The Syndicate

Hello, All. It’s been a very long time since my last game here - seems that way at least but it’s a pleasure for me to be here once again

And ESPECIALLY to be playing with Master Sloonei once more

@Creature: You’re new? I don’t believe that I’ve had the pleasure? A very warm welcome to you!

Jay said in his Day 1 training presentation to throw votes around with gay abandon so here you go...

Epi, you’re it! Go!

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:45 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:25 pm Jay said in his Day 1 training presentation to throw votes around with gay abandon so here you go...

Epi, you’re it! Go!
Huh? I don't understand your post.

Gay abandon?

Jay’s Day 1: A strategic review of Civilian Mafia please refer #66. He says that on Day 1, that it is critical that Civilians post and vote prolifically. This is a completely new approach for me but he is far more accomplished player than I (whom I respect enormously) and I am but a humble apprentice - happy to play around ineptly trying to learn at the Master’s feet...

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:45 pm Also your avatar image is broken

No, it isn’t. I’ve become an iconoclast and choose not to have one as a protest against blind conformity

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:07 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:37 pm Hello, All. It’s been a very long time since my last game here - seems that way at least but it’s a pleasure for me to be here once again And ESPECIALLY to be playing with Master Sloonei once more
What are your first impressions of this game, Mr Glorf?

I’m pleased you asked, my friend! It seems a rather slow start (which probably means very little). As I remarked earlier, I’m doing different stuff this game. Yes, I appreciate that I will fumble around and appear somewhat clumsy and awkward but I trust that everyone here might at least attempt to see that through the lens of someone working to master their craft.

As far as the game goes, Jay recommends throwing my vote around - so I threw it at Epi to see how he and everyone would react. I do find his response perplexing. He totally brushed it off (which is perfectly fine because he too, is a highly competent player likely familiar with what I’m doing) but from past experience of him, I think I’d have expected something more umm, confronting/condescending/sarcastic? Then again, it’s been a long time and we’ve probably both mellowed some since then. Other than that, there’s not that much to go on... Creature seems a little disoriented. TonyStark seems very helpful. Long Con seems his OK, coming at me for reasons that are part silly (me not having an avatar) and part ill-informed (which given my subsequent post explaining my approach to this game he should now not be).

Did you have any observations to make yourself, Master Sloonei?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:34 am Creature, LC and Glorfindel are civvies here in 850/1000 universes. Town core building underway.

Intriguing: a solid example of one of the principal tenants of Jay’s Day 1 Mafia guide. I think I may be starting to warm to this...

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:44 am Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

I ‘seem’ to be making an effort to follow Jay’s guide on how to Town? You aren’t certain of that when I’ve made it crystal clear for everyone to see that that is PRECISELY what I’m doing this game? Interesting

Might be time to move my vote...

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:25 am
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:23 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:34 am Creature, LC and Glorfindel are civvies here in 850/1000 universes. Town core building underway.
Intriguing: a solid example of one of the principal tenants of Jay’s Day 1 Mafia guide. I think I may be starting to warm to this...
can you link me this mafia guide
Is it a real thing

Bottom left of post #66 - knock yourself out

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:25 am Also I don’t like gambling it scares me.

I hear you, my friend but isn’t life a gamble? Every breath you take is a roll of the dice. You can’t know from one minute to the next how things will play out. Sure, you can live under the illusion that you have things under control but do you REALLY? I don’t mean to come off as anyway depressive - I’m just pointing out there’s no need to fear something that is a reality for all of us, all the time.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:31 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:51 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:45 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:25 pm Jay said in his Day 1 training presentation to throw votes around with gay abandon so here you go...

Epi, you’re it! Go!
Huh? I don't understand your post.

Gay abandon?
It means without much care
Why stop at gay?

Do it with gay AND reckless abandon

I understood that both adjectives had very similar meanings in that context? It’s been a long time, Sprityo. How have you been? Any thoughts on the significant posters so far?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:04 am
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:30 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:25 am
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:23 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:34 am Creature, LC and Glorfindel are civvies here in 850/1000 universes. Town core building underway.
Intriguing: a solid example of one of the principal tenants of Jay’s Day 1 Mafia guide. I think I may be starting to warm to this...
can you link me this mafia guide
Is it a real thing
Bottom left of post #66 - knock yourself out
Found it but more importantly

You play without an avatar but with signatures on?

