just don't understand what the "joke" is.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:49 pm That was sarcasm my friend.

Well duh. That wasn't my point.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:06 pm Yeah, okay, I don't have the time or will to slog through the thread again. Just...give me someone(s) to ISO or summat.

Sloonei and Ted pops into my head as interesting ISOs for what it's worth.

I feel I have reasons to town read Nanook, but it's honestly kind of hard to keep. Seems like he's contrarian to about anything you say. If you are him scum for reasons he's like "Omg no" and if you read him town for reasons he's like "Lol no". But you know...

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:57 pmHis case on me is literally "she's doing things she does when town, so she's totally a wolf pretending to be town.... or she's just town lolshrug." He actually said that last part. Kind of amazing really.

Ok, but your fight is kind of boring ngl. It's seems devoid of substance or at best filled with history I don't know about.

Saying you are waiting for Jack to change his mind doesn't really give him any out if he is in fact town and does in fact change his mind. I mean, have the read on him that you want.

I also don't get Jack's so sure read on you. Is that normal for Jack, anyone? I seem to remember a more tempered town!Jack.

Anyway Nut/Jack isn't really interesting to me right now. They make a lot of noise, but I bet there's many many scum among the people not making any waves right now.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:14 pmRead through my ISO then cause I’ve explained it to other people and I don’t feel like going through it again.

I wasn’t being self-deprecating is my point, I was being sarcastic.

What will you do to identify a correct lynch choice for today?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:15 pmThe caveats are pretty much the same caveat, e.g. 'Player X seems to be working hard to solve the game; this is a good look for them...except if they're just on scum team 1 and are looking for scum team 2.'

Ted and Sig pop into mind when I think of this.

Another example: normally I'd say Turnip's vote on me feels natural enough, as he hinted at it in earlier posts; but then again, if he's Scum A who wants to slip onto a non-leading wagon he thinks could be Scum B, then he's played it exactly right.

Yeah, multiball sucks. But some players are just pure in heart. Like me. <3 I read your post to/about me, will respond.

I'm liking Ted's interaction with Nut.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:28 pmI had/have liked your tone. You've seemed like the classic free-flowing post-whatever I'll Make Waves When I Get To It Dyslexicon I most associate with my internal Dyslexicon lexicon. I don't get the impression you're trying to look like something.

I've appreciated ted's barbed, no-nonsense go at the thread. His first move was to shit directly into my very own Corn Flakes. Given that he [to my memory] has not played with me before but has some conception of JaggedJimmyJay gives that motion an emboldened solver look that I like.

Ok. I'm sure I'm able to have "good tone" as scum too. And I hadn't really gotten to it, as you say, when you town read me. But sure, you're not wrong lol.

And I agree on Ted now that I've paid more attention there.