The Syndicate

I agree. Chandler Bing is bad.

Yeah it was pretty lazy. I just phone in sock games and got a similar impression of you as the other person did. Sorry I didn't dress it up.

But your reaction is civ so ill look elsewhere i guess.

I'm gonna vote for golf

So Golf is obviously Mafia.

Looks like Charlie's little outburst of frustration at my lame duck vote might get me lynched today. That's fine. Golf is Mafia though. The progression from observing and making a joke about my vote on them, commenting on a few random events and then voting for me with no explanation is pretty funny. That they then voted for Charlie after that is even more funny tbh because Charlie is obviously a civ.

Golf wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:38 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:33 pm

Golf wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:28 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:52 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:43 pm none of juliet’s posts look genuine. everyone go look and tell me what you think

might lynch them instead

While I don't agree with Juliet's point, I can see a civ believing that. My excuse could be interpreted as an attempt of unecessarily pleasing people.

That said, it also seems like a great case for a mafioso to opportunistically attack what may look like a civ waffling or talking too much.

Not sure if I want to vote here yet.

You talk more about potential mafioso than potential civ here. So which way are you leaning towards?

Civ.

Alright you can be my hard town read today

Like, this doesn't even make sense. It's just swiss cheese commentary. A standard mafia play. Say things without basis for the sake of it.

I would encourage civilians not to vote for me, the outcome would not be positive for a civilian victory in this game. I am a civilian.

Golf is a better lynch.

Less than one hour til end of day here. Perhaps we can muster some energy to at least have a good final hour?

There are currently votes on all but four people and yet no greater than two votes. I am one of those with two votes. This is not an optimal setup for a successful lynch. We need to consolidate. As I said, Golf is my preferred lynch today. I don't see any reason for votes on Kilo and I don't think Golf's vote on Charlie is a good one. As it stands Golf is positioned to lynch me out of self preservation which is again, significantly non optimal as they won't even have to be held to account for it.

Civilians, do something about this.

Foxtrot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:33 pm

Echo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:06 am Yeah it was pretty lazy. I just phone in sock games and got a similar impression of you as the other person did. Sorry I didn't dress it up.

But your reaction is civ so ill look elsewhere i guess.

[VOTE: echo] aubergine

I know OMGUS is rarely valuable, but given the status of the game (little content, and little in the way of perceived consequences to bad voting) this vote is awful. Foxtrot is positioned to give no effort in this game, therefore give us no chance to solve them, therefore should be solved via lynch.

Both Golf and Foxtrot are good lynches. I am a bad lynch. A very bad lynch.

I am not feeling confident that there is going to be an influx of effort here.

Given that I doubt there's going to be much effort, and that Golf can self pres me to lynch me outright so will unlikely just go into a tie with me, and Foxtrot has no votes, I am forced to bring someone else into a tie with me.

It won't be Charlie or Kilo. I have to look at the other options here.

India wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:44 pm There's no I in team.

India wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:57 pm So I need to unlock a new space in my brain to keep track of what is essentially a whole new group of players with new names and new avatars?

Ok.

India has done nothing. They can die.

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:57 pmWord

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:18 am Probably just a recycled sock puppet from the that game and he didn’t change the avatar.

Delta has done nothing, they can die.

So Golf is now in a position where if they self preservation vote, the day becomes Golf vs. Echo.

After re-analysing the thread, while I suspect Golf, there are several others that have contributed less. I have particular concerns about India, Delta and Foxtrot. They have offered nothing.

We cannot win this game if they are civilians and are continue putting forth this effort. If we lynch Golf (or Echo) and they flip civilian, there is a strong chance that we will lose this game. As strange as it sounds, in a low effort game it is imperative that we don't lynch players who are civilian and putting forth efforts. Therefore I would prefer we lynch one from the aforementioned pile as opposed to Golf. We can solve Golf, as Golf has at least made a commitment to playing the game.

India and Foxtrot has zero votes. Delta has a vote from Hotel. So I will switch to Delta.

There is now less than half an hour until end of day and there is very little effort. This game is in dire health. I implore civilians to lift.