Sorry, not following you here my friend?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:20 am Epignosis Pip-Boy 2000:

[Holodisk retrieved]

Civilian sabie:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... sf=msgonly

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm How did I not answer why I thought it was weird? Kyle is all over the place being like I'm not gonna read anything and then explaining what the rule is then accusing creature out of nowhere who had assumed they knew them from some other site. It's a strange interaction. What response are you looking for?
I think either one of them could be bad because they're both acting weird but I'm really not familiar with either of them or their play style. Mac has been uncharacteristically quiet this game.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:06 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:01 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm I think either one of them could be bad
We're both town
See that's a weird thing to say unless you're townie teammates or something how would you know you're both town? Unless you're both bad and kyle is distancing from you.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:24 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:18 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:15 pm I hope sabie12 doesn't genuinely think I claimed info that Kyle is town.
I don't think she is. But her facepalm-inducing reaction came off as someone trying to make a whole lot out of nothing. Same with Sokoth tbh.
No I just thought it was a weird way of saying things. Saying we're both town. Idk maybe that's what people say to say I have a town read on someone while also defending yourself and I've just never seen that before.

I'm willing to vote creature or indiglo.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:45 pm I'm willing to vote creature because I find him to be sketchy with his playstyle and fluffy opening posts. The weird wording of things and claiming to know kyle. Just thought the whole interaction was weird. I explained why I thought it was weird but apparently that wasnt good enough.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:52 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:44 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm How did I not answer why I thought it was weird? Kyle is all over the place being like I'm not gonna read anything and then explaining what the rule is then accusing creature out of nowhere who had assumed they knew them from some other site. It's a strange interaction. What response are you looking for?
I think either one of them could be bad because they're both acting weird but I'm really not familiar with either of them or their play style. Mac has been uncharacteristically quiet this game.
sabie, you say you think either of them could be bad because they are both acting strange but then go on to say you're not familiar with either of them or their play style. I just don't understand that at all. Strange as compared to what? Also, I would think you would know by now but maybe you've missed it, Mac is from the other side of the world and is asleep during the day when we are all posting. He's always quiet during the day, it's not uncharacteristic.

linki

I wasn't accusing mac just saying he usually posts more in general that's all. I know hes in a different time zone.

I just meant I thought the interaction and wording of things was weird but I dont know if they're always like that. Like it seems weird to me but maybe that's just how they usually talk. Like how they don't know how I usually play and that I have a hard time coming up with a lot of reads initially.
Every time I try to I am judged very harshly saying I dont have good enough reasons or explanations when its day 1 and theres not a lot to go on.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:04 pm Those of you that know me know how disheartening this is for me for this to happen to me again. I try so hard to participate and throw out ideas and get better and people just shut me down.
[Holodisk retrieved]

Mafia sabie:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... sf=msgonly

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:21 am I can see both sides of the argument on gth reads. I always end up not being around when they happen so I always miss it. This early I kinda struggle to have any good reads on anyone so it's hard to decide that quickly. At the same time I also get slooneis point that it gets a conversation going and moves things in a direction. From what I've seen slooneis usual goal is to try to post a lot and get people talking in the beginning of the game.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:34 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:21 am I can see both sides of the argument on gth reads. I always end up not being around when they happen so I always miss it. This early I kinda struggle to have any good reads on anyone so it's hard to decide that quickly. At the same time I also get slooneis point that it gets a conversation going and moves things in a direction. From what I've seen slooneis usual goal is to try to post a lot and get people talking in the beginning of the game.
Hey sabie. Let's start with the players you know best: what do you think of Epi, nutella, juliets, and me so far?
Well you are doing what you normally do in making long posts getting people talking asking questions etc which has a lot of times been town sloon. I feel like you and nutella have had a back and forth thing in some games before. She's usually kinda back and forth on things so I find her hard to read. Juliets is always so nice so shes hard to read too. Epi appears to be his usual self at the moment.
You left out some other people I usually play with. jack who I feel like is doing his usual town jack stuff at the moment where he posts a lot of random stuff. That time he was bad he was way more calm and reserved it seemed.
I always tend to think mac and speed are bad which is probably unfair of me.
The newer people I think are just kinda trying to work out how we play on this site.
Still dont feel like I have solid reads for sure about people but I'm trying to keep up with everything. This day 0 has been crazy.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:57 am Hey I was busy dying a horrible death in better off Ted mafia so now that that's over I'm back over here.
From the people who currently have votes wilgy is iffy because I remember leading an accidental mislynch on him on another game for acting how he is now. Drogomir idk them I'll have to read a bit more from them. Sloonei seems like normal town sloonei as of right now
Nutella is always kinda back and forth and I've seen her and sloonei go back and forth before like that but I dont think they were teammates.
Lux I can see where the suspicion came from there. The wording of their posts and that comment about the mafia teams was a little suspect.
Juliets I would have to read again as I don't recall what she's even said so far.
And now as I was typing sloonei changed the vote to ultra. Is that due to all that mechanics talk ik the beginning trying to get the cop role to out themselves?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:23 pm Out of the people currently with votes I think my suspicions are more towards lux.
Nutella is iffy and difficult to read because she is often pretty wishy washy as people said but I think right now I feel worse about lux.
I dont think cooler has really said much of anything and ultra idk I just figured they're new and trying to figure out how we do things.
I will take a look at some of the other people mentioned as well and reread lux iso.

