The Syndicate

lettttts begin B)

ass class is now in session

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 8:09 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 8:03 pm lettttts begin B)

ass class is now in session

Did you just join this game so you could say that line?

yeah that was pretty much the main reason why i signed up actually

[mention]quin[/mention] does this shit do anything

the poll

the poll

Quin wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 8:32 pm This poll is purely flavour.

what flavor is it? strawberry or vanilla

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 12:40 pmKylemii is a mafioso because this post:

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 8:47 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 8:32 pm This poll is purely flavour.

what flavor is it? strawberry or vanilla

doesn't feel like authentic Kylemii humor to me. It does feel like an attempt at authentic Kylemii humor, implying he is not in a state of immediate comfort and is trying to find that state.

I dislike this because it implies that "vanilla or strawberry" wasn't a good joke when it was clearly a very very good and funny joke.

I also dislike the implication that humor is something that I would need or even feel compelled to try and fake given my specific background in being very good at lying and also excellent at telling jokes

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 4:49 pmI think you're lying about being good at telling jokes.

wow

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 4:54 pmIt isn't a conscious decision to be funny Kyle. It's a subconscious gravitation toward a state of comfort generally enjoyed by a Kyle who is not trying to kill everyone in cold blood.

yeah but that's really not a thing. humor and comfort aren't alignment indicative for me. in all cases I am either trying to hunt the badboys effectively or pretending to hunt them earnestly. Neither thing prevents jokes from happening.

i made an especially lame joke about ice cream and Quin's word choice cus I was especially giddy about receiving my role and this game starting, that's all there really is to it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 5:32 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 5:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 4:54 pmIt isn't a conscious decision to be funny Kyle. It's a subconscious gravitation toward a state of comfort generally enjoyed by a Kyle who is not trying to kill everyone in cold blood.

yeah but that's really not a thing. humor and comfort aren't alignment indicative for me. in all cases I am either trying to hunt the badboys effectively or pretending to hunt them earnestly. Neither thing prevents jokes from happening.

i made an especially lame joke about ice cream and Quin's word choice cus I was especially giddy about receiving my role and this game starting, that's all there really is to it.

Ice cream jokes are a lock scumtell

shit dude you're right:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 5:54 pmKylemii, what is your concrete, developed, prepared read on me right now?

i don't have that yet. my gth read on you is civ though, based on the fact that mafia jay is more content to let a dead thread sleep, and you've done the opposite of that.

fucked up that mac let himself get sick, he should always be in top health at all times in case a mafia game starts

[mention]Pennywise[/mention] [mention]avita[/mention]

who are you? tell me your secrets

who do u know, where are you from

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:55 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 6:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 5:54 pmKylemii, what is your concrete, developed, prepared read on me right now?

i don't have that yet. my gth read on you is civ though, based on the fact that mafia jay is more content to let a dead thread sleep, and you've done the opposite of that.

Is this canon?

he said it was true way back a million years ago, why would he lie to me, his best friend?

he said it as a defense as a civ 1 million years ago during, i think fiddler? or maybe the talking one. that doesn't gauranteed that it's an always-true statement, but I have noticed it to be consistent with his behavior as a human being

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:16 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:13 pm he said it as a defense as a civ 1 million years ago during, i think fiddler? or maybe the talking one. that doesn't gauranteed that it's an always-true statement, but I have noticed it to be consistent with his behavior as a human being

Tis a safe thing to say though. To the player putting pressure on you. The raveous beast of Jay pressuring you so you pet him gently on the snout. Very safe.

i don't care about safety. he asked me for my day 0 read on him, so i acquiesced to the best of my ability. Jay pushing the town crank is a gentle townsign for him, based on my exerience

maybe its not as much of a sign as like... a laminated poster scotch taped to an electrical pole on a rainy day, but it's day 0.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 1:36 pm Kylemii, when you suggested that my behavior in life is consistent with my claim that as mafia I would be content to let a thread sleep, what did you mean exactly? What have you observed from me which corroborates that?

"life" should be understood as "in mafia games"

and i cant think of any specific examples, mainly cus I'm tired and i don't want to, but the statement you made jives with everything I've seen from you since then. I have no reason to not believe that, when mafia, you would calculate your behavior in a way where when presented with a stalled thread you would wither let it stay stalled or simply pantomime pushing it forward. your words and actions here feel more realistic than that

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 2:38 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 4:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 12:40 pmKylemii is a mafioso because this post:

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 8:47 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 8:32 pm This poll is purely flavour.

what flavor is it? strawberry or vanilla

doesn't feel like authentic Kylemii humor to me. It does feel like an attempt at authentic Kylemii humor, implying he is not in a state of immediate comfort and is trying to find that state.

I dislike this because it implies that "vanilla or strawberry" wasn't a good joke when it was clearly a very very good and funny joke.

