The Syndicate

Here, checking in. Hello all.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:49 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:46 pm Here, checking in. Hello all.

Welcome aboard, Eloh. We've hit the ground running.

I see there are a few pages already. It is fluff or do I need to read them?

k. I will read it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:36 am

reywaS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:39 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:20 am Let me make it clear that this will be an active Mafia game. Every phase will move at a good pace, and we will not fart around for a moment while the mafia team does whatever they like.

Purpleface me all you like rey! I just had to watch an entire civilian team barely care until it was too late in the Socky game. The mafia team didn’t break a sweat until LyLo.

It’s not happening with JJJ around. No sir. Today we give a shit. Today we fight our oppressors. Today we make them suffer the cold bite of justice.

reywaS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:32 am sounds like a mafia gambit...just sayin, homie. rallying the troops with deceit in your heart? Say it ain't so!

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 am Haha you guys trying to accuse me because I said hi its gonna be a good group? I didn't have any chatter because no one was on to chat with when I was here. My accusation is nova and Jay must be teammates trying to stir the pot together and get all the suspicions off of them.

I have you agree that the thoughts crossed my mind as well. But I think Jay (at least) is being genuine. Chuck said it best and summed it up very well...

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:11 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:58 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.

JJJ is pending town. Ask me why.

Aw heck Sloonei

Y tho

Town JJJ is supah hot fire. Or, at least he can be.

As scum, he can only fake that intensity and proactivity.

Examples: Phenon: Origins. JJJ was pretty chill in that game and only made it through the last day due to town complacency and his emotional pleas, not because of firey town hunting.
Mountain Mafia also had a scum JJJ in it. His arguments, through D3, fell flat. The usual effort wasn't there, and it was more about half-hearted bussing and opportunistic arguments than genuine 'stirring the pot'.

If JJJ keeps up his current attitude, and keeps people on their toes, I'm comfortable labeling him town. It is still pending, though. Give him a few days.

This doesn't mean I 100% think Jay is town. But I think it is very likely.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:10 pm Sloonei could be bad. Need more data. Cbob need more data too

Couldn't you say this about everyone?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:10 pm Rey is trying too hard

Rey is just silly. Have you played with him before?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:27 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:57 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:38 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 am Haha you guys trying to accuse me because I said hi its gonna be a good group? I didn't have any chatter because no one was on to chat with when I was here. My accusation is nova and Jay must be teammates trying to stir the pot together and get all the suspicions off of them.

Nevermind Jay and Nova. Seems like they are strong-arming everyone at the door with their check-in posts. It's simply a power show.

What does this "power show" indicate to you about rey and I?

I didn't mention rey. It just makes you and Nova look like you're excited for the game, and don't mind punching reads out of people's check-in posts. I like the enthusiasm, but your methods look a bit harsh.

This... is actually interesting. Rey for Nova slip. I'm intrigued.

Hmmmm...what do we think about this? Was it just an accidental mention of the wrong name. Rey, why would Jay accidentally say YOUR name instead of Nova?

Still one more page to read, posting anyway b/c I don't care that people are annoyed by that.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:51 pm The idea crossed Eloh's mind...

Your post is over my head.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:25 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:19 pmElohcin - Mostly null, a bit of a town lean. He seems to be posting his thoughts a little and avoid minor drama. Still, hasn't done too much.

Thanks for the reads, leetic. Can you expand a little on what you observed from Elohcin that led you to the conclusion I highlighted? Also, she's a she (just FYI ).

She posted a little about you and nutella, and seems to have disregarded the drama of you saying someone else's name. Not much, which is why I mostly consider her null, but more than a couple others have done.

For clarity's sake, I didn't disregard anything. I even asked rey why Jay would do such a thing. I try not to get on nutella too early. It is something I have fault with doing. I always think her Day 0/Day1, and heck maybe Day 2 posts scream baddie so I try to give her the benefit of the doubt. So I am refraining from expanding on every one of her posts. I'm just trying to soak everything in for now. It's what I do. I'll come out later...ask the others. As for now, I have 6 pages to read after working all day :P. I'll share my thoughts as I go. I'm at the top of pg 5.

