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Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:32 pm This looks boring.

Wanna play chess?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:03 pm I hate it when I shave and miss a spot.

MAybe that is the spot that you would have cut yourself and gotten an infection and died.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:42 pm Also-- why didn't anyone like my sonnet? I haven't played in a while and I WANT ATTENTION!

I totally liked it but said nothing because I wasn't sure if maybe you were just upstaging my haiku.

Also, Time Travel would be such a big issue, dammit Barry, so why can't we all just vote for Giant Monsters like reasonable people?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:52 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:57 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:32 pm This looks boring.

Wanna play chess?

1. d4

2. d5

Hello, just want you guys to know that I won't be around much this weekend. Food truck event all day Fri-Sat-Sun, I may pop in on my phone if it's not busy.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:26 pmSo Long Con, haven’t seen you much yet this game. What are your thoughts thusfar?

Haven't read the last few pages yet. I saw Michelle tried to shade me for the chess, and Dom said he'd vote for me if it continued... those things are sketchy to me, chess isn't alignment-indicative. I don't really have a solid opinion on most people at this time.

1. d4 d5
2. e4 dxe4

Well let's call a spade a spade and a shade a shade here. You said I was trying to divert attention elsewhere, I don't know a reason why a civilian would do that, so, you are accusing me of being bad.

I get that this isn't yet the hill you want to die on or anything, but that is what you did. I have no intention of distracting from the game with this chess, it's just a cool thing that I think could be fun.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:33 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:19 pm I don't know what to think about Drag.

I figured you of all people would know what to think about drag.

Ah... *kisses finger and thumb tips like Chef Boyardee* Beautiful.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:18 pm Okay, so this is a "bait post" now:

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:19 pm Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:11 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:40 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:33 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:20 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:19 pm Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

It's only 4 pages to read...

I expect more help from a "fellow civillian".

It's literally all the help I can offer, as I haven't read them.

I skimmed through and I had hard times getting reads, so my question, was my civillian way of getting either a short summary or get other reactions out.
A bad guy here would take the most convienient answer to my question just to show activity.

Here, Rej acknowledges that his question could have been "bait."

The key here is thus:

Provide a short summary = Civilian
Give a convenient answer to show activity = Mafia

Forgive me Rej, but does that actually work? You indicate that it does:

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:46 pm So again a civillian, especially one who hasn't cought up himself is telling me to read it myself. I still think it was timmer's convenient way in bringing his own DP forward to look like civillian. I tend to never townread people like him and it's often correct.

I almost never do this, because usually I don't care, but maybe this time it's worth it:

Rej, can you cite other scenarios in which this specific variety of "bait" caught bad guys?

I am down with this. "I tend to never townread people like him and it's often correct." That's the part that is either provably correct or a crock of poop. Nitty-gritty this mofo. Pony up.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:23 pm To be more precise, I'm looking for something in a somewhat similar vein of this exchange:

Rej: Can someone sum up things for me?
Andre 3000: Man, ain't but four pages. Get yo lazy ass on and read them things yo self.
Rej: Andre 3000 is not a civilian. Lynch him.

People lynch Andre 3000

Dead Andre 3000: Damn, damn, damn , damn (trumpet plays).

Civilians rejoice: "Hooray! Scholarships and candy for Rej! And a plate of yams with extra syrup!"

This post is ice cold. All right all right all right all right all right all right all right all right all right

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:42 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:08 am

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:44 pmi'm bored.

e4

you sunk my battleship

I think we should all take a step back and stop, drop, and roll at this time because you guys are ON FIRE with these posts!!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:06 am The most useful thing to do at this point, I suppose, would be to ask what we would be doing if Rej was not on the poll.

This actually makes me feel a bit suspicious of you... it's like, an easy standard thing to say to earn your "Productive Civ" badge. I don't even think this is your usual MO. This sounds like a Sloonei/JJJ kind of thing. Not an Epi thing. You're bad. No one will believe that. Oh well, at least your wit is sharp. Maybe suspiciously sharp.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:59 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:13 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:57 am @Michelle tell us about yourself as a mafia player. Where do you come from, what’s your strategy? What are you looking for or looking at in this game right now? Does anyone or anything stand out?

I played one alias game with Michelle and I also believe she was in the Champs game with the representative from PerC, which I followed.

I would definitely recommend lynching Michelle at all costs.

Are you a rock? Which one?

Also doesn't look good how happy you are to lynch at random

I did not take Dizzy's request for your lynch seriously. Not sure it deserves any serious alignment-read.

Nah, it doesn't feel like a joke on this end, Ep. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

1. d4 d5
2. e4 dxe4
3. Nc3 f5

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:20 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:08 pm Jack isn't being funny. He's bad.