Also I think I saw juliets you have been having a hard time I do hope you're okay!
I've had some stuff come up irl as well that has held me back from participating as much as I'd like to. My uncle unfortunately passed last week so I've had some family stuff going on.
Analysis: Mafia sabie is wordier in contrast to civilian sabie. Civilian sabie expresses firmer Day 1 opinions than Mafia sabie. Mafia sabie indulges in hedging language more frequently than civilian sabie.

Sample size: Small

Conclusion: 67% Fallout sabie is mafia sabie.

[End of Report]

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] In the second example you quoted above, Sabie made reference to JackofHearts. Can you please confirm his alignment in that game for me?

Sorry, that was meant to be spoilered

Spoiler: show

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:25 pm Glorfindel asked me for my thoughts. I didn't share them. I will share them now. Asking myself how everyone has looked in the early early stages of this game.

birdwithteeth - Mixed feelings so far. He's had a few casual posts and a few reads that look hasty and underwhelming (Glorfindel & lack of Sabie, but he has at least played with a notable direction in his game. I know what his thoughts are even if I can't say whether or not I believe them yet.

Creature - Looks good. Seems like he's trying to orient and assert himself in (relatively) new surroundings. He was my first town read and that status hasn't changed.

Epignosis - Epi's being shticky so far, but he's poking people with his shtick and wielding it as a weapon rather than a crutch. Tentatively looking good.

Glorfindel - He is being upfront that he's following a particular model of play for Day 1 here. That would be a bold approach for scum Glorf, especially in his first game back in some time. Nothing about the responses I've read from him sets off any red flags. Feeling moderately good.

Jack - Has done nothing. Jack being a goober, especially early on, hasn't ever been a reliable scum tell. But I wouldn't lean on it heavily as a town tell either. I'll default to a slight scum lean because Days are only 24 hours here and we need to pick up the pace.

Long Con - The king of the Short Post this game is Long Con. His early ISO is filled with one-liners. I don't know what that means. Perhaps he's just playing this game off the cuff, firing off thoughts as they come up to him. I feel mildly good about him his indifference toward my vote for him last night.

The Macster - Mac's posts from his Sabie vote on have looked good. Mac's got a fire under him and he's pursuing his convictions. In a thread that's been pretty listless, I am inclined to feel good about a player who tries to change that.

Sabie - I like the direction of mac's case on her. Sabie's one long post was a salad with a few too many shrugs. I feel like sabie gets suspected for this too much, but that concern doesn't absolve her of anything here. She produces a lot of words in this post without producing that many reads.

sprityo - This is the key post in sprit's ISO so far I think. He set himself up as a virtual town-clear on Day 2 in Arrowverse but that just farted around the rest of the game. He's vowed not to do that here, and is evidently making an effort in this post to be transparent about his reads. I like that, but the content he has provided so far is not nearly strong enough to earn a much-coveted Town Read From Sloonei. I wouldn't campaign for sprit's lynch, but I wouldn't exactly defend him right now either.

TonyStarkPrime - He was my second town read after Creature. I think I've maybe played once or twice with Iron Man? If not, I've at least seen him in games before. But much like Creature, he seemed like a player who was trying to orient himself in a relatively new setting early on. He offered us some reads and even a vote without being prompted to do so when the game was still getting off its feet and has only increased his pace as we've gone on. In a game as stagnant as this one so far, any genuine effort is a good look on Day 1.

Players I did not look at because they do not seem to have posted at all:
@ColinIsCool
@Dragomir
@Oreki

I seem to recall Dragomir had to drop out of two games simultaneously recently because of internet troubles? That could be problematic here. Colin's usually around though. I've never met Oreki. Any of these three players could have drawn any role card.

[VOTE: birdwithteeth] aubergine

@Sloonei: Thank you for that my friend. A masterful analysis of what is frankly breadcrumbs and I’d have expected nothing less.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:44 pm Civilian.

