The Syndicate

Leeeeeetic, rockin' in here like that like that gets ma blood buzzin' gets ma heart thumpin'

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:22 pm Usually much more has happened by now. This feels weird.

Right now, [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine. He is usually one of the more active people who tries to get stuff going, but right now his only contributions have been setup speculation. I'm not really seeing him trying to get any meaningful discussion going so I have to be suspicious.

I would also say the same about JaggedJimmyJay, but he's Schrödinger's player right now. I'll join you on the Sloonei vote, he has three posts and they're all about an issue that's above his pay grade as a player. In A World Asunder, town Sloonei opened Day 1 with two town reads and a vote on a suspect. [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:41 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:24 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:07 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:03 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:31 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:27 pm I also voted for long con.

Why did you do that?

His vote is silly.

Agreed.

What is silly about it?

His entire premise for the vote is dumb. He assumes that you'll open the same way as you did in another game and since you didn't, it's justification for why you're scum. It's meta and it's stupid meta. Most people don't always open up the exact same way in games that they're in regardless of alignment. I'm confident that I could easily find a game in which he opened differently from this one and day that he's scum.

He's either...
1. Ignoring how dumb his logic is and is just trying to create something against you to contribute.
2. Not realizing how dumb his logic is.

If it's 1, then he's a lazy scum. If it's 2, then he's a lazy townie.

This was the post I liked from Drago. I asked him why he agreed with something I said. The reason he stated mirrored what I was thinking but had not said.

I'd also add that LC just got done hosting a game in which I was mafia and did not appear to lend any weight to that particular game, but cited instead an older game from over a year ago.

That was the last Job in which you were town. That's what I was comparing. Thanks for the add, I guess.

And I liking that inane Drago post is one of the first things that has actually made me suspect you.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:34 am Assassin's creed has people in the modern day going into a matrix-like thing and reliving the lives of assassins of the past to gain skillz.

Maybe nutella and JJJ are like a templar and an assassin from the future and they're in our heads right now, living our lives, making our posts.

I haven't felt like myself lately...

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:47 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:45 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:34 am Assassin's creed has people in the modern day going into a matrix-like thing and reliving the lives of assassins of the past to gain skillz.

Maybe nutella and JJJ are like a templar and an assassin from the future and they're in our heads right now, living our lives, making our posts.

I haven't felt like myself lately...

Have you know counters to my points about you?

False dichotomy.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:24 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:07 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:03 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:31 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:27 pm I also voted for long con.

Why did you do that?

His vote is silly.

Agreed.

What is silly about it?

His entire premise for the vote is dumb. He assumes that you'll open the same way as you did in another game and since you didn't, it's justification for why you're scum. It's meta and it's stupid meta. Most people don't always open up the exact same way in games that they're in regardless of alignment. I'm confident that I could easily find a game in which he opened differently from this one and day that he's scum.

He's either...
1. Ignoring how dumb his logic is and is just trying to create something against you to contribute.
2. Not realizing how dumb his logic is.

If it's 1, then he's a lazy scum. If it's 2, then he's a lazy townie.

False dichotomy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:14 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:13 pm Has anyone actually tried to defend LC? I'm a bit wary of the growing LC wagon at the moment as D1 wagons with little resistance rarely land on scum.

I didn't even notice that he had votes. Why are you worried about the growth of his wagon? Do you have any particular thoughts on Drago or speedchuck regarding their votes?

Did speedchuck even give a reason?

Did Dragomir even respond to my criticism of his suspicion?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:29 pm Sometimes you have to vote without giving a reason. You've got to tickle their balls a little.

LC especially needs ball tickling. His first couple of posts looked fun, but after he voted for Sloonei and got questioned for it his energy just died. Ever since then each post has been ineffectual defense without any of that town spark.

Fair enough, ball tickling is legit.

I'm not usually the high-energy star of Day 1, either alignment. Too many divas out there to compete with, I listen more than I talk.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:46 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:44 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:29 pm Sometimes you have to vote without giving a reason. You've got to tickle their balls a little.