You sometimes read people on humor too? or was that a joke?

Be very careful how you answer this...

I agree with the observations on Epi, and Epi's Lunalee case is also convincing. I could see them being i/w.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:28 amI’m not familiar enough with the gambit to know nonstandard lines so this might go off the rails pretty quickly.

1. d4 d5
2. e4 dxe4
3. Nc3 f5
4. Bf4 h6

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:46 am Neee to read the whole set up...

How's it going with the read, Poison?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:47 am Long Con and Sloonei are big shadow monsters here

Yeah, it's true. I'll do what I can.

I screwed up the chess game... using a board to track the moves because I'm not Sherlock Holmes, and I thought a move had been made that wasn't... now I'm going to lose some pieces because of it.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

1. d4 d5
2. e4 dxe4
3. Nc3 f5
4. Bf4 h6
5. Qh5+ Kd7

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:07 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:47 am Long Con and Sloonei are big shadow monsters here

Yeah, it's true. I'll do what I can.

I screwed up the chess game... using a board to track the moves because I'm not Sherlock Holmes, and I thought a move had been made that wasn't... now I'm going to lose some pieces because of it.

@TonyStarkPrime

1. d4 d5
2. e4 dxe4
3. Nc3 f5
4. Bf4 h6
5. Qh5+ Kd7

LC, I'm getting a little concerned. So much chess, so little digging. Can you provide some thoughts about the game?

I know, I know... chess is fast, Mafia takes my precious time.

I might need more of a case against nutella than "she called for more posting action". I'd still vote for Epi, him saying I can do so reeks of false bravado to me.

I think Luna is Civ. She sounds genuine to me, and I think Epi's "4 things" are contrived. Also, Luna's "maybe we can get info from my vote train" rang true to me. I know it's overdone and all, but [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine.

I also kind of think Epi is Zola Malfeazium, and every faction needs her to be dead if they want to win.

Can't hurt. I'll look through Epi's posts tonight to see if I see anything. He might have soft-revealed a green peek or two as well, but [VOTE: Luna] aubergine seems very solid.

Do you think Jack was recruited? There could be 0 to 4 recruits right now. Nigh impossible to know though.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

1. d4 d5
2. e4 dxe4
3. Nc3 f5
4. Bf4 h6
5. Qh5+ Kd7
6. d5 Nf6

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:04 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:40 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:02 pm That's a rough night.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:09 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

it wasn't me

you sunk my battleship

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:36 am Okay we’re lynching Luna today. If anyone has a reason not to lynch Luna speak now.

Seeing as the day’s plan is clear, let’s try to not waste the day and pretend Luna has just died and we’re doing night 3 analysis, seeing that the thread is locked during night 3.

If Luna flips scum I think Creature is the obvious target day 4 but I don’t think that’s the right one.

The player who wants to look very Civ will sternly advise us to play the rest of the Day as though Luna were not on the table.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]
1. d4 d5
2. e4 dxe4
3. Nc3 f5
4. Bf4 h6
5. Qh5+ Kd7
6. d5 Nf6
7. Qxf5+ Ke8

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:06 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:43 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:36 am Okay we’re lynching Luna today. If anyone has a reason not to lynch Luna speak now.

Seeing as the day’s plan is clear, let’s try to not waste the day and pretend Luna has just died and we’re doing night 3 analysis, seeing that the thread is locked during night 3.

If Luna flips scum I think Creature is the obvious target day 4 but I don’t think that’s the right one.

The player who wants to look very Civ will sternly advise us to play the rest of the Day as though Luna were not on the table.

Hello that’s me. Is that me?

It could have been you. I guess we'll never know now. Maybe that makes it me.

1. d4 d5
2. e4 dxe4
3. Nc3 f5
4. Bf4 h6
5. Qh5+ Kd7
6. d5 Nf6
7. Qxf5+ Ke8
8. Qg6+ Kd7

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:05 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:43 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:36 am Okay we’re lynching Luna today. If anyone has a reason not to lynch Luna speak now.

Seeing as the day’s plan is clear, let’s try to not waste the day and pretend Luna has just died and we’re doing night 3 analysis, seeing that the thread is locked during night 3.

If Luna flips scum I think Creature is the obvious target day 4 but I don’t think that’s the right one.

The player who wants to look very Civ will sternly advise us to play the rest of the Day as though Luna were not on the table.

Yo Long Con, who would you lynch today if I were not an option?

Probably not Jack.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

I concede. I thought my queen's knight was already out on the fourth move because I was looking ahead a few moves and forgot the board state. I can see I'm toast.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:52 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:45 am Listen-- I;m cool with a lunalee or jack lynch, but i don't see the jack pushback

why lynch Jack? I really don't see it.

