The Syndicate

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:12 pm People I have not yet played with in any meaningful capacity:

Choutas, colin, dunya, Kites, lapluie, Luna, nova, wolbre...

That's a decent list. I think I've played with Choutas and dunya but not had us both remain alive in a game for very long.

I also haven't played with Kyle since... well, let's say... it's gotta be 6 years, right? 2012?

Looking forward to playing with you too, Golden!

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:34 am
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GTH/POE Day 1 MP Rainbow:

Strong town:
Golden

Moderate town:
Macdougall
Scotty

Slight town:
Choutas
sig
Sloonei
Speedchuck

No clue:
ColinIsCool
Dom
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
Kites
Kylemii
lapluie
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
Spacedaisy
Turnip Head
wolbre04

Not quite a mafia read but I'm wary of:
dunya
novaselinenever

If you are in the No clue section, help me and the rest of us out here ASAP! Please and thanks. It should be somewhat easier today since I'll be gone for a while.

Though I guess if I'm trying to GTH myself as much as possible, based entirely on tone, I guess I could move my reads of Kites, Turnip Head, and wolbre04 to the slight town section. I want to see more from them though and I don't feel comfortable committing to those because they're based on so little.

Alright, fuck with those Persians while I'm gone. I want to see scared Persians when I get back.

It looks like alliance claiming is a tricky thing in this game. But I'll do my best to help you out!

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:51 pm
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:31 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:34 am
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GTH/POE Day 1 MP Rainbow:

Strong town:
Golden

Moderate town:
Macdougall
Scotty

Slight town:
Choutas
sig
Sloonei
Speedchuck

No clue:
ColinIsCool
Dom
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
Kites
Kylemii
lapluie
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
Spacedaisy
Turnip Head
wolbre04

Not quite a mafia read but I'm wary of:
dunya
novaselinenever

If you are in the No clue section, help me and the rest of us out here ASAP! Please and thanks. It should be somewhat easier today since I'll be gone for a while.

Though I guess if I'm trying to GTH myself as much as possible, based entirely on tone, I guess I could move my reads of Kites, Turnip Head, and wolbre04 to the slight town section. I want to see more from them though and I don't feel comfortable committing to those because they're based on so little.

Alright, fuck with those Persians while I'm gone. I want to see scared Persians when I get back.

It looks like alliance claiming is a tricky thing in this game. But I'll do my best to help you out!
Someone's following along the thread and has only commented when called upon. Not a good look

Haha, that's just how I do things, Scotty. It's day zero and I don't have much to add to the discussion. Not to worry though, I'll get my analysis glasses on before the poll is up so I can place my vote, and I'll keep you informed. :P

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:19 pm my unconventional rainbow list

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TOWN
dunya- the towniest of them all.

leaning TOWN - in order from greatest to least
MacDougall - what can I say? This is classic Town MacDougall and the tinfoil on me is classic old MacDougall, only this time he's wary of me and wants to keep me around. if this is scum MacD, I'll eat my own hat. If Mac was scum, he'd have hopped on any opportunity to lynch me, I know that for a fact.
M Plus 7 - since it was brought up and I browsed it again, yeah I feel like this is the same MP in Searching For Quin. I'm not sure who called his performance here a watered down supertownie, but with like 4 or 5 high posters in 1 game, I don't think that's really unexpected. I think his defensive stance and general need for acceptance as a Town figure is something Town MP would be eagerly after this early in the game as opposed to Scum MP. I really was pinged by the post to sig, but I feel like we've moved beyond that and it's taken up way too much time considering it was such an early comment and he's been balls to the wall with his posting and very unreserved.
Scotty - he's kind of charming isn't he? I really enjoy reading his posts. I thought it was an act at first, but now that the first part was clarified, I'm a fan of his line of thoughts, his questioning, his prods, his little catches here and there and most of all, his gifs. It's going to be hard to lynch this guy. compliments aside, he's been fishing around in a wide pool of suspects which is what I like most. There's not been any tunneling or focus, and he didn't NO U me, which could have been pretty easy for him to do. He approached my concerns calmly and addressed them openly, without reserve. I like that. leaning strong town.
sig - doesn't seem overly concerned about how he appears in posts. people who think too much about how their words come across have something to hide. people who post what they're thinking, as they're thinking it, come across genuine. sometimes our thoughts are non-conclusive or maybe even don't make sense, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't share them. Every thought can be valuable if someone else has an idea or an alternate view towards that thought. I don't care if he adds some fluffy words to his posts, he's had strong stances against 2 outspoken players in this game: he could have certainly played it safer if he wanted to.
Choutas - I like his contributions so far. he's getting into the heart of the matter, he's not tiptoeing. He's saying what he thinks without being wishy washy and easily swayed away.
Long Con - I don't know how much of the thread he's read, but I feel like this is early days Long Con. He'll see one thing he likes that someone else said and he'll agree with that. He's done pretty much that. When he was scum, the only game I played with him where he was scum (Seinfeld), it was a sockpuppet account, but he actually made more of an effort to give a variety of reads and leave little trails here and there. Town Long Con doesn't have to blend in or think ahead so far, he kind of plays it day by day which is the feeling I've gotten so far from him so leaning town for now.
wolbre04 - i like this guy. he seems sincere and open, and unafraid. people who are paying attention to not break the rules are good in my books. people who aren't reserved in contributing some fast opinions about people are good. leaning town atm.