AudreyTheTattletail wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:48 pm i promise you nutella is a were wolf otherwise why would she use lots of bad words in a small sentense if she's not a were wolf well than who else could be seriously.

what's a were wolf?

reywaS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:52 pm im still curious why nutella thinks my read post was serious. Waiting for a response. Thanks.

paranoia?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:33 pm Neither omgus not anger.


Have you played with me before leetic?

leetic seems to read you like I read you. And I am slowly but surely trying to not think everything you say is baddie indicative. But I totally see where he gets what he does.

civ: leetic, chuck
scum: TBD

.....going to top of pg 6

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:19 am Are we still doing the two townreads two scumreads thing, or am I too late to the party?

eeww....I don't like this question. Civs can always benefit from opinions like this and the fact that you are asking is making me change my opinion on you.

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I know, I know....Tasha, just read everything and THEN post. But then I would never post!!! It took me an hour and a half to get through 4 minutes of a tv show today....literally!!!!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:40 am It's not my favorite nutella post. "Have you played with me before" is bleh

It's a very nutella thing to say though.

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okay, I am at the point in reading where everything is beginning to blur. I have to walk away for a bit. It's migraine week, and although meds help, I have to take a break from screens for a while.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:38 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:34 pm Curious why everyone is townreading Jay so hard. Jack has explained his already.

They think I suck when I'm a bad guy.

I think you used to be really good as a bad guy. I think you had a streak where you might have been trying new metas and you happened to be bad in a good bit of those games. I think it made people think you are not a good baddie.

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OH, Audrey is Mac's daughter. Welcome Audrey! Great job girl! My daughter is 9 Her name on the Syndicate is Tink. I bet you guys would have fun playing mafia together.

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colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:43 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:19 am Are we still doing the two townreads two scumreads thing, or am I too late to the party?

eeww....I don't like this question. Civs can always benefit from opinions like this and the fact that you are asking is making me change my opinion on you.

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I know, I know....Tasha, just read everything and THEN post. But then I would never post!!! It took me an hour and a half to get through 4 minutes of a tv show today....literally!!!!

Fwiw you don't have to apologise every time you post during your catch-up. I think your opinions as you go are valuable.

Thank you. Certain players used to get so mad at me for doing so. But it is the only way I will ever be able to get any words down. I can never fully catch up in one sitting.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:20 pm Someone tell me why speedchuck is a civilian.

Didn't YOU say he was because of his game greeting?

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:35 pm Married couples are missing out on the opportunity to say things like “Speedchuck has been leaving the toilet seat up lately, which is his scum tell.”

y'all want some dirt on our host?

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:21 pm We need another infusion of motivation. Since the beginning of 2018, this is how civilians have performed on The Syndicate:

Jobs: 2-7
Side Missions: 1-5
Heists: 2-8
Burglaries: 2-4
Special Games: 3-2

Total: 10 wins and 26 losses.

It doesn't have to be this way. It hasn't been about game design. Buck the trend.

This has to do with game balance as well.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:24 am Day 1 ISO of Elohcin

Large catch-up post #1

By the way Eloh: I think it's great that you make an effort to get your thoughts into the game as you are catching up. By all means continue doing that.

What I like about this post: she acknowledged both sides of the read on me and still came to a conclusive stance, that I am very likely a civilian. She poked nutella in a meaningful way. In response to my nova/rey flub she actually prodded rey, which I think is interesting and fun.

What I like less: she dismissed nutella's suspicion of rey too easily.

Spoiler: show

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:24 pmleetic seems to read you like I read you. And I am slowly but surely trying to not think everything you say is baddie indicative. But I totally see where he gets what he does.

civ: leetic, chuck
scum: TBD

I am just making note that Eloh provided two civilian reads here that I think I had previously missed. Cool beans.

Spoiler: show

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:19 am Are we still doing the two townreads two scumreads thing, or am I too late to the party?

eeww....I don't like this question. Civs can always benefit from opinions like this and the fact that you are asking is making me change my opinion on you.

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I know, I know....Tasha, just read everything and THEN post. But then I would never post!!! It took me an hour and a half to get through 4 minutes of a tv show today....literally!!!!