Mafia Sabie says in the post that Epi quoted above that she has a lot of experience with JackofHearts and that in that game she thought that he was Town on the basis that he was posting “lots of random stuff” and that when he’s Mafia, he is more “calm and reserved”. I find it interesting that she is making the same reference this game but framing* JackofHearts in the context of the paucity of his posts this game.

*I’ve not used this word in a way that suggests any deliberate attempt to mislead.

@sabie12: I’m sorry, I understand your position and I’d hate to mislynch you but please understand that there is no malice at all in my vote on you, I’m simply applying my best judgement to what I’ve read here. I’m open to being convinced otherwise and I would certainly be interested at this stage to hear more from you in respect of your suspicions of JackofHearts.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] Yes, lots! I agree with most of it to be honest. I don’t know that I’d be quite so keen to pronounce Creature as Town (I’m not saying that I think otherwise, I just don’t think his posts necessarily scream Town as you seem to suggest there). I also find myself contemplating more deeply the prospective alignments of birdwithteeth, Long Con and Sprityo. What really caught my attention though was your comment in respect of JackofHearts and particularly how it aligns to the comments made by Sabie12. I am working under an assumption that you my friend are firm Town for me. I know it’s early in the game but the fact that your view on him matches Sabie’s and that he’s been undeniably ‘thin’ in both the quantity and depths of his posts so far this game are prompting me to consider my vote with more care.

I think I have a problem here. Nearly every time I post, I’m being forced to log back into the site. There is a message in my browser saying that the site is ‘Not secure’. Should I be concerned? Because I am...

Thinking on this, I’m prompted to change my vote here. I think JackofHearts might really be a slightly better option than Sabie for now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:19 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:17 pm I think I have a problem here. Nearly every time I post, I’m being forced to log back into the site. There is a message in my browser saying that the site is ‘Not secure’. Should I be concerned? Because I am...
This happens on occasion. I wouldn't worry about the "not secure" message, though we'd love to resolve that issue. It's not uncommon, so it isn't a portent of any nasty viruses or anything. The log-in issue is sometimes an issue on mobile when a phone swaps between wi-fi and SMS. Are you using a phone?

Hi, Jay! No, I’m using an iPad - is that the same thing? I can tell you, it’s getting a trifle annoying!

I still have faith in my Sloonei read.

I think MacDougall is Town (because I doubt his ability to fake the level of indignance that he is displaying here).

I still harbour some suspicion of Sabie.

I am even less certain about Creature now than I was before EOD (and I’m having enormous trouble believing that he wasn’t when EOD was - it was the frankly the first thing I looked at when I came in the thread and I can’t see any Mafia player worth their salt not doing that).

I’m not going to Town read JackofHearts simply because he wasn’t here at EOD to self pres. I believe such a notion to be fanciful and non-conclusive.

Something about Colin is concerning me and I can’t quite put my finger on it. I think it may be a problem that I frequently have with him and is worthy of further investigation.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:52 am
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:14 pm @Sloonei Yes, lots! I agree with most of it to be honest. I don’t know that I’d be quite so keen to pronounce Creature as Town (I’m not saying that I think otherwise, I just don’t think his posts necessarily scream Town as you seem to suggest there). I also find myself contemplating more deeply the prospective alignments of birdwithteeth, Long Con and Sprityo. What really caught my attention though was your comment in respect of JackofHearts and particularly how it aligns to the comments made by Sabie12. I am working under an assumption that you my friend are firm Town for me. I know it’s early in the game but the fact that your view on him matches Sabie’s and that he’s been undeniably ‘thin’ in both the quantity and depths of his posts so far this game are prompting me to consider my vote with more care.
glorf gonna glorf
Someone else tell me what to think of this if you want but I love it. I think the golden haired elf is probably my fourth strongest town read.

What can I say, Tony? I am walking in the footsteps of the Master this game...

Also, if you’re Mafioso here, your most recent posts are deserving of an Academy Award!

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] Thank you for your updated reads list, my friend. I’ve read through your update and it seems mostly fine. I’ll admit, your rationale for Town reading JackofHearts is at odds to my ‘feel’ of his alignment but it makes sense to me. From my recollection, Oreki has but a single post. Is your read of him based on his absence or the fact that he promised input and more than 24 hours later has not delivered? Lastly, you have Epi as your second highest Townie. I’m not saying that I necessarily disagree with you but can you elaborate for me please about what he’s done to deserve such a lofty position on your reads list? Thanks

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:01 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:43 pm This became boring too soon.
Day 1 creature: I don’t like this too boring
Day 2 creature: I don’t like this it got boring

Well, I for one am prepared to make this interesting for him...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:02 pm Nobody wants to discuss the elephant in the room?

