The Syndicate

I Can't Believe I'm Playing Mafia

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:55 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:23 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:06 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:36 pm I forget how to play mafia. Someone remind me.
Well you generally try to figure out who is bad, and then lynch them.
Oh, right.
[VOTE: lunalee] aubergine... eventually.
I mean, who knows? I might get lucky and get recruited to the mafia team.

Is it still up for grabs? How exciting!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:34 am
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:18 am Just discovered the Mega Man Legacy Collection is on Steam for less than a tenner... Worthwhile investment?
I may have to check that out, actually. Had no idea the classics were so available.

I'm going to arrange things so that I get an emulator for Christmas with all NES, SNES, Genesis, arcade games and more! I'll spoiler text this, it's a list of what's in there:

Spoiler: show

Those links are to textuploader.com, and the NES one includes:

Mega Man
Mega Man II
Mega Man III
Mega Man IV
Mega Man V
Mega Man VI
Mega Man VII

Which community? These online communities are one of my favourite parts of modern life. I first got involved with such on Lostpedia forums, when my wife and I were HEAVILY into LOST. The relationships we have formed since then have changed our lives, and we have watched others' lives get changed as well... more than one MARRIAGE due to online community involvement. It's still so astounding to me.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:21 pm
This is amazing

Why so few N64 games tho?

Well, the only N64 game I ever gave a damn about is Mario Kart, so I hadn't given that much thought.

So, what are we dealing with here? Closed setup, and we don't even know which roles are on the bad team.

So, what is the method of catching someone on Day 1? Ask questions and hope someone slips up?

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:46 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:42 am Which community? These online communities are one of my favourite parts of modern life. I first got involved with such on Lostpedia forums, when my wife and I were HEAVILY into LOST. The relationships we have formed since then have changed our lives, and we have watched others' lives get changed as well... more than one MARRIAGE due to online community involvement. It's still so astounding to me.
It's called Escape Restart, it's a gaming community - I agree though, some of the people I've met through online communities are people I don't know what I'd do without so I'm very grateful to have been a part of that one

Right on! Like, the only reason I have been to New York City is because Lorab hosted a LOST Finale party there, and it is a very fond memory. Not because of New York, but because of the people I finally got to meet in person, and love as friends. I'm several drinks in tonight though, don't let me go on and gush any more.

Welcome to the Syndicate, Infected_alien8_. We are a great community and if you want to stay, you will find another online family here.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:54 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:52 am So, what are we dealing with here? Closed setup, and we don't even know which roles are on the bad team.

So, what is the method of catching someone on Day 1? Ask questions and hope someone slips up?
Create a whirlwind of a thread by facilitating maximal activity. Ask questions, make comments, and hurl accusations at every opportunity. The thread needs to be a pressured and even stressful environment.

I ain’t got no time fo’ dat today so y’all get busy.

When do you think the decisions on recruitment were made?

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:57 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:55 am
Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:46 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:42 am Which community? These online communities are one of my favourite parts of modern life. I first got involved with such on Lostpedia forums, when my wife and I were HEAVILY into LOST. The relationships we have formed since then have changed our lives, and we have watched others' lives get changed as well... more than one MARRIAGE due to online community involvement. It's still so astounding to me.
It's called Escape Restart, it's a gaming community - I agree though, some of the people I've met through online communities are people I don't know what I'd do without so I'm very grateful to have been a part of that one
Right on! Like, the only reason I have been to New York City is because Lorab hosted a LOST Finale party there, and it is a very fond memory. Not because of New York, but because of the people I finally got to meet in person, and love as friends. I'm several drinks in tonight though, don't let me go on and gush any more.

Welcome to the Syndicate, Infected_alien8_. We are a great community and if you want to stay, you will find another online family here.
Thank you for the warm welcome!

So since you asked what we should do day 1, does that mean you're fairly new to playing mafia?

No no no.... I just never learned how to do it effectively. I've been playing for over a decade.

Light doesn't recruit. Just Wiley. The reason I know this is that I didn't get notified Wiley recruited me. The reason you don't know this...

