The Syndicate

let's go

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:12 pmI also haven't played with Kyle since... well, let's say... it's gotta be 6 years, right? 2012?

you went on a hiatus for a year or two before i did i think.

it's been one million years

[mention]Golden[/mention] what's ur recent history? did u play/host many games while i wasn't around

wow, ignored. :[

However, they can improve the glory of their victory after that by also neutralizing the opposing civilian faction.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] clarification question, what is meant here by neutralize?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:25 am
Choutas wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:21 am
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:01 am
Choutas wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:00 am
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:33 am There now appear to be many game-relevant posts on day one. I blame MP, but I'm voting sloonei for now because yolo

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine
This is sloppy. Yellow card for you another one and you get my vote.
Please, let me know what I need to do to get another yellow card.

But they're actually basically golden cards anyway.
Downplaying somebody's post.
Boom! I win!

I have a long history of taking votes on day one when town. You're finding out why right now. My day one record when not town is substantially cleaner.

Oops, there I go talking about my own meta. I ping myself!

In all seriousness though, why are you voting on such basic grounds? Don't you think it would be incredibly easy for me to have played a much cleaner game to date? My behaviour so far has been virtually asking for votes. Kyle even independent read me. Don't I strike you as an 'easy vote' right now?

I did what?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:07 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:45 pm @Golden what's ur recent history? did u play/host many games while i wasn't around
kyle is being kyle with his data gathering methods. digging this.

why

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:46 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:43 am
However, they can improve the glory of their victory after that by also neutralizing the opposing civilian faction.
@JaggedJimmyJay clarification question, what is meant here by neutralize?
Defeat.

that's not what i asked :/

in the context of this game does neutralize mean get rid of all of? in order to achieve the secret special bonus victory does that require 100% death of the alternative town faction or does it just require a numerical majority.

stopping @ post 256, will catch up later

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:34 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:46 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:43 am
However, they can improve the glory of their victory after that by also neutralizing the opposing civilian faction.
@JaggedJimmyJay clarification question, what is meant here by neutralize?
Defeat.
that's not what i asked :/

in the context of this game does neutralize mean get rid of all of? in order to achieve the secret special bonus victory does that require 100% death of the alternative town faction or does it just require a numerical majority.

>:[

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:08 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:34 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:46 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:43 am
However, they can improve the glory of their victory after that by also neutralizing the opposing civilian faction.
@JaggedJimmyJay clarification question, what is meant here by neutralize?
Defeat.
that's not what i asked :/

in the context of this game does neutralize mean get rid of all of? in order to achieve the secret special bonus victory does that require 100% death of the alternative town faction or does it just require a numerical majority.

>:[
Kyle, how will this help you? Why are you giving mr potato head eyes to the host

knowing and understanding the basic mechanics of the game is important to me, the potato head eyes are in response to the wretched infernal shruggy boy

if special victory+ requires only having a basic majority (i.e. just having one more guy than the other guys have at the end of the game) then that wouldn't be so bad. if victory+ requires all of the other side to be lynched then it would be impractical to pursue in any way.

as it is, i don't see that mechanic as being worth paying attention to

[mention]Golden[/mention]

3.5 questions:

do u feel that your playstyle has changed or improved over the last half decade? if so, how

how many games have you played with sloonei?

how many games have you played with dunya?

[mention]Golden[/mention] also, same question but about MacDougall this time. thanks much

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:05 pmMy play has improved markedly. Back then I couldn't easily hide as scum, because my supatown meta was so strong. I'm now much better both at being an accurate town (not just a loud one), and at blending in as scum. I mean, I did go to the mafia champs and win - I don't think I could have done that back in the days you remember me from. This is partly as a result of exposure to many other playstyles. But I think fundamentally I still express in the same way. A big picture way of saying how it's changed is 'I have many in-game personas now, and I can choose between them'. I cultivate meta carefully and deliberately.