non conclusive
Marmot - I don't even know what he thinks of anyone or anything. Seems to have agreed with Long Con that what I did was something a bad Marmot would have done, but didn't follow up or conclude that train of thought. I'm not surprised, cos it's Marmot, but I've seen a more invested Town Marmot in FE and I want to see that again before I decide where to place him.
novaselinenever - I've been scum with nova and I've seen town nova. Town nova is a beast. He's actually a pretty active poster and makes real thought-out cases so a definite asset down the road. I've also seen a scum nova basically be MIA for most of the game. I can't say he's completely inactive here, but the activity level is definitely not what I saw when he helped win a game on NF recently so I'm putting him in the middle for now.
speedchuck - I'd like to see more activity from speed, I'm wary of him in every game as a general rule. Heck, in FE I suggested we kill off rabbit8 an inactive just so speedchuck didn't replace him because I didn't want to face him. I know he's slick, but I also know people never give him much of a chance when he's town. I didn't like how he hadn't provided any reads or comments until his Town and Remainder list, but at least he was one of the first to offer that, so that's something. I hope I see more directed attention from speed on anyone (some people).
Dom - idk. he's certainly made a lot of points and he's vocal and loud about them, but idk how I feel about him. I still feel like he was grasping at straws and doing something he's accused others of doing with the sig argument, where I feel like there wasn't all that much to be said but he wanted to say a lot of things and make it seem like he has justification by challenging me to interpret the post. Clearly, I understood sig, and didn't see the big issue. Maybe that's an advantage for a non-native speaker I wouldn't vote for him today, even though I didn't like the sig episode, because I like his dominant style (like a blend of MacDougall and Ricochet and JJJ in one) so I wanna see what else he comes up with.

no intel, need more data:
ColinIsCool
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
lapluie
Kites
Spacedaisy
Lunalee
Kylemii

leaning SCUM
Turnip Head - I really can't place his personality in a little sqaure box yet. I'm...confused. He's actively involved, but I don't really know what to make of him amongst all the jokey posts. How much has TH actually really contributed? wait, so I had TH in the non conclusive list, but now that I have his ISO open, I feel like he deserves a light scum read for being all fluff and no content. The only thing I like from him is being the first to call Sloonei out for some hypocricy re: his ColinIsCool vote. But that's like literally the only thing.
Sloonei - I've heard the word sloppy being thrown around, and tbh, I think it applies to Sloonei most. The Colin vote reasoning was bad. He voted for him because he offered no thoughts? Yeah, Colin and about 10 other people at least. Apart from a nod to MP as town, and voting for Colin, I have no idea where Sloonei's head is at and that worries me. I get he's 5 pages behind, but even so, I'd say he has a good 7 pages of content and I would expect more. I do feel like he went back on the right track of Sloonei-like prodding right before he had to leave for work again, but I'd like to see more.
Golden (this is before he's begun reposting, so don't call me out on this, I know he's posting like batshit crazy as I type this damn list but I keep getting distracted with packing and shit) - for all that Golden has said, I don't feel like he's shared any real suspects beyond suspicion for me and defending himself. It seems like he townreads Mac, sig, MP, Scotty... is this how Golden scumhunts? POE by forming more townreads? His conversation with me earlier today reminded me a lot of RadicalFuzz's responses to me in Vocaroo2. There was a lot of headbutting and dead ends. To be fair to Golden, he answered my question in the end (after I completely lost interest and do not credit his answer 2 hours later), but I feel like he's spent more time defending himself and getting into lengthy finger pointing arguments than actually spreading himself out. Also, before his GTH list, he hadn't addressed Epi or commented on Epi. He followed up his list with an Epi vote, taking his placeholder "no baggage" vote off Sloonei (distancing?). Similarly, his only interaction with Choutas before that was defending himself against Choutas' accusations. I guess I just found it unusual that for all the conversation that happened in the thread, his 2 greatest suspects at that point were Epi and Choutas. It wasn't at all expected? I've done a quick browse of his most recent posts and yea.............maybe I can add more nice things but fuck it, I'm posting this now.
that said, I'm placing a vote on Turnip Head for now because of lack of real contributions to this point while keeping an active presence.