I don’t have any strong recollection of Sabie from the games that I may have played with her long ago. Do you really believe that she (as Mafia) would use real life as an excuse to avoid scrutiny here? I’ll confess, Epi’s post kinda put me off voting her. I can understand how someone who frequently gets mis-lynched early in these games feels. Personally, I’m in two minds about her. I get real life is getting in the way for her but I don’t really think the pace of this game is necessarily that bad... it would be nice to see a little more from her.

Oreki wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:16 pm Hello guys, I didn't realize that the game has started. I'll catch up and provide my reads

I would sincerely so love to hear more from this guy...

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:56 pm You know, if we keep being this discoordinated it's gonna be pretty easy for the supermutants to pick whatever wagon they want.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:56 pm and that's what is happening.

[mention]Creature[/mention]: You mean like last EoD when we had, what was it? A four way tie? Or are you suggesting that every wagon then was Town and our Mafia friends had no axe to grind either way?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:35 am I would recruit Sloonei every day of the week

No offence, Mac but your impact on the game so far has been undeniably considerable. Your presence has been pretty consistently frequent and your posts have been provocative. You’re making a lot of waves. That’d be just the kind of player any Mafia team would want to convert.

Anyway, let me ask you. Your vote is currently on Sabie. Come EoD, and it becomes a tie between Creature and Sloonei, what do you do? Take a stance on one of them (and if so, which one) or sit on your hands? I’m just curious.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:59 am Guys it’s good to be playing again. I’m glad we’ve gotten back into the part I remember where everyone starts throwing things at each other and I get very confused because everyone is both so town and so wolf. I’m not sure how much I’ll be able to play in the future but I’ll resolve to put in a game every so often. Thank y’all for making it enjoyable. Most of the time.

Okay I was gonna iso Colin but I’m tired so I’m not sure how far I’ll get.

Can I please get an explanation of the off-topic component of this post?

Spoiler: show

In defence of Sloonei, I’d like to quote this. I’d imagine Epi knows Sloonei’s Town and Mafia playstyles like the back of his hand. Unlike everyone else in this game, we can be certain of his alignment. If Epi has anointed Sloonei Town, that’s good enough for me.

When I went to bed about eight hours ago, Sloonei had three votes. Who moved?

And while I’m at it [mention]Creature[/mention] : I didn’t ‘votepark’ on you, as I indicated above, I’ve been asleep the past eight hours...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:54 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:52 pm When I went to bed about eight hours ago, Sloonei had three votes. Who moved?

And while I’m at it @Creature : I didn’t ‘votepark’ on you, as I indicated above, I’ve been asleep the past eight hours...
Sleeping is antitown.

Creature moved.

I can’t play Mafia games when I’m tired or hungry. I’ve now sorted the first and am addressing the second.

Interesting...

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:57 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:49 pm Epi being online is supposed to mean something?
Boo.

1. Ahh!
2. Who farted?

One of the more constructive remarks I’ve seen this game...

I don’t know that this is appropriate but I’m very disappointed in Sabie for this performance

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:25 pm ]
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:26 pm I don’t know that this is appropriate but I’m very disappointed in Sabie for this performance
my performance was terrible because my life is currently terrible. I was at work from 8 am to 9 PM today so I literally had no way of being here to participate last night I was at urgent care forever. I just can't do this so that's why I sucked if you must know

@s[mention]sabie12[/mention] I’m very sorry to hear that, my friend (and sorry for my remark - it was stupid and insensitive). I sincerely hope things get better soon and you can come back and play with us here again soon

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:02 am I’m 100% serious btw. He tried saving sabie and nestled her neatly into some green color but when it came down to it he performed the bus

Colin, seriously, do you REALLY believe that Sloonei could be THAT unsophisticated in his play here? Because I sure as hell don’t!

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:16 am Wild Wasteland tinfoil mode engaged. You are invited to come along

I’m not saying that your theory is beyond the realm of possibility but that’s one train I think I’ll refrain from jumping aboard for now, Colin. Realistically, it’s rather likely it will be a decision that will be taken out of my hands before very long.

Spoiler: show

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:42 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:44 am So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.

We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir

I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:58 pm I guess for me my suspicion is towards Jack and spirityo as when civ they usually are more aggressive in scum hunting and posting and this game they seem less so.