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Yes, I'm interested in hearing more about me, let's see this pattern.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?

I assumed by that point in the day, it would have been done. Not that that matters. I was stirring up conversation on the subject to see if anything shook loose.

Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?

I was putting that out there to start talking about something in a game where we have almost nothing to go on. Not every question is asked because I don't have an answer already.

Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"

Again, going with conversation questions pertinent to the lack of info we have, to see if anyone goes on-topically pingy.

But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

Which is just the kind of thing I was looking to find when I brought up recruitment-related stuff earlier.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

I read and understood the rules just fine. I didn't say anything out of ignorance.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:36 amRead the freaking rules, dude.

I read the rules. Dr Light doesn't recruit.

And yes, I know I said recruited instead of received. Don't care.

Good for you. It's an important distinction to me.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:09 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:41 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:39 am Is this actually recruitment mafia? Been a few mentions of it but I've read nothing in thread to suggest it.
u r mafia recruiter
came here to say this

Why do you think speedchuck is a better vote than Quin?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:30 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.
I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

This is sketchy, and a stretch, on the reread. It's a sktretch.

It's more wishy-washy and noncommittal than water. Are you trying to be Switzerland here? Are you trying to catch baddies or be Involved In A Discussion? You cast a vote, which I can only assume is supposed to look like pressure, and then you proceed to post with as little pressure as possible on me.

And, I just have to focus on this sexy piece of blather: "This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up." Disappointed us when it wasn't a revelation-filled-look-at-past-games kind of pattern, but just you saying you see some pattern in the four posts Luna quoted. I can look at the horse picture behind my monitors and see, in the horse group, black-black-white-black-black-black-white, and yeah that's a possible pattern, and no it doesn't mean anything. PLUS, now it's maybe-suspicious in your world to move from ignorance to understanding as time progresses? Or are you Billy Pilgrim, displaced in time and confused about how I could have understanding at one point in time, and also have ignorance at another? We live in a linear world, buddy. Also, I was never ignorant of the answers to my questions, just to reiterate.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:38 pm Yes, I'm interested in hearing more about me, let's see this pattern.
What would you like to know?

Truly, we could write an essay on Long Con and how much he enjoys hearing about himself. There's nothing that pleases a Con more than to know he's one step ahead of the curve; whatever is cool, Con is cooler!, and he knows it!, and that's maybe the worst part. You can't sneak up on a Con with flattery. His disarmed bashfulness at your compliments will be well-acted, but emotionally unearned. Internally he's already scheming about how to get even Connier.

Many people think he's this one thing, but really he's a lot of other things too, and that should begin to whet your curiosity's appetite for how many layers this Con onion has. He's quick. He's feisty. He's flirty. He's vulnerable. He's got a strong sense of self-efficacy. He is constantly searching for his own worth.

He doesn't need to know how to catch bad guys, he just needs to be around them. He dangles from the canopy of the thread, and when he sees a threat, he envelops himself in his conly aura, gently massaging his suspicions in a dark and lonely corner.

Other times you'll see a Con active in the wild, casually tossing dingleberries at the dougalls and the jays manging about down on the forest floor. This Con is often the most fun to observe, and yet the least useful from a practical game-solving standpoint. But Con doesn't care about being practical. Con lives in the wind.

Perhaps my favorite flavor is comically deranged Con. This Con crosses the alignment spectrum, so you can maybe catch a glimpse of one be he FEB, town, or indy. This is a Con who has lost his grasp on reality and is just spinning his gears whichever way his current existential crisis takes him. He could turn the whole game into an ashy pile of chaotic rubble, crashing to its knees. You really never know.

See, Turnip Head gets me.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:55 pm
Spoiler: show
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:30 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.
I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

This is sketchy, and a stretch, on the reread. It's a sktretch.

It's more wishy-washy and noncommittal than water. Are you trying to be Switzerland here? Are you trying to catch baddies or be Involved In A Discussion? You cast a vote, which I can only assume is supposed to look like pressure, and then you proceed to post with as little pressure as possible on me.

