The Syndicate

Look! A game! I’m the most vanilla civvie that ever civved.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:52 pm G-man’s chocolate.

LOL

Los Angeles and New Orleans are far from vanilla cities. Philly fans are insane, so it’s out too. Bah-stin fans ahh ahhbnaahkshus after all their winning, so no to them. Texas in general has an unhealthy obsession with football at all levels. That leaves Kansas City and Indianapolis.

Kansas City at least knows how to barbecue. What’s Indy got? Mike Pence, auto racing, pharmaceutical companies, and Andrew “Stinkin’ Awesome” Luck. Yep, that takes it right there.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:51 pm Oh I forgot the superbowl is a thing coming up in a few weeks huh? I'm more of a hockey fan so idk. I'll just have to pick something haha.

Love finding other hockey fans. Who’s your team? NHL, AHL, international?

I’m surprised no one else checked in during the overnight hours. I’m used to waking up to a page or more to take in over breakfast. It’s still only Day 0 though, so this is not a big deal.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:06 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:17 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:30 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:51 pm Oh I forgot the superbowl is a thing coming up in a few weeks huh? I'm more of a hockey fan so idk. I'll just have to pick something haha.

Love finding other hockey fans. Who’s your team? NHL, AHL, international?

I’m surprised no one else checked in during the overnight hours. I’m used to waking up to a page or more to take in over breakfast. It’s still only Day 0 though, so this is not a big deal.

Hey cool I actually usually end up going to more local games. I live in New York state so I go to a lot of different games around the state. I'm also a big wrestling fan if anyone is into that.

And yeah I was surprised at how little posts there were. Usually it's hard to catch up on everything.

so to answer your question they're usually AHL teams I go see. Going to one this weekend fun fun!

Lots of love for the AHL here! I live less than an hour from Hershey, PA. The Bears’ arena is amazing.

Lame. A full quarter of the player list hasn’t checked in yet. Thank goodness for 48-hour days.

Laugh it up, fuzzball. It at least gives us more time to reflect on things, rather than living in the perpetual madness of a 24/24 setup. There will always be crazy EOD shenanigans but 48 hours gives us a longer buffer between the cray-cray. I need less cray-cray in my life. I’ll use the extra time wisely even if others don’t.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:25 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:20 pm I just drove straight through from Waco Texas to Cincinnati. I’m tired. I can’t look at the game until tomorrow, I apologize guys.

Lucky for you, literally nothing has happened yet.

lit·er·al·ly
/ˈlidərəlē,ˈlitrəlē/
adverb
in a literal manner or sense; exactly.
"the driver took it literally when asked to go straight across the traffic circle"
synonyms: verbatim, word for word, line for line, letter for letter, to the letter
INFORMAL
used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true.
"I was literally blown away by the response I got"


You’re either using the informal sense of the word or you’re lying. Either way, not a good look.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:36 pm [VOTE: g-man] aubergine That is bullshit and you know it

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:05 pm Mister "I-read-the-entire-dictionary" over here calling someone out for using a sense of a word that is literally in the dictionary. How much faker can it get??

LOL, I was busting his balls after all the over-analyzing he did at the beginning of A World Asunder. I was fishing for a reaction out of Sloonei but you gave me something even better to analyze.

So, would baddie nutella:

A) try to capitalize on the first person to throw shade for flimsy reasons in an attempt to start an early mislynch train?

B) attempt to buddy an oftentimes supertown Sloonei to get in his good graces while also setting him up to look bad if she were to flip mafia based on her swift rush to defend him?

C) both A and B?


Would civvie nutella:

A) be prone to such a swift overreaction to a fishing attempt (that didn’t even result in a vote) based on her background in linguistics?

B) have a cooler, more level-headed approach to Day 1?

Lest I be accused of unfairness, let’s add an option D under the baddie nutella options:

D) have a cooler, more level-headed approach to Day 1?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:54 pm
Number three: I'm voting for JaggedJimmyJay.