I'm sorry I'm not super familiar with glorfindel didnt mean any offense in the accusation just speculating on things. TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads.
I'm not suspecting either of them at this time.
I dont remember playing with either of them before so by saying I dont have a lot to go on I just meant I dont know their playstyle. They're probably doing better than I am at this point.

Mac has gotten me mislynched day 1 before but he was civ just had the wrong idea about me.
I'd like to take a closer look at sabie's first two mentions of Glorfindel. My initial response was that these combined for a very good look for Glorf. Sabie made a pretty big stretch to drop some shade on him in the first post, but then completely walked that back in the follow-up. My impression was that sabie thought glorf could be a good target to frame as a suspect, but that idea was met with backlash and she had to change course. In this scenario, Glorfindel would be a civilian bystander, and sabie's handling of him would be something like a slip. Her initial suspicion was phony and she couldn't back it up, so she hastily got rid of it.

I still feel like this is probably the case, but it's not the only possibility here. Maybe the initial post was meant as a distancing tactic between sabie and glorf. After sitting on it, sabie wasn't comfortable with the position she'd put herself in (or maybe Glorfindel disapproved), and that was what prompted the change of course.

Either way, I feel like this an important development in Sabie's posts. I'm not entirely sure what to make of it myself and want to hear what others have to say.

Well, my friend, if you want my opinion on this, I can assure you that your suspicion is unfounded. Talk with me. Ask me stuff. You know my reputation for telling the truth. I will not lie to you.

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:35 pm @Glorfindel if I have a specific concern that you can address regarding your own interactions with sabie, it's found in this post here:

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:14 pm @Sloonei Yes, lots! I agree with most of it to be honest. I don’t know that I’d be quite so keen to pronounce Creature as Town (I’m not saying that I think otherwise, I just don’t think his posts necessarily scream Town as you seem to suggest there). I also find myself contemplating more deeply the prospective alignments of birdwithteeth, Long Con and Sprityo. What really caught my attention though was your comment in respect of JackofHearts and particularly how it aligns to the comments made by Sabie12. I am working under an assumption that you my friend are firm Town for me. I know it’s early in the game but the fact that your view on him matches Sabie’s and that he’s been undeniably ‘thin’ in both the quantity and depths of his posts so far this game are prompting me to consider my vote with more care.
sabie and I may have observed the same characteristic in Jack's play, but my early stance was more favorable toward Jack than sabie's, which was unequivocally negative. I believe my final remark on him was that "goofy jack is usually town jack, but i want to see more from him anyway." You seem to have interpreted this as a confirmation of sabie's allegation that Jack being goofy = Jack being scum, which it was not.

So I guess my question(s) would be: why did you interpret my read and sabie's identically? What was your read on Jack on Days 1 & 2, and how does he look now?

I'd also like to ask about this question you had for Mac yesterday:
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:46 amNo offence, Mac but your impact on the game so far has been undeniably considerable. Your presence has been pretty consistently frequent and your posts have been provocative. You’re making a lot of waves. That’d be just the kind of player any Mafia team would want to convert.

Anyway, let me ask you. Your vote is currently on Sabie. Come EoD, and it becomes a tie between Creature and Sloonei, what do you do? Take a stance on one of them (and if so, which one) or sit on your hands? I’m just curious.
Why were you presenting a hypothetical scenario in which sabie was not in the running to be lynched? She was every bit as much of a suspect, if not more so, than myself for sure, and maybe Creature as well. Why did you frame this particular question at this time?

@Sloonei: I’m more than happy to address your concerns my friend.

1. Words are important and I fear that you have (presumably inadvertently) misrepresented my remarks in that post of mine that you quoted. I said that what caught my attention was how yours and Sabie’s comments on Jack aligned, not that they were identical. By this, I meant simply that you both clearly found something inherently suspicious in his play worthy of calling out publicly.

2. I bought into the suspicion on Sabie but openly admit that I bought into mot wanting to lynch her based on THAT post of Epi’s and her prestations about being an easy early game mislynch. Believing that my early suspicions of her were errant, I assumed that based on her comments about Jack and your comments about his play this game as sufficient reason to place my vote on him Day 1. I found (and still do) his posts to have an unusually high fluff content which is not what I recall having experienced from playing with him in the past. Yes, I’ll admit that Sabie flipping Mafia makes his Mafia alignment look a lot less likely but doesn’t necessarily rule it out entirely.