I also dislike the implication that humor is something that I would need or even feel compelled to try and fake given my specific background in being very good at lying and also excellent at telling jokes

Kyle was displeased with my accusation regarding his ice cream joke. That's fine, it was a stupid accusation.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 5:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 4:54 pmIt isn't a conscious decision to be funny Kyle. It's a subconscious gravitation toward a state of comfort generally enjoyed by a Kyle who is not trying to kill everyone in cold blood.

yeah but that's really not a thing. humor and comfort aren't alignment indicative for me. in all cases I am either trying to hunt the badboys effectively or pretending to hunt them earnestly. Neither thing prevents jokes from happening.

i made an especially lame joke about ice cream and Quin's word choice cus I was especially giddy about receiving my role and this game starting, that's all there really is to it.

I do not see evidence that the highlighted portion is occurring in this case.

it's day 1. name any one game where I've given a concrete stance on anyone without being prompted to do so. any game.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 6:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 5:54 pmKylemii, what is your concrete, developed, prepared read on me right now?

i don't have that yet. my gth read on you is civ though, based on the fact that mafia jay is more content to let a dead thread sleep, and you've done the opposite of that.

I believe it was Mac who observed that Kyle was easily forgiving of my poop [ice cream] fling. The assertion he makes here about my play is an accurate one I believe, but I am uneasy about seeing someone other than me actually saying it. Usually when I make claims like this, even if true, nobody listens to me. It all goes right through the ear canals from end-to-end, and I find myself saying them again at some later time.

I need to know what Kyle has observed from me which makes him comfortable in adopting this perspective that everyone else has always seemed so comfortable to ignore when I have stated it.

lol jay....

you're very loud. and in every game where I've attempted to read you (and usually done so incorrectly) you say something along the lines of "um actually my behavior is this and i always say thats the way it is but no one believes me about it" like... that post shows up in every single game. but I take note of the things you say. your meta comments about yourself are usually accurate, except when you specifically have an immediate reason to lie.

same thing with the ice cream shit fling, this is just part of who you are, it's part of jay. i thought it was suspicious the first time I experienced it personally, (also in fiddler?) and learned it was just one of your methods of stirring things up

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:13 pm he said it as a defense as a civ 1 million years ago during, i think fiddler? or maybe the talking one. that doesn't gauranteed that it's an always-true statement, but I have noticed it to be consistent with his behavior as a human being

Show me.

I'm tired, I'm not gonna dig through the archives to link you to something you already remember saying

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:27 pm maybe its not as much of a sign as like... a laminated poster scotch taped to an electrical pole on a rainy day, but it's day 0.

This read on me is Kyle's only read in the thread unless I missed something.

that's cus you specifically asked me for this read, I'm not an early read guy, especially when I haven't had time to properly bite into the thread

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 2:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 2:40 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 2:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 2:25 pm [VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

oh yeah, I forgot he was playing.

He's bad too. Calling it now.

Which one should I vote, JJJ?

As of right now I am more suspicious of Kyle. I don't think Jack's handling of my poking looks as bad as you suggest.

ok

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

I understand jay, why are you voting for me, Scotty?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 4:33 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 4:31 pm I'm tired, I'm not gonna dig through the archives to link you to something you already remember saying

I meant for you to show me an example of my behavior adhering to the claims I so often make that go ignored (which you have in this case not ignored). Don't spend a great deal of time looking for shit though if you do that at all.

oh, i see. I guess the best example i can think of is phenon 2 where you were mafia and the thread was in a constant stall state. you took advantage of it and rode that wave to victory, of course you also like... did shit and made shit happen but it was never anything that wasn't already going to happen. granted, that was a sockpuppet game so you had a little more tactical freedom than usual but it was still notable to me. I think you actually cited that game during fiddler as the counter-example to my claim that you would be perfectly capable and willing to fake the act of pushing the thread forward as a mafia in order to gain civ look-ness, which you said something along the lines of.... 'sure I'd try to make it look that way but actually pushing discussion forward and getting people to talk while mafia is more detrimental than the amount of civ credit obtained from it is worth" I actually still disagree with that logic but I believe that you believe it which is the important thing.

but even more than that, I've found you to be the type of player who tells the truth when talking about your own meta even when meta-wise it's probably unwise, because people don't listen, and don't trust, and don't remember. so I listen, and I trust, and i remember, because your self-confidence is gonna lead you into useful consistencies sometimes.

so yeah, all other things being equal, if i see a sleepy thread and I notice there's a jaggedjimmyjay stomping around ringing bells and waking people up, my first impression's gonna usually be "jay seems civ" at least until there's more to base things on

More importantly, do you have any new perspectives of the game emerging from whatever you have observed today?

not really, i noticed i had 6 notifications so i kinda skipped forward to see what they were about. im a little curious about Scotty's vote. I'll do some digging after i post this

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:26 pm Okay Kyle I forgive you.

forgiven for...............................

listening to you and remembering things you've said about yourself

can someone please quote jay's iso post i am mobile

thank you friendo

Scotty do u have any thoughts on Kylemii

[mention]Scooty[/mention]

Epignosis, how are you doing?

