The Syndicate

They sure are! I went with Space, so hopefully some more masculine types will come along for the heretofore unchosen themes.

This is a game where Epi, Sokoth, and Rej start Day 1 with an extra vote!

Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:00 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:11 am

Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:05 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:37 am So cats has exactly 4: nutella, Kyle, me, bwt. Looking good. Not understanding the Space thing though.

@Rej welcome to the syndicate mafia!

Thanks Juliet!

Why you don't understand the space thing? I want to see galaxies and stars inside my cubicle. It also counts in space-cats.

The thing I don't understand is the instructions in the OP says the selections have to be spread evenly or there will be consequences. Space has 7 people voting for it (when I last looked) so that's too many. Go back to her explanation from her in the OP, I'm probably not explaining it well.

Oh it was the very last note on that add. WU. Got it! But what if I insist on wanting space?

If you want my *legal* Space-spot, then we can make a deal. What will you do for me if I move to Cars?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:38 pm Dragomir
Epignosis
MacDougall
Oreki
SokothQultuq

Civilians

Not you. You don't get that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:55 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:38 pm Dragomir
Epignosis
MacDougall
Oreki
SokothQultuq

Civilians

Not you. You don't get that.

Oh it's civ LC. I've never seen him so clearly before.

I'm usually trapped in a blur.

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 12:14 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 11:59 am Isn't Mac just listing the people who got assessed a vote for not voting correctly? I didn't take his post seriously.

Meanwhile we have to vote for someone today and it's going to be hard if people aren't posting content. So far nobody has said anything I can make a read off of yet. Does anyone have anything they think looks suspicious?

Today is my birthday by the way and I'm in another game too so I will be in and out.

Happy birthday!
I am suspicious of this Mac guy for now, because of the way he entered this day phase. He either knows something or he plays with us. I see it as a not wisemove to list yourself as town, that way he might approach us to trust him, but the nr 1 rule is not to trust anyone. I would vote off someone like him, so I expect him to tell us why he lists himself as town and this while we have no information.

That's funny, I'm the only person on my town list right now.

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:19 am I went sleep and came back and that's it? It is day one if I am correct and the people above me actually fluffed? Am I reading that correctly?

Wait, what is fluffing in this context?

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 1:16 pm Honestly, that's something I wouldn't mind exploring further. The hostess clearly stated that there needed to be an equal number of votes for each option. Are we really going to believe that 7 people just didn't read that clarification?

If I have time this afternoon, I want to go back and explore that.

Three people... the first four to vote were as legit as the rest of you, and not in danger of punishment. One of the three, Epi, already said he got drunk and forgot.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:32 pm no point in shaking the bees nest if there's no bees in it

There is depending on if you think you might find bees or honey.

To be fair, Day 1s usually have very little to go on. Isn't it better to be as transparent as possible from the get go?

I prefer Kyle's methods. Catch people off-guard with some bold moves.

[mention]sabie12[/mention] Where you at? What do you think of Kylemii's performance here?

... should have looked at the linki. Hi Sabes!

Sokoth didn't look too bad with his questions. I could look at it with an extra-suspicious lens and say that he was too concerned about how Kyle knew what he knew, which looks bad.

I agree, I'm also going to [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:37 pm So the poll would be ending soon then. The thing between kyle and creature is interesting.

First real post. Based on the "interesting" tell, she basically came out right here and said, "I am mafia."

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:41 pm Just that kyle seemed so sure creature is bad and took awhile to explain where that thought came from. And creature thinks kyle is some other person. It was weird. Also hi LC! People actually do call me sabbz haha.

Idk maybe kyle is just trying to put pressure on creature and get some conversation going

Asked to elaborate, she just lists basic facts about the situation. "It was weird." Oh, that explains the first comment with more clarity.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm How did I not answer why I thought it was weird? Kyle is all over the place being like I'm not gonna read anything and then explaining what the rule is then accusing creature out of nowhere who had assumed they knew them from some other site. It's a strange interaction. What response are you looking for?
I think either one of them could be bad because they're both acting weird but I'm really not familiar with either of them or their play style. Mac has been uncharacteristically quiet this game.

First part: unsatisfying.

Pink part: Wishy-washy attempt to keep the "one is bad" train alive.

Teal part: Rando-jab out at Mac.

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I just don't really like any of her posts all that much.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:51 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:50 pm I agree, I'm also going to [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine.

Why?

Creature demands justification from someone voting in his favor.

Why could that be?

It could be because he wants to hold everyone to account, including the ones who agree with him?

Great catch on that Player Salad from Creature. Huge black mark on his record for that.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:14 am That's not a mafia tell.

Nice try, though.

I've seen it work enough times to want to find out.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:52 am

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:14 am That's not a mafia tell.

Nice try, though.

Naw fam, it's worked several times on this forum. So it's legit.

