The Syndicate

Woooo mafia game!

Wait, the poll won't let me vote after clicking "see results". Usually I can just re-load the page and then vote. Will this be a thing with the game that I should be aware of?
[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:18 pmhai thurrr

nutella!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:52 pm Try again with the vote issue.

It's corrected now. Thanks!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:36 pm I forget how to play mafia. Someone remind me.

Well you generally try to figure out who is bad, and then lynch them.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:23 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:06 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:36 pm I forget how to play mafia. Someone remind me.
Well you generally try to figure out who is bad, and then lynch them.
Oh, right.
[VOTE: lunalee] aubergine... eventually.

I mean, who knows? I might get lucky and get recruited to the mafia team.

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:39 pmHello everyone.

Welcome K-Ness! Tell me about yourself. What brings you to this epic mega man game?

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:21 am I’ve never actually played a Mega Man game. Never heard anything bad about the franchise, it’s just one of those that I never got around to.

Hi Bullzeye! I haven't played with you before either. Tell me something about yourself.

Day 1! Are we getting serious now?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:15 am I promised to vote for lunalee, so I did that.

Well that's sort of a dumb choice.

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:32 am
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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:02 am
Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:45 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:06 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:28 pmhi
Hello. We have not played together. Tell me about yourself.
Pleased to meet you.

Umm, I'm a 20 year old guy who isn't very interesting.

Yourself?
I am an exceedingly interesting 26 year old male.

What’s your deal in the game of mafia?
Well consider my interest piqued!

What do you mean by 'deal''?
What's your playstyle? Where do you come from? How long have you been playing? What do you look for when you're playing?
I'm not really sure how to describe my playstyle. I tend to interrogate people a lot, and my intuition has often proven to be pretty strong.

I come from a community I've been a part of ever since I was 12 or so, I've grown up alongside the people there and got some close friends there

I've been playing forum mafia for about two and a half years

I read posts and listen to what my intuition tells me about them, so I don't really actively look for anything specific, I just let my reads come to me -but obviously ultimately I'm looking for scum, even if I'm scum myself I try to trick myself into genuinely looking for scum but I have a difficult time doing that. And of course I look for fun!

What about yourself?

Got any "intuition" reads yet?

Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

Also, lynching speedchuck on day one is just straight up lazy. Come on people, we can do better than that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:28 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:21 pm Also, lynching speedchuck on day one is just straight up lazy. Come on people, we can do better than that.
I agree that things ought to be shaken up. Let's see where your Long Con thing takes us.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I thought you promised to vote for me today.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:30 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.
I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

Really? What games has he done this in, and was he town or mafia?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:55 pm
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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:30 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.
I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

This is sketchy, and a stretch, on the reread. It's a sktretch.

It's more wishy-washy and noncommittal than water. Are you trying to be Switzerland here? Are you trying to catch baddies or be Involved In A Discussion? You cast a vote, which I can only assume is supposed to look like pressure, and then you proceed to post with as little pressure as possible on me.

And, I just have to focus on this sexy piece of blather: "This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up." Disappointed us when it wasn't a revelation-filled-look-at-past-games kind of pattern, but just you saying you see some pattern in the four posts Luna quoted. I can look at the horse picture behind my monitors and see, in the horse group, black-black-white-black-black-black-white, and yeah that's a possible pattern, and no it doesn't mean anything. PLUS, now it's maybe-suspicious in your world to move from ignorance to understanding as time progresses? Or are you Billy Pilgrim, displaced in time and confused about how I could have understanding at one point in time, and also have ignorance at another? We live in a linear world, buddy. Also, I was never ignorant of the answers to my questions, just to reiterate.

So you claim you were attempting to set scum traps with your questions? Or just get discussion flowing? If the latter, I would rather have discussions about players and their posts and reads, than game mechanics. Discussing mechanics is always a good distraction from the more important discussions at hand.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:28 pm Eloh thinks i’m good and bad at the same time

Sounds like a very townie mindset. Eloh I mean.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:46 pm I like Luna's post about Long Con looking suss.

Hi Colin! I like you too.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:26 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:11 pm Good: Luna, Mac, Jack, Nutella, Speedchuck

Bad: Quin, Sloonei, Long Con, JJJ
mmm wrong about LC but otherwise k

Why do you say so, nutella? (or maybe I should just catch up before posting)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:29 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:28 pm Eloh thinks i’m good and bad at the same time
Sounds like a very townie mindset. Eloh I mean.
can’t tell if sarcasm

Not sarcasm.
I haven't looked at all of her posts, but to be indecisive on someone like that is usually a town-tell

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:35 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:21 pm Also, lynching speedchuck on day one is just straight up lazy. Come on people, we can do better than that.
Which day 1 votes would not be lazy? Bad point, Lunalee.