LC especially needs ball tickling. His first couple of posts looked fun, but after he voted for Sloonei and got questioned for it his energy just died. Ever since then each post has been ineffectual defense without any of that town spark.

Fair enough, ball tickling is legit.

I'm not usually the high-energy star of Day 1, either alignment. Too many divas out there to compete with, I listen more than I talk.

What are your thoughts on the Sloonei/ts account drama?

I need to go over it again, my initial recollection is Much Ado About Nothing.

... or possibly a distancing act?

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:20 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:19 pm ... or possibly a distancing act?

What?

If it's true that you guys are arguing over 'Nothing', then that could be it.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:19 pm ... or possibly a distancing act?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:53 pm I feel like LC is playing scummy on purpose

I don't understand.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:26 pm I'm mad ama.

I do understand.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:08 pm I'll admit, I do find it a bit weird how LC still has his vote on Sloonei after all this time without providing any further elaboration.

It's just a remnant by now, of a vote cast in a boring thread. Don't consider it to mean he's my top suspect... I put more focus in my other game today due to the 72-hour days in this one, and I need to get back in here and play.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:21 pm Of the thirteen people in the thread, I feel like Epi, speed and TSP have been the most under the radar (LC too, but he has been brought up by many people so if that was his strategy it failed). Not sure about TSP since I have never played with him but Epi and speed are typically a lot more vocal and seeing only their comparatively minor contributions to the game seems weird.

Again, not my strategy, just haven't put the time in yet.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:44 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:08 pm I'll admit, I do find it a bit weird how LC still has his vote on Sloonei after all this time without providing any further elaboration.

It's just a remnant by now, of a vote cast in a boring thread. Don't consider it to mean he's my top suspect... I put more focus in my other game today due to the 72-hour days in this one, and I need to get back in here and play.

Hi there, I want you to elaborate on that false dichotomy you pointed out.

Dragomir presented only two possible reasons why I did my Sloonei vote: lazy town or lazy mafia. Neither of them match the reality of my vote.

Going back to my Dominion game with my wife, I'll be back on later.

Started getting some analysis done from many pages ago... but it's 4:19 am here, so I decided to Save Draft rather than post a partial. I know I haven't been prolific yet, but I'm going to try and fix that and sort some things out. Good night.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:31 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:20 am Started getting some analysis done from many pages ago... but it's 4:19 am here, so I decided to Save Draft rather than post a partial. I know I haven't been prolific yet, but I'm going to try and fix that and sort some things out. Good night.

I love partials. Gimme gimme.

No, I just sat back down and I'm going to continue.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:36 am Epi is bringing an unnecessarily hostile tone to an otherwise reasonable thread, idk what that means really just an observation

I hope it doesn't mean he's a jerk.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:39 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:36 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:31 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:20 am Started getting some analysis done from many pages ago... but it's 4:19 am here, so I decided to Save Draft rather than post a partial. I know I haven't been prolific yet, but I'm going to try and fix that and sort some things out. Good night.

I love partials. Gimme gimme.

No, I just sat back down and I'm going to continue.

If it's really long I'm gonna skim it.

Ok, you're right. It's an in-depth, post-by-post leetic look. I'll do partials.

So, leetic... I'll do this like counting cards in Blackjack. Start at 0, +value for towny, -value for wolfy.

First post (beyond guitar vid) is criticising the level of Day 1 activity in the thread. A valid criticism, we were 7 hours into Day 1, and not one player had tried to get serious. I liked this opener. +2 (2)

Second post votes Sloonei for having three posts, 100% dedicated to setup speculation. 4 hours AFTER telling the thread to get going, with still no serious responses. I liked this as well, which is why I decided to double down the vote. +2 (4)

Third post is a little sketchy. It's nice to see the genesis of the Mikey-Sloonei thing, but leetic's calling Mikey's post "weird" doesn't check out, because Mikey isn't "calling out Sloonei for setup speculation", he's criticising Sloonei's speculation with a hypothetcal designed to reveal the pointlessness of Sloonei's discussion. -1 (3)

Post 4:

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:13 am

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:57 am

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:06 am
Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here

Care to explain?