And, I just have to focus on this sexy piece of blather: "This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up." Disappointed us when it wasn't a revelation-filled-look-at-past-games kind of pattern, but just you saying you see some pattern in the four posts Luna quoted. I can look at the horse picture behind my monitors and see, in the horse group, black-black-white-black-black-black-white, and yeah that's a possible pattern, and no it doesn't mean anything. PLUS, now it's maybe-suspicious in your world to move from ignorance to understanding as time progresses? Or are you Billy Pilgrim, displaced in time and confused about how I could have understanding at one point in time, and also have ignorance at another? We live in a linear world, buddy. Also, I was never ignorant of the answers to my questions, just to reiterate.
So you claim you were attempting to set scum traps with your questions? Or just get discussion flowing? If the latter, I would rather have discussions about players and their posts and reads, than game mechanics. Discussing mechanics is always a good distraction from the more important discussions at hand.

'Scum traps' is a bit strong. 'Discussion flowing' is more accurate. I'd also prefer posts and reads, but this was during a Day 0 when, as far as we know, very few alignments had even been set. That's pretty relevant when talking about the content of my posts during that time.

I suspect Speedchuck less after seeing the quote from Epi about Light and Wiley recruiting. Sloonei would then be my top suspect, but there's already votes on him. Oh well. [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

I doubt Sloonei will be lynched today. There's no way this stays as-is for the next 19 hours.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:19 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:04 pm I suspect Speedchuck less after seeing the quote from Epi about Light and Wiley recruiting. Sloonei would then be my top suspect, but there's already votes on him. Oh well. [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

I doubt Sloonei will be lynched today. There's no way this stays as-is for the next 19 hours.
What do you think of all this town cred you've suddenly amassed?

On one hand it's pretty righteous, on the other it's like "hey slow down guys, I don't need the headache".

I didn't read Sloonei's Elohnalysis yet; didn't want to be influenced.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:21 pm Checking in! Haha. Sorry it took me so long to come around. The end of the week is...well....It's that work I am not supposed to say in mafia anymore. I guess I better get to reading.

I don't get the reference about the 'work' but I think she must have meant 'word', and I still don't know what it is. I don't see this as alignment-indicative.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:32 pm As I was working today, Epi told me I had 12 pages to read already. I guess he cannot count.

Looks like I haven't missed much.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:17 pm It was a nice quiet Day 0. Nothing happened.
Who are you and what have you done with Jay
I like new Jay.

Pretty bland stuff. A baddie would like the new Jay because the new Jay is laid-back and the old Jay is super-interrogative? I don't know the likelihood of Eloh knowing her alignment at this time anyway, but I guess going forward I'll assume the baddies know they're baddies.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:54 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:52 am So, what are we dealing with here? Closed setup, and we don't even know which roles are on the bad team.

So, what is the method of catching someone on Day 1? Ask questions and hope someone slips up?
Create a whirlwind of a thread by facilitating maximal activity. Ask questions, make comments, and hurl accusations at every opportunity. The thread needs to be a pressured and even stressful environment.

I ain’t got no time fo’ dat today so y’all get busy.
So in other words, "y'all get started and get the dirty work done and I will come back in here before the vote and make my assessment on which bandwagon I should jump on." Sounds bad to me. My first accusation is on YOU. Not only just this post. But, this post was given at12:54am. You then go on posting frequently until 3:08am. That is over 2 hours. And you have no time to ask questions, make comments, hurl accusations? There was no opportunity for that? Then you must have slept or something because you came back in the early pm posting exactly 9 hours later. At 1:48pm you talk about what you will do once you feel like actually playing the game. Again, you post frequently for 1 hour (1:48pm-2:42pm) not really saying anything. I do NOT like Jay in Mega-Man, I do not like him, Sam-I-Am.

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@Jack - I always post early on and often. I just don't often say much game related crap because I am too busy trying to keep up with the reading in the little bit of time I have to devote to mafia.

