The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:05 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:05 pm I wouldn't take Epignosis' teammate's word at face value

On one hand, he’s bad.

But on the other, why not take advantage of his hunting? I mean, I said it before but baddies know that there are multiple teams and should be actively hunting.

Who knows, maybe if he tries hard enough, we might spare him today? (Maybe not)

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:26 pm So what do people think of Scotty?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:05 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:05 pm I wouldn't take Epignosis' teammate's word at face value

On one hand, he’s bad.

But on the other, why not take advantage of his hunting? I mean, I said it before but baddies know that there are multiple teams and should be actively hunting.

Who knows, maybe if he tries hard enough, we might spare him today? (Maybe not)

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:24 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:12 pm He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

I think I made a pretty open and shut case on Chuck and Epi roundabouts Day 2 of Pikachu thread but the long and short is they both dicked around with their votes D1 to vote for Quin. Then of course there's Nutella's flip.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:24 pmEpignosis seemed mostly focused on discussing/theorizing about the other tribe (whomever happened to be on it at the time) and his failure most recently to engage with similar theorizing relating to the tribe he was actually in pinged me. So. There ya go.

Epi and Chuck are mafia together.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:56 pm The difference between our speculations is that we know one exists(existed) and one is entirely speculation.

Yes, you know nutella better than I do, but predicting how she plays a role is circumstantial. I, conversely, don’t like hoarding cool powers, but sometimes I do.

I think balance would require that they both exist. As I said multiple times, I was at the front of the "Chuck is Bad" queue, but if he is not LC's teammate, I have problems with that. Either he is LCs teammate, or he is Nutellas target. Not both. I just find the opportunism disturbing. The thread based reasons for him being bad are totally contradicted by him potentially being Nutellas target. The moon comes out in the morning and the Sun shines at the North Pole on New Years day if Chuck is bad but not LCs teammate.

After I took flak for "railroading" LC, this readiness to turn on someone for a reveal in a game where nothing is known or predictable is something I find ill done.

And that's all I have to say about that.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:13 pm since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:38 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:27 pm He’s blendy, has added nothing worthwhile to the discussion and has self voted now twice. Also he has no game-mechanic-induced penalty to talk.

Where I came from, being unavailable =/= blendy.

Also, did someone claim that I have a game-mechanic-induced penalty to talk?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:44 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:39 pm “Blendy” could also be a great strategy for a civ that I never seem to employ in early games (one day maybe I’ll learn), as a meddlesome talker could be seen as a threat to the mafia and be bumstickeroonied

If your goal is to win, then fuck blendiness. You'll look the same as the players you claim are scum for the same behavior.

#ballstothewall

Also, bewbs

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:09 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:49 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:41 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:13 pm Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

Yeah sure.

You sound so committed, it's impressive.

Why wouldn't they be Marmot's teammates? Because Epi voted for a guy who was gonna get lynched anyway?

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:21 pm I like Epi we should leave him alive.

What does the other tribe think of Sloonie?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:33 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:26 pm My point is that you think so highly of what happened on Day 1, you think you've got me figured out.

It's uncanny, really. Marmot is dead and bad. You fussed about that. Long Con is dead and bad. You fussed about that. nutella is dead and bad. I don't remember if you fussed about that.

And the thoroughness of your research is to look at what I did Day 1?

Step it up.

Cecil was killed day 1?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:24 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:12 pm He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

I think I made a pretty open and shut case on Chuck and Epi roundabouts Day 2 of Pikachu thread but the long and short is they both dicked around with their votes D1 to vote for Quin. Then of course there's Nutella's flip.

Epignosis seemed mostly focused on discussing/theorizing about the other tribe (whomever happened to be on it at the time) and his failure most recently to engage with similar theorizing relating to the tribe he was actually in pinged me. So. There ya go.

Epi and Chuck are mafia together.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:46 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:41 pm Yeah it was.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:24 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:12 pm He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

I think I made a pretty open and shut case on Chuck and Epi roundabouts Day 2 of Pikachu thread but the long and short is they both dicked around with their votes D1 to vote for Quin. Then of course there's Nutella's flip.

Epignosis seemed mostly focused on discussing/theorizing about the other tribe (whomever happened to be on it at the time) and his failure most recently to engage with similar theorizing relating to the tribe he was actually in pinged me. So. There ya go.

