The Syndicate

What’s up?

Hell of a player list. Do I know you [mention]Poison Chan[/mention] ?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:09 pm HI EVERYONE!!!

Hey, Hyena.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:15 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:11 am Hi guys, I've heard a lot of good things about this mafia thing, figured I'd check it on out.

So how does voting work, is more votes a good thing? Do they make me president?

Yes but only after the systematic sacrifice of 3 newborn Jacks.

Good thing I’m all grown up.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:28 pm Quick question: What's MP7's reputation like here? Is he someone that scum would not want to go toe to toe with if if they're town?

He’s good. We know he’s good. However, he hasn’t been able to put his all into his last several games here.

That is, I wouldn’t be concerned going toe to toe with him if I was scum. Depending on his activity level, I probably would avoid letting him near lylo.

Is there a certain player you think would not be doing something if they were scum and MP was town?

LC is pretty ballsy in general.

What if ya’ll are scum together again and you’re just saying that?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:37 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:35 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:41 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:40 am No self-voting? There goes half my strategy.

Hey, another scum claim!

Help us preserve Nanook's future as president by voting for Long Con!

I like Nanook, but Long Con is my scum buddy so I'm voting for MP instead.

@Jackofhearts2005 little late there pal

Womp womp

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:44 pm Ooh yeah could be that

Could be that Texas asshole too?

You’re gonna have to be more specific.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:23 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:44 pmCould be that Texas asshole too maybe?

You're really gonna have to narrow that down.

Goddamnit

I guess I’d peg Alex Jones as 3P....or not in this game. Why would he be in this game? Has he been saying that gay beer made the coronovirus or some shit?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:54 pm Tony saying he thought Alex Jones would be town read as a not-scum thing to say imo, especially since it came after me and nutella said the opposite

I agree.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:08 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:05 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:54 pm Tony saying he thought Alex Jones would be town read as a not-scum thing to say imo, especially since it came after me and nutella said the opposite

I agree.

It seems NAI at a glance, but I guess you could argue if he's town he may be basing it off of his own role. However, if that's the case wouldn't that make Nutella/Nanook people to look into?

A lack of good thing is not necessarily bad.

How you answer that question is in one of three ways.

1) You are town. You know at least one role that makes up the town and you make a guess at the entire game theme. Your guess could be wrong but it is without fear because you are town.

2) You are scum. You know at least one full side and can make a very very educated guess at the alignment of any given role.

3) You are third party and don’t know shit.

Under 3, you’ll tend to hold back and go with the flow. I’d put money on Tony not being 3P.

Under 2, you could have tmi and you’d be worried about that. And worried about standing out. And if you don’t have a safeclaim (imagine reading the rules), locking yourself in to a specific type of fakeclaim that doesn’t match what a few others have said is not what you’d do. So that doesn’t really match what Tony is doing.

Now suppose Tony is town and (I’m gonna throw out some uneducated shit that is not similar to my own town role) say Dan Abbott or Tucker Carlson or Rand Paul. He could easily suppose Alex Jones as town and be perfectly confident such an answer would not cause him trouble because his role pm is town. That feels like what Tony is doing.

But if you have a majority answer it’s hard to tell if that’s a good educated guess, tmi or 3P going with the flow.

It’s good for Tony. It’s probably NAI for anyone else. It does restrict potential fake claims for those players though.

Btw it’s my seventh wedding anniversary so there is a decent chance I disappear and miss the deadline. As always, I am town and since Jay isn’t here, I should be unlynchable but I’m letting you know anyway.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:19 pm @Jackofhearts2005 What's up man

#dadjokes

I’m never lynching MP7 D1 for fear of his wolf game.

Does he even have a good wolf game? I think I’ve only seen him rand town.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:14 pm Like come on guys, that slot is probabilistically more likely town than not, whereas we have thread content to analyze for all other slots that may help us determine that someone has more likelihood to be scum. Not to get mathy about it but it's just all around a dumb thing to do to lynch that slot. Allow me to say it -- it's -EV.

I agree don’t lynch 0 posters but I kinda dislike how much Nutella is leaning on “probably town anyway cause reasons.”

Could be tmi.

Also, her logic is wrong on its face.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:47 pm Speed should probably be higher than Jack lol.

420 baby!