I would like to know from you. Are you worried about me pocketing you?

Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.

I quoted this one because Mikey's post is something I don't really understand. I don't see how that is, in any way, a response to leetic's question. It's a really weird response.

THEN leetic responds to Mikey... but in third person, like he's presenting Mikey's post to everyone else rather than responding to it. Also just weird, I don't really like that he specifically disengaged from the conversation, but it makes them look less than teammate-compatible, so there's that. Vote switch does please me, and makes sense, if Mikey's departure from previous town behaviour is accurate, it's a better reason to vote than Sloonei's speculation. +0 (3)... -1 for ts account.

Post 5 continues the meatiness that I am so far liking in leetic's posts. The "pocketing" discussion so far is just randomly generated by Mikey, and leetic's response to his pressing on the subject is the right response to the odd curveball.

Suspicion of tedxtr's early towncore feels good.

Radishes calls leetic out on the casual (too casual?) talk, leetic gives a reasonable response. Maybe Radishes is right, I wouldn't have noticed such a thing if he hadn't pointed it out. Slight minus on this post's score, a la Radish.

The tedxtr interactions, I don't agree with tedxtr's criticism of leetic's... whole game so far, I guess. +1 (4)

Post 6 leetic gives a list of reads with some explanation. Looks like genuine solving. +1 (5)

Post 7 Dragomir responded negatively to leetic's assessment that he was just sheeping Sloonei with no original thoughts. Dragomir's reaction to the accusation was mild defensive hostility, which is a -1 for him, and leetic's reply was a reasonable explanation and a prod toward fixing the apparent problem. Dragomir would have looked better if he had given original thoughts instead of just bristling at leetic's observation. +1 again for leetic (6)

Post 8 Dragomir doubles down on the idea that leetic is prodding him to "create random thoughts out of thin air so [he] could be original". Like, where do thoughts come from usually? Amazon? You have to, like, think about things to get thoughts. leetic shames Dragomir and casts a vote that I judge to be valid. +1 (7) Is leetic still in the lead for votes? He looks really town so far, where are the suspicions coming from?

leetic cont'd...

Post 9, follow-up thoughts on Dragomir's bristly rebuke of leetic's suggestion that he could share some original thoughts. 0 (7)

Post 10 leetic challenges the "growing LC wagon" because no one was defending me. If leetic were bad, then he should have no problem at all with a growing town lynch. This looks very good, and I'm fine with the TMI bias I'm obviously showing. +2 (9)

Post 11 I don't really understand what tedxtr is saying here, I don't know the term "town blocking". leetic's response I don't get either... where is the monopolization of discussion happening? 0 (9)

Post 12 to clarify to Sloonei the Post 10 position on the LC votes. Casts some suspicion on speedchuck, but I don't really like the word "opportunistic" all that much. It's a big word that's pretty easy to throw around to put suspicion on people, and it's one I've used as a wolf in fake cases before. leetic says it twice here. -1 (8)

Post 13 again with the "opportunistic", and there's an "interesting" in there to boot. Dislike. -1 (7)

Post 14 is meh. Not too solvey, definition discussion and slight prod. 0 (7)

Post 15 was directed at me, asking my opinions on Mikey-Sloonei. Pretty basic. 0 (7)

Post 16 Drago and leetic snapping at each other a little, and it looks genuine to me, in that I don't think they are w/w. Drago's criticism is valid; two votes doesn't really make for wariness of a growing wagon. The "taken out of context" thing is weak. -1 (6)

Still well in the positives, a town lean at this point on leetic.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:27 pmI think you're being a bit generous in giving out your +s. E.g. his opener was okay, but +2? That's an opening post a wolf could definitely make. And with the last couple posts, I actually felt leetic's insistence that Drago come up with reads on me/Ted was a bit contrived - Drago had explained he wasn't going to and didn't need to, and leetic tried to make it sound like that was unthinkable, which I don't think it is.

I did start this while drinking last night. Maybe I was overly generous with the +2's, but I still would give +1's for them... or maybe a +1, then a +2 for the second post because a wolf could be satisfied with the optics of the first post, but a civilian who believes in what they're doing pushes more with a second.