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Okay, already this is pretty far from "I like the new Jay". Now it's "I am accusatorily critical of the new Jay". Does Eloh always post early and often? I don't recall. I thought that she usually didn't get to into a game until a few days had passed, at least. These two things are what stand out to me, and neither makes me feel more Civ about Eloh.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:17 pm Alongside my sus of Jay, I think Quin is civ, I think Mac is civ, I think Sloon could have slipped saying "If I'm Civ" but I see no other signs pointing to baddie, and I am neutral on nutella although she is being kind-of mean overall.

Quin, don't let anything make you guess your coolness.

Nutella, saying things like "naw bish" doesn't make you cool. :P

And what is this love relationship going on between Mac and Nut?

Sloon, I doubt anything happened to Jay on Day 0. I think he was telling the truth.

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:58 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:52 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:36 pm I forget how to play mafia. Someone remind me.
Scumread.
Jack threw a scumread on me for a post I made before I had an alignment. I assume he did the same for others.

This gives me a townread on Jack.
Jack isn't the recruiter. I'll say that. I don't know about the rest of it since he may not have had an alignment at the time himself.
We were well into Day 1 when he started throwing these posts around. He had an alignment.
Sloonei, I am confused. Did Jack through out cum reads before or after alignments were given. I see a contradiction in your posts here.

Valid contradiction callout, I don't recall the answer, but I imagine Sloonei has already touched on it.

Couple of rapid-fire reads at the top, and Civ reads at that. Not my favourite look, it's just about the easiest thing for a baddie to do. Some fluff commentary.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:22 pm I just ready the post where Jay says he meant nothing happened in the thread. That is how I read it, but I still think nothing happened to him personally either. I am not sure anything happened to anyone on Day 0.

The last sentence is the most relevant to me. The statement of a Civilian, a Civ in the dark. Baddies may or may not have known, but Civs definitely didn't know. Can't tell if it's genuine or not, but I lean genuine.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:22 pm Let's slow down the linki here...I am trying to catch up and my eyeballs hurt

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:24 pm
K-Ness wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:50 am I'll resist the urge to get into the technical definition of reploid (pings me a bit that it was used, but it's probably just an honest mistake).

Being completely frank, I have some gut feelings on a couple of players, but I admit that I am not familiar with most of the players here. There are a few standout interactions that are pinging me, though.
Please share. Sometimes a fresh eye is what we need.

Can't fault this contribution I suppose.

Overall mildly suspicious of Elohcin.

Thanks for repeating it again, Sloon. It's not that I don't read the posts, just I guess that it's a pretty uninteresting point when all is said and done. No contradiction.

Elohcin didn't read deeply enough to understand that. Is that an indicator of evil? She was looking for an accusation to use, rather than looking for full comprehension?

I'm fine with Sloonei's explanations, I don't expect he'll be lynched today. I'll follow my suspicions with a vote on Elohcin at this time. [VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

Linki: Feel free to continue analyzing my vote for you, it's not yucky.

I'm fine with Sloonei's explanations, I don't expect he'll be lynched today. I'll follow my suspicions with a vote on Elohcin at this time. [VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

Linki: Feel free to continue analyzing my vote for you, it's not yucky.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:23 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:04 pm I suspect Speedchuck less after seeing the quote from Epi about Light and Wiley recruiting. Sloonei would then be my top suspect, but there's already votes on him. Oh well. [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

I doubt Sloonei will be lynched today. There's no way this stays as-is for the next 19 hours.
This post looks a bit different than it did in my memory, but I still want to investigate it. I don't object to LC progressing down his list of reads to arrive at me. His ambivalence towards the pre-existing votes on me doesn't need to be a concern, but I can pick out a little bit of unease there. There is a hint of concern for the optics of the vote, or at least putting his suspect in danger of being lynched. I understand as much as anyone the concern with not wanting to overwhelm the poll in one particular direction too early, but that little note of hesitation before parking his vote on his top suspect gives me cause to question his mindset.

The second paragraph is the part that I recalled as a concern. "I doubt Sloonei will be lynched today." In my memory I conflated that as "I'd prefer not to be lynched today", which I'm not seeing as clearly anymore, though I can still detect a bit of that mindset. By downplaying the likelihood that I'm going to be lynched, he is in a sense nullifying this vote: I doubt Sloonei will be lynched today, therefore this vote doesn't matter. Combined with the step of hesitation before announcing the vote, I can read this whole thing, again, as scum carefully testing the scales to see if he can get it to tip one way, while also parking a safe vote on a player who's already widely-suspected.