No, 48 hours is plenty of time to riddle out a reasonable lynch candidate without falling back on poor "well he's usually scum" fallacy.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:36 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:29 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:28 pm Eloh thinks i’m good and bad at the same time
Sounds like a very townie mindset. Eloh I mean.
can’t tell if sarcasm
Not sarcasm.
I haven't looked at all of her posts, but to be indecisive on someone like that is usually a town-tell
it doesn't look like legitimate indecision though. she literally said "I'm sus of Jay" and "I don't think anything happened to jay on d0" in the same post

Oh, found the post.
That is a little strange, but I still don't think it's a scum-tell. [mention]Elohcin[/mention] Did you forget you suspected Jay mid-post, or did you change your mind on him mid-post?

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:17 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:54 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:09 pm 3J is still good.
Mac is good.
Eloh is good.

Sloonei is...good?
jack is...good?

nova is bad.
lunalee is bad.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:09 pmalso Kyle is bad
plz expand
The town reads are gut for the most part. Some other minor stuff, I guess. dunya took a steaming turd on my reputation for sorting Eloh correctly early, but I'm gonna stick with it.

nova's vote came out of the blue and his subsequent explanation sucks. He didn't even try to engage me before running off.

Lunalee talking about speedchuck doesn't come across well to me.

I thought I'd put you as a civilian after talking to you before, thinking on it, so I have no idea why I've called you bad aside from instinct. There's no way I'm voting for you over it, at least.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:30 am [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine again. Because his posts don't offer anything strong to hold onto and if anyone's an opportunistic bad guy of those 5(!?) voters on me right now, it's him.

Holy shit 5 of you decided to vote for me? Get those off. Shameless emotional appeal incoming: I've been screaming for this game to start for a month. Don't lynch me on Day 1. Not to mention that I'm town.

Guys, Slooni might be town. He seems genuine.

Wait, why the nova lynch?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?

OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:34 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?
OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.
can you elaborate on what you mean by "doesn't look great"?

Like there's nothing there of substance. If he's town, he could be trying harder to help out.

Oh wow, that's not good.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:24 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:34 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?
OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.
can you elaborate on what you mean by "doesn't look great"?
Like there's nothing there of substance. If he's town, he could be trying harder to help out.
These three posts represent the entirety of Luna's participation leading up to the deadline. "Why nova?
Oh, nova hasn't said much.
He could say more.

Then, shortly after the Eloh's megaflip:
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:33 pm Oh wow, that's not good.
I don't like it.

I mean I did suspect Long Con, but since I was the only one voting him, I thought I'd better switch before EOD. Besides my absence, is there something specific you don't like?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:10 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:53 pm
Simon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:38 am Jack, why did you vote coliniscool?
He appeared to be my most lynchable suspect at the time but I didn’t realize people were about to move/had just moved to Eloh. The perils of doing the dishes during EOD.
I'm in a similar boat. EOD was right around the time dinner was ready, and I didn't make it in time. I was surprised to see Eloh back on top, because last time I had glanced in, it seemed like most were accepting that Eloh was genuine, and moving on to Colin or nova.

What was the case on Colin? I didn't know he was a counter-wagon

It would be really cool to have ISO links next to the player list, and for the mega man roles list to be put in a spoiler tag.
[mention]Epignosis[/mention] ?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:30 pm I want everyone to tell me what Elohcin's alignment is, and also why you say so.

Did you ever get your answer? Because it's pretty obvious that mega man is aligned good if their purpose is to defeat the evil scientist:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:27 pm
In the year 20XX...

Spoiler: show

...a super robot named Mega Man was invented by Dr. Light to stop the mysterious evil scientist Dr. Wily, who hijacked and reprogrammed four Robot Masters to serve his criminal plans.

Spoiler: show

It is now Day 0. You have 24 hours to check in, vote, and take care of any preliminary business...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:10 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:03 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:10 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:53 pm
Simon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:38 am Jack, why did you vote coliniscool?
He appeared to be my most lynchable suspect at the time but I didn’t realize people were about to move/had just moved to Eloh. The perils of doing the dishes during EOD.
I'm in a similar boat. EOD was right around the time dinner was ready, and I didn't make it in time. I was surprised to see Eloh back on top, because last time I had glanced in, it seemed like most were accepting that Eloh was genuine, and moving on to Colin or nova.
What was the case on Colin? I didn't know he was a counter-wagon
Colin essentially said Sloonei’s play here reminded him of his play in Greece, specifically the way Sloonei treated him when they were mafia partners.