This is a really good post. Either Luna is a dedicated Civ, or playing with fire as a baddie.

However, I am really sure that Epi made the big case on Luna because he red-peeked her, and that's how you do it in a no-infodropping game. The fact that his points against her were, to me, varying levels of weak, only strengthens that belief.

So now we are seeing Luna defend Jack. Perhaps we are meant, post-baddie-Luna-lynch, to conclude that Jack is bad. Maybe that's her play here.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:39 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:45 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:36 am Okay we’re lynching Luna today. If anyone has a reason not to lynch Luna speak now.

Seeing as the day’s plan is clear, let’s try to not waste the day and pretend Luna has just died and we’re doing night 3 analysis, seeing that the thread is locked during night 3.

If Luna flips scum I think Creature is the obvious target day 4 but I don’t think that’s the right one.

I'd rather she be vigged. She's practically confirmed scum in everyone's eyes based on a possible red peek. I don't really see any info her lynch could gain so she's better off vigged while others who provide more info should be lynched.

I just saw a very good movie with Brad Pitt and then I have to come read this and be like “that seems dumb but maybe?” and then I have to go check the role list and find out that the mafia has a doctor so maybe that’s just not the best idea in the world.

But yes in theory in a setup with dumping and all vanilla roles except 1 shot cop and 1 shot vig the vig waits on the cop night 1 and then takes the shot night 2 if necessary. I think. Discuss.

I liked Brad as Achilles in Troy. Super-awesome.

Why is a lynch better than a vig shot for gaining info, when roles are revealed by night and by day?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:20 am by the way mafia is killing active players and that means long con is bad

Excuse me? Where do you get that logic from? That is absolutely not my way, the integrity and fun and challenge of the game is a lot more important to me than winning or losing, and leaving a bunch of low posters in the game is not the atmosphere I wish to foster as any alignment. I do not kill the active players when I'm mafia.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:12 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:43 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:20 am by the way mafia is killing active players and that means long con is bad

Excuse me? Where do you get that logic from?

i made it up

the thing about mafia killing the active posters is true though.

RIP Doctor and Vigilante. That sucks. BUT Luna was Zola, and everyone rejoiced, right? We can all put aside our differences and raise a glass to that evil role being gone. Thank you, Epi!

Owner, Creature, no. Take a step back, and come back trying harder.

If anyone wants to win, there's a good chance they needed Luna dead. Even a team playing a near-perfect game would be sandbagged by her in the end. It's a cruel role, a backstabbing win-stealer.

I don't get why you are taking my celebration of Zola's death and shaming me for not respecting the gravity of the situation. What are you, the fun police?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:38 pm If anyone wants to win, there's a good chance they needed Luna dead. Even a team playing a near-perfect game would be sandbagged by her in the end. It's a cruel role, a backstabbing win-stealer.

I don't get why you are taking my celebration of Zola's death and shaming me for not respecting the gravity of the situation. What are you, the fun police?

Why are you defensive? That is unnecessary.

I don't really think I was. However, calling someone out as "defensive" IS something I have used before, as mafia, to shade a player. (Epi am I using that word wrong?)

I just not sure if I can really be celebrating when I haven't lynched a single mafia member yet.

You just feel calmer than I would expect from another town player. You could very well be town here, but lots of scum do slip a calm mentality when they are ahead.

That is not something I have experienced. I don't think that's a thing.

That's a possibility that I still intend to explore, because sometimes scum will post RIP posts because of guilt.

That, I have seen before. I've played Mafia for a while. Long enough to not post RIP posts out of guilt. I mean, I've had this conversation before, more than once. I sometimes post RIP posts.

Still, I don't know if that would be nai for you or not.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:42 pm Wait, wait, wait.

I died Night 2.

It's now Day 4.

I died on page 21.

It is now page 24, and a bunch of those are Chess posts.

Are any fucks being given at all?

I think the Schrodinger's Red Peek on Luna might have created some complacency... and it just turns out to be unhelpful for votes going forward.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:47 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:36 pm Can't hurt. I'll look through Epi's posts tonight to see if I see anything. He might have soft-revealed a green peek or two as well, but [VOTE: Luna] aubergine seems very solid.

I don't see how any of this could have been possible given that only one relevant Night phase occurred between the very first post and death.

Yeah... it felt later?

Dat Dom player salad tho.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:00 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:29 am

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:59 pm I'm cool with dragomir, lunalee or nutella going. Maybe creature.

Salad! I found it Creature I figured it out it’s this.

Lol gottem

Tony finding it looks good on him as well, to me.

My bucket probably has scum in it.