Epi and Chuck are mafia together.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:09 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:24 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:12 pm He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

I think I made a pretty open and shut case on Chuck and Epi roundabouts Day 2 of Pikachu thread but the long and short is they both dicked around with their votes D1 to vote for Quin. Then of course there's Nutella's flip.

I'll dick around as I please on Day 1. If you think I'd save speedchuck with that shitty "mafia" role of his Day 1 (I still don't buy it was a mafia role), you're gravely mistaken.

Hell, you are gravely mistaken.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:24 pmEpignosis seemed mostly focused on discussing/theorizing about the other tribe (whomever happened to be on it at the time) and his failure most recently to engage with similar theorizing relating to the tribe he was actually in pinged me. So. There ya go.

Epi and Chuck are mafia together.

This is spinning things in a dishonest manner. I explained why I felt comfortable speculating on a Night 1 kill of nijuukyugou as opposed to a Night 8 kill of a semi-lock civilian. There is no "failure" about it. I answered your question, but you're just being hard-headed.

You have my permission to use my gif.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:33 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:57 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:57 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:33 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

From this thread.

Thanks I forgot to vote in the poll.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:47 pm DH is trying to get other people to lynch me.

He won't do the deed himself.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

Bring it.

why

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:40 pm DH is refrigerator tho

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:26 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:22 pm I'll comment that these folks haven't posted yet today, and we've < 6 hours left.

@DrWilgy
@insertnamehere
@nijuukyugou
@sig

Marmot attempts to pump everyone up like he's JaggedJimmyJay


This is the Game of Champions folks! Let's get it together. Pretend that someone shit in your cornflakes or something.

What are your thoughts on these 4 people?

What are your thoughts on these 4 players?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:14 pm

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:34 pm Perhaps inconsistent, but I also appreciate Marmot's defense of me in the last two pages (I read the thread...a bit strangely. Last, first, and then the middle). I'm usually fairly suspicious when someone buddies up to me like he's been doing (and perhaps I should be more so), but I get good vibes. Let's see if that changes as I continue to catch up.

You spoke too soon. I grouped you with Scotty, the guy I'm voting for.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:21 pm

Boomslang wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:44 pm Ok, all caught up. I don't like Sig's explanation of the haiku confusion on a personal level, but I guess that's a playstyle disagreement. Not going to push it when we have juicy nightkill responses to make.

I wasn't involved in killing Blooper, but I strongly suspect that whoever did kill her is laughing their asses off at the WIFOM they just created. I'm betting it's one of the older players who understands the couples meta. Coupled with sig's good point about a ballsy scum team being willing to NK their own for the wifom...

Marmot needs to show up and give us something to chew on. Wilgy has also been super blendy so far. About the only thing we've gotten from him is some gentle needling of Sloonei based on a point made by Scotty. And a cryptic comment about Kyle — why is he a "hero and patriot" for voting Blooper?

I also have an eyeball on Lorab right now. "Ugh. I have no idea where to vote. I don't actually suspect anyone" at the end of Day 1 is so noncommittal, then she votes Sloonei for "peer pressure" and the active voices in the thread don't really get on her for that lack of reasoning. She then jumps in, first post of Day 2, to begin the WIFOM about me and the Blooper kill.

I just came across this post from Boomslang. Everything I've read from him up until this one I've like (and even parts of this one I like).

In regards to the "couples meta", I don't think Boomslang knows quite what that is. In my experience, Epignosis/Elohcin and Long Con/Black Rock avoid interaction and reading each other early in games, and also generally don't kill each other off early on in the case where one is scum and one is civilian.

Betting on one of the older players to is a broad suspicion, especially if no names are named.

Also, asking me to show up and give him something to chew on? You've only made one post today Boom.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:24 pm

Boomslang wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:39 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:59 pm Boomslang, who're you voting for today?

Why do you require a read on yourself from nijuu?

Still not 100% sure, but I could get behind a Wilgy vote. Based on posting patterns, I'm guessing either that he's bluffing or that Scotty/Blooper got a silence as their second role. I already didn't like his comment about killing himself before Bloops, and his response to my analysis of JoH was weird. He said I'd thought about Jack more than he had, then never responded why he thought Jack was good himself.

Therefore, I think a WIlgy lynch would give us good information. Imo, there's a not insignficant chance that he's bad, and if he's not, then I think we get valuable intel about Scotty/Blooper's targeting thoughts.