It's not just a fun party trick either. It displays the mindset of a mafia member who wants to cast aspersion on several targets at once - casting a wide (but not too wide!) net to see what catches on. "A, B, C, and maybe D" is the recognized standard construction of a Player Salad tell. I believe that classically, one of the mentioned players is the Salad-maker's teammate. We shall see.

Usually nights are a bit quieter than days here, but people still use them to hash out ideas and suspicions.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:05 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:57 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:52 am

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:14 am That's not a mafia tell.

Nice try, though.

Naw fam, it's worked several times on this forum. So it's legit.

It's not just a fun party trick either. It displays the mindset of a mafia member who wants to cast aspersion on several targets at once - casting a wide (but not too wide!) net to see what catches on. "A, B, C, and maybe D" is the recognized standard construction of a Player Salad tell. I believe that classically, one of the mentioned players is the Salad-maker's teammate. We shall see.

The way I view it is that a mafia trying to keep their options open to jump on a possible mislynch that could form without having to do much pushing or tunneling. Of course they'd put a buddy who is being incriminated in the DP in that list, but that's just for distancing.

I've actually done it myself a lot of times as mafia thinking about it now.

And Creature being so hasty to dismiss it isn't a good look either.

Oreki wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:31 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:05 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:05 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:57 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:52 am

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:14 am That's not a mafia tell.

Nice try, though.

Naw fam, it's worked several times on this forum. So it's legit.

It's not just a fun party trick either. It displays the mindset of a mafia member who wants to cast aspersion on several targets at once - casting a wide (but not too wide!) net to see what catches on. "A, B, C, and maybe D" is the recognized standard construction of a Player Salad tell. I believe that classically, one of the mentioned players is the Salad-maker's teammate. We shall see.

The way I view it is that a mafia trying to keep their options open to jump on a possible mislynch that could form without having to do much pushing or tunneling. Of course they'd put a buddy who is being incriminated in the DP in that list, but that's just for distancing.

I've actually done it myself a lot of times as mafia thinking about it now.

And Creature being so hasty to dismiss it isn't a good look either.

You're way too much passive here, I mean honestly, you keep agreeing with Drago. I'm new I don't know how you start your game but that passiveness is not really townies at all

I'm in a sort of lazier Mafia-ing part of my life right now, actually. It's NAI.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 12:32 pm Maybe having multiple scumreads is a mafia tell on this community, but where I come from it widely comes from town (and mafia imitating town). Saying that is a mafia tell would be actually a mafia tell to jump on something completely stupid.

Multiple scumreads does not equal Player Salad.

RIP Kyle. He did switch his attention to a vote for Wilgy, but it wasn't that serious that scum!Wilgy would have felt threatened. Did I use that right? Scum!Wilgy means a Wilgy who is scum?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:30 pm this is the part where we lynch Creature

Why do we do that?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:30 pm this is the part where we lynch Creature

Why do we do that?

For once can the answer just be "because I am pretty sure he is bad"? Like just for once?

Yes. [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Juliets is correct about everything, I am not bad. Just at work right now so not a lot of talk time.

Creature was my main suspect going into today because of the player salad catch. That made it easy, when Mac said please just vote for him, to vote for him. I agree at this point that there has been little opposition , sort of... Or you could say that there has been much opposition ... due to little opposition.

I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.

To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:01 pm Poo, still no consensus and I have to go. I understand it, since there are still a couple hours left, but still, poo.

I'm waffling between a Mac-Wilgy-Oreki team and an LC-Wilgy-Oreki team. I prefer leaving my vote on Wilgy, who I feel more sure about, rather than choosing between Mac and LC. However, my Wilgy vote accomplishes nothing by its lonesome... and Mac and LC both have votes already, so my vote would have a chance to accomplish something.

Meh. I'm going to take another couple minutes.

This is kind of lame. So your big idea is that the whole baddie team is voting for Creature for some reason. Are we supposed to take that seriously?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:37 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.

To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.

I thought about that too LC.

And now we get Epignosis coming in late on the Creature train, either not knowing or not caring about the suspicion that is seeding for Creature voters. Does he get to be on the baddie team as well, indiglo?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:52 pm My suspicion on Long Con remains firm.

That's nice, but I'm still not bad. I'd say indiglo is looking not too great.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:44 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:33 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:52 pm My suspicion on Long Con remains firm.

That's nice, but I'm still not bad. I'd say indiglo is looking not too great.

Why so?

Actually, on second thought, I will reevaluate indi. Her theory that all the voters for Creature were scum rankled me, but I don't know now if that fits in with any sort of scum game.

It's funny, when I get mostly proven Civ in another game, people jump through hoops to believe that Long Con is Way Too Clever and is pulling a fast one on all of us. Like I'm plans-within-plans superdevious. Kind of refreshing to be accused of being a baddie with such a sloppy no-plan.

Ok hi, first of all, I'm not even in on this "framing" plan you paranoid maniac. RIP Epignosis. Pretty unlikely that I night kill Epignosis at all, but that's just some true meta that you don't have to believe unless you already understand this. I'm not really putting that in as a defense, but it's the truth. It's not sporting. Epi is only fun to lynch.

indiglo wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.