I thought it was ...goddammit... interesting that Owner put the vote on Tony and Creature followed suit, and then it turned around later with Creature putting a vote on me, and Owner following suit. I don't know if baddies sheep each other like that, especially when the situation isn't dire.

I predict a Creature lynch, but his disengagement makes him hard to read. I don't have to vote yet.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:23 am Sabie has 6 posts in the entire game.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:59 am I apologize I dont have much service where I am on vacation.

The case on Lunalee makes sense and I could also see nutella being bad. They both are notoriously difficult to read at times. Lunas response to the suspicion on her was that she is busy and had a lot going on and messed up which is perhaps possible. Nutella response is to get really defensive.

In looking at Luna she originally seemed to be defending rej but then last second votes him openly admitting she just randomly voted because she thought he maybe had one sketchy post which she sort of wasn't really suspicious of initially. Ehhhh It's not a good look even if she is busy.

Nutella has been wrong on a lot of her reads so far but it is in her nature to kinda move around with the flow of the thread. I'm not sold on her being town as of yet but I feel the Luna case is more compelling.


[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

This post is pretty much the only one with content. Pink is kind of sketchy though, cause this was D2 and I think only me and Rej had flipped at that point. So "a lot of her reads" seems like saying more reads, but only two had flipped.

That is a delicious find, I think sabie might have given away too much by saying that. She's bad, and she knows exactly how many reads nutella has been wrong about, with or without flips. Furthermore, when we lynch sabie and she's bad, it might even give us more insight through re-reading nutella's early reads. Maybe Civ points to those she suspected? That could be going too far though; sabie is capable of misdirecting us to believe nutella had wrong reads, when they were right. I'm using way too many napklns

I'll join the Sabie vote. [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:08 pm I'm still thinking that the owner creature drag group looks worst, those votes on long con just stand OUT...

...like a dick on a donkey!

... that's what a cop told me a few years ago after he pulled me over. "I wasn't, like, hidden up there, you can see me waiting, I'm out there like a dick on a donkey..." One of the few cops I liked. He let me off with a warning as well.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:15 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:19 pm Cool, I just overlooked a whole Indy role. So we are 6 scum left in the game. Scum the lot of you

My guess is Othar is town friendly? Am I missing another one?

I think Othar probably has his own agenda that is outside the concerns of Civvie/baddie. Being unkillable is a huge offset to balance something equally crazy.

I also want to mention that it's possible that nutella recruited four people on night 1. Isn't it?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:48 pmThe Other

Have BTSC. Win the game when they eliminate Wulfenbach Empire, Martellus and Zola, and outnumber Mechanicsburg.



Lucrezia Mongfish

Agatha’s mother. Lucrezia has developed a technology called Slaver Wasps, mechanical wasps that can infect a player and make them a slave to Lucrezia, forever.

[Hive Engine]: Once per night, Lucrezia can place a Hive Engine next to a player, which will release Slaver Wasps in their vicinity. Anyone who targets that player with an ability during that night will be converted to Lucrezia’s faction. They will keep their role abilities, except for kills.

No more than 4 players can be converted for the duration of the game.

This ability fails on mafia and independents. It also fails on sparks, unless…

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It is a high failure probability though. And it wouldn't take out any mafia, so our scum numbers would be the same. It would be like a faction of Civs who are separate Civs.

Also very unlikely that she recruited anyone.

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:24 pm Well I kind of feel like the baddie team may have exposed themselves, here. If creature flips bad I think we could blow this game open

Tell me about that future.

I am comfortable calling them mafia, baddies, wolf, or scum.

Hey man, what's up? Can you see me even when I'm invisible?

I voted sabie last lynch and I preferred her to Creature... I was pretty meh on the Creature lynch. His constant complaining about how we play Mafia grated on me enough that I didn't give a damn. He was great for the mafia.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:12 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:11 am Hey man, what's up? Can you see me even when I'm invisible?

Only scum players go invisible.

Right now I'm totally down with Dom over Tony for the Civ side of things. That is to say Dom has impressed me in the Civ fashion. Whereas Tony is alluding to scumminess because of my invisible, plus he did engage in the Chess, which could have been a scum distraction on his end somehow.

Um, what else? Dyslexicon and Epignosis, I don't see them both being baddies and putting on this big show or something. I am concerned about one of them being bad. Of course my mind puts Epignosis there... it could be such a smooth plan to sub in for a baddie role to berate the Civvies for low-posting and keep the posting engine generally revved up enough that it's very difficult to find reason to lynch him. Paranoid? Maybe. Or maybe not. We'll see at endgame.

Dizzy, Epi, Jack, and Dom are all good in my books, for reasons and maybe optimism?