She promptly turned her opinion around on speedchuck in response to the above post. I don't object to the progression really. She's working in real-time. I would like to know though, Elohcin, why you had read speedchuck as a civilian before this moment?

Large catch-up post #2

This one contains no reads and is instead neutral commentary on a few select thread nuggets. She's right about me here, but it doesn't say much in the way of a read progression.

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This feels less inspiring than I thought it might given my prior confidence. Generally I still lean in the civilian direction, but I am open to dissenting views.

Churck's demeanor seemed civ from the get-go. But, just as I usually see nutella as bad, I usually see chuck as good. I need to put my preconceptions out of my mind.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:09 am People who haven’t voted yet as of 10am EST:

Elohcin
Lunalee
reywaS
speedchuck

I could legitimately see the entire mafia team existing in this set.

I very rarely vote early even when votes are changeable.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:10 am

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:13 pm speedchuck, I'd be interested to hear about your present feelings on Elohcin, regardless of the GTH read.

Absence makes the heart forget why we ever loved in the first place

Meh. I asked him this because he'd called Elohcin a civilian in his 2/2 and then a mafioso in his GTH reads. The switch doesn't have to be a problem. I suspected though that he'd forgotten his own fake read and gave her a red in the GTH, because mafia members need reds and she was an easy one given her low post count.

...and he did forget.

Holy shit I love this.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

I've done similar as a civ. I cannot fault him for this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:19 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:18 pm Sorry, don't have an example. Day 1 lynches are hard for me.

They're hard for all of us. I have to wonder though why you're mounting resistance to a bandwagon on a player for whom you don't have a read.

I back luna on this. The votes on chuck seem suspicious and I am not even close to certain of chuck's alignment either. From the get-go, JJJ has been saying BS about this player and that player whether is be of their civviness or baddiness. He has been doing whatever he can just to get people to participate. I think that this his vote for chuck and hard go on chuck is the same thing. I don;t think JJJ CARES if chuck si good or bad. I think he just thinks that it will get people working to solve the game. I think JJJ could be indie.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:25 pm The alignment ratio is indicated in the OP. 10 civilians and 3 mafia. No independents.

Then I think you are careless, mean civ.

look at me all caught up.

Okay, so my vote. I don't think I have even mentioned nova this game. I have had a bad gut read on him but haven't said anything since it isn't concrete. I like to have reasons to back up my feelings.

Wait! Why is nova voting for himself? He has been really strange this game. If he wants to vote for himself, he can get one from me too. Thank you for giving me a concrete reason to vote you, nova.

linki, with Jay. That is exactly what I thought. Glad to know I read you right And I would say you don't care abotu Chuck's alignment because you know it won't hurt civs that much to get a mislynch Day 1. Even when civs win, they usually have a misllynch Day1.

there is a lot more linki...I'll read it in a minute.

I guess it wasn't too much linki. Anyway....why are you going after chuck specifically, Jay. Why did you choose HIM to be the guinea pig for getting people to participate?

wow guys. I have been working and just now getting back to the thread. I have no clue how the train came to be on luna, but great job. And Jay already on it trying to figure out who is bad with Luna....wish I had your time and eagerness.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:34 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:36 pm Okay, so my vote. I don't think I have even mentioned nova this game. I have had a bad gut read on him but haven't said anything since it isn't concrete. I like to have reasons to back up my feelings.

Wait! Why is nova voting for himself? He has been really strange this game. If he wants to vote for himself, he can get one from me too. Thank you for giving me a concrete reason to vote you, nova.

linki, with Jay. That is exactly what I thought. Glad to know I read you right And I would say you don't care abotu Chuck's alignment because you know it won't hurt civs that much to get a mislynch Day 1. Even when civs win, they usually have a misllynch Day1.

there is a lot more linki...I'll read it in a minute.

I’ve liked all of elohcin’s posts until this one.

why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:18 am Then again, he might be more inclined toward being an influential force if his teammate is plumetting toward a lynch. I don’t have a clear sense of how exactly the voting played out.

The speedchuck wagon had swelled to 4 votes at its peak I believe. A few others had 2 each, including Jack and nova. I decided to move my vote from speedchuck to Lunalee:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:49 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

This made it 3-2-2-2 with speechuck in front (colonialbob had voted Luna first about 2.5 hours earlier). Then about 15-20 minutes later, nova moved to Luna and an avalanche followed him. I recommend you review the progression starting from my vote.