I kinda townread Speedchuck.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:35 pm I'm really sorry, everyone, I feel like a major asshole right now. I promise I'll do more things, and while I often get emotionally invested in games, I generally enjoy mafia because I'm a masochist and I like all of you. For those who haven't played with me before, I assure you that I'm not usually this unpleasant and that thread environment is important to me.

Lol [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Well that’s an unfortunate crossvote. Part of why I voted Sig was two townreads on the wagon and now one is voting me.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:38 pm Might as well ISO Jack too.

Don’t bother. I can self confirm.

3 min to tell me who I should be voting for and why. Go!

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:56 pm I'll be pretty upset if MR is mislynched tbh. If it comes down to it I'll vote nanook. More people should get on the jack wagon tho.

Trying to mislynch me when I’m not around again? Yuck.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:00 pmlolol

But seriously.

Sig should play better if he doesn’t want to get lynched.

Secret lynches are pro scum.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:35 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:32 pm Secret lynches are pro scum.

Not if we use them correctly.

Maybe on a majority site but not to a group that’s like “let’s have a four way tie.”

Option 3 is also pro scum. No hot potato allowed if you have death tunneled townie and you realize it. Stale wagons? Too bad.

Option 2 kinda tells us theme isn’t that big of an alignment indicator because it seems broken under certain setups. It’s still at least protown.

Day ending one hour early is pro scum.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:34 pm I voted for "in-character" because it sounds fun. I'm cool with second lynch. I'll vote Jack with my secret vote.

Lol that’s what I’m worried about. What if I’m lynchable via secret votes?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:08 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:57 pm Option 3 is also pro scum. No hot potato allowed if you have death tunneled townie and you realize it. Stale wagons? Too bad.

Option 2 kinda tells us theme isn’t that big of an alignment indicator because it seems broken under certain setups. It’s still at least protown.

I disagree with your logic on option two.

Which bit?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:19 am I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

I'll go for a double lynch over the locked candidates though. We'd just have to coordinate.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:32 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:41 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:38 pm Might as well ISO Jack too.

Don’t bother. I can self confirm.

Are you serious about this?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:39 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:23 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:19 am I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

that's not the scum team

If you claim Trump, I’m lynching you anyway just like in Hybridity.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:41 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:17 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:42 pm And btw Re: the poll we can always use the hidden lynch to can a low-poster while actively hunting with the public poll. It's not the best use of it, but it is less susceptible to scum manipulation.

An intriguing proposition. Perhaps the secret vote could be to lynch someone very clearly in the bottom rung of the POE, perhaps due to low post count or LHF or whatever.

Or we could just use it to lynch Jack (again) until he is rid of the delusion that he cannot be lynched.

*nightkills self*

That didn't count cause Jay was involved and also technically SVS got lynched, not me.

When you've been lynched as a townie like 8 times in 11 years, you learn to come up with excuses for why none of those lynches count.

I should probably actually try to find the baddies, huh?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:13 pm I should probably actually try to find the baddies, huh?

Try lookin in a mirror, pal.

(yeah you prob should)

Prepare to laugh.

I wasn’t joking about self confirming.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:03 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:12 pm That didn't count cause Jay was involved and also technically SVS got lynched, not me.

1. Since when does JAy's involvement factor into your unlynchability? Did that exist before that game?

2. Your technicality has been overruled.

Yeah. He got me lynched in Assassination Classroom. We were both town there, too.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:05 pm I am handling night actions so if you just send your action to Epignosis after he specifically said to send them to both of us then it won't count you filthy serfs.

It was my anniversary yesterday and I haven’t caught up.

I’ll give you an accurate Nutella read later. So helpless. Smh.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:53 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:52 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:26 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:10 pm I’m willing to take the «Jack is scum because he hasn’t diagnosed Nutella yet» argument pretty seriously.

Does this still apply if nutella is red?

Yes. I don’t remember the last time town Jack hasn’t had something to say about Nutella early on, though maybe he didn’t in the ballgame game cause I think he got lynched. Now he’s avoiding the subject. I don’t want to create a meta by which Jack has to do X Y and Z to be town read, but I think it’s at least an engageable point.

He did in fact confidently and mistakenly call me town in that game after reading like an eighth of the game lol.

That doesn’t count either.