Let us know why, when you have time. I’m going to cook dinner and take stock of everything after the kids are in bed. You know, because we have that wonderful extra 24 hours to utilize.

Looks like a fair portion of last night’s discussion should have literally been in Off-Topic Green.

Though I must say that it was a fantastic read. Coincidentally (because using ‘ironically’ would be inappropriate), my wife’s school district has this One District, One Book program going, where all the elementary schools read the same book. Right now, they’re reading Frindle, in which a smart aleck kid rebels against his strict, dictionary-loving English Language Arts teacher by creating a new word for ‘pen’ and getting his classmates to go along with it despite the protestations of said teacher.

I’ll take stock in what the thread has produced and get back to you this afternoon. Anyone have a player list with ISO links? I can’t/don’t know how to generate one while phone posting.

Listed in alphabetical order, these are the people I haven’t seen any reason to trust yet:

-JaggedJimmyJay
-MafiaMenace
-Nutella
-Spacedaisy
-Waywardson

In a game of 12 players, is a list of five in whom you have no trust yet a bad thing?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:17 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:11 pm Listed in alphabetical order, these are the people I haven’t seen any reason to trust yet:

-JaggedJimmyJay
-MafiaMenace
-Nutella
-Spacedaisy
-Waywardson

In a game of 12 players, is a list of five in whom you have no trust yet a bad thing?

Why isn't eloh on this list?

[VOTE: eloh] aubergine She ain't tryin. Complains about being suspected and about the thread having little content but does nothing to address either of these issues.

Little old me seems to recall more of an over-eager Eloh baddie tell. I don’t pick any of that up so far this game. She may have adjusted her approach to the game. We all do at times. In the absence of what I’ve seen as a baddie tell in the past, I at least extend a neutral +1 to her.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:20 pm What is a "neutral +1"?


I don't know about specific tells when it comes to eloh but I am often wrong about her so idk.

Like it reads- she’s just a hair to the positive of neutral. The other players not on my list are in the same boat or better. The five I listed are on the negative side of neutral.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:27 pm G, what has that particular quintet on your naughty list?

Listing those five with more clarity this time:

-MafiaMenace & Spacedaisy haven’t had time in 72 hours to participate much. I get real life and all, but in a game this small, we can’t afford the no-show routine for very long at all. Neutral -1 for now.

-WaywardSon has 8 posts of fluff that don’t even attempt to engage the actual game element. Uncomfortable.

-JJJ warned us that he wouldn’t be around much but, even taking that into consideration, his content is meh. One cage-rattling line against sprityo and a weak, ivory-toweresque assessment of Eloh followed by a vote. The post and vote on Eloh looks contrived to me. As if he manufactured a Jay-esque enough of a reason to cast a vote far ahead enough of the deadline. Artificial vanilla?

-Nutella for reasons already stated. She went hard for low-hanging fruit in both me and now Eloh.

Looks like we need some drama.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:18 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:53 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:08 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:56 am sprityo is good.

Elohcin is bad. Her most recent post is a token "look involved" post. Asking the guy who merely checked in what his thoughts are is futile. [VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

I thought her tagging onto G's post about me was rather unoriginal as well, but then she tends to be prejudiced against me.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

That's why we hear your music in fast forward
cuz we don't wanna hear that weak shit no mo!

Not sure I understand your reason for voting Jay here.

@G-Man when and why did you vote for Jay?

Look up the why. The when was after my previous post.

Looking back at his ISO, I don’t see enough shady talk join the Sloonei train. I also don’t see enough to warrant joining the Eloh train.

Does anyone else share my level of mistrust toward Nutella?

Lovely host, [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention], what happens in the event of a tie? The OP and the rest of your ISO fail to expound upon the ramifications of such a scenario.

reywaS wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:40 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:32 pm Looking back at his ISO, I don’t see enough shady talk join the Sloonei train. I also don’t see enough to warrant joining the Eloh train.

Does anyone else share my level of mistrust toward Nutella?

Let’s move our votes then?