Thanks for this recap, Jay. So Nova looks pretty darn good then.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:09 pm One thing I found interesting is that, with my switch to the Jack wagon, votes were 4-5, meaning it would be easy for scum to flip the lynch if they wanted to. Get, for some reason, they didn't.

There are a few potential conclusions that can be drawn from this:

1. Scum was already on the Jack wagon, and thus couldn't switch.
2. Scum wasn't around during EOD.
3. Jack himself is scum.

If conclusion 1 is correct, that's not a good look for reywaS, and likewise with sabie and conclusion 2. Thus, I think either of them would be good targets for D2.

I like this train of thought. I like the way you play, my friend. Your posts get to the point and are easy to digest.

posting, but I'm only at the top of pg 19

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:38 pm bob's grievances with Elohcin are resonating too. She was close to correct in her assumptions about my strategies, but I don't know why "indie" was in her mindset. Early in games, I think mafia members are generally more indie-conscious than civilians.

Indie came to mind because you didn't seem to care if you were lynching a civ or baddie. I was thinking made you just need someone, anyone dead. And you were trying to get everyone rowled up and participating to get make it a fun go for you. I thought I was on to something. At least I got some of it right.

Nutella, I am sitting here trying to figure this out as well. I think you got it. He picks two, if one has a power, he dies instead. So did mafia kill him or did he die b/c of his power. I have no clue It is confusing. Epi can you give us a clearer description of Jay's role?

let me just say, I know I have been AWOL. I've been in the kitchen for like ever and I'm in no state to try to comprehend a mafia game atm. I will be back and help somwtime soon. Please be patient with me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:48 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:32 pm Nutella, I am sitting here trying to figure this out as well. I think you got it. He picks two, if one has a power, he dies instead. So did mafia kill him or did he die b/c of his power. I have no clue It is confusing. Epi can you give us a clearer description of Jay's role?

Eloh, we haven’t talked much this game. Where’s your head at?

I don't think we every interact much in games, tbh.

At the moment, I am just trying to stay awake. I have worked full days, 6 days this week and I am so tired physically and emotionally. That being said, let's first talk about Rey and leetic.

I am thankful for people like leetic who have the time and effort to do ISOs. I see leetic as a trustworthy civ, however this IS my first game with him.

Rey is a hard one to read. His playstyle is silly and unfocused. He is right when he says he doesn't take time to do ISOs. I would bet he has never even clicked the "isolate posts" button for an individual player. He just has fun and goes with the flow. This makes it difficult to either trust him, or see him as bad. So, as he could be bad, I am unsure.

Next is Sabie. (I am just talking about the people's names I see as I catch up in the thread.) I can never read Sabie. She(?) is always very neutral to me. She seems a little go-along, get-along to me this game which could be scummy. Oh wait....she has been sick, I forgot.

Nova is the next name I see....I haven't liked him this game, but then again, I want to say that the luna lynch made him look good if I remember correctly. I could be misremembering.

Chuck...not a clue. [mention]leetic[/mention] what do you mean by saying chuck is "sheeping" nova?

Bob - seems to be a helpful civ, but mafia can seem that way if they care to put in the effort. He mentions putting on a Jay suit. Maybe he thinks that with Jay gone, he can fill those shoes and get civ cred for it. Or, perhaps he is actually good and just trying to keep the game moving and the baddies killed. (This little paragraph says I basically have no idea about Bob's allignment. It is the kind of post MP would always make. "He could be good, he could be bad, I don't know.")

Nutella....I actually think is good despite some suspicious posts on Day 1. So, this means she is probably bad.

Audrey. I think this may be her first game. She is 8 years old. She very well could be bad, but I say this not because of any posts she has made. Her posts have seemed fine. She is probably civ. Jack, you are concerned with her posting times. I think she is in Australia.

sloonei. I think civ. call it gut. I am posting this. I have 2 more pages to go.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:25 pm Ok speed responded to leetic's thing but my point stands. It's unusual for him to need a reminder and appear that reluctant/uncaring. Here is a post from Hogwarts in which he immediately responds to each point of a case I made on him, and in these two posts he eagerly invites people to engage him and give him stuff about himself to respond to.