I'm impressed that after all of this, [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] and [mention]Long Con[/mention] are voting for you. Dunya has like THE strongest town read right now.

There's so much going on here, I'm having trouble getting a read on anyone at this point. But here's where I'm at right now: Dunya feels genuine to me, and as was mentioned before, the fact that she's added so much to the thread gives her a civvie vibe. It would make total sense for Persians to lead a lynch against Dunya on day one. To them, she's a threat, and getting her out of the game early gives them an advantage.

With that said, I'm still hesitant to place a vote right now. I'll check back in later.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:08 am Statistically speaking, we’re likely to catch a baddie by lynching Speedchuck.

That's not how statistics work. His chances of being scum in this game are the same as everyone else's. It is not dependent on previous games. I'm sure you realize that, but just clarifying for anyone who might think this is a good argument.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:40 pm
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:39 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:08 am Statistically speaking, we’re likely to catch a baddie by lynching Speedchuck.
That's not how statistics work. His chances of being scum in this game are the same as everyone else's. It is not dependent on previous games. I'm sure you realize that, but just clarifying for anyone who might think this is a good argument.
Do you have a read on speedchuck yet?

Speed is tricky. I've played games with him in person, and it is always difficult to tell when he's scum or not. Right now I have no definite read.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:33 pm
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:44 am There's so much going on here, I'm having trouble getting a read on anyone at this point. But here's where I'm at right now: Dunya feels genuine to me, and as was mentioned before, the fact that she's added so much to the thread gives her a civvie vibe. It would make total sense for Persians to lead a lynch against Dunya on day one. To them, she's a threat, and getting her out of the game early gives them an advantage.

With that said, I'm still hesitant to place a vote right now. I'll check back in later.
Why are you hesitant?

I'm hesitant because I don't want to lynch a civilian on day one. I want my vote to count, and go towards the right person.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:33 pm
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:39 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:08 am Statistically speaking, we’re likely to catch a baddie by lynching Speedchuck.
That's not how statistics work. His chances of being scum in this game are the same as everyone else's. It is not dependent on previous games. I'm sure you realize that, but just clarifying for anyone who might think this is a good argument.
You have thus far defended dunya and subtly defended Speedchuck, while I guess shining on a light of suspicion on those that would have led a lynch on dunya without naming any names.[/spoiler]

If I hadn’t offered the olive branch on people I haven’t played with before, you would be getting my vote rIght now

I appreciate you olive branch Scotty, I may have to return the generous favor.

I defended Dunya because I feel she's being genuine. I guess I'm better at defending than incriminating, I may have to work on my playstyle here.

I did not defend Speedchuck, I'm just really passionate about the misuse of statistics. If further evidence shows speedchuck may be scum, I will happily help lynch him (sorry [mention]speedchuck[/mention] , still love you).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:34 pm Speedchuck, gimme a read on lunalee. Please and thanks.
GTH town.

Though I've never played mafia, IRL or elsewhere, with a scum Luna. At least, I don't remember doing so.

That's because my whole time on the syndicate I have not once gotten a scum role :P

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:23 pm
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dunya wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:57 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:52 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:47 pm I am here. whoa! what a game.

fair warning, I'll be travelling April 24th till May 4th so don't expect crazy dunia level of activity. kthx.

lots of people I haven't played with before, and Choutas!!!!!!! we haven't played together since mid-RYM mafia days. it's gonna be interesting.
You're mafia, aren't you?
I'm very much town. What about you?
Town AF.

I don't know if I buy it, MP. But for now I'm placing my vote on Long Con, since he was first to kick off the Dunya bandwagon.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:57 pm Ok so when you say “return the favor” on the olive branch, are you just saying that because you suspect me? I think you should go for it if so, otherwise no need. I’m a strong boy (or so my momma says) and I can take it

I don't suspect you right now, so by "returning the favor" I simply meant I'm not planning to vote for you on day one. I'm also amused that had you not made that promise of not voting for new players on day one, that you would want to lynch me. I'll give you a pass if you really feel that way. :P

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:06 pm Hmmm... I'm not sure I'm digging what Lunalee is throwing down.

Lunalee, why is dunya genuine exactly? You keep emphasizing that ad nauseum, but Golden, Mac, and I have put as much into the thread as she has, and at some point you even said you didn't buy what I was saying. Explain.

I'm moving my vote there now until I get a response upon which I can reassess.

Dunya has posted a lot. And of what I've read, I see nothing that makes me think she's not legit trying to find baddies.