Or would you prefer to stay parked on Jay?

Leaving right after the deadline to watch a 97-year-old horror film. Are we pulling any late-phase shenanigans or can I get a head start on my movie?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:03 pm
Ties are decided randomly.

Lame, but we’ll live. Well, 11 of us will at least.

Let them both live to die another day.

Lousy result. Not a good look.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:25 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:21 pm A civilian who couldn't even be bothered to vote to save her own ass got lynched.

What did you make happen?

My survival. I also anticipated movement from nutella and G-man in response to my vote since they’d been sitting around looking confused for a while. But there apparently wasn’t enough time.

Lame as Tom Brady’s haircut. You changed your vote with a minute left before the deadline. You didn’t even give us time for movement in response to your vote and you knew it. Anyone who does that with a minute left knows exactly what they’re doing- saving their skin in the snakiest of ways.

I wasn’t looking confused. Nobody was. Don’t make it off like we don’t know what to do without Sir Sloonei here to hold our hands and ‘make things happen.’ Your game sucks right now, and the more you post garbage reasoning like that only makes me more inclined to vote for you tomorrow.

Do me a favor and don’t flinch next time. Take your chances on the tie-breaker rather than relying on the Tuck Rule.

Looking through the ISO list in alphabetical order. I see literally nothing in Epi’s ISO that makes me want to vote for him Day 2. I am liable to getting snookered by him though, so I’ll make this game a case study in reading him.

Little to read in Jay’s ISO. I’d like him to explain his switch from “sprityo is bad” to “sprityo is good.”

I called out his low-quality post that served as his justification for an Eloh vote before the deadline and it still reads like sloppy work. I see no reason to trust him yet.

Looks like we need to fix MafiaMenace’s ISO link in the OP. Otherwise I won’t be able to read him until I can sit down at a computer.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:56 pm http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... afiaMenace

Lovely. Thank you very much!

Lots of culture clash and a sprinkling of excuses through the first half of MafiaMenace’s ISO. Then he gets hung up on the semantics of trustworthiness. His big-dog attitude reminds me of the aggressive nature that others came to this site with when wandering into our bohemian culture from site’s more akin to players strutting around like young bucks. The more he produces game-relevant content, the better I’ll get a feel for him. For now though his ISO leaves him as a tough egg to crack.

Lynching Nutella tomorrow is still on the table for me. Her ISO paints a better picture than some of her individual posts. I’ll let that soak for the rest of the day and see what else happens. Here’s what sits ill with me:

-She overreacted to my literal/not-a-good-look post at Sloonei in a big way. Had she claimed her vote on me was a form of reaction fishing, I might have believed her. Rather, she seemed to go all in, as if she sensed opportunity.

-Asking for the stats on sprityo being bad based on self-voting is also opportunistic. It provides and easy way in or out of working a sprityo train into the mix. It’s not original thought. That kind of data is arbitrary anyway. Nothing ever came of it but it still smells of opportunism.

-After Jay voted for Eloh, Nutella echoed his poor reasonings, thereby generating what appears to be justification for a later Eloh vote.

-Sure enough, Nutella goes back to the low-hanging fruit and votes for Eloh. A sloppy vote built on a foundation of sand.

-She even says she is often wrong about Eloh, preemptively excusing her role in a mislynch.

Look, I get why some may be skeptical of reywaS. What he’s doing is weird and cumbersome to understand at times, which makes it borderline unhelpful in a game this small.

The thing is, though, that I lived this. One of my first games here I posted only in pictures. Granted, I had a reason for it, but I did it as a civvie. There’s no reason to do this kind of thing as a baddie, because, once you do, you can never expect to receive the benefit of the doubt ever again.

While inferring meaning from his posts is difficult, I can find it in some. He disliked Jay’s vote for Eloh and threw shade at Nutella for doing the same.

He’s not a strong civvie read, but as long as he can inject meaningful commentary on the game through his gimmick, he’s not an outright liability. I realize that “I did this sort of thing once and he seems to agree with me on a few player reads” sounds like weaksauce justification for even a low-degree civvie read, but that’s my reality.