This is all deep speculation and not a theory that I want to run with right now (look at me, carefully testing the scales), but when I look at LC's vote I have these lingering doubts and I figure I'm better off expressing them now, if for no other reason than to make my thoughts known. I still have him as a town read.
I agree with the underlined and it is the post that is preventing me from townreading LC.

That makes it my new favourite post of the game.

The presumption being that the baddies got their alignments the moment Day 0 became Day 1, I think.

About two hours till lynch time right?

Crappy result, of course. Black Rock says Epi always gives Eloh good roles. Don't know if that's true. I don't see any way Mega Man was evil, that's just ludicrous. Sorry I missed the end of the lynch.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:53 pm
Simon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:38 am Jack, why did you vote coliniscool?
He appeared to be my most lynchable suspect at the time but I didn’t realize people were about to move/had just moved to Eloh. The perils of doing the dishes during EOD.

I'm in a similar boat. EOD was right around the time dinner was ready, and I didn't make it in time. I was surprised to see Eloh back on top, because last time I had glanced in, it seemed like most were accepting that Eloh was genuine, and moving on to Colin or nova.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:16 pm Only 90s kids will remember that Quin was the EoD counterwagon

I know that now, but I don't think it was going at the last time I checked in before the lynch.

When I posted "two hours", I was seeing a strong surge to Eloh based on some recent things she had said (I think it was about comparing JJJ's previous game in a way that was seen as false)... and I thought at the time that I was seeing the end of Day 1 forming right there. It looked really bad for Eloh, then opinions drifted away, and ultimately back to her.

I had a dream I was hooking up with Betty Cooper.

Well, that's convenient. Who wants to go through all the trouble of voting?

If there's a vigilante type Civ role, then maybe we can have a faux-lynch where we discuss who is the best target?

I would kill JJJ as a baddie.

But it wasn't me.

RIP Doogster.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

This post ignores any possible subtlety and other motivations for question-asking, and leaps straight to "false ignorance or genuine ignorance, either way I'll vote for him". The goal is more to create a weird, confusing target than anything else. Not a good look.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:28 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:21 pm Also, lynching speedchuck on day one is just straight up lazy. Come on people, we can do better than that.
I agree that things ought to be shaken up. Let's see where your Long Con thing takes us.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
I thought you promised to vote for me today.

Sloonei/Luna w/w just struck me here. Friendly non-distancing distancing.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:55 pm
Spoiler: show
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:30 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.
I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

This is sketchy, and a stretch, on the reread. It's a sktretch.

It's more wishy-washy and noncommittal than water. Are you trying to be Switzerland here? Are you trying to catch baddies or be Involved In A Discussion? You cast a vote, which I can only assume is supposed to look like pressure, and then you proceed to post with as little pressure as possible on me.

And, I just have to focus on this sexy piece of blather: "This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up." Disappointed us when it wasn't a revelation-filled-look-at-past-games kind of pattern, but just you saying you see some pattern in the four posts Luna quoted. I can look at the horse picture behind my monitors and see, in the horse group, black-black-white-black-black-black-white, and yeah that's a possible pattern, and no it doesn't mean anything. PLUS, now it's maybe-suspicious in your world to move from ignorance to understanding as time progresses? Or are you Billy Pilgrim, displaced in time and confused about how I could have understanding at one point in time, and also have ignorance at another? We live in a linear world, buddy. Also, I was never ignorant of the answers to my questions, just to reiterate.
So you claim you were attempting to set scum traps with your questions? Or just get discussion flowing? If the latter, I would rather have discussions about players and their posts and reads, than game mechanics. Discussing mechanics is always a good distraction from the more important discussions at hand.

Shallow inquisition and platitudes, still unimpressed.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:28 pm Eloh thinks i’m good and bad at the same time
Sounds like a very townie mindset. Eloh I mean.