3. My question to Mac was (in part) a perhaps clumsy attempt at advancing the game (no, I’m not a player of Jay’s calibre and doubt that I ever will be but please give me credit for trying). Further, the scenario I presented to Mac was far from hypothetical. I think you’ll find that at the time I made that post, you and Creature were the joint lead wagons and the suspicions on Sabie had appeared to have gone cold (following Epi’s post, etc. etc...). I was concerned that our Mafia friends may have been attempting to build momentum to lynch you and wanted to feel Mac out to discern if he was likely to support what (at the time) was looking like a distinct possibility to me.

If I’ve failed to address your concerns, I’m happy to continue this conversation with you for however long it takes for you to see the truth. I’ve been honest in my response to you so I trust you will I understand that if I come off sounding either naive or clueless.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:52 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:42 pm Sloonei could you stop highlighting stuff in lime green? It doesn’t show well at all in my screen settings.
sorry. will make a note of it. i forget that not everyone's on the black background.

I have no problem with it. If you are planning on changing it, perhaps trial a few colours to confirm that they are acceptable to everyone. Perhaps then, we can all use the same colour for highlighting and make the game better for everyone?

EBWOP

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:35 pm @Glorfindel if I have a specific concern that you can address regarding your own interactions with sabie, it's found in this post here:

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:14 pm @Sloonei Yes, lots! I agree with most of it to be honest. I don’t know that I’d be quite so keen to pronounce Creature as Town (I’m not saying that I think otherwise, I just don’t think his posts necessarily scream Town as you seem to suggest there). I also find myself contemplating more deeply the prospective alignments of birdwithteeth, Long Con and Sprityo. What really caught my attention though was your comment in respect of JackofHearts and particularly how it aligns to the comments made by Sabie12. I am working under an assumption that you my friend are firm Town for me. I know it’s early in the game but the fact that your view on him matches Sabie’s and that he’s been undeniably ‘thin’ in both the quantity and depths of his posts so far this game are prompting me to consider my vote with more care.
sabie and I may have observed the same characteristic in Jack's play, but my early stance was more favorable toward Jack than sabie's, which was unequivocally negative. I believe my final remark on him was that "goofy jack is usually town jack, but i want to see more from him anyway." You seem to have interpreted this as a confirmation of sabie's allegation that Jack being goofy = Jack being scum, which it was not.

So I guess my question(s) would be: why did you interpret my read and sabie's identically? What was your read on Jack on Days 1 & 2, and how does he look now?

I'd also like to ask about this question you had for Mac yesterday:
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:46 amNo offence, Mac but your impact on the game so far has been undeniably considerable. Your presence has been pretty consistently frequent and your posts have been provocative. You’re making a lot of waves. That’d be just the kind of player any Mafia team would want to convert.

Anyway, let me ask you. Your vote is currently on Sabie. Come EoD, and it becomes a tie between Creature and Sloonei, what do you do? Take a stance on one of them (and if so, which one) or sit on your hands? I’m just curious.
Why were you presenting a hypothetical scenario in which sabie was not in the running to be lynched? She was every bit as much of a suspect, if not more so, than myself for sure, and maybe Creature as well. Why did you frame this particular question at this time?

@Sloonei: I’m more than happy to address your concerns my friend.

1. Words are important and I fear that you have (presumably inadvertently) misrepresented my remarks in that post of mine that you quoted. I said that what caught my attention was how yours and Sabie’s comments on Jack aligned, not that they were identical. By this, I meant simply that you both clearly found something inherently suspicious in his play worthy of calling out publicly.

2. I bought into the suspicion on Sabie but openly admit that I bought into not wanting to lynch her based on THAT post of Epi’s and her protestations about being an easy early game mislynch. Believing that my early suspicions of her were errant, I assumed that based on her comments about Jack and your comments about his play this game as sufficient reason to place my vote on him Day 1. I found (and still do) his posts to have an unusually high fluff content which is not what I recall having experienced from playing with him in the past when he was Town. Yes, I’ll admit that Sabie flipping Mafia makes his Mafia alignment look a lot less likely but doesn’t necessarily rule it out entirely.

3. My question to Mac was (in part) a perhaps clumsy attempt at advancing the game (no, I’m not a player of Jay’s calibre and doubt that I ever will be but please give me credit for trying). Further, the scenario I presented to Mac was far from hypothetical. I think you’ll find that at the time I made that post, you and Creature were the joint lead wagons and the suspicions on Sabie had appeared to have gone cold (following Epi’s post, etc. etc...). I was concerned that our Mafia friends may have been attempting to build momentum to lynch you and wanted to feel Mac out to discern if he was likely to support what (at the time) was looking like a distinct possibility to me.