Leniency for low-posting/soft-posting is in short supply this game. The numbers do not provide us with a helpful margin of error.

Sabie eluded me in A World Asunder and she does now too. She’s new to me and her soft spoken style makes her hard to read. Of her nine posts, four are Day 0 fluff and two are Day 1 fluff. That leaves her with three posts to chew one.

One is asking sprityo a question that maybe I need the context to understand better. She offers thoughts on five or six players at the most, much of her comments sound a little on-the-fence. Between her last two posts, she arrives at some soft curiosity of reywaS. We’ll see if and how that builds from here.

Until she starts taking some firmer stances, she’s neutral. Time is short though, and as I said- leniency is (or should be) in short supply.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:26 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:12 pm nutella is a bit iffy rn

neutral -1 i think you guys call it

G-Man says one thing one time and it's a thing now.

LOL, I got a kick out of that too.

Taking an ISO break to charge my phone and watch some football.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:20 pm i ain't gonna be here for no deadline and it seems we're not consolidating any votes. i'm having a panic attack.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Other than that, Sloonei reads only slightly below what I remember as his average style of play. Day 0 was. Was your vote for sprityo a genuine a-ha vote out of the gate or was it a get-back-in-here-mister kind of thing? He circled back later, suggesting sprityo was the only player who had done anything worth discussing. Could be opportunistic or it could be a result of his definitions for the game. He leans more toward treating mafia as a science than I think I do.

He lurked and saved his own skin. Why? What made Eloh look worse and more deserving of death than Jay? He also had two votes at the time. He tried to back into a justification later but I’d like him to read both of them again and explain why Eloh and why not Jay.

His Night 1 has left a sour taste in my mouth. He was a little condescending and he generated a fair amount of white noise by clashing with Epi like they sometimes do.

Liabilities will drag us down as the margin of error shrinks. Spacedaisy has one no-time-today-catch-y’all-later post to her credit. We’ve got some reads floating around but how long does her absence continue before it becomes a problem in each of our minds?

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:24 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:14 pm Liabilities will drag us down as the margin of error shrinks. Spacedaisy has one no-time-today-catch-y’all-later post to her credit. We’ve got some reads floating around but how long does her absence continue before it becomes a problem in each of our minds?

if youre suggesting to pl daisy, those never work

Leave your Jump To Conclusions mat in storage. There’s plenty of fresh meat to consider. I’ve been around the block enough times to know about the success rate of policy lynches.

What I mean is, at what point do think her absence becomes a detriment to our cause? This is a numbers game and the numbers are small from the start in Heists.

Looking forward to that vote analysis you promised in post #257 [mention]sprityo[/mention]. Until then, your ISO is a tad underwhelming. I don’t think I’ve played many games with you yet. Your tone surprised me.

Little to nothing to glean from WaywardSon besides the fact that he’s new here.

Listing you all becauses lists:

Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-Epignosis
-reywaS
-Sloonei


Neutral/As Of Yet Undetermined Status:
-MafiaMenace
-Sabie
-Spacedaisy
-sprityo
-WaywardSon


Bad Juju Vibes:
-JaggedJimmyJay
-Nutella


The further we get into this game, the more I will try to force those in the middle group into the upper or lower group in my mind. Please show up/participate/give me something tangible that sorts you for me or you might not like where my mind puts you. If/once that line is crossed my ears will be deaf to your protestations.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:23 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:22 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:18 pm Listing you all becauses lists:

Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-reywaS

what

ebwop

Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:51 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:18 pm If/once that line is crossed my ears will be deaf to your protestations.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:48 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:46 pm right now im townreading epi, but both epi and nutella created the whole "literally" debate

so i would like to say there can only be one scum in {nutella, epi}
if nutella flips civi then the next one from there would be epi

so you've already decided to lynch me tomorrow? I'd love to convince you otherwise

ive learned to stick with my guns
lots of shit happens when i dont

and many, many times ive let scum out of my grasps a minute too early

Lol whatever works for you guys but I find that changing my mind frequently leads to more success