I think Golf is suspicious but unless we get more people in here we can put Golf into a lynching position that doesn't give them the avenue of tying with me.

we can't*

Bravo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:12 pm How is that relevant? Voting Delta isn't going to help your concerns of Golf having an avenue to tie the lynch.

If the lynch ends 2 v 2 v 2 then I have a less chance of being mislynched.

I have also now given Golf the chance to vote for Delta instead of me out of self preservation. I am more comfortable here.

Bravo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:15 pm

Echo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:13 pm

Bravo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:12 pm How is that relevant? Voting Delta isn't going to help your concerns of Golf having an avenue to tie the lynch.

If the lynch ends 2 v 2 v 2 then I have a less chance of being mislynched.

That is assuming Golf doesn't show up. Why are you assuming he's not going to show up if the votes stay the them? While at the same, dreading that he'll show up if you put it 3 v 2 v 1, which would guarantee you not being mislynched.

If he doesn't show up, I will switch back to golf in time in order for Golf to be lynched instead of me.

Basically as it was before then Golf's only avenue if they show up is to vote me into a tie.

In this situation, Golf or Delta can choose to vote for either me, and my response will be to vote THEM into a tie. Or they can vote for Delta. I am quite okay with Golf or Delta (and very not okay with my own lynch).

Should they just not show up, then the logical thing for me to do is to vote for Golf.

If they both show up and they both vote me and cause my lynch, well that'll be up to the civilians to solve whether they did so for good or bad reasons once I flip.

Bravo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:19 pm Do you see anything suspicious in Delta's post? Or is it default?

Foxtrot and India ping me more than Delta. They have zero votes on them.

Bravo seems rather perturbed by the notion of Delta being lynched. Noted.

Switching to Golf.

Hotel vote Golf to cover their escape route.

Never mind. Thank you for your help Bravo.

Hotel wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:26 pm

Echo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:23 pm Hotel vote Golf to cover their escape route.

I do not know why I should do that.

Well you can't now because the day is ended.

It would have been because at that stage it was either Golf or me getting lynched and me getting lynched would have sucked.

Well Golf is being lynched so Hotel's got nothing to worry about.

One down? Where does it say that? Am I blind or are the flips not telling us who has flipped?

I am surprised, as I was expecting two deaths. I did not expect the disguiser kill to replace the factional kill, but rather to be an additional kill to the regularly scheduled factional kill.

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:35 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:46 pm [VOTE: Juliet] aubergine for now. at least one mafioso is a consistent, unchanging identity (possibly but probably not Golf). as such i will begin with my chief suspicion.

Guide me through your logic here Charlie. How am I more likely to be mafia?

This is not the response I expect of a civilian at least 75% of the time. Some civilians are capable of this, but not most.

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:40 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:59 pm

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:51 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:08 pm I’ve been thinking about my read of Echo and I realized that my biggest reason for suspect him is his treatment of me and Golf in the lynch. But for that suspicion to be true then Golf needed to be bad. I have read over Golf’s post and I am pretty certain he was civ. In fact if I had been active at that point I would have possibly tried to save him because I am surprised that anyone even suspected him in the first place, that’s how civ his ISO looked to me. My fault for not being here.

Do you still believe you were the mislynch scapegoat?

Can you explain the question? I believe Golf was civ, so it’s unlikely that Echo was doing it with bad intentions.

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:48 am Picking a random inactive is one thing. But there was a strong attempt to coordinate movement to me, which looks to me like a save attempt. It wasn’t just like, well there is no one better so why not an inactive? It was an attempt to get me lynched instead. Shady shit imo.

The only person that could have possibly been the one conducting such "shady shit" is myself. Yet Delta has rationalised that even though my ultimate move was to vote for Golf, who Delta has determined was a civilian, this somehow clears me.

It is questionable logic. I understand it, but I am not sure that it is a civilian minded progression.

Choosing to exercise discretion on their own analysis however, is, I am want to trust Delta at this time.

I think we can all agree that India was the disguiser. That is very obvious as that kill makes no sense otherwise.

India-scum had managed two whole posts. So expect the new version of India to muster the same amount of energy, if not less, as the challenge has now become even greater.

Charlie has exhibited extremely similar posting habits to their Day 1. I do not think Charlie is the one whose skin has been taken, which is a surprise as it is who I would have chosen.