If I’ve failed to address your concerns, I’m happy to continue this conversation with you for however long it takes for you to see the truth. I’ve been honest in my response to you so I trust you will I understand that if I come off sounding either naive or clueless.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:35 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:23 pm Sloonei: I’m more than happy to address your concerns my friend.

1. Words are important and I fear that you have (presumably inadvertently) misrepresented my remarks in that post of mine that you quoted. I said that what caught my attention was how yours and Sabie’s comments on Jack aligned, not that they were identical. By this, I meant simply that you both clearly found something inherently suspicious in his play worthy of calling out publicly.
My concern is that I did not intend to frame Jack's behavior as suspicion. What I meant in my original analysis of him was that his play aligns more closely with Town Jack, but that I wanted more from him in spite of this. I don't think it's damning by any means that you interpreted as suspicion in line with what sabie was saying, but it's something I've taken note of.

2. I bought into the suspicion on Sabie but openly admit that I bought into mot wanting to lynch her based on THAT post of Epi’s and her prestations about being an easy early game mislynch. Believing that my early suspicions of her were errant, I assumed that based on her comments about Jack and your comments about his play this game as sufficient reason to place my vote on him Day 1. I found (and still do) his posts to have an unusually high fluff content which is not what I recall having experienced from playing with him in the past. Yes, I’ll admit that Sabie flipping Mafia makes his Mafia alignment look a lot less likely but doesn’t necessarily rule it out entirely.

3. My question to Mac was (in part) a perhaps clumsy attempt at advancing the game (no, I’m not a player of Jay’s calibre and doubt that I ever will be but please give me credit for trying). Further, the scenario I presented to Mac was far from hypothetical. I think you’ll find that at the time I made that post, you and Creature were the joint lead wagons and the suspicions on Sabie had appeared to have gone cold (following Epi’s post, etc. etc...). I was concerned that our Mafia friends may have been attempting to build momentum to lynch you and wanted to feel Mac out to discern if he was likely to support what (at the time) was looking like a distinct possibility to me.

If I’ve failed to address your concerns, I’m happy to continue this conversation with you for however long it takes for you to see the truth. I’ve been honest in my response to you so I trust you will I understand that if I come off sounding either naive or clueless.
I object to none of this.

Who should we be looking at to begin this day?

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] I’m afraid that you’ve caught me at a somewhat awkward moment. I’m about to head into a funeral. Will address your question once it lets out.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:44 pm The poll is up, but the deadline is manual. See the poll question.

Dragomir has been killed by the host. He was IAN.

Whilst it’s absolutely tragic that we’ve lost another of our number, I think we can count ourselves a little lucky at not having to deal with the potentially unfortunate impacts of this role...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:16 pm sorry glorf, you have my condolences. this game doesn't matter

Thank you, my friend but the funeral was for the mother of someone that I’d worked with for rather a long time. Not emotionally shattering like my last funeral but sad nevertheless.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:08 pm Creature is talking like someone who was recruited imo.
And there it is.

Between you and Creature, I feel like I've seen a bigger change with Creature's behavior. So I would be more inclined to think he is the potential recruit over you.

Creature would (I think) be an odd choice as a recruit although the Mafia team wouldn’t have had anything to go on in terms of his play when they had to make their choice. Still, I think it’s unlikely. And I agree with you, I think you’ve been anything but useless since you’ve returned to us. I thought you’ve been most constructive in your comments and observations.

May I please have a copy of yesterday’s final lynching poll?

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[mention]Sloonei[/mention] Thank you

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] in answer to your question from earlier, it seems to me that the focus (for a large part of the game now) appears to have fallen on Sprityo and Creature and to a lesser extent on JackofHearts and ColinisCool. Of the four, I think I’m less concerned about Colin. From my understanding of Sabie’s role, she was reduced to the status of a goon after she enlisted her target N0. Given that she’d come under early suspicion (and kinda heavily at that) I’d expect that there is a distinct possibility that her partners may have planned prudently to jettison her if she’d become a liability and that they thought they could get some mileage from contributing to her lynching. If this were planned with her knowledge, I think it could have easily contributed to bussing and distancing from her.

For that reason and the fact that (to this point) I feel strong Town vibes from most everyone else, I’ll be looking for a Mafia or two out of either Creature, Sprityo and Jack.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:56 pm sabie was also a roleblocker.

She was? Sorry, missed that

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:26 am So hmmm

Creature and tsp switched from colin to sabie bear end of day

So for either of them to be mafia theyd have to want to buss their own role blocker which seems entirely wasteful and not likely

Unless, of course we were looking at dual Mafia wagons there. If Creature were ‘the Master’, surely that would explain a bus on Sabie?

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