Lurching my statement way out of context much? I wasn’t talking about being closed-minded. I was saying that, if people don’t produce sufficient content for me to generate a read on, then I’m going to force a read out of what little they produce and I won’t care if they don’t like where that leads. Big difference.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:03 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:55 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:53 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:48 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:44 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:25 pm

Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.

that makes a lot of sense
i wasnt ever scumreading him
i just had no reason to read him in either direction

so now i know

mmmmmm I don't like this

ew with the shade
its funny how immediately after you make a post about me already deciding to push your hang tomorrow, you come back with this
a post that could pivot shit onto me

Yeah I'm really clever huh.

Here's the thing and you can take it to the bank: I don't omgus. Ever. If I find something suspicious I say as much. I don't suspect people for suspecting me. That's bullshit.

where did i say that shit?
thats shade, simple as, and convenient as fuck too

that isnt omgus, thats desperation to not get lynched when the time comes

Well I do tend to try desperately not to get lynched.

Learning to overcome that visceral instinct has done wonders for my approach to the game of mafia. Getting desperate just makes one look worse in the end anyway.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:05 pm

Night 1 has ended.

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Sabie12 has died. She was Blue Moon, a vanilla civilian.

It is now Day 2. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

Look- I dig Sinatra but nobody can beat The Marcel's version:


RIP Sabie. Welp, that removes one name from my middle group.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:17 pm
read the last line dipshit

Lighten up there, hoss. Name-calling to that degree isn't typically part of our culture here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:42 pm

WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:41 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:34 pm Seriously though WaywardSon is a glowing red beacon of mafia. The posts are ugly. Y’all can read them and figure it out.

lol Are you considered good at this game? Just wondering.

lol

LOL indeed.

Let me ask each of you a question:

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]- I understand your grievances against Sloonei. Thinking beyond Sloonei, do you have any inklings yet as to who he, if bad, is in league with?

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]- What is the justification for you change in opinion about sprityo? ‘Because behavior’ is not a sufficient enough answer. Please give me something tangible.

[mention]MafiaMenace[/mention]- You have experience playing with/against WaywardSon. How does his game read to you so far?

[mention]nutella[/mention]- Think beyond WaywardSon. Who is he in league with and why?

[mention]reywaS[/mention]- Are you buying what Jay is selling?

[mention]sloonei[/mention]- On Day 1, both Eloh and Jay had two votes along with you. You voted for Eloh. You’ve tried to explain your vote for Eloh. I’d like you to explain to us why your mind wasn’t swayed to vote for Jay. What about his posts made him worth keeping around over Eloh?

[mention]SpaceDaisy[/mention]- Where the heck are you? Have you forgotten about us?

[mention]sprityo[/mention]- You mad, bro?

[mention]WaywardSon[/mention]- You have experience playing with/against MafiaMenace. How does his game read to you so far?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:53 pm Then of course we have everyone who isn’t participating. I’m sure there’s one person who didn’t vote yesterday that is scum

Looking at yesterday’s no-votes, that list includes:

Elohcin
MafiaMenace
Spacedaisy
WaywardSon

What do you think of each of them?

WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:28 pm

reywaS wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:03 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:01 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm meta is garbage

Some people on this site agree with you. Some don't. A lot of us use our past knowledge of each other's play to inform our reads, but it's never 100% of the reasoning for suspecting or townreading someone. It's just another tool at our disposal to supplement the current game's content. It may cloud judgment a little sometimes but we don't rely on it exclusively.

50 told me, go ahead and switch ya style up, and if they hate then let em hate and watch the money pile up.

ISO. What the f*** was that?
Memes. That's it. Kanye sucks so he probably should go in the PoE just for that. But there's nothing to go on here.

Listen, Wayward. I’m really happy for you. I’ma let you finish but reywaS is playing one of the best games of all time! One of the best games of all time!