I didn't read the Drago thing that way at all. "Drago had explained he wasn't going to and didn't need to"... that sounds really reasonable, more reasonable than "what, you want random thoughts out of thin air??" deserves. And I disagree that leetic implied it was UNTHINKABLE, he just said "they should at least be able to make you feel something about them" because they had enough posts.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:13 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine I would like to hear a lot more from you.

Weird flex, since I actually just started looking harder at this game, but ok.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:06 pm @Long Con come vote leetic

Well, I'm just in the middle of a look through leetic's posts, and currently I'm reading him as town... so no thank you.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:11 pm @Long Con I saw your posts about how good Leetic was which is fine and dandy and all but tell me this: what do you plan on doing with this town read on Leetic and your fat explanation for it? Are you simply just putting it out there so ppl know you got reads or are you trying to persuade others from not lynching Leetic? Right now it feels like the former is the case.

A second question for you? Have you showed us your scum reads? If not, could you give me them?

A question to all, does anybody feel like Turnip is bad? He's not good to me.

Nah. You'll find out what I have to say when I say it.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:24 pm Is EoD in 2 hours and 30 minutes?

No, it's tomorrow.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:17 pm Does anybody share my suspicion on Turnip?

Lemme go look. Can you give me your angle in a simple concept?

First 4 of 33 posts are fluff.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:57 am Sloonei is some sort of hybrid Golden-JJJ monstrosity right now, is this his final form? He just played a dastardly villain in GoC so now he might be supatowning hard

Town read on Sloonei. Complimentary. Possible buddying attempt.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:59 am Ts latching onto sloon for discussing mechanics felt a bit opportunist and now that they're actually discussing reads he's sinking his teeth in deeper

This is identical to leetic's accusation of Dragomir. Did they both sheep Sloonei? Is Sloonei the sun in the sky?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 am

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:15 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 am I could use the same logic against you. You have only played a fraction of the amount of mafia games that exist so you can't truly know that mechanical talk is widely considered a scumtell. It might have been from the games you've played but not the many others have.

So basically, trying to say that mechanical talk is a scumtell is bullshit. It's not a universal opinion. I want you to explain to me what really makes mechanical talk a bad thing.

There exists somewhere a big imaginary book of mafia. When players are good enough, they get a chance to write a chapter of the book. In some footnotes, you will find clear references to mechanical discussion being a scumtell. I do not know what to tell you beyond this. I am not the one who decides what are and aren't considered scumtells, though I do have a few scumtells of my own that I have not seen other players share.

Generally, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will struggle to generate content. This is the closest thing you can get to objective in mafia- sort by postcount will almost always win more games than any individual player's reads, it has been tested. As a result of this, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will latch onto low-hanging talking points. In mystery games especially, mechanical discussion is inevitable from any alignment, but scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) are happy to engage in this discourse, as it means they don't have to provide fake content.

Happy?

You could argue in a post-modern mafia setting that going after someone for mechanics talk is the new low hanging fruit. I don't think your suspicion of sloonei for this looks particularly genuine. It's an easy suspicion to fake early and you haven't really let it go, like you're afraid what it would look like if you backed down here

This post makes me feel grey. So tentative, that second sentence. Such a tiny prod, this barely even merits a response from Mikey. Does he follow up on this suspicion?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:30 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:22 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:17 pm Does anybody share my suspicion on Turnip?

Lemme go look. Can you give me your angle in a simple concept?

A backseat poster who lacks in assertive reads and only dips his toes just barely in a couple subjects as if he's trying to see if something is sticking.

LOL, that's just the flavour I was tasting in that last post of his I quoted.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:19 pm ... or possibly a distancing act?

I responded with a GIF to this... if it was a real criticism, it was easily quelled.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:42 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:28 pm @ts account right off the bat 2.0, yeah, I am spinning everything negatively. That is the point of the exercise. It's not a nefarious agenda. When I make a case like that, I am asking myself whether or not I can see the player as mafia in each post. If the answer is yes, I share my interpretation of their possible mafia motives. That is what I did with your posts. I acknowledged in the post that there are other explanations. But I have concerns and I voiced them.