would you describe your contemporary mafia and civ gameplay as nearly interchangable then, behavior-wise?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:05 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:32 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:27 am
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:07 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:45 pm @Golden what's ur recent history? did u play/host many games while i wasn't around
kyle is being kyle with his data gathering methods. digging this.
What do you mean by this?
If I answer for her, would that be bothersome for any scum hunting endeavours you may have here?
I'm glad you asked, but no, that's fine, you can answer here too. I've not had the fortune of playing with Kyle since... the old days, so it's been a long time.

didn't you play in pirates?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:20 pmI think everyone is sick of my meta talk really. But I maintain multiple metas across all affiliations, some of which I would describe as nearly interchangeable. My goal is to maintain a scum meta that is hard to read while maintaining a civ meta that is easy to read. You can't do that with only one meta in each pocket.

idc what everyone else is sick of, thank you for your responses

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:07 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:05 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:32 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:27 am
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:07 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:45 pm @Golden what's ur recent history? did u play/host many games while i wasn't around
kyle is being kyle with his data gathering methods. digging this.
What do you mean by this?
If I answer for her, would that be bothersome for any scum hunting endeavours you may have here?
I'm glad you asked, but no, that's fine, you can answer here too. I've not had the fortune of playing with Kyle since... the old days, so it's been a long time.
He has a persistent habit of immediately trying to dig through the initial host content to find things others might overlook. To the point where if he did not do it, it would probably attract negative attention.

it's really more of a habit of waiting til halfway through day 1 to figure out what kind of game I'm playing cus I basically never read the game setup or rules ahead of time

[mention]dunya[/mention] you recently were on mafia hiatus cus of mafia burnout, are you feeling better? how are you? how's lizzy

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:16 am Town reads:
Speedchuck
Choutas
Dom
Kylemii
Kites
Scotty
sig
Sloonei
M Plus 7

Remainders:
ColinIsCool
dunya - Dunya's questioning is all over the place, but I remember it being that way in MK and in Vocaroo. She actually ended up getting lynched for it in MK, even though she pointed out the scumteam. I can't clear Dunya on a meta read, though, because I've never played with scum dunya.
Epignosis
Golden - Has done some really towny things. I didn't even mind his meta defense, but for a couple of posts that pinged me. Those that Mac didn't point out, I already did.
Jackofhearts2005
lapluie
Long Con
Lunalee
MacDougall - Wanna see how he approaches non-golden players before assigning a townread
Marmot
novaselinenever
Spacedaisy
Turnip Head
wolbre04

Feel free to call me on any of these reads. Busy day, can't do them all, so this list is for you to pick and choose.
I'll narrow down and pick out scumreads from my remainders by tomorrow.

why was i a townread for you at the time of this post

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:48 pm did you ask that cos I still seem burned out? I'm sorry if that's the case but I promise I'm trying to give this game my 100% within my circumstances.

no not really that, just calibrating expectations

jay is hosting so i imagine you might have signed up regardless of what ur mental state was, which might be a cause for a false negative (positive?) on the supertown dunya barometer

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:30 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:06 am
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:07 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:45 pm @Golden what's ur recent history? did u play/host many games while i wasn't around
kyle is being kyle with his data gathering methods. digging this.
Are players not who they are when they're bad, then?
I already explained this to MP. It was tongue in cheek because Kyle is notorious for these kinds of posts.

i will not be cyber-bullied for caring about the rules

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:37 am
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:31 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:27 am
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:24 am I think talking heads was another Mac and I think there’s a third. But I remember some games well and others not so much.
Bro, I was scum in Talking Heads. Try again. If you're going to try to discredit my points because you feel there is a pattern to me incorrectly scum reading you as town so far you've only pointed at a game I was scum and a game you were indie.
Ha, well I didn’t remember that bit.

Look, if you can name a time you’ve ever read me as bad and been right I’ll hand it to you. I don’t believe it exists. This is the reason I’m saying throw out your tellson me - but again you can only do what you’re comfortable doing.
No man. That's not how this works. I made accusations of you and you tried to discredit me by claiming I misread you all the time. You have failed to show evidence of that. Evidence of me previously reading you well is not required here as I have a good amount of your own posts right here that speak for themselves so I don't need to point at any mystical ability to read you. This is not me making random gut reads on people and pointing at mystic Mac powers. This is you making posts, me finding them suspect, and me finding your reactions as supporting my perspective.