This was not well received as comparisons to his Sloonei treated a mafia partner would necessitate Colin also being mafia in this game. Ergo, Colin’s case on Sloonei is fake. Ergo Colin is scum.

I saw that, but his point was that Sloonei was placing a vote and making up a reason for it. Would scum Colin be that stupid?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:35 pm Jack knew Jay was gonna die, fight me

You can state your opinions without getting into fights. But what makes you think Jack knew?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:32 pm This is an even worse result than the Day 1 result.
You are so evil and villainous and it offends me that you survived day one.

...did you even vote for Sloonei on day 1?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:39 am
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Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?

So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:23 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:15 am @Marmot I ask you to give me a single read on a person. Or more if it pleases you.
And to answer this question, everyone is mafia until I have proven otherwise.

I don't like Marmot.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:59 pm
DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:16 pm I know if I try to catch up from the beginning I'm never going to catch up, so I'm just coming in now and will go from here. Does anyone know why Day 2 might have been skipped?
My first guess would be that one of the roles of a dead player (Eloh, Jay, Colin) had a condition which would skip the following day phase upon their death, but I have no direct evidence of that. This is just the most common condition I've seen for skipped phases in my mafia experience.
Skipping a day phase is a mafia/anti-town power, yes?

So... either Mega-Man dying caused a bad guy's condition to trigger (way to rub salt in that wound), or Jay/Colin were townies that died and caused the bad guy to trigger (still sucks), OR one of Colin and Jay were somehow bad and their role let them hit us hard when they were vigged. I had a scum role once that would roleblock every townie in the game the night after I was killed. Something like that.

OOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Maybe some arrogant townie said COLIN IS DEFINITELY SCUM and had a one-shot power to trade a day phase for a free kill, sort of like a lynch controller but without the facadarce of votes and wasted day-phase time.

I've been ruminating.

Dang, that last option seems far-fetched, but if that happened, whoever did it deserves to get lynched.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:31 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:25 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:59 pm
DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:16 pm I know if I try to catch up from the beginning I'm never going to catch up, so I'm just coming in now and will go from here. Does anyone know why Day 2 might have been skipped?
My first guess would be that one of the roles of a dead player (Eloh, Jay, Colin) had a condition which would skip the following day phase upon their death, but I have no direct evidence of that. This is just the most common condition I've seen for skipped phases in my mafia experience.
Skipping a day phase is a mafia/anti-town power, yes?

So... either Mega-Man dying caused a bad guy's condition to trigger (way to rub salt in that wound), or Jay/Colin were townies that died and caused the bad guy to trigger (still sucks), OR one of Colin and Jay were somehow bad and their role let them hit us hard when they were vigged. I had a scum role once that would roleblock every townie in the game the night after I was killed. Something like that.

OOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Maybe some arrogant townie said COLIN IS DEFINITELY SCUM and had a one-shot power to trade a day phase for a free kill, sort of like a lynch controller but without the facadarce of votes and wasted day-phase time.

I've been ruminating.
Dang, that last option seems far-fetched, but if that happened, whoever did it deserves to get lynched.
Even if they were right?

no, not if they were right. but we have no way of knowing.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:35 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:31 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:25 pm
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speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:59 pm
DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:16 pm I know if I try to catch up from the beginning I'm never going to catch up, so I'm just coming in now and will go from here. Does anyone know why Day 2 might have been skipped?
My first guess would be that one of the roles of a dead player (Eloh, Jay, Colin) had a condition which would skip the following day phase upon their death, but I have no direct evidence of that. This is just the most common condition I've seen for skipped phases in my mafia experience.
Skipping a day phase is a mafia/anti-town power, yes?

So... either Mega-Man dying caused a bad guy's condition to trigger (way to rub salt in that wound), or Jay/Colin were townies that died and caused the bad guy to trigger (still sucks), OR one of Colin and Jay were somehow bad and their role let them hit us hard when they were vigged. I had a scum role once that would roleblock every townie in the game the night after I was killed. Something like that.

OOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Maybe some arrogant townie said COLIN IS DEFINITELY SCUM and had a one-shot power to trade a day phase for a free kill, sort of like a lynch controller but without the facadarce of votes and wasted day-phase time.

I've been ruminating.
Dang, that last option seems far-fetched, but if that happened, whoever did it deserves to get lynched.
Even if they were right?
no, not if they were right. but we have no way of knowing.
Then what was the point of your first post?

I would rather have a day phase to riddle out a good lynch candidate, than to think that some ninny traded it to lynch who *they* thought might be scum. Granted, this scenario is unlikely. I only bothered to say anything because the idea of it annoyed me.