Defending the Civ who is most under fire is a good look... to invent for yourself.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:55 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:39 am
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Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?

So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

Low Player Salad, not the worst case of Salad I have seen, but excessive. Speedchuck was low/lazy?

... Luna's last analysis post is good follow-up at least. Some suspicion, I'll follow that vote. [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

K-Ness wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:46 pm Jack's been referencing the recruitment part of the rules in a weird way, like he either didn't read the rules or is trying to bait people out (in a way, it feels like he's trying to be helpful without really adding anything). Additionally, there was the previous vote.

But if Jack were bad, why would he not add anything?

Needless to say, my intuition has always been bad, and I'm more of a late-game player anyway.

So... you mean we shouldn't listen to you?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:13 am Also the Colin vote thing what?

What does scumJack have to gain by shading Eloh and then jumping off the Eloh train right before she’s mislynched without saying anything about it?

He could say he tried to save a Civ. The gain being looking like someone who tried to save Mega Man. Also, defining what is "gained" is, to me, a red herring. Acting unsure is gain enough, to a baddie. This defense is terribly shoddy, and I agree with Kness that you are suspicious.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:26 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:20 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:13 am Also the Colin vote thing what?

What does scumJack have to gain by shading Eloh and then jumping off the Eloh train right before she’s mislynched without saying anything about it?
He could say he tried to save a Civ. The gain being looking like someone who tried to save Mega Man. Also, defining what is "gained" is, to me, a red herring. Acting unsure is gain enough, to a baddie. This defense is terribly shoddy, and I agree with Kness that you are suspicious.
But I never said I was trying to save Eloh or that I thought Eloh was good.

This offense is lame.

Also, Mac said I was towncore.

Mac is fallible.

Why would you have to say something when your actions say it just fine? Only a noob baddie needs to point out his attempts to look Civ.

Simon is town because the very first nightkill was his mother.

Trippin', sorry.

I looked at Alien's ISO, and it's almost totally a focus on Sloonei with some, to me, stretchy reasons. Once you get past the plentiful small talk. I didn't really get a town feel from Alien, but he hasn't posted since Sunday now, so who knows?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:25 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:48 pm Trippin', sorry.
On a Wednesday?!

Wacky Wednesdays... you don't have those down there?

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:04 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:00 am
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:56 am Just checking in before work, love how I’m being set up for an easy bandwagon by a bunch of people who know nothing about me. I also don’t see how it’s okay to point out someone is online and reading the thread when their activity is set to hidden. I often check from my phone and hate posting from it so tend not to, and specifically chose to not show as online so that people couldn’t act like that means anything.
I agree that you should not be lynched. Do you have any recommendations for who that honor should go to instead?
I have a few ideas but I’m literally just about to leave for work so don’t have time to go into anything.

Hey, I have basically read up to this point, and I have to go back to work at a catering job until after the lynch so my vote now will be final. IT's currently 6-5 Spoons-Lunes. I don't really feel like I suspect Sloonei so I'll stay the course on the other train.

Yesss.... thrilled about that result. Great stuff, everyone!

Nah, Long Con is getting Nked tonight. I have foreseen it.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:34 am@Long Con talk to me about Luna’s scummates

Simon is probably bad. Still some lingering Jack suspicion for me. Maybe Marmot? How many inactives do we have now?

Could be right. How does sprityo/Lunalee look?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:25 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:19 pm I'm not on board with the Simon sussers atm, it feels like the wrong direction to take.

He wouldn't need a coach to make those posts anyways, and I don't find his posts inherently suspicious.
I thought the suspicion was more about how luna treated him than anything he said himself.

I thought the late placement of his vote on Luna was concerning.

K-Ness wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:46 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:07 pm
K-Ness wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:59 pmLong Con gave no indication of his feelings towards Luna, only voting for her because he felt sloonei wasn't bad. He had the opportunity to push on sloonei if he wanted to try to bolster Luna's defenses and didn't take it. Makes me lean town on him. Especially when you factor in his mistake of thinking Elohcin was the first night kill. It's just a slip I don't see a mafia member making in the game.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 14#p484714

That's the post where I voted for Luna, pretty early in the day. You are just looking at my last comment before the vote.