I wouldn't ask of anyone to show evidence that they've caught you before to prove that they make good cases on you. Besides, and I will say it again, even if you HAVE evidence that I read you poorly consistently:

a) It's outdated, it's old
b) I put it to you, that the vast majority of anybody's reads are wrong
c) It's such a small sample size that the two immediate games that sprung to your mind, you were indie in one and I was scum in the other

Moving on. I've made my points. I hope people read them and comment. It would be a shame if they were skimmed.
You don’t get it. I’m not defending myself. I’m trying to help you read me better.

Anyone who knows me well will probably be reading me as hard town by now. This playstyle does not exist on my baddie spectrum at all.

You can choose to do with it what you will but... if you don’t listen this time, please don’t forget. Remember next time.

what's an example of a player who the emboldened section applies to

is it enboldened or emboldened?

[mention]Golden[/mention] I only ask because I am seeing 2011 civ Golden in this game, which is comforting, but if what you said about the change in your meta is true then isn't what you said to Mac bad advice?

this game has probably the highest density of "players who lead the town when they're town" of any game I've ever played

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:24 pm Emboldened, I believe.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:57 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:30 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:06 am
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:07 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:45 pm @Golden what's ur recent history? did u play/host many games while i wasn't around
kyle is being kyle with his data gathering methods. digging this.
Are players not who they are when they're bad, then?
I already explained this to MP. It was tongue in cheek because Kyle is notorious for these kinds of posts.
i will not be cyber-bullied for caring about the rules
I don't follow this at all.

which part

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:28 pmI mean to be worrying about the victory+ is 5D chess. You’re going on a blind date and a few hours before you even meet the girl, you’re at Zales picking out necklaces for your future 3-year wedding anniversary

a better analogy would be that I'm googling her Facebook page and seeing what kind of pets she has and what her political views are so i know what to prepare for ahead of time.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:10 pm yeah I'm kinda stumped by Kyle's ISO. he's literally only addressed Golden and JJJ so far and answered one question from Scotty.

There's a couple more players he's never played with...I'd have expected him to ask them some questions (Choutas, wolbre) and he's not played with Turnip Head for ages too..why isn't he asking him the same questions?

who are you referring to as being a player I haven't played with before? I've played with golden plenty of times.

I spent a lot of the first phase of the game sick in bed, I only just now caught up to the present. my focus on golden is cus he and I have similar playstyles, (or at least we did in 2011) and I have fond memories of winning games with him, so i tend to prioritize reading him early

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:02 pm @Kylemii

I like your new Pokemon TCG avatar.

thanx, i'm fire now

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:48 pm Lizzy isn't feeling the love atm. She's disappointed in people who think I'd lie about out-of-game related stuff. nah, that's definitely not my style.

Spacedaisy, since it's come down to this, can you be a character witness here re:

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:33 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:17 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:10 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:28 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:59 pm every game Dom has been in with me, he ended up being inactive so this is actually the first time I get to play with him and I'm not at all familiar with his meta. from what I have heard, this seems to be Dom being Dom.
But your vote is currently on him.
Weird how I was inactive and people discussed my meta.
I'll elaborate on this.

She's heard of my meta in games I never really played in? Really, my meta came up?

suspect af. who in btsc gave you an idea of my meta?
nah you were compared to other players to me in discord in the past when we were OT discussing prolific Syndicate mafia players.
Nope. Don't believe this.