Perhaps Charlie is playing the vocal deepwolf role while the disguiser just lurks.

Delta appears to be the same person that they were from before.

Foxtrot remains a problem that requires a solution. Hotel is also the same person that they were previously.

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:11 am The flips do not tell us who flipped. So how does Bravo know Golf was bad?

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:10 pm Anyone else still think it's weird that Bravo was on the winning lynch train and immediately thought we had lynched a baddie?

Possible Delta > Juliet?

Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:04 pm So... I guess this makes all previous reads unrealiable?

I do not like the underlying intention of this post.

The logic is disagreeable, given that there is still probably a wolf wearing the same sheepskin here, and the comment only serves to reset civilian reads. I do not see why a civilian would have this opinion.

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:02 pm

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:58 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:11 am The flips do not tell us who flipped. So how does Bravo know Golf was bad?

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:10 pm Anyone else still think it's weird that Bravo was on the winning lynch train and immediately thought we had lynched a baddie?

Possible Delta > Juliet?

I do not understand the question.

Juliet had not yet voiced a concern about how Bravo handled the lynch train. Delta had. I am posing the question as to where there is logic in thinking that Delta was the disguiser and chose Juliet's skin.

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:05 pm

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:03 pm

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:02 pm

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:58 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:11 am The flips do not tell us who flipped. So how does Bravo know Golf was bad?

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:10 pm Anyone else still think it's weird that Bravo was on the winning lynch train and immediately thought we had lynched a baddie?

Possible Delta > Juliet?

I do not understand the question.

Juliet had not yet voiced a concern about how Bravo handled the lynch train. Delta had. I am posing the question as to where there is logic in thinking that Delta was the disguiser and chose Juliet's skin.

Wouldn't Delta need to be dead for that to work?

Of course, ignore me.

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:04 pm

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:01 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:04 pm So... I guess this makes all previous reads unrealiable?

I do not like the underlying intention of this post.

The logic is disagreeable, given that there is still probably a wolf wearing the same sheepskin here, and the comment only serves to reset civilian reads. I do not see why a civilian would have this opinion.

it is hyperbolic. there is a need to reset some reads. there is no need to throw day 1 out the window.

And the "so... I guess" is the way Mafia introduce thoughts they aren't confident in introducing to the game. I would expect a civilian who genuinely feels this way to say something more like "I think day 1 reads are unreliable now." It reads like someone trying to put a negative thought into the gamethread in the hopes a civilian picks it up and agrees with it.

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:14 pm

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:52 pm I think we can all agree that India was the disguiser. That is very obvious as that kill makes no sense otherwise.

India-scum had managed two whole posts. So expect the new version of India to muster the same amount of energy, if not less, as the challenge has now become even greater.

Alternative hypothesis: India-scum planned on shapeshifting all along and laid low on Day 1 to conceal their personality. Day 2 they are free to be any person they feel comfortable replicating.

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:56 pm Foxtrot remains a problem that requires a solution. Hotel is also the same person that they were previously.

But if we follow the first hypothesis, Foxtrot is a very easy target. Maybe too easy and too obvious.

Foxtrot doesn't have to be the disguiser to be bad.

Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:02 pm

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:56 pm Foxtrot remains a problem that requires a solution. Hotel is also the same person that they were previously.

I dunno I find Hotel's roleplay style very easy to mimic.

I would think it's harder when it's a normal person's way of talking.

I wasn't analysing their role play I was analysing their grammar and sentence structuring.

Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:56 pm Because they are both true, imo.

Day 1 reads are unreliable. Especially civ ones. Sorry Echo, it's just the truth. We have to stay paranoid for people who changed the way they post, even if in slight ways.

But we also have to come up with some reason to vote. And the Day 1 stuff is there to analyse, can't run away from it. And besides, the very nature of the ability should make baddie reads more reliable than civ ones, since only civs will be swapped.

Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:57 pm Yes I just defended two opposite things in the same post. Booyah, motherfuckers.

The fact that you felt the need to make this second post after the first is enough reason to lynch you today. You clearly became self conscious of having that first post analysed and tried to get in front of it. This is something that nets Mafia A LOT.