Golden, Mac, and yourself have put effort into the thread, but I mean, Golden kind of agrees with me:

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:03 pm And am I finding MP shady as shit? I probably wouldn't go quite that far... but he's jumping out of his skin to make reads that aren't there, so certainly suspectable.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:26 pm
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:23 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:06 pm Hmmm... I'm not sure I'm digging what Lunalee is throwing down.

Lunalee, why is dunya genuine exactly? You keep emphasizing that ad nauseum, but Golden, Mac, and I have put as much into the thread as she has, and at some point you even said you didn't buy what I was saying. Explain.

I'm moving my vote there now until I get a response upon which I can reassess.
Dunya has posted a lot. And of what I've read, I see nothing that makes me think she's not legit trying to find baddies.

Golden, Mac, and yourself have put effort into the thread, but I mean, Golden kind of agrees with me:
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:03 pm And am I finding MP shady as shit? I probably wouldn't go quite that far... but he's jumping out of his skin to make reads that aren't there, so certainly suspectable.

This doesn't answer my question, sorry.

Let me explain:

As of this moment, Golden is the top poster with 142 posts. I have 120. dunya has 87. Scotty has 86. Sloonei has 77. Mac has 76. You get the idea. dunya is not a sole beacon of effort this game.

Consequently, your read that dunya's effort is leading you to a solid town read of her is confusing to me, especially when you're apparently reading me as shady. Why am I shady? Why don't you have town reads of anyone else in that list?

I realize that dunya is not the sole beacon of effort in this game. You guys have been posting a lot, but I don't really care about post counts. My opinion of dunya is based on the fact that her posts seem to be genuinely helpful for analyzing the game.

As I'm reviewing posts to put my opinion of you and Golden into words, I've found that you seem to be patting each other on the back with town-reads. Just looks a bit suspicious for Golden to "confirm" you as a town read on multiple posts.

I don't have reads of anyone else in that list because right now because I feel like any read I put out is based off minimal data. I'll offer a read if something sticks out to me.

So yeah, I've convinced myself to change my vote to Golden.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:52 pm
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M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:46 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:44 pm The thing about sig is, I'm not voting for him. The thing about Epi is, I can't read him for shit, but I'm not going to throw a vote at him for a possible mislynch, or more likely, a wasted vote when he decides he doesn't feel like being lynched and makes you all vote somewhere else.
Hey LC, do you have any notable reads other than dunya? And what specifically in her post history is what led you to not believe her; like, if you were trying to convince me that she's bad news, what would should I consider then?
Nothing that big. I was getting suspicious of Golden there, and I can't decide if I should let it go.
Then again, now Luna is voting for him, and her judgment in voting me was off.
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But a person's entitled to make mistakes.

I'm not that suspicious of most others, lots of my reading has been hasty catchup over thoughtful analysis.

I don't understand the nova thing, it seems like randomness.

Your logical fallacy here is cracking me up.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:59 pm Marmot voted for me? In a poll that ends on my birthday. I'll happily return the favor for him since he so kindly gave me his vopte instead of his customary Day 1 self vote. Wouldn't want him to feel too off missing that vote on Day 1 that is normally behind his name...

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Careful, retaliation voting makes you look scummy.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:03 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:01 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:59 pm Marmot voted for me? In a poll that ends on my birthday. I'll happily return the favor for him since he so kindly gave me his vopte instead of his customary Day 1 self vote. Wouldn't want him to feel too off missing that vote on Day 1 that is normally behind his name...

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
Careful, retaliation voting makes you look scummy.
Why would you care how Daisy looks?

Just a friendly warning. I did this in the image mafia game, and it made people suspect me later.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:17 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:17 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:09 pm I just isoed Luna. I can see how you might see that as a first-time baddie in a team with dunya. It's within the realms of possibility, but by no means beyond doubt. But as I'm voting for neither of them today, I'll revisit it later.
Has Lunalee only played civ?
I think so? I didn't play Image but seems she was town that game according to JOH. Other than that, she was town in every Burglary I think as well.

Yep, only civ, and one 3P.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:24 pm Hey, Lunalee, I asked you a question about logical fallacies. Did you miss it?

Yep, I missed it. You should tag me when asking a question. You asked about my use of the term logical fallacy? All I meant was that LC's reasoning was erroneous. His vote on Golden should not be dependent on my previous vote on him.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:26 pm
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speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:57 pm Lots to dig into though. I was addressed several times while I was gone, and I'll talk about the one I remember.

I think Luna is town. She is playing as I would expect her to on D1 in her first online mafia game.
(But speed, this is not her first online mafia game!)
You think burglaries and freaking Image Mafia count? Not that Luna played much differently in the burglaries. She was town then as well. We have put up more content in one day than Luna has parsed in her entire syndicate run, and I think her posts work with her latching onto elements that she can follow and giving what opinions she has.
I don't discourage pursuing a scumread on her and asking her questions. It might help her to engage with the thread, since she is a "true freshman" and not a "transfer" like Nova, Wolbre, etc. Just keep the filter in mind. And through my filter, I see her as town.
is lunalee relatively new? not from RYM or one of those sites?