To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.

So, you're saying here that Mac happens to have an alignment checker role. On Night 1, he happened to alignment check Creature, and he happened to hit the jackpot and found out Creature was mafia? See, I think that's kind of lame.

I wouldn't normally think it was lame, because I generally think it's wise to posit any and all theories. But you said mine was lame, and yours is on the same level, so I'm calling it lame too.

You are a cool lady. And goddamn right my plan was lame. Yes, I suspected Creature for the innocent Player Salad. Mac's request though...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:30 pm this is the part where we lynch Creature

Why do we do that?

For once can the answer just be "because I am pretty sure he is bad"? Like just for once?

Yes. [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Sorry, Mac, but where I come from there are consequences for this kind of thing.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Wait, also, indi: I red-checked Jack on Night 1 in my last game... so I don't think it's far-fetched for an info role to "hit the jackpot" on Night 1. I think it's a stretch for you to suggest that it is ridiculously unlikely.

Jesus, rereading your sentence with three "happens to" phrases in it is just troubling to me. As in, you are kinda going over the top into agenda-ville with the propaganda level.

No, you asked me to vote No Questions Asked. How are you not a marked man in my books now?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.

To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.

I didn't.

This is the part where I clearly told you I did not have information.

There has to be consequences for you making that request of me.

Lazy? Lazy? I asked you why vote Creature. You want to lecture me for being lazy?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:57 pm I was lazy then. You are being lazy now. You are taking the cheap route putting your vote on me right now.

Talking consequences, do you actually think I am bad?

Yeah.... you just like to crow about your baddie achievements, like the NEVER FORGET image, and I just keep seeing you in the future, "how about that time that I got Long Con to help me lynch a Civ just by asking nice?" So easy to see.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 1:06 am [VOTE: juliets] aubergine

I'm feeling generous to LC at the moment. Part of it is that I am tempted to believe his thing about epi even though it could easily be wifom, and part of it is his indignation toward Mac feels legit. I think it's very possible he and Mac are both town here.

Well that's mighty neighbourly of you, nutella. Truly, the first image that comes to my head when talking nightkill and Epignosis, is him smirking in self-satisfaction, "Once again, they prove that I'm superior, too dangerous to leave alive." And when I'm a baddie, I'm not down with that. It's not as ironclad as playing with Black Rock (my wife, for the newcomers), when an early nightkill is damn well proof that I'm not on that baddie team. I wouldn't use my pride to argue against baddie teammates who have valid/urgent reasons to kill Epi.

Maybe Mac is town. Maybe he's bad in [this game](?) and buddying me in [this game](?), and I'm his fool. Did I mention playing fuelled by pride? I dunno. I don't want a therapy session, just some lucky Mafia hits!

Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 12:49 pm Woops this forum sometimes bugs while trying to send a message.

@juliets What I wanted to add is it's fine I got it, RealLife over MafiaLife, no need for spoiling your troubles. What I just thought is you said you additionally became active after dying in another game, which gave some halfassed vibes. Sorry for that, else I am fine for now.

Becoming more active in one game after dying in the other... seems like an obvious normal thing to happen. You think it's alignment-indicative?

Okay, looks like it's probably going to be Wilgy, but if things change I'm placing my vote on Indiglo, if anyone wants to join me there. I won't be able to be back until after the Lynch.

Hi Sabie, I'm sorry we lynched you and I hope your new role is cool.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 6:31 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 6:23 pm I just wrote a half case and it got deleted, I cry q.q

Short summary:
Mac profits from Drago kill
Oreki profits from Drago kill
Matahari profits in no way from Drago kill
BWT leaning town
juliets unsure
Long Con/Nutella/Sabie12 one of them might be Wolf

Rej, I would have to see your cases tomorrow.
Drago called Mata bad so why wouldn't she profit from his death?
Drago also called you bad, so don't you profit from his death?
Why does Oreki profit from his death?

I want to hear answers to these questions

Good summary, juliets. I believe nutella could be a baddie who found herself aligning with Drago easily over the Day 1 lynch, and has been buddying him hard ever since.

One one hand, it would make no sense for the mafia to nightkill their good buddy, but on the other hand, proving he's Civ by killing him could strengthen bad nutella's position.

So sorry, my day also took a turn for the worse and I was unable to be here.

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 11:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 8:18 am I am also pretty suspicious of Rej right now. Dude hasn't stuck solid on his reads at all as far as I can tell.

I got lost inbetween that's how I reason my lackluster reads. I couldn't have my eyes on every player because I am confronted with some next level plays in here. Putting your FOS on me is justified, but I also consider myself being now the easiest lynch for scum to break into LYLO/MYLO and take this home.

Creature mocks our primitive, simple Mafia minds, while Rej praises our next-level plays.

I got two sets of instructions that last night