I am Undisputed Master of the Townslip.

I am on my phone, obviously I had a slight miscalculation on how that post would look.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:57 pm Quin - Called Luna out before anyone else. Would most certainly have lead her wagon on Day 2 had he been able to post. He's actually really good at mafia, guys. Basically he is confirmed town now.

Dyslexicon - God damn bulldozed their way into the thread from the get go. Dizzy was obviously keeping up as a spectator and I don't get the impression that momentum was ruined by a scum role card which would effectively mean throwing their reads in the garbage.
Alien - Had a good conversation with him on Day 1 about Sloonei's ISO's which left me thinking he wasn't just forcing that opinion to stick. His activity has completely dropped since then. Typically scum struggle to integrate themselves at the start of a game, but I don't believe the opposite is true. I don't think his sudden absence is AI, especially since he hasn't really gained much attention.
sprityo - I've never seen sprityo tunnel this hard before. I also think it makes him town.

Kylemii - He's been vocal enough that I felt I should place him.

Sloonei - "this is just my opinion but i think the case against sloonei seems like it's made out of weird garbage???" - Kylemii, 2018. I think he's a potential Luna teammate though. He responded to my case on her with stuff about her defending him because of an emotional connection, but that doesn't explain the lie she told me (which I think he would have realised) as well as the fact that I've never seen a syndicate couple do so (well, except ikawolf). He also proposed a sprityo CFD yesterday, which isn't great. Putting him the slightest shade of green to deter people from lynching him based on yesterday because basically your case sucks and mine rules.

Dom - Pepper-posting Dom is not abnormal. But I also couldn't remember anything he's said without checking his ISO and none of it makes me feel strongly one way or another. Withholding judgment.
Marmot - He's here but... Nothing to say.
DFaraday - Nothing to say.
DrWilgy - Nothing to say.
Simon - Nothing to say.
Soneji - Nothing to say.

Long Con - see Kylemii.
Turnip Head - He kept suggesting a nova wagon yesterday but there's nothing to suggest he really meant it. He called nova and Luna w/w but thought it best to lynch nova first despite all the Luna traction. Meh.

Jack - Only real beef is the vote switch at EoD1 which he's explained well enough. I haven't completely dropped it but I don't think it's worth pressing either. He was cryptic about his reasons for town reading me though which is a treat
K-Ness - He's having trouble integrating himself. Not super unexpected coming from another site but it's now Day 4 and I have absolutely no idea what he's up to besides pointing out a few pings.
nova - Hated his Day 1 vote and have yet to see anything from him I like.
Bullzeye - Found something disingenuous about his push on Sloonei for his post about why Mac was killed. His argument was that mafia are NKing town leaders, when Sloonei himself is a town leader. Mac could very well have been killed with it's implications for Sloonei being a town birds one stone deal and Bullzeye may be ignoring this.
speedchuck - Here because of Luna interactions. Strongly think Luna was defending him on Day 1 without any substance. He's either a teammate or a poor victim of Luna buddying. I haven't seen his interactions with her yet though.

On one hand I'm like "What the hell, I get lumped with Kylemii and yet he's green while I'm some orange-brick??" then another part of me says "Wow, entitled much? You've been green on 99% of peoples' lists so far dude. F off." and then a tentacle demon who lives in my soul says "Let's form our own Indy team and decide on a personal Win Condition" but all in all, thanks for the suspicion, Quin. Really, I'd much rather have suspicion than all this agreement that I'm Civ. Come on people, it's Long Con, he loves to trick everyone all the time! I can't wait to see the look on your faces... I wish. I wish I could bottle and store this next time I'm bad.

[mention]nutella[/mention] the site is down right now; sorry you couldn't use the puke Smiley. My host shut down, and I procrastinated past the deadline. Now I have to get a new host and get it back online.