As for wanting Blooper's read on me? All in good time, my marmot.
linki: There it is! Much obliged.

I'll still take that reason for wanting a read from Blooper that you promised.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:56 pm Moving my vote to Boomslang. That's all I have time to do.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:04 pm

The lynching of Long Con was barely over when the snow began to fall. Gently at first, but it built stronger, and it wasn't long before a full on blizzard was occurring. No-one could see anyone else, and it was all they could do to huddle in whatever sheltered spot they could find. No-one could explain such an event in Fiji... and they were in Fiji.... weren't they??

No-one has died. It is now day 5, which will last for 48 hours.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:24 pm RIP Scotty.

Wait what?

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:51 pm

Boomslang wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:19 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:12 pm What do we all think of marmot's role?

My gut says mafia. I can see it as a blanket civ-protection thing, but it seems like the kind of role that would benefit most from coordination with other powers. And mafia are the ones most likely to have that coordination.

That's an unfair accusation (and one I can't defend against).

As you can see, that role was a limited time use. I wanted a new role.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:53 pm My qualm with your accusation Boomslang is that you offered reasons as to why that role could be civilian or mafia. Yet your gut says mafia. I don't think your gut is sincere.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:43 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:40 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:33 pm What makes you think I've dropped my suspicion of Epignosis?

You haven't mentioned him since last night and you haven't voted for him. If you are so sure about him and Chuck, and you can't vote for Chuck why aren't you voting for Epi? You would think that would help to prove your point on Chuck.

I mentioned him as early as last night, and you think I've dropped him as a suspect?

I'm not voting for him because theres no way anyone will fuck with that vote. Nobody will support an Epi vote. Much as I suspect the guy I'm not gonna take a shot at him that isn't a kill shot.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:41 pm If I understand your theory about nutella, S~V~S- that nutella didn't know she would die and would be holding on to her ability- I would argue that, from my perspective at least, nutella did not look engaged since LC went down. Might she have figured that she was likely to be lynched sooner rather than later? Wouldn't she have targeted speedchuck, who was unlikely to be lynched, hoping that the hosts would "confirm" his affiliation? If that was the case, then couldn't her shot have backfired for her in "clearing" a mafia speedchuck?

Can I emphasize something?

The above case is the only way that I am scum.
It doesn't make sense for nutella to implicate me like this, and it doesn't make sense for me to try so hard to save LC as his teammate. I was mathematically near-confirmed town with my first role, and I freaking hold to that. If you think I'm scum with LC and Nutella, then that's your problem, not a problem with the setup. You are bad at mafia.

So let's assume for a second that I am on Strex, and that nutella was trying to condemn me and accidentally hit a scum. That's the theory.
First of all, lol. This totally ruins my theory of Strex only being in Cerberus (to explain the nightkills). On top of that, I would have caught LC's slip originally, and believed it. Scumchuck would be a scumhunter too, in this game. ON TOP OF ALL THAT, I'd have freaking killed Dom and DH already for their sarcastic pursuit of me, if I could convince my team. It doesn't make sense for me to be Strex.

Sorry, got sidetracked. Real point following.

Assume that I, speedchuck, am Strexcorp. Do you think that BOTH LC and Nutella would target me with their alignment flip roles? LC before his death, and then nutella later?
Why?
I certainly can't think of a reason.

All this to say: When I flip town tomorrow night, freaking believe it. Use it. Thanks.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:08 pm Oh good thing I checked, I thought the poll ended TONIGHT! I did not realize the poll was completely restarted and ends tomorrow.

Linki @ Epi, I still think Chuck might be bad with Nutella, and I am OK at Mafia I also think the reveal in the thread is the one he will flip as, becasue I don't think Nutella targeted him. I think it possible LC targeted him, and LC alone. I was hoping to have more time to explore this possibility (I was in the middle of starting this when Nutella flipped and all opportunistic illogical hell broke loose) but of course that isn't going to happen now. And I could be wrong, and there is no way of knowing it until games end. It's why I asked the hosts if we would be told if a team is eliminated and they said, not surprisingly, no. But I still have major issues getting over how aggressively he defended LC.