Yep, here's the "get to know me post" I made in the Intro thread:

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Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:03 pm
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speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:42 pmShe's myy wiiiife. *borat voice*
seriously? I had no idea

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:41 pmYep, here's the "get to know me post" I made in the Intro thread:
so then would you rate your level of familiarity with dunya and golden's respective fetas as being generally pretty low?

I'm sort of familiar with dunya's meta. Not so much Golden's.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:15 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:13 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:03 pm
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speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:42 pmShe's myy wiiiife. *borat voice*
seriously? I had no idea

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:41 pmYep, here's the "get to know me post" I made in the Intro thread:
so then would you rate your level of familiarity with dunya and golden's respective fetas as being generally pretty low?
I'm sort of familiar with dunya's meta. Not so much Golden's.
Not at all mine yet, I’d say, unless I’m wrong that we haven’t played together before? Or is this a ‘you’ve heard of me’ thing like dunya with dom?

Yep, I don't believe I've played with you before, Golden. I'm only familiar with dunya's meta because we've been in a couple of games together, and I've heard more about her.

BTW, that was a crazy turn of events earlier. I was around until the last half hour before the lynch, and didn't realize sig had any votes. Anyone care to explain what happened? [mention]novaselinenever[/mention] , [mention]Marmot[/mention] , [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] , [mention]Dom[/mention] , [mention]Golden[/mention]

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:37 pm This is a good place to start

Thanks, I see it.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:45 pm
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From D1 (Updated)

Dunya: 2- Long Con, Epignosis
Epignosis: 4 - Scotty, Jack of Hearts, Speedchuck, Wolbre04
Golden: 2 - Lunalee, Croutons
Lunalee: 2 - Kylemii, ColinisCool
Marmot: 1 - Space Daisy
Novaselinenever: 4 - MacDougal, Sloonei, Sig, Turnip
Sig:: 5 - Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, Golden
Turniphead: 1 - Dunya

There's 2-3 scum in: Scotty, Jack, Speed, Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, and Golden
Further narrowed down to: Scotty, Golden, Marmot, Nova, Speed

Here's a Pretty List:
Jack
MP
Dom
Speed
Golden
Scotty
Marmot
Nova

Just what I'm thinking

So your suspicions lie on anyone who voted for confirmed town. Even though you did the very same thing.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:33 pm Theories

1) Baddies include one or both of dunya and wolbre
2) Baddies want us to lynch one of dunya and wolbre

Source:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:46 pm
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wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:52 am wolbre04 When you get the chance what do you think of the Golden, MP, Mac, and Dunya?
D1 is purely conjecture on my part until someone does something overly messy to me, but Golden and Mac seem to be interested in leading the pack and being outspoken
This is fine of course, but the later the game goes, the more I consider whether they are just leading us right into the fire
"The later the game goes the more I consider whether" means you are assured you will be around later to act on this seed.

And the fire is not dangerous if you cannot be led to it.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm Dunya was really helpful, but basically a neutral leaning town
dunya has not been helpful, and you two are teammates.

[VOTE: wolbre04] aubergine

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:33 pm 3) Baddies saw Epi's performance in GoC and are intimidated by him generally
4) Baddies just want to screw with us
5) Baddies don't know what is up

Anyone want to rank these theories?

OR:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:47 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:42 pm
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Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:41 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:30 pm This is why I hate changeable votes. I always convince myself out of the thing I believe in. I should have voted Epi.
Then you are most easily convinced by a man without conviction.
Don't get lippy with me, I just kept you alive and I don't think the best course of action is to make me regret it.
You already regret it.

Scum Golden then convinces his scum buddies to off Epi. For petty revenge.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:09 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:01 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:59 pm Marmot voted for me? In a poll that ends on my birthday. I'll happily return the favor for him since he so kindly gave me his vopte instead of his customary Day 1 self vote. Wouldn't want him to feel too off missing that vote on Day 1 that is normally behind his name...

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
Careful, retaliation voting makes you look scummy.
This is a weird post. "Weird does not equal bad" has been the mantra of this game, but I have to ask about what motivated this post, @@Lunalee? It reads oddly threatening, like you are trying to setup a suspicion of daisy for later. Do you suspect Daisy or do you not?

I do not suspect Daisy right now.
MP asked the same thing:

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:15 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:14 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:03 pm
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:01 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:59 pm Marmot voted for me? In a poll that ends on my birthday. I'll happily return the favor for him since he so kindly gave me his vopte instead of his customary Day 1 self vote. Wouldn't want him to feel too off missing that vote on Day 1 that is normally behind his name...