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine
they seem to not believe I've gained some info on Dom's playstyle through Discord chat with other players, and that I was fed some meta info on Dom through BTSC and I scum slipped right here.

what are the specific aspects of Dom that make Dom "Dom"

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:18 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:54 pm which might be a cause for a false negative (positive?) on the supertown dunya barometer
I don't understand this part of your post. Please explain.

mmmm okay well imagine you're jogging with Lance Armstrong or some other famous runner who is famous for running really good, but you know Lance Armstrong broke both his knees in a running accident 6 months ago, so he's been sorta like, off of running for a while I guess. cus of his broken knees and the related stress

You'd wanna ask "hey Lance, how're your knees my dude, do you still enjoy track and field sports", especially in the very specific circumstance where you're cooperating/competing with Lance Armstrong in some sort of competition game where judging his running skill and speed is a factor.

if Lance was like "yo I'm pumped for some sprinting let's fucking run some triathlons" and then ran 84 miles in 2 days then that would mean something different to me than if Lance ran 84 miles while still being in kind of a funk about the whole broken knees thing. does that make sense?

idk im sleepy and this metaphor kind of sucks

alright 1.5 hours left, i just got home

plz summarize the last 7 pages for me?

more to the point, what's the deal with novasalinever? *seinfeld voice*

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:48 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:46 pm more to the point, what's the deal with novasalinever? *seinfeld voice*
Nah, nova looks good. I don't like that there's three votes on him right now. I've still seen nothing compelling, those that know him say he starts quiet. Why does he have three votes?

that's what I'm asking, nova barely has any thread presense in the parts I've read but had more votes than anyone else and I hadn't gotten to any point where anyone was like "oh shit dudes let's look at nova"

you all are posting faster than i can read so im just gonna live in the present i guess

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:47 pm So yeah, I've convinced myself to change my vote to Golden.

why?

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:09 pm I just isoed Luna. I can see how you might see that as a first-time baddie in a team with dunya. It's within the realms of possibility, but by no means beyond doubt. But as I'm voting for neither of them today, I'll revisit it later.

Has Lunalee only played civ?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:28 pm [VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine because I don't know where his questioning of Golden's mafia history is going.

hey sir why is that a good justification for a vote

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:22 pm Kyle, why did you question Golden's mafia history?

cus the information wasn't readily available in a public format, asking him about it was quicker than looking myself.

plz summarize the case on sig

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:28 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:22 pm Kyle, why did you question Golden's mafia history?
cus the information wasn't readily available in a public format, asking him about it was quicker than looking myself.

[mention]Dom[/mention] realizing I maybe missed the point of your question, in the Old Times, Golden was a player who I liked playing with because of his civ aptitude as well as the ease at which I could read him since his style was the same as mine. I asked him the questions I did because I wanted to know if this golden was still the same as the golden who conquered 2012's viral videos mafia with me as Rick Roll, meta-wise. because that's how it felt, but if Goldens meta had evolved a bunch then maybe that feeling would be rendered invalid so I needed to ask. golden is my top town read

i don't feel confident in any of the top 3 lines

what is the foundation of a case on nova

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:53 pm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

[this part]If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.[/right here]

explanation?

I have voted for [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

i think the sig lynch is fine, there are mechanical reasons to keep a lynch close in case of the involvement of brasidas.

lunalee in particular cus I want to remind myself later to look into them.

[mention]Marmot[/mention] why did you vote for me? you gave a reason but it didn't make sense in terms of this being a mafia game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:13 pm I just caught up. I am about to rain hell down on the following.

Sloonei
Marmot
Jack
Kyle
Luna

oh cool

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:57 pm Lots to dig into though. I was addressed several times while I was gone, and I'll talk about the one I remember.

I think Luna is town. She is playing as I would expect her to on D1 in her first online mafia game.
(But speed, this is not her first online mafia game!)
You think burglaries and freaking Image Mafia count? Not that Luna played much differently in the burglaries. She was town then as well. We have put up more content in one day than Luna has parsed in her entire syndicate run, and I think her posts work with her latching onto elements that she can follow and giving what opinions she has.
I don't discourage pursuing a scumread on her and asking her questions. It might help her to engage with the thread, since she is a "true freshman" and not a "transfer" like Nova, Wolbre, etc. Just keep the filter in mind. And through my filter, I see her as town.

is lunalee relatively new? not from RYM or one of those sites?

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