[mention]wolbre04[/mention] you mentioned only having loose gut reads, what are they

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:31 pm Jack/Kyle/wolbre team

Lesgo

tell me why

scotty do you actually suspect me, in real life

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:45 pm I have been waiting for Epi's trademark day 1 hostile thread takeover gimmick and it never came. How disappointing.

this game epi feels quieter than normal, calmer

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:10 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:17 pm Epignosis, how are you doing?

Drowning in reading posts, cooking supper, and placing wagers. Weren't you fire a while ago?

I'm lightning now

jesus

quiet evening i guess

i don't trust that I'll be able to understand what just happened in the last 30 minutes within the 8 remaining minutes of the day, plz summarize the cases on jack and lapluie in ten words each or less

[VOTE: jack] aubergine I guess?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:33 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:32 pm [VOTE: jack] aubergine I guess?

Wow

what

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:33 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:32 pm [VOTE: jack] aubergine I guess?

Wow

what

You voted off wagon with two people tied. Why?

no strong reason to want LC or Lapluie lynched over the other so i let the gods decide

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:43 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:33 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:32 pm [VOTE: jack] aubergine I guess?

Wow

what

You voted off wagon with two people tied. Why?

no strong reason to want LC or Lapluie lynched over the other so i let the gods decide

Not buying

not selling

why do you think i voted to preserve the tie

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:47 pmWifom

alright

im not gonna break a tie on day one between two players if i don't have a solid opinion on at least one of them

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:53 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:51 pm im not gonna break a tie on day one between two players if i don't have a solid opinion on at least one of them

And you have a solid opinion on me?

no, but you weren't part of the tie

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:58 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:57 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:53 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:51 pm im not gonna break a tie on day one between two players if i don't have a solid opinion on at least one of them

And you have a solid opinion on me?

no, but you weren't part of the tie

What was the purpose of your vote for me?

to vote without breaking the tie between two players i don't know the shit about and therefore don't feel qualified or comfortable condemning them to day 1 death by single-handedly breaking the tie

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 8:31 pmSo it was a vote “to vote.”

it was a vote to maintain the tie, the fact that it was you was mostly irrelevant

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 8:46 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 8:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 8:31 pmSo it was a vote “to vote.”

it was a vote to maintain the tie, the fact that it was you was mostly irrelevant

So you were previously voting for.....

i wasnt

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:32 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 8:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 8:46 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 8:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 8:31 pmSo it was a vote “to vote.”

it was a vote to maintain the tie, the fact that it was you was mostly irrelevant

So you were previously voting for.....

i wasnt

So what changes when you vote for me?

nothing changed. that's the point. that's math

if i wanted to change something about the direction of the lynch i would have voted for lc or lapluie, but I didn't so I didn't. i voted for you because voting for a player outside of the tie leaves the players involved at the mercy of a randomizer rather than at the mercy of me making an arbitrary decision based on 10% of the facts that i had only read from a second-hand source

jack i swear we've had this exact same conversation about ties like 30 times before

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:00 pmhurls
Let's not please
I don't like this post

cool, so i guess if you were given the names of 2 random players and 10 minutes to decide which one of them should immediately die 24 hours into the game with basically no context as to why they might be bad that you'd be comfortable making that decision on your own, no problem?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:26 pmIt takes only a few minutes apiece to skim each ISO imo if you're desperate.

i was doing those things, i skimmed a little, asked some questions, i wasn't left with an overwhelming feeling either way, and the lynch was a 2 way tie so i chose to not to choose and let an impartial robot lord do it.

Better to not leave it up to the RNGods imo

it's functionally equivalent, rng had the same probability as i did of choosing correctly

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:26 pmIt's early on in the game, if you read someone falsely it's understandable as there haven't been any deaths to provide he info we need to build off of. It's all hunches d1 unless someone really makes a mess

I don't care about having an opinion and being wrong. I'm wrong all the time. but i don't make decisions lightly and breaking a tie at EOD on day 1 feels oddly... personal to me. like im the guy holding the button in one of those saw movies and it's like jigsaw got bored of people dying and was just like "hey im tired of saw blades and real deafh what if instead of causing real death with saw blades pushing the button on this thing like.... just fuckin ruined this guy's day, just really peed in their cereal bowl, by making them die at the earliest time possible in a children's game on the internet that they're playing for fun with their friends" and scooted away on that little tricycle he has you know the one

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:51 pmEdit: Sorry for coming across as an ass if I did

nononnoonono it's okay i love you please stay

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 11:16 pmI mean, personally I like making a choice instead of just leaving it, but that's just me

on most other phases that's true but i feel like day 1s are different. getting lynched day 1 sucks and making it happen is almost as bad. you're basically saying like "hey, sorry but you were the worst player in this game, of the players alive in this game, i want you to be able to play it the least" and I don't like that. I don't like pulling the trigger on that. if I'm in the sole position to decide who dies first in a mafia game and i don't have a strong enough feeling about the topic then i will almost always just not choose

Again, not trying to say you're an idiot or anything, just trying to poke you

no i understand, and i probably am an idiot but it's not related to this