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
Careful, retaliation voting makes you look scummy.
Why would you care how Daisy looks?
Just a friendly warning. I did this in the image mafia game, and it made people suspect me later.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:33 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:25 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:19 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:09 am
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:07 am And again, to be clear: Colin wasn't an option because your objective was to break the tie?
My objective is always to vote somewhere it can make a difference. I don't think there is ever any value in town voting off wagon, no matter how much you might think every wagon is civ. I don't care about breaking the tie - I'd have voted my biggest suspect of the three even if it created a tie.
I think there is a difference in game philosophy coming to light here. Voting off wagon has its benefits and I don't want to spell all of them out necessarily, but one is to apply pressure. I felt that lunalee's conduct was the most suspicious of anyone I'd ISO'd that day and certainly more suspicious than the others. And I would rather put pressure on someone who I think may be scum than kill someone who I don't see a case for. Sorry if you think that's bad play, but that's how it is and how it's gonna be.
How do you apply pressure with 8 minutes left before the deadline on someone with 1 vote ?
The game didn't end after the Day 1 lynch, did it?
Are you implying that you had no attention to lynch her D1 ?

Can I add input here? Sorry if you felt ignored Colin, but Speedchuck gave me some advice last game I played that it is more useful to town to analyze posts and scum hunt than repeatedly defend ones self. That is what I'm trying to do. And yes, I do realize the irony of this comment, but just wanted to throw that out.

LOL [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] , [mention]Long Con[/mention] You both look pretty suspicious right now.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:56 pm
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:32 pm
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:45 pm
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From D1 (Updated)

Dunya: 2- Long Con, Epignosis
Epignosis: 4 - Scotty, Jack of Hearts, Speedchuck, Wolbre04
Golden: 2 - Lunalee, Croutons
Lunalee: 2 - Kylemii, ColinisCool
Marmot: 1 - Space Daisy
Novaselinenever: 4 - MacDougal, Sloonei, Sig, Turnip
Sig:: 5 - Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, Golden
Turniphead: 1 - Dunya

There's 2-3 scum in: Scotty, Jack, Speed, Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, and Golden
Further narrowed down to: Scotty, Golden, Marmot, Nova, Speed

Here's a Pretty List:
Jack
MP
Dom
Speed
Golden
Scotty
Marmot
Nova

Just what I'm thinking

So your suspicions lie on anyone who voted for confirmed town. Even though you did the very same thing.
I was worried about a tie tbh, a d1 no lynch has happened to me in games before and I feel like it puts us into an endless cycle of misinformation. This probably sounds flimsy but
a. I'm new so Epi's behavior seemed weird as I don't know anyone's metas that was alive at the time
b. I posted the "No Lynching is illegal" Trump gif (this should obviously be enough)
c. I wasn't going to be around for several hours after voting, and he seemed the best option at the time (I didn't post after that for quite awhile). I wouldn't have felt comfortable with a sig lynch because he was not acting scummy based on my games with him on my home forum.
d. At the time, Epi had 3(?) votes on him I believe and was the leading wagon, with 2(?) votes on another player - I wasn't going to risk a tie when our information tank is empty.

For wolbre to have been so concerned about a day one no-lynch makes me suspect him a bit. I'm going to [VOTE: wolbre04] aubergine for now.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:12 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:08 am LOL M Plus 7 , Long Con You both look pretty suspicious right now.
What do you think of the suspicion that has been directed at you? You haven't seemed to acknowledge it unless I missed it.

You missed it.

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M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:18 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:16 am
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:56 pm
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:32 pm
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:45 pm
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From D1 (Updated)

Dunya: 2- Long Con, Epignosis
Epignosis: 4 - Scotty, Jack of Hearts, Speedchuck, Wolbre04
Golden: 2 - Lunalee, Croutons
Lunalee: 2 - Kylemii, ColinisCool
Marmot: 1 - Space Daisy
Novaselinenever: 4 - MacDougal, Sloonei, Sig, Turnip
Sig:: 5 - Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, Golden
Turniphead: 1 - Dunya

There's 2-3 scum in: Scotty, Jack, Speed, Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, and Golden
Further narrowed down to: Scotty, Golden, Marmot, Nova, Speed

Here's a Pretty List:
Jack
MP
Dom
Speed
Golden
Scotty
Marmot
Nova

Just what I'm thinking

So your suspicions lie on anyone who voted for confirmed town. Even though you did the very same thing.
I was worried about a tie tbh, a d1 no lynch has happened to me in games before and I feel like it puts us into an endless cycle of misinformation. This probably sounds flimsy but
a. I'm new so Epi's behavior seemed weird as I don't know anyone's metas that was alive at the time
b. I posted the "No Lynching is illegal" Trump gif (this should obviously be enough)
c. I wasn't going to be around for several hours after voting, and he seemed the best option at the time (I didn't post after that for quite awhile). I wouldn't have felt comfortable with a sig lynch because he was not acting scummy based on my games with him on my home forum.
d. At the time, Epi had 3(?) votes on him I believe and was the leading wagon, with 2(?) votes on another player - I wasn't going to risk a tie when our information tank is empty.
For wolbre to have been so concerned about a day one no-lynch makes me suspect him a bit. I'm going to [VOTE: wolbre04] aubergine for now.
Can you explain this logic?