Sorry, I must have forgotten what opionion you had of speed. What point stands if you don't mind repeating yourself.

okaym that is all I can get in...gotta go do something...be back soon

I don't know who to vote for. I think this is a civ/civ lynch here.

okay, I like what Sloonei said....If I don;t think about the trains and just go with who I think could be bad, it would be sabie. Sorry Sabie, I hope you are feeling better. But I have to vote you.

wow, I didn't think he would be bad again. there is some kind of falacy thing for that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:35 pm Lunachuck was finally bad and it lasted two minutes.

haha, this was exactly my thought

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:35 pm That's certainly an odd choice for a nightkill, but at least that takes someone major off my suspects list. [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine because everyone else has given me more reason to believe they're town than her.

My P4:

sabie
Jack
reywaS
Audrey

odd indeed. why would mafia kill sloonei. Would be cool if I was right about Sabie.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:21 pm Yeah, that kill is pretty mindboggling. Sloonei's last couple posts looked decent but everything else was pretty bad. We have consensus townreads in Bob and Nova.

I tend to agree the Sloonei kill was about Rey. Either it's because Rey is scum and he wanted to get rid of his biggest detractor or it was to setup Rey. If it's the later, it means the wolf gave up a potential mislynch on Sloonei to make a mislynch on Rey more likely (and it's already a fairly likely event in a world where Rey is town). That points to a wolf that is very secure in their position or a wolf that doesn't have a plan beyond today.

Sloonei just put forth a townread on Sabie but lots of people have been suspicious of her. I don't think she kills him in this scenario, even to push a Rey mislynch. Cause if that works and we lynch Sloonei and Rey, Sabie because one of the most suspicious players with several mislynches to go.

Nutella doesn't shoot Sloonei here. Leet doesn't shoot Sloonei here. (Jack doesn't shoot Sloonei here.) They're on the edge of POE. Why shoot a player that could eat a mislynch while sparing players who never will and put themselves in more POEs than they would be if they had shot Nova or Bob?

Putting aside tinfoil of a Bob or Nova wolf who wouldn't give a damn about POEs cause they're not really in them, I think the kill choice points to Eloh, who had basically no reads by EOD yesterday (until she suddenly townread Speedchuck) or Audrey, who is in the same boat. Those are the players I can see shooting Sloonei.

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

Talk to me about your Speedchuck read. Why did you think he was a civ an hour after you told me you had "not a clue" about his alignment?

He hadn't done anything to make me think he was bad. Still, I had no clue if he were good or bad.

Whoever the last baddie is is laughing it up today with all y'all gunnin' for me.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:23 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:21 pm Whoever the last baddie is is laughing it up today with all y'all gunnin' for me.

Well I know it's not me and if it really isn't you then who do you think it is?



Also I just noticed audrey hasnt posted since Saturday. Hope she's okay

POE: Sabie, Rey, or Audrey

I know Rey is always a silly player. And I know he isn't lying about his crazy day yesterday. However, I can see him being Chuck and Luna's teammate. Sabie has been a gut read this whole game. And Audrey...I can see her being bad with chuck and luna as well. And once they were gone, maybe she felt she had no one to talk to anymore, felt defeated, and left. I guess if I had to pick one more, it would be nutella but only b/c she is good at tricking me . Everyone else has given me good reason to think they are civ.

hahaha, yes, Animal Jam is a favorite in my house too.

I didn't change my opinion on chuck. I always never thought he did anything to look bad. I have to go plate and eat dinner with the fam.. I will be back later.

So because I don't like his question, I am waffleing? I don't get it. I have a right to not like his question. Y'all are reaching. Also, I just want to say, I AM CIV. Apparently I can say that. I didn't think I could b/c of role claiming. But I asked the host.

alright. I am going to vote for rey (b/c he texts and drives and I want him to know he could wreck and kill people that way) because my vote doesn't mean anything anyway and I cannot save myself, and you all have no clue what you are doing.

Refresh refresh refresh. Can't wait for y'all to see. :P

You big dummies!