Analysis post commencing...

Analysis post part 1:
Bullzeye gives his reason for voting Quin. He dislikes Quin's questions, and even after Quin provides a valid response, Bullzeye responds with basically "I'm going to say your response looks fake because I'm so set on voting for you." Not the best look.
DFaraday was definitely around on Sunday, but still hasn't bothered to engage with the thread until today. Could be legit busy, or mafia taking a back-seat role to avoid suspicion.
Dom has done very little other than vote for Eloh. Not a good look.
Dr. Wilgy checked in on day 0, but then forgot the game started until today. Nothing really to go on unless it's a brilliant mafia strategy of "just step away and pretend the game doesn't exist"
Soneji checked in on day 0 and hasn't been back. So I've got nothing.
Alien was actually quite active on day 1, but hasn't been back since. On day 1, Alien left his vote on Mac, even though he previously read "Jack is town, sloon is mafia, mac is slightly suspicious but not as much as sloon, same with eloh" I don't like his back-tracking here.
Marmot called me out for calling him an inactive. He actually has been fairly active, but he still hasn't said all that much.. Maybe it's just his playstyle, but I wouldn't be surprised if Marmot turned out to be scum.

Not done, but posting this for now. I'll finish up later this evening.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:49 pm
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

This post ignores any possible subtlety and other motivations for question-asking, and leaps straight to "false ignorance or genuine ignorance, either way I'll vote for him". The goal is more to create a weird, confusing target than anything else. Not a good look.

I should have known you'd come after me for this

It was what I felt at the time, and apparently nobody else really cared, so I thought I'd share my thoughts.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:49 pm
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:28 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:21 pm Also, lynching speedchuck on day one is just straight up lazy. Come on people, we can do better than that.
I agree that things ought to be shaken up. Let's see where your Long Con thing takes us.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
I thought you promised to vote for me today.
Sloonei/Luna w/w just struck me here. Friendly non-distancing distancing.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:55 pm
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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:30 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.
I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

This is sketchy, and a stretch, on the reread. It's a sktretch.

It's more wishy-washy and noncommittal than water. Are you trying to be Switzerland here? Are you trying to catch baddies or be Involved In A Discussion? You cast a vote, which I can only assume is supposed to look like pressure, and then you proceed to post with as little pressure as possible on me.

And, I just have to focus on this sexy piece of blather: "This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up." Disappointed us when it wasn't a revelation-filled-look-at-past-games kind of pattern, but just you saying you see some pattern in the four posts Luna quoted. I can look at the horse picture behind my monitors and see, in the horse group, black-black-white-black-black-black-white, and yeah that's a possible pattern, and no it doesn't mean anything. PLUS, now it's maybe-suspicious in your world to move from ignorance to understanding as time progresses? Or are you Billy Pilgrim, displaced in time and confused about how I could have understanding at one point in time, and also have ignorance at another? We live in a linear world, buddy. Also, I was never ignorant of the answers to my questions, just to reiterate.
So you claim you were attempting to set scum traps with your questions? Or just get discussion flowing? If the latter, I would rather have discussions about players and their posts and reads, than game mechanics. Discussing mechanics is always a good distraction from the more important discussions at hand.
Shallow inquisition and platitudes, still unimpressed.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:28 pm Eloh thinks i’m good and bad at the same time
Sounds like a very townie mindset. Eloh I mean.
Defending the Civ who is most under fire is a good look... to invent for yourself.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:55 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:39 am
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Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?

So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.
Low Player Salad, not the worst case of Salad I have seen, but excessive. Speedchuck was low/lazy?

... Luna's last analysis post is good follow-up at least. Some suspicion, I'll follow that vote. [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

So the reason Speedchuck was added to my list of people I wanted to look closer at (player salad I believe you call it?), was I wanted to analyze those Jack had null reads on. Apparently speed has been posting plenty, and for some reason Jack still had a null read on him.

K-Ness wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:14 pm I'm leaning on sloonei and Jack today. What's the reasoning behind the votes on Luna?

I've finally posted enough to start looking scummy. It happens every game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:36 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:30 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:15 pm Sprit's case is that Sloonei is trying to control the narrative, as soon as Mac died. Nobody else had suggested, as of that point, that Mac's death implicated Sloonei. He was pre-emptive about it. That suggests forethought, though it doesn't necessitate it. It also paints a picture of a guy who is very aware of the WIFOM involved in Mac's death, and who understood the strategy from both sides.