And thanks for answering on the response to suspicion by the way.

Logic: wolbre joined a lynch train and when I asked about it, defended his decision by saying he didn't want the chance of a no-lynch on day 1 (although he was mistaken about how that worked). I would be okay with a defense based off his suspicion of the person, but to just want to get a lynch through no matter what, seems like a scummy thing to do. More town kills leads to faster mafia victory.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:04 pm
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Catch-up time.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:40 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:58 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:56 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:53 pm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

[this part]If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.[/right here]
explanation?
Colin's post, boiled down

"I have a reason not to vote nova and a reason not to vote epi and... err... there's one specific post about sig that isn't bad and then nothing changed my mind... so I'll vote off wagon"

All while sig is one vote behind.
Sorry it was Colin, not Scotty. Yes very bad look for Colin.
It's a bad look to vote for somebody I'm suspicious of, as opposed to jumping on a wagon I don't believe in (which, by the way, turned out to be a civ)? Golden's paraphrase of my post here is disingenuous and distorts the character of my message.

If sig is bad, Colin is bad. If sig is good ... well, guess Colin is still bad?

I really agree with voting for someone you're suspicious of instead of jumping on a wagon. That was my mentality day one. However, it doesn't do any good if no one shares your suspicions. For that reason I'm reviewing other lynch candidate's posts to see if I have any reason to switch if no one gets on board with my wolbre suspicions. So far you're not pinging my scum radar, so I'll move along.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:05 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:34 am I just cannot fathom this behavior. What even is this?
It is baddie LC. I feel very confident in it. I've been in disputes like this with LC when I've correctly called him out before.

I'm in for voting LC. I suspected him on day one. With everyone's suspicions, why is no one voting him yet? [VOTE: LongCon] aubergine

I'm still not happy with my current vote on LongCon. Golden, you're posts are looking pretty solid to me. I think I'm going to hop over to sloonei
[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:56 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:54 pm I'm still not happy with my current vote on LongCon. Golden, you're posts are looking pretty solid to me. I think I'm going to hop over to sloonei
[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
Is there any specific reasons my posts made you feel better about me? You had previously been voting for me.

I did place my vote on you for a while. But that was two days ago. I've seen more of your posts since then and feel better about you. Sorry, there's nothing specific I can point to. But depending on how Sloonei flips, I may change my mind.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:02 pm I’m liking Luna’s organicness today. I don’t feel as brash and accusatory as I felt yesterday.

There’s a bunch of peeps I’m unsure of in this game. Like SpaceDaisy. When she gets back from margaritaville, I hope she can show some of that civ life I remember from GoC(even tho she wasn’t civ lol)

Well I'm flattered

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] , I'm surprised you haven't placed a vote yet today. Who do you suspect?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:04 am @Turnip Head get your torch out.

@Lunalee I see you there.

Hi MacDougall. I'm around. Really not sure what to think about this Colin/Sloonei tie.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:20 pm
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:50 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:09 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:01 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:59 pm Marmot voted for me? In a poll that ends on my birthday. I'll happily return the favor for him since he so kindly gave me his vopte instead of his customary Day 1 self vote. Wouldn't want him to feel too off missing that vote on Day 1 that is normally behind his name...

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
Careful, retaliation voting makes you look scummy.
This is a weird post. "Weird does not equal bad" has been the mantra of this game, but I have to ask about what motivated this post, @@Lunalee? It reads oddly threatening, like you are trying to setup a suspicion of daisy for later. Do you suspect Daisy or do you not?
I do not suspect Daisy right now.
MP asked the same thing:
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:15 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:14 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:03 pm
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:01 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:59 pm Marmot voted for me? In a poll that ends on my birthday. I'll happily return the favor for him since he so kindly gave me his vopte instead of his customary Day 1 self vote. Wouldn't want him to feel too off missing that vote on Day 1 that is normally behind his name...

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
Careful, retaliation voting makes you look scummy.
Why would you care how Daisy looks?
Just a friendly warning. I did this in the image mafia game, and it made people suspect me later.