So, looking through sprityo's ISO, he's being ridiculously friendly, and really sticking to the schtick so far. I don't like it, it might be designed to disarm us and view him as a friend. Is that far-fetched?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:56 pm Friend sloonei, I want to believe in you, but im also having a hard time understanding how you go from defending yourself, to ISO walls, to text walls defending yourself again. The ISOs just cluttered my head trying to read through and I didnt necessarily see any congruent pattern/reason to them. But it looks like your hard work has paid off, your persistence on the truth has prevailed! It would appear though that the three voting you havent returned/wont return. I should see why theyre voting you, although i remember you saying yourself "nutella has provided why shes voting me" or something close to that. People are also talking about Eloh being suspicious but i cant recall anything shes said to be present really! Can someone just point to me exactly the post where Eloh is looking bad?

Just, this whole post... what the hell even is it? Read it through, and decide how much says absolutely nothing. And, for a single paragraph, it really jumps around in context, despite the confusing "But it looks like your hard work has paid off, your persistence on the truth has prevailed!" Like, is this a joke that I just am not getting?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:56 am
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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:19 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:05 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:42 pm I assumed Mac was just doing his usual antagonistic thing with me at first but now he seems to be sincerely riding the "everything Sloonei does is bad" train, I assume because it worked in Greece. But here it's all just fart butter and I wouldn't care about it one bit if it wasn't directed at me.

I'd prefer not to spend the rest of the phase defending myself though. Haters can hate. I'm a player, and players play.
There are several other people suspicious of you. You have been suspicious. Fart butter is a better description of your play than mine.
I refer only to your suspicion as fart butter. I’m not sure what its origins are or even what the main points are. You’ve just been highlighting posts of mine and saying “bad” because that worked in Ancient Greece. Nutella substantiated her read. LC did as well, even though I think part of that is a misunderstanding. Colin is bad. Jack’s a wildcard. You’re jusr dragging suspicion out of everything I say and it’s exhausting to try to address that at every point.

I stopped my analysis because i’m in school now and I have work to do and should also probably go to sleep at some point.

Nutella and LC substantiated their reads?

How much substantiation does a day 1 case require to not be fart butter?

Let's talk about Colin more because I agree with you.
Correction! mac has agreed with sloonei about colin and also has voiced a suspicion of eloh. although he just hasnt changed his vote either. how odd

This one gives me suspicious feelings. I feel like he should be whistling innocently at the end.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:46 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:42 pm k
i also don't like eloh this game rn
you'll be in agreement with others once youre caught up!

Uncomfortable push of the Elohcin wagon. I just don't like it.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:05 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:54 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:52 am So, what are we dealing with here? Closed setup, and we don't even know which roles are on the bad team.

So, what is the method of catching someone on Day 1? Ask questions and hope someone slips up?
Create a whirlwind of a thread by facilitating maximal activity. Ask questions, make comments, and hurl accusations at every opportunity. The thread needs to be a pressured and even stressful environment.

I ain’t got no time fo’ dat today so y’all get busy.
So in other words, "y'all get started and get the dirty work done and I will come back in here before the vote and make my assessment on which bandwagon I should jump on." Sounds bad to me. My first accusation is on YOU. Not only just this post. But, this post was given at12:54am. You then go on posting frequently until 3:08am. That is over 2 hours. And you have no time to ask questions, make comments, hurl accusations? There was no opportunity for that? Then you must have slept or something because you came back in the early pm posting exactly 9 hours later. At 1:48pm you talk about what you will do once you feel like actually playing the game. Again, you post frequently for 1 hour (1:48pm-2:42pm) not really saying anything. I do NOT like Jay in Mega-Man, I do not like him, Sam-I-Am.

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@Jack - I always post early on and often. I just don't often say much game related crap because I am too busy trying to keep up with the reading in the little bit of time I have to devote to mafia.

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out of 7 posts this must be the one! I will say it looks forced, yes. nothing about this seems to flow smoothly.

Too many words. That is how i would see it. It looks suspicious yes, but eloh has now dropped off the radar. Do you interpret that as intentional or not?

These reasons are so subjective and weak. And finishing with the leading question... just ugly. I'm done, and I'm voting sprityo. [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

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