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:47 pm I am surprised, as I was expecting two deaths. I did not expect the disguiser kill to replace the factional kill, but rather to be an additional kill to the regularly scheduled factional kill.

Can someone tell me why this is an incorrect thing to have expected?

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:08 pm

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:49 pm

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:40 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:59 pm

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:51 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:08 pm I’ve been thinking about my read of Echo and I realized that my biggest reason for suspect him is his treatment of me and Golf in the lynch. But for that suspicion to be true then Golf needed to be bad. I have read over Golf’s post and I am pretty certain he was civ. In fact if I had been active at that point I would have possibly tried to save him because I am surprised that anyone even suspected him in the first place, that’s how civ his ISO looked to me. My fault for not being here.

Do you still believe you were the mislynch scapegoat?

Can you explain the question? I believe Golf was civ, so it’s unlikely that Echo was doing it with bad intentions.

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:48 am Picking a random inactive is one thing. But there was a strong attempt to coordinate movement to me, which looks to me like a save attempt. It wasn’t just like, well there is no one better so why not an inactive? It was an attempt to get me lynched instead. Shady shit imo.

The only person that could have possibly been the one conducting such "shady shit" is myself. Yet Delta has rationalised that even though my ultimate move was to vote for Golf, who Delta has determined was a civilian, this somehow clears me.

It is questionable logic. I understand it, but I am not sure that it is a civilian minded progression.

Choosing to exercise discretion on their own analysis however, is, I am want to trust Delta at this time.

Misrepresentation there bud. I didn’t clear you. But your actions at lynch end look much less suspect to me if I am correct about Golf. That doesn’t make you civ, it just means I let go of something I found suspicious in light of other factors after I ISOed Golf.

So you think I am Mafia then? You accuse me of misrepresenting you. I must be Mafia?

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:13 pm Why do we need to tell you that when the host has already confirmed that it works another way.

Show me where please.

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:14 pm Dude stop putting words in my mouth, when I think you are mafia I will call you out as such. You think cubs can’t misrepresent someone unintentionally? Bias make sure us read things certain ways sometimes and can lead to misrepresentation.

Misrepresentation is an accusation. "Being wrong" is the benign form of this.

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:17 pm

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:36 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:53 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:41 pm i'm still me. i am of the perspective that the disguiser kills a player, takes their account, and then the disguiser's own identity is shown as the kill instead.

sprityo, if you're able to confirm or deny that it'd be appreciated

Correct

ooooooh. thanks.

I’m done talking to you about nonsense. I’d rather scum hunt then get drug into fucking meaningless arguments.

I presume you've quoted the wrong thing here?

I am questioning you. This is not a "meaningless fucking argument", this is me trying to analyse your motivations and roles. Avoiding assisting me does not assist a civilian outcome.

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:17 pm

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:36 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:53 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:41 pm i'm still me. i am of the perspective that the disguiser kills a player, takes their account, and then the disguiser's own identity is shown as the kill instead.

sprityo, if you're able to confirm or deny that it'd be appreciated

Correct

ooooooh. thanks.

I’m done talking to you about nonsense. I’d rather scum hunt then get drug into fucking meaningless arguments.

This doesn't clarify whether the disguiser kill occurs in addition to or instead of the factional kill.

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:22 pm And I answered you and you want to get into an argument of semantics. You don’t like my answer, fine. But I’m not arguing at length over stuff that doesn’t get us anywhere. You can go argue with someone else. It is nonsense to argue the meaning of the word misrepresentation. If I think you are bad you will have no question about it. I have no problems putting my reads in the thread.

I have not quoted the wrong thing. That was what you asked me to show you.

Ugh.

It is not nonsense to question the motivations of using pointed commentary to describe how I have behaved when there are less pointed ways of describing it. This is analysing your behaviour in a very ordinary way. "Why did he choose to use this descriptor". It's very basic and ordinary scum hunting, not some horrible encroachment on your peace and tranquility.

I was asking the question of why you would say I am misrepresenting you as opposed to pointing at that I am misunderstanding you. There are ways to describe what I did from your perspective, many of them, and you chose the most provocative and accusatory way to describe it, which contrasts with the fact that you do not suspect me. It's a valid concern.

I will not be pushed around by someone over simply doing my civilian duty. Pull your head in.