Responding to ancient posts because that's just where I'm at right now. MP and I did not ask you the same question. MP asked why you care how Daisy looks. I asked how you read Daisy, MP asked why you were concerned about her appearance. Better stated, my concern is that it looked like you were trying to indirectly establish a suspicion against Daisy without coming out and stating it firmly. You say you do not suspect Daisy. Why not?

I currently give [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] a null read, because she hasn't been around much, and hasn't even voted yet today. I did not put as much thought into this post as you and MP have, so no. I was not trying to indirectly establish suspicion.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:31 pm I think Sloonei is town.

What's your opinion on MP?

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:41 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:39 pm [VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine
Why were you voting for me?

I'm was not happy with my current vote on LongCon. I thought Golden's posts looked convincing, and he was voting for you. So I changed my vote to you! Really quite simple reasoning. And I already posted such.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:41 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:36 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:31 pm I think Sloonei is town.
What's your opinion on MP?
Of all the highest posters (Macdougall, Golden, MP... and Kylemii) I suspect him the most. But not enough to lead an entourage against him.

Cool, I suspect him enough to put my vote on him. If you'd like to join me, feel free.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:00 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:41 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:36 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:31 pm I think Sloonei is town.
What's your opinion on MP?
Of all the highest posters (Macdougall, Golden, MP... and Kylemii) I suspect him the most. But not enough to lead an entourage against him.
Cool, I suspect him enough to put my vote on him. If you'd like to join me, feel free.
I don't think that would do anything at the moment. Do you want to elaborate a case on him of some sort? Find a post of his that specifically pings you?

Not really

Wow, first scum lynch! I've learned a few things from this:
1. I don't feel confident in my ability to scum-hunt. I will probably review who all led the charge on colin, and follow their lead.
2. Defending ANYONE in game is a bad idea. I will suppress my nice-person side and not give anyone else the benefit of the doubt.
3. I won't be mad if you all want to lynch me next. I realize that I look pretty darn scummy right now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:10 pm
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We have received word of a prophecy of the pythia from the Oracle at Delphi.

Choutas is clouding his eyes with a focus on principles only
Dougall looks great and he should be a beacon for rational thinkers
Listen to words from the gods who say Golden and Empee are townies
Speedchuck is trustworthy, Luna and Kyle we can safely rely on
Persians amongst us, but sloonei was lynched and we cheered to the heavens

I can't believe my luck, guys. I was literally just town confirmed by an oracle.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:12 pm Sloonei, I can be convinced you aren't bad, but what I really hope to see from you today are gut reads on everyone - not based on reading the whole thread or anything, I just want to know where your head is at. So far you've spent your whole time in a defensive mode that I don't particularly think looks good on you (for instance, calling out your voters as having given you nothing to defend against). Don't defend. Hunt.

Interactive analyses such as you have time for would be great.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:10 pm Choutas is clouding his eyes with a focus on principles only
Dougall looks great and he should be a beacon for rational thinkers
Listen to words from the gods who say Golden and Empee are townies
Speedchuck is trustworthy, Luna and Kyle we can safely rely on
Persians amongst us, but sloonei was lynched and we cheered to the heavens

What about this convinces you that Sloonei is not bad? I'm putting my vote on him today.
[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:35 am
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:07 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:05 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:34 am I just cannot fathom this behavior. What even is this?
It is baddie LC. I feel very confident in it. I've been in disputes like this with LC when I've correctly called him out before.
I'm in for voting LC. I suspected him on day one. With everyone's suspicions, why is no one voting him yet? [VOTE: LongCon] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:54 pm I'm still not happy with my current vote on LongCon. Golden, you're posts are looking pretty solid to me. I think I'm going to hop over to sloonei
[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
@Lunalee what changed between these two posts?

I ditched my Long Con vote because my single vote on him was not going to do anything. I switched to Sloonei because of the two lynch trains, I felt most confident about his. I am still suspicious of both Sloonei and Long Con.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:42 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:40 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:35 am
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:07 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:05 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:34 am I just cannot fathom this behavior. What even is this?
It is baddie LC. I feel very confident in it. I've been in disputes like this with LC when I've correctly called him out before.
I'm in for voting LC. I suspected him on day one. With everyone's suspicions, why is no one voting him yet? [VOTE: LongCon] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:54 pm I'm still not happy with my current vote on LongCon. Golden, you're posts are looking pretty solid to me. I think I'm going to hop over to sloonei
[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
@Lunalee what changed between these two posts?
I ditched my Long Con vote because my single vote on him was not going to do anything. I switched to Sloonei because of the two lynch trains, I felt most confident about his. I am still suspicious of both Sloonei and Long Con.
But those votes were less than an hour apart?

True. I mistakenly thought the poll ended at 5, so I was quick to jump. I realized later that I had another day.

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