The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:19 pm
Ian



As a former guard for the Crimson Caravan, you have a lot of experience traveling the wastes. You can be an invaluable asset and friend, but holy hell are you a terrible shot sometimes.

Each vote you place will be worth two, but the second vote may not necessarily end up where you intended. The first vote will always work correctly. The second vote will have a 35% chance of landing on the player for whom your intended vote voted for. For example: you vote for Player A, and Player A votes for Player B. Your first vote will surely land on Player A. Your second vote has a 65% chance of landing on Player A and a 35% chance of landing on Player B. The usage of this second vote is not optional, but it will not be in effect during any final elimination phase (wherein the results of a lynch may dictate which faction is declared the winner of the game).

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:41 am

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:12 am Not really liking how this game started

Tell me about your ideal game-start.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:23 pm I have at least two (2) town reads on this page.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:12 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:04 am Hey what’s up?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:53 am What are your thoughts on the game thus far?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:35 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:31 pm Sloonei can be maphier too.

Colin and sloonei w/w?

I didn't get that vibe when I looked at Colin's vote reasoning. Sheeping and buddying his own teammate?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:29 pm Since I don’t have any reads, I’ll just steal Epi’s.

Who’s this guy?

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:49 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:48 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:46 pm Is it player salad or is there a new null tell I'm unaware of?

You keep mentioning player salad and I have no idea why.

I'm still salty I got mislynched over this tell and that tell is still used as a credible tell.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:10 pm Okay we’ve got 40some hours here here are the avenues that I think we should be pursuing

Creature
Colin
Sabie
sprityo

As you’ll note I sorted them by the letters their names start with.

To these four — who’s mafia? Give me names.
As far as everyone else goes, out of these four who is the most likely to be town?
I don’t have much time tonight to talk but if anyone has ideas I’ll take em.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:25 pm Why are we all town reading Creature?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:02 pm Nobody wants to discuss the elephant in the room?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:49 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:25 pm Why are we all town reading Creature?

He’s outside of his wolf range.

Elaborate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:49 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:25 pm Why are we all town reading Creature?

He’s outside of his wolf range.

Elaborate

He is unable to post this much as a wolf. I know it's stupid. It's not hard at all to fake. He just can't do it.

This game has been chill as fuck outside of me raging. It's not a high pressure environment and it's not like he's made effort posts.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:00 pm

A message from Tandi

Night 1 Message:

This is Tandi 1000. Ha ha. I made that joke up all by myself. Look, I know people think I'm naive and useless, but I have things to say, and you should really listen to me! Here's a list of suitors who visited Shady Sands.

ColinisCool: I am not impressed by Colin. He bounced his vote around quite a bit during Day 1, following Epignosis at first, and then landing on birdwithteeth. Not impressed, no.
Creature: The arrogance is astounding. He needs to show what he demands of others. I'm not impressed so far. Lynch him if he doesn't perform.
Dragomir: He was allegedly taken by the Blades. We may not hear from him again.
Epignosis: He looks fine. I don't understand Long Con's vote on him. He'll have to answer for that.
Glorfindel: I met him once in Junktown. He bought me iguana-on-a-stick and showed me around. I like this fellow.
Jackofhearts2005: Who?
Long Con: His vote on Epignosis was not in keeping with what he said in the thread. I would like to see more attention on Long Con.
MacDougall: He's rocking and rolling. Keep an eye on him. For now, leave him alone.
Oreki: He was allegedly on a mercenary mission and got stranded. We may not hear from him again.
sabie12: No comment.
Sloonei: If Sloonei is bad, then what is doing? Let him keep doing his thing. If he's bad, he'll be obvious enough. If he's good, he's a great boon.
sprityo: Lynch him if you have nothing better to do.
TonyStarkPrime: Tony Stark is Prime. He's fine for now.

Regarding how things went down Day 1, I want MacDougall to calm down. He's been bad at judging sabie, and I want him to think on that before he kills her again. He may be right. But think on it. Don't yell at people. He's solid, and if he's right, great. If he's wrong, then he's a meanie.

Do not lynch: Epignosis, Glorfindel, MacDougall, Sloonei, or TonyStarkPrime. These are people I feel good about. Okay?

Dead Epi's shit list = Colin, Creature, Jack (ish), Long Con

Given these are confirmed as the genuine thoughts of a dead civilian, they should be respected.

Jack defending Creature is a good look for Jack (wolfJack probably doesn't openwolf with wolfCreature, nor does wolfJack defend civCreature).
Colin's bizarre energy rant at me pinged me hard though my rational brain wants to town read him for it because I attract town anger always.
When I let my rational brain analyse the LC/Colin stuff, it made LC look worse for it because diving on civColin there is what I would have done if I was wolfCon.
Creature is either wolf or badciv. I am leaning badciv but I don't think Jack's meta argument holds water in this environment.

I'm gonna look at LC some more.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:11 pm Also could someone explain salad and sheeping cause I have a vague idea but I want to be sure.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:18 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:44 am So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.

