The Syndicate

No self-voting? There goes half my strategy.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that some of you are infected with the 'Rona, and we need to murder you for our own protection.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:41 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:40 am No self-voting? There goes half my strategy.
Hey, another scum claim!

Oh, I'm as scummy as they come. But I have a clean Bill of Health.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:19 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:12 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:11 am Hi guys, I've heard a lot of good things about this mafia thing, figured I'd check it on out.

So how does voting work, is more votes a good thing? Do they make me president?
I wrote a tutorial for you.

Hyena's Voting Tutorial
Step #1: Go to Full Editor & Preview
Step #2: Click the Vote Button
Step #3: In between the vote brackets, include the name LONG CON.
Step #4: Click on Submit
Step #5: Vote for LONG CON in the poll
Step #6: You become president, and your rival candidate, Long Con, gets shot off to the moon in a rocket.
Hello, Hyena!

I can dig this; I demand vengeance for that N1 kill.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

That's fair.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:07 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:42 am I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that some of you are infected with the 'Rona, and we need to murder you for our own protection.
Awkward post.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

That's not fair.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:39 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:37 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:33 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:19 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:12 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:11 am Hi guys, I've heard a lot of good things about this mafia thing, figured I'd check it on out.

So how does voting work, is more votes a good thing? Do they make me president?
I wrote a tutorial for you.

Hyena's Voting Tutorial
Step #1: Go to Full Editor & Preview
Step #2: Click the Vote Button
Step #3: In between the vote brackets, include the name LONG CON.
Step #4: Click on Submit
Step #5: Vote for LONG CON in the poll
Step #6: You become president, and your rival candidate, Long Con, gets shot off to the moon in a rocket.
Hello, Hyena!

I can dig this; I demand vengeance for that N1 kill.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
If I remember correctly, Long Con also pocketed me a couple months ago here, so I need some revenge, too.
It's good to play a game with you again, something not a turbo lol.

Which game was that by the way?
Yeah! Good to see you, too, again, especially in a game that's not as fast paced! And it was the Inception game that (I think) JaggedJimmyJay hosted after MU Champs ended last Fall.

I pocketed you in that?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:30 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:01 am My character is so fun to roleplay as that I don’t know how. LC can die but if the point of the game is complete our personal vendettas against LC maybe we’re going down the wrong path

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:03 am Hmm, let’s spread the love
Vote
DDL
The more I think about it the more I don't like these posts. The attitudes are wrong.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

I agree. There could also be some level of buddying in his soft defense of me. [VOTE: TonyDanza] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:27 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:07 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:48 am You know the scene in elf where the manager yells “SIX. INCHES.” At zoey deschanel?

Imagine I’m doing that at all times but it’s 6 feet.
Backstreet Boys - Larger Than Life
Sorry I only know good music

Then you haven't lived, my friend.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:48 pm (last game I played with him he was scum and siirc didn't really do anything like that / didn't "tryhard", but that means little, he's clearly going for a different style this game regardless of alignment and could be hiding behind that)

Someone shut me up lol

What's the difference between "clearly going for a different style" and "has a different style based on his alignment"?

I think speedchuck is town. It would take a lot for me to vote for him.

That is a good point about MR.

WTF is "stilted"?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:35 pm I think speedchuck is town. It would take a lot for me to vote for him.
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I don't understand. You want me to park my vote?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:17 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:02 pm WTF is "stilted"?
Do you not have that word in Canadian? It means like..... restrained, sort of, with an implication of artificiality. If that makes sense.

I meant "What is stilted about my post?" Second time in few pages that that word has been used to describe someone's post. In my own case , I don't see how it applies, but that's probably because I read my post the way I intended it to be read.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:04 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:03 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:35 pm I think speedchuck is town. It would take a lot for me to vote for him.
4FCC6E96-ABA5-427D-9109-502BA6031EFF.jpeg
I don't understand. You want me to park my vote?
It’s a lot

vote speedchuck

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:27 pm
Hey Long Con!

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:37 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:28 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:19 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:12 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:11 am Hi guys, I've heard a lot of good things about this mafia thing, figured I'd check it on out.

So how does voting work, is more votes a good thing? Do they make me president?
I wrote a tutorial for you.

Hyena's Voting Tutorial
Step #1: Go to Full Editor & Preview
Step #2: Click the Vote Button
Step #3: In between the vote brackets, include the name LONG CON.
Step #4: Click on Submit
Step #5: Vote for LONG CON in the poll
Step #6: You become president, and your rival candidate, Long Con, gets shot off to the moon in a rocket.
Hello, Hyena!

I can dig this; I demand vengeance for that N1 kill.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
That's fair.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:07 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:42 am I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that some of you are infected with the 'Rona, and we need to murder you for our own protection.
Awkward post.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
That's not fair.
What about Nanook? :P Is he your mafia partner?
Did Nanook vote for me?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:32 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:18 pm Did Nanook vote for me?
Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!