Chuck is a charming and lovely adversary and I would Mafia with him all day long. But at this point, I still view him as an adversary. I guess I should be pleased about all of this, lynching someone I think is likely bad is lynching someone who is likely bad. But I think we will learn nothing, and probably create opportunities for his Cerberus teammates to get cred and skate. But I dislike lynching someone for the wrong reason, and I firmly believe this is the wrong reason.

I know I am a Cassandra shouting in the wilderness, but meh. I'm used to it.

Linki @ Daisy, Thank You

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:29 pm
linki @ Epi, do I not speak English? His Cerberus teammates: The member(s) of the even team that were originally on Cerberus. And see above^^ I think that power could have lasted after LCs death, if he targeted them before he died. It's a stretch, but it's my stretch. And it is tenuous, which is why I was not aggressive about it. I wanted to watch him. Then the Opportunistic Bowl happened.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:10 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:25 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:53 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:52 pm I've been around a bit today. I'd also like to emphasize the "doesn't make any sense for me to be nutella's teammate" angle and see what people think about that.

What angle is that?

If we were teammates nutella wouldn't have been the one hit by my bomb

what bomb?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:21 pm I am glad I don't know any naked cactus people

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:13 pm Ah fuck I misread that I thought it was in reference to the Wilgy vote

I am doing that. Yes. You are correct I am the spearhead.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:39 pm
My hearts throbs at seeing all the betrayed hope, of those children who thought we could get it done and yet, instead of receiving the present they expected, found a carcass of a dead marmot under the christmas tree. With coal.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:08 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:12 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:47 pm DH is trying to get other people to lynch me.

He won't do the deed himself.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

Bring it.

why

The explanation is literally in the quote you quoted.

"DH is trying to get other people to lynch me. He won't do the deed himself."

Are you asking me why DH is trying to get other people to lynch me? I don't know. Ask him.

I'm asking for the significance of it.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:03 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:22 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:08 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:12 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:47 pm DH is trying to get other people to lynch me.

He won't do the deed himself.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

Bring it.

why

The explanation is literally in the quote you quoted.

"DH is trying to get other people to lynch me. He won't do the deed himself."

Are you asking me why DH is trying to get other people to lynch me? I don't know. Ask him.

I'm asking for the significance of it.

Then you might try asking about the significance of it instead of "why" with no punctuation or anything that might lead me to understand what you are asking.

Even then, I don't know what you mean by "the significance of it."

Why the hell does your point matter?

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:43 pm Sorry, must be too highfalutin with my college degree.

DH wants to get other people to lynch you.

Why does that make him bad?

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:44 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:43 pm Sorry, must be too highfalutin with my college degree.

DH wants to get other people to lynch you.

Why does that make him bad?

It's so ironic that you missed the point when I mentioned college. You took it as an insult. I meant it as a compliment.

I don't think DH is bad. I never have.

Do you want to answer my question or not? I'm sick of this.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:55 pm I don't believe in coincidences like that.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:00 am IDK It just seemed odd that they waited so long and then right when the merge happened, boom, down goes Cecil.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:49 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:28 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:34 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:29 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight

So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?

Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.

I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.

Nope.

But like when would she use it where it would be more helpful? Because as far as I’m concerned, it’s not the most useful role for mafia, is it? It’s like a reverse cop. But the cop is drunk and tells everyone and once the cop dies everyone knows what a detriment he was to the force.

Why would she, right after he helped save a baddie, and she had no inkling she would die soon, reveal him as a civ, rather than let the thread derail (and it would have) by people trying to lynch him?

It makes no sense. It is too easy of a conclusion to jump to, and if you read Pikachu, you KNOW how hot and heavy I was to lynch Chuck. If her role said she could have done it to a TEAMMATE I would be waving the pichfork harder and heavier than anyone else. But she couldn't, and I see no benefit to her using it on a baddie from another team randomly.

And besides, Nutella hoard her assets, she is not one to just use it or lose it. There is no strategic value for her in faux revealing Chuck unless she knew she was going to die.

You keep taking for granted that Nutella's team knew Speedchuck's alignment.

I don't know where you are taking that from.

For all we know, they thought he was a civ and tried to frame him. Or at the very least, they gambled on the high possibility he was a civ.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:08 am So we have killed 17/46 lives so far, a ratio of 37%

This will be a long game.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:49 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:37 am What is the reason for voting Boomslang? What team do you think he's on, and what do you make of Marmot's aggression toward him?

I'm not voting Boomslang.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:22 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:01 pm Alrighty, finally caught up.