We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir

I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

hi im reading day 1 finally

i only make accusations when i can back them up. Cautious is also not a word in my vocabulary. Reckless is though

the rest of this is pretty on par for what's going on though.
"mac is doing something weird"
"some people did a back and forth"
"these people are acting different"
"no shows"
"dont know, usual selves, glorf is town"

nothing bad on sabie, but it's cut and dry

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:30 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:26 pm The number of people here that wouldn’t lynch Glor if he said “I am town” but who are voting Creature is interesting.

That number appears to be two.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:36 pm Yeah so like ... where are you going with this?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:53 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:26 pm The number of people here that wouldn’t lynch Glor if he said “I am town” but who are voting Creature is interesting.

I would lynch Glorfindel if I suspected he were Mafia. I could lynch Glorf actually. Today. He's operating within a charming schtick that I assume is supported by some sort of JJJ instructional video that I have yet to watch. What a way to keep to the tight and narrow as a baddie. Schtick-and-roadmap, all in one.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:04 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:53 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:26 pm The number of people here that wouldn’t lynch Glor if he said “I am town” but who are voting Creature is interesting.

I would lynch Glorfindel if I suspected he were Mafia. I could lynch Glorf actually. Today. He's operating within a charming schtick that I assume is supported by some sort of JJJ instructional video that I have yet to watch. What a way to keep to the tight and narrow as a baddie. Schtick-and-roadmap, all in one.

I'm afraid to even talk about Glor's alignment for fear he'll claim town.

I think Tony is town though.

I'm not going to "claim Town" if I get accused. I mean, the rules specifically state that the only alignment anyone can claim is Town, so it's truly meaningless by design.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:42 pm Yeeeeah. Colin is maphier.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:31 pm Sloonei can be maphier too.

Jaaaack, I know this is a blatant smirk, but come on.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:41 pm Somewhat impulsive rainbow

TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
Glorfindel
Long Con
Macdougall
Jackofhearts
ColinIsCool
sabie
Dragomir
Oreki
sprityo
Creature

My general impression from yesterday was that a lot of people did things which indicated Not Mafia to me, hence the big green tier. For Colin and Jack, their "Not Mafia" activities were simply seeming to not be all that bothered by the lynch. I think each of them would have had more to say during the lynch if they were bad. Jack especially.

Mac and Long Con are both in similar positions. Nothing they've done really screams "Town" at me, except that I feel they might be playing a more cautious or calculated game if they were bad. I took a glance at LC's recent scum performance in Zootopia, and I felt as though I could see a player (with my retrospective goggles on) who was very conscious of how his posts would be received before he posted them. Long Con in this game seems like he's just firing from the hip. I'm less confident when it comes to reading Mac than any other prominent Syndicate regular, but I'm gonna lean town in him for now because he brings good energy to the game.

I didn't ultimately vote for sabie and I still feel like the case against her is built on stuff that resembles Regular Sabie, but I've not seen enough to tell me that Regular Sabie and Mafia Sabie are really that far apart. The three names below her have combined to do zilch.

Creature is the name I'm tinfoiling right now. I'm gonna sleep on that a bit before I really dig into him. I've only played with Creature once, very recently. He was town and not drastically different than he has been here. He's had a bolder presence in this game, but I don't know that I feel he's really made anything happen in the game, which is my primary concern.

Ok, so this rainbow. Let's look at everyone who is not green.

We have Drago and Oreki, the two no-shows. Whoop-de-doo. We have sabie12, the most-discussed and most-suspected person in the game, right? Creature as the Proclaimed Tinfoil (so who can judge, and come on, he's rankling everyone with his harsh criticism anyway!)... ad also sprityo. Everyone else green, placated Civs.

Is sprityo your teammate? [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:26 pmYeah that's about the most basic rainbow you could ever have. Not my favorite reaction either.

It's completely formulaic.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:31 pm If you disagree with any of the explanations I gave, say so. If you're going to point at the colorful names and say they don't satisfy you then you're not really doing anything.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:14 am Valid point tbh. Probs a middling player like Jack or LC.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:12 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:29 am I'd recruit Epi because he's funny in BTSC but that ship already sailed in that I'm not mafia and also he's not mafia.

Or Tony or Mac or LC. So basically most of my townreads.

Discuss!

Epi or Sloonei based on phase zero activity. Maybe LC. I feel like Jack would be too obvious for me and you’d posted like 4 times so I’d be scared.

Spoiler: show

Not really but maybe it had that effect.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:21 pm Does anyone have a problem with lynching creature, does anyone have a problem with lynching sloonei, does anyone have a problem lynching Jack?

And why

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:07 pm Okay. He's talked about his Creature meta read a bit. He did last game too. He was wrong and I disagree with the premise on which he's expressed for town-reading Creature.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:45 pm Jack's MO of late has been to screw around early in games and turn it on a bit later.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:45 pm This game got off to a slow start. Mafia Jack can just fart around all of Days 1 & 2 while town sits on its collective hands and no one will bat an eye, because obviously scum jack would make more of an effort than this.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:27 pm I've only ever seen scum Creature. It looked a lot like this

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 7:54 pm Fyi, Creature’s meta on MU is basically “if he posts a lot, he is town.”

So he’s probably not.