Extra ugly, due to non-call in the thread.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:39 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:32 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:18 pm Did Nanook vote for me?
Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!
Wait, are you trying to fake spew that you're not mafia partners with Nanook?

All my spew is always really real, provided spew applies to town as well, I'm not too sure.

Okay then, it was not spew, or fake spew, or whatever. I saw two votes in the thread, and responded to those two. If I had included Nanook's vote, then it would have been labelled not fair, I guess.

I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:50 pm Okay then, it was not spew, or fake spew, or whatever. I saw two votes in the thread, and responded to those two. If I had included Nanook's vote, then it would have been labelled not fair, I guess.
Cool. I feel I was pulling teeth trying to get this answer out of you. I'm not removing my vote yet.

That's completely unfair to say. I didn't even understand your angle until a short time ago.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:58 pm I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?
Okay, I like where you're going with this. Give me a name.

At a glance:

1. sig
2. Nanook

Nanook, Tony, nutella, based on your own role card, what alignment do you think Alex Jones would have?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:44 pmCould be that Texas asshole too maybe?

You're really gonna have to narrow that down.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:11 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:21 am Nanook, Tony, nutella, based on your own role card, what alignment do you think Alex Jones would have?
Why does this feel like angle shooting

I don't think that is a possible issue in an open claiming game.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:17 amNot reading anyone else tbh. I guess LC feels like a bit of nonpresence so I might vote there? Maybe.

If that's your reasoning, why not vote for Poison Chan, not me for playing how I always do.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:50 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:44 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:17 amNot reading anyone else tbh. I guess LC feels like a bit of nonpresence so I might vote there? Maybe.
If that's your reasoning, why not vote for Poison Chan, not me for playing how I always do.
He's so indecisive. That's wolf in my books.

I see. That's towny to me.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:26 pm SEVEN pings, I sure am popular

Get in line.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:28 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:11 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:21 am Nanook, Tony, nutella, based on your own role card, what alignment do you think Alex Jones would have?
Why does this feel like angle shooting
Probably cause it is tbh

Explain, I don't understand.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:52 pm That was me calling a poison vote to be ear

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:38 pm Against my typical habits, I'm actively avoiding sharing a rainbow list right now because my reads are very much in flux right now regarding the most active posters, and otherwise more people need to be pressured before this game is over.

Hey LC, what are your reads buddy?

I'm generally feeling suspicious of 112 and Nanook across the day. I haven't really pinpointed for myself why, but I would join those wagons if they were a go at crunch time.

I don't suspect Mplus7, and even if I did, I am unlikely to contribute to his Day 1 lynch after I specifically called for and performed his Night 1 kill in the last game we played, Mafia is fun online social time, and I want to hang with my old friend.

I am not suspicious of DDL for the Radishes accusation. nutella sure is, but that's ok. Not really down with voting nutella.

Juliets could be an option. I don't have a townread of her.

My vote has been on Tony for too long. He could be bad, but I'd rather vote 112 or Nanook. [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine because 112's wagon is already revving up.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:05 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:54 pm Tony saying he thought Alex Jones would be town read as a not-scum thing to say imo, especially since it came after me and nutella said the opposite
I agree.

I agree as well.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:45 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:42 pm It is sort of weird that LC had a joke wagon of 3 votes on him but hasn't received any serious pressure.
What? I tried pressuring him. He was just really uncooperative when I tried working with him. It felt like I was pulling teeth trying to get info out of him. I think I even mentioned this somewhere in the thread.

I remember that, it was right before I explained how that feeling was incorrect, due to the fact that I wasn't being obstinate, rather I was unaware of information that you felt was important. Specifically, that Nanook had also voted for me though I had only mentioned two of my voters at the time. There were no teeth to pull, only bridges to build.

Anyway, I have a video chat 4/20 meeting with some friends right at 10, so I won't be here till the nitty-gritty. Now's a great time to Fire drill me (what was the new term we decided on?) because I won't be here, and that's always a fun game.

I like my vote where it is, it's like a support pillar holding up an easy alternate lynch.

I voted for "in-character" because it sounds fun. I'm cool with second lynch. I'll vote Jack with my secret vote.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:47 am I quickly caught up, some thoughts:

Wary of Jack. I don't have any idea what to make of him, and I've not really seen him post like this before. The balance of content and jokes and post number is just way off. I know that sounds weird but it'sameta.

It occurred to me reading around the EOD that LC had a bunch of random votes and wagon pushers early... which was exactly the strategy I used with him in a scumgame that just ended. The mafia planned out a bunch of initial busses to look unaligned, and we (Read: LC) won thanks to that. LC is definitely someone to look into tomorrow, as well as anyone who pushed him early.

Even in that case, I think there was scum vote manipulation around the EOD. It would be good if people stated the reasons for their votes and (if they weren't on sig) whether they still believe in their wagons.