Firstly, can someone tell me what the fuck "Bidoof" means?

Secondly, reading through the whole Speedchuck thing feels like randomly tuning into some later season of a heavily-serialized TV show, and trying to mentally fill in the gaps. Unfortunately, despite S~V~S being super duper earnest, I have to side with the dull, boring, rational, Occam's-Razor-y DH and DDL on this one. He's probably where my vote's going tomorrow.

Thirdly, Scotty. @S~V~S, you were pretty sus of him due to all the Day 5 shenanigans. Here's my perspective. Scotty, JoH, and Sloonei were all desperately pushing towards lynches at any costs at this point in the game, which was tricky due to having no real flips or info to go off of. Their solution seemed to essentially be playing spin-the-bottle with whoever either disagreed with them or hadn't posted in a while. Boomslang, who is my current top civ read, disagreed with them, and has been relentlessly pursued because of it.

Sloonei and Scotty had a case against me, which they themselves admitted was BS. Nevertheless due to a mixture of apathy and inertia, I began picking up votes. I wrote up a case against sig, which was based on actual, y'know, stuff, and that managed to shift their attention.

At the time, I was nervous that a scummeister could be using the pressure towards a lynch with more voters than Pikachu's to frame civilians.

The fact that this push to beat Pikachu's numbers happened at the same time as LC was about to be lynched over there, well, it don't look great.

Out of the three (relatively) hyper-active players pushing towards a lynch, Scotty's the one that looks the worst to me. JoH is dead, and Sloonei has seemingly calmed down a hell of a lot when the button got pressed. Scotty's the one who first made the switch when I protested against my lynch and offered an "easier" alternative.

This is all not to imply that I don't still suspect sig. As I said over at NuCerberus:

Like Quin said, there's a pretty decent chance that in a game this size that's this convoluted, (I know, I'm one to talk) there are multiple baddie teams. Even if sig's "wagon" was bolstered by an attempt to save LC's bacon, that doesn't discount any of my suspicions of him. Plus, sig had an extra life at that time, and I could see a baddie team not really minding bussing a member with two lives to try and save someone else.

Fourthy, Wilgy. I don't think Wilgy is bad. I think Daisy's meta case against him is hollow and kinda judgmental. I don't like Scotty and company latching onto him as an easy target due to his inactivity. The fact that vote after vote has been cast at him today makes me pretty sure we aren't gonna get anything out of his lynch. But, as S~V~S said, the dude's super-busy, and can't be replaced anytime soon. That's enough for me to sigh and add my twig to the Wilgy bonfire. Plus, I'd be super pissed if Boomslang got lynched today.

[VOTE: WILGY] aubergine

I’ve made many references to Bidoof after we learned the other tribe was named Pikachu, if you were reading along.

I don’t have time to answer to this right now, but first and foremost-

How the hell is Boomslang one of your TOP civ reads? Like, what has given you that indication because I’m dumbfounded how he is the Abraham Lincoln to, say, Sloonei’s Calvin Coolidge. It just isn’t a thing. Those roles should be reversed.

Anyway, off to work. I’m not liking your entrance and it’s not because you’re suspicious of me

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:21 pm Marmot would have been the player marked for death. But wilgy never pulled the trigger.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:44 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:21 pm Marmot would have been the player marked for death. But wilgy never pulled the trigger.

Were it anybody else, I would have said, "But he would have known not to respond blah blah blah."

Marmot and Wilgy are two guys who like doing bizarre things to amuse themselves.

The allegation is that wilgy is an even while marmot was strexcorp, so they wouldn't be teammates anyway. I forgot about that when I was ponderin'.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:56 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:44 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:21 pm Marmot would have been the player marked for death. But wilgy never pulled the trigger.

Were it anybody else, I would have said, "But he would have known not to respond blah blah blah."

Marmot and Wilgy are two guys who like doing bizarre things to amuse themselves.

The allegation is that wilgy is an even while marmot was strexcorp, so they wouldn't be teammates anyway. I forgot about that when I was ponderin'.

My thinking is this:

If that was a civilian role, I would be less likely to cap its kill potential given how many lives are in existence. There is a condition that has to be met before a kill can even be carried out.

If that was a mafia role, the mafia already have a regular kill at their disposal, so capping the potential body count at one makes a lot of sense.

so does this make wilgy look worse or better in your eyes?