You do not seem interested in pursuing these other possibilities, therefore you do not seem interested in truly scumhunting.

I feel like you're talking about yourself. You don't seem interested in pursuing anything other than Sloonei being scum which has snowballed from the beginning of the game

This, I don't mind, but it doesn't really advance the scum hunt too much... I can't tell from this post if TH thinks it makes Mikey town or wolf.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:54 pm @ts account It's not impossible for me to view Sloon as bad actually, I just like how fired up he got after he was called out. He got real defensive real quick which I associate with town sloon. Not sure if I should see it like that or if I just don't want him to be bad for whatever reason.

Starts out strong, then waffles out in the home-stretch. Lack of assertive reads strikes again.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:40 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:25 pm Sloonei Long Con MacDougall I recommend that you three get your hands a little dirty by voting for one of the 3 leading wagons.

Alternatively, we could not.

I don't usually feel like responding to demands on my playstyle. I play how I play, mostly slow/light touch in the first few days, then drive hard when I find something I really believe in. I don't like to dance on command.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO

This is just blatantly not true. It's something I have done many times in the past, mostly due to the "you-die-you-don't-win" rule we used to go by around here... when you have to survive to win, you learn to not look TOO Civvish. I still hold the lessons dear to my heart, because dying sucks either way, and if you want to survive the night, the baddies have to believe you can be lynched.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:14 pm I started the day more likely to vote Mikey and now I'm thinking of voting for Sloonei. It's not hard to view Sloonei's behavior through the lens where he's bad

Twenty minutes after declaring Sloon to be a town read. Why did this 180 happen?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:15 pm Like if the idea was for Sloonei to get involved re: mechanics and then for Mikey to engage him, and then for them to one up each other ad infinitum

Golden and I actually did that in Firefly mafia and neither of us got lynched

I floated the idea that Sloon and Mikey are w/w on little more than a whim, and it's pretty unexpected to see TH engaging with it so much, especially after his initial mocking disbelief.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:37 pm @Turnip Head let me gaze into your mind. I'd like you to write three sentences with a minimum of ten words each about the status of the game. Chop chop young man.

The status of the game is looking really really good. I think you and me and the others are going to have a great time playing this game. Not every game of mafia ends up becoming a classic but I think this one's gonna be good

On one hand, I completely 100% agree with TH's post here. Love the sentiment, I think he's right about this game.

On the other hand, this is a dismal failure to engage Mac's request on any level that progresses the game/reads/communication at all. Totally sucky.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:40 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:25 pm Sloonei Long Con MacDougall I recommend that you three get your hands a little dirty by voting for one of the 3 leading wagons.

Alternatively, we could not.

I don't usually feel like responding to demands on my playstyle. I play how I play, mostly slow/light touch in the first few days, then drive hard when I find something I really believe in. I don't like to dance on command.

That, and I also see no reason to consolidate votes at this time. We have more than 24 hours left.

Well, it wasn't about consolidating votes, it was about Drago getting more player interactions to work with.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:57 pm What I am seeing from Mikey is a little bit of between the lines solving which I very much like

I think this is a town lean on Mikey. I could also picture TH saying "I didn't say I thought he was town for it, I just said I liked it!"

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:13 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO

Disagree.

Care to elaborate? I'm actually pretty good at reading him, probably the best at it, if I'm being honest

Debatable.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:36 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:03 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:45 am Leetic feels cornered

What's the point you're making? He's civilian because he's being pushed into a wall or is he scum because he reacts poorly?

Which one do you think I meant? If you had to guess

Ok, Drago. I agree with your assessment of TH. This is garbaggio.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:36 am Epi is bringing an unnecessarily hostile tone to an otherwise reasonable thread, idk what that means really just an observation

More of the same empty observationals.

My Sloonei vote is super-stale at this point. I'm going to switch to TH. [VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:00 pm Turnip Head is town.

Oh.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:00 pm Turnip Head is town.

Oh.

Long Con is mafia.

No.