Ok, but kill them before me, because no, I didn't try to immediately implement an identical plan. PLUS, those early pushers were weaksauce. Nobody really believed M plus 7 intended to lynch me Day 1 for revenge. When it worked for us, it stood up to Detective Sloonei going back over it with a fine-toothed comb, coming up with the conclusion that the planned suspicion looked more real than the Tony suspicion. This is not that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:23 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:19 am I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side
I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

My own role is one that I would immediately assume is an evil role, but I'm a civilian. That's why I thought that the teams are probably divided among infected and uninfected, or something.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:17 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:42 pm And btw Re: the poll we can always use the hidden lynch to can a low-poster while actively hunting with the public poll. It's not the best use of it, but it is less susceptible to scum manipulation.
An intriguing proposition. Perhaps the secret vote could be to lynch someone very clearly in the bottom rung of the POE, perhaps due to low post count or LHF or whatever.

Or we could just use it to lynch Jack (again) until he is rid of the delusion that he cannot be lynched.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:12 pm That didn't count cause Jay was involved and also technically SVS got lynched, not me.

1. Since when does JAy's involvement factor into your unlynchability? Did that exist before that game?

2. Your technicality has been overruled.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:52 pm JAAAAAAAAACK. Who caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaares. You haven't played this damn gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.

Hey, you can't criticize Off-Topic in On-Topic.... can you?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:05 pm I am handling night actions so if you just send your action to Epignosis after he specifically said to send them to both of us then it won't count you filthy serfs.

I was all like

but then I realized "oh yeah, I have no night actions..."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:25 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:51 pm Moving off a joke long con vote, I’d like to kill the lurker

If tony is not town I’m guessing he’s 3p rather than mafia, so I’m not super interested there tbh
Mehmehmehmeh

I'm always perplexed at how the "he's probably 3p" opinion is formed. I don't really have that category in my basic judgments, especially this early, with no 3p role necessarily present.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:28 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:25 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:51 pm Moving off a joke long con vote, I’d like to kill the lurker

If tony is not town I’m guessing he’s 3p rather than mafia, so I’m not super interested there tbh
Mehmehmehmeh
I'm always perplexed at how the "he's probably 3p" opinion is formed. I don't really have that category in my basic judgments, especially this early, with no 3p role necessarily present.
I believe he explained it and it was related to the flavor-alignment stuff.

Even that would take a lot of assumptions about the game. Assumptions that become easier to make when you know multiple roles, eg. being on a baddie team.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:38 pm Alex Jones is a RL 3p what are you on about

Oh, I don't really know much about him.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:08 am I could certainly lynch LC. Feels like scum LC coasting.

Recency bias. This is just how LC plays.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:51 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:08 am I could certainly lynch LC. Feels like scum LC coasting.
Recency bias. This is just how LC plays.
Was Jack even in that game though?

Or is this another game you're talking about

Oh, maybe not. I've been scum the last two games.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:05 pm Remember when I was good at reading LC? That was when I thought passive LC was baddie LC.

I do really need him to do more pushing @Long Con

Even my Nanook read is pretty gut based. And my townleans area almost all based on one thing for each player. The exception is Speedchuck, who I am nodding along with everything he's said. He's never been mafia when I felt that way. He's been antitown neutral tho. Regardless, if he's town, he'll manage to defend wolves and look like the perfectly fitting puzzle piece and then I'll turn the piece upside down and townread him.

I'll come around. And that's not fake news.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:55 pm I just read back through @Long Con because of 112's read on him. I don't see anything that said "scum" and he ended up voting Nanook with 112 and sig (and nutella but we don't know her alignment at this point). I believe him when he said he didn't know Nanook was voting for him and that was a town look. I would feel a little better if he would answer my question about his gut read of Nanook. Maybe today.

lots of linki

Maybe today. I don't know the answer right now. I might be able to rekindle the feeling and share it with you if I go back over Nanook's posts. That's not right now though, sorry.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:05 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:03 pm Like regardless of my alignment, I’m going to talk to people as if they’re town. Otherwise what’s the point of talking to them at all. SRing me for that is almost as bad as “nanook can’t SR anyone!” which is also demonstrably, patently false.

So yeah, do better, regardless of your alignment.
You've literally said the same two sentences three times now. I don't understand them. Why the fuck would you not engage people you suspect? You're doing it right now, no? Or not, because you don't actually suspect me.
Way to twist my words. I didn’t say I don’t talk to people I suspect, I said I don’t talk to people as if they’re mafia.. There’s no point in it!

Treating everyone as hostile, as if they are Mafia, is a great way to hunt. I don't know why you would say otherwise.

Excellent. That's a nice free mafia death. Someone done good.

I am liking these new lines of analysis. That sig vote looks a lot like a save.

Doesn't look good for M Plus 7.

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