Yes?
I guess, but like, don’t we always look at a person’s suspects after they’re nightkilled? Am I not allowed to make these comments? I was wary of bad guys poking at me and wanted to pre-emptively address that. Is sprityo even considering the other side of his argument?
We've got *looks at watch* like 30 hours left. Why don't we talk about something else?
Because I don't like this case one bit and I want to figure out if I believe sprityo or not.

My vote's still on Luna. Care to comment?

Hi Sloonei. I'm not bad.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:24 pm I've already highlighted these posts, but I want to bring them back up again. This all occurred in the midst of the chaos at the end of Day 1:
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?
Luna shows up and sees that nova suddenly has votes on him.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?
OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.
She does her homework and decides that he's a viable lynch option because, unlike Eloh, he hasn't contributed much.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:34 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?
OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.
can you elaborate on what you mean by "doesn't look great"?
Like there's nothing there of substance. If he's town, he could be trying harder to help out.
When pressed for elaboration, she restated the emptiness of his posts and put some blame on him for his effort. Looking back at this post in particular now, I do not like that second sentence one bit. It seems to both acknowledge that nova is town while also absolving her for contributing to his mislynch. "It's his fault that I voted for him because he could have tried harder."

Luna, along with Colin, would remain on nova as Eloh was lynched. I don't like the ease and passivity with which she joined this bandwagon. One of the first things I look for when digging through End of Day posts is players who appear passive or timid. This is crunch time, and typically a townie wants to make the move that is best for them, so more often than not they'll be actively engaged in problem solving, even if that means expressing uncertainty. A mafia member will be more hesitant, not wanting to misstep anywhere. Luna's posts here have the look and tone of the latter.

Just some context you're missing: I voted Nova when Nova was still one vote ahead of Eloh. I left the site after placing my vote. Did you know the site shows people as "online" for as long as 15 minutes after they have been away? I wasn't able to check the lynch status again until a couple of hours later. That is why my vote remained on Nova. If I had been present, I would have moved my vote to whoever I needed to to save Eloh.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:46 pm
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:24 pm I've already highlighted these posts, but I want to bring them back up again. This all occurred in the midst of the chaos at the end of Day 1:
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?
Luna shows up and sees that nova suddenly has votes on him.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?
OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.
She does her homework and decides that he's a viable lynch option because, unlike Eloh, he hasn't contributed much.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:34 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?
OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.
can you elaborate on what you mean by "doesn't look great"?
Like there's nothing there of substance. If he's town, he could be trying harder to help out.
When pressed for elaboration, she restated the emptiness of his posts and put some blame on him for his effort. Looking back at this post in particular now, I do not like that second sentence one bit. It seems to both acknowledge that nova is town while also absolving her for contributing to his mislynch. "It's his fault that I voted for him because he could have tried harder."

Luna, along with Colin, would remain on nova as Eloh was lynched. I don't like the ease and passivity with which she joined this bandwagon. One of the first things I look for when digging through End of Day posts is players who appear passive or timid. This is crunch time, and typically a townie wants to make the move that is best for them, so more often than not they'll be actively engaged in problem solving, even if that means expressing uncertainty. A mafia member will be more hesitant, not wanting to misstep anywhere. Luna's posts here have the look and tone of the latter.
Just some context you're missing: I voted Nova when Nova was still one vote ahead of Eloh. I left the site after placing my vote. Did you know the site shows people as "online" for as long as 15 minutes after they have been away? I wasn't able to check the lynch status again until a couple of hours later. That is why my vote remained on Nova. If I had been present, I would have moved my vote to whoever I needed to to save Eloh.
That does not help me much, unfortunately. My main concern is specifically your treatment of nova. He provided the most convenient lynch option for scum, and your participation was to see that he was on the block and join in.

I suppose you could look at lynching an active, but low-content player as "easy," but I thought he made a fine choice for a day 1 lynch. Couldn't have been worse than lynching Eloh.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:50 pm
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Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm I can’t jusge this impartially right now, so I need others to offer their input:
Mac’s primary activity on Day 1 was to smear me. He did other things and made lots of noise, but I don’t think it’s unfair to say that I was his #1 suspect.
Then who was his number one suspect? If anything you might not even have had been an actual suspect, more so he wanted to push you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm Mac was subsequently nightkilled. My instinct was to look out for people who would then turn that kill against me. I expressed this early in the day.
Then you picked a poor choice of words to express it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm sprityo, who hadn’t touched me all game, then comes along to declare me his top suspect because I had expressed my theory about potentially being framed by Mac’s death. I don’t think it was at all unreasonable for me to feel that way, and I’d have no reason not to share that opinion with the thread. sprityo, however, suggests that there’s “no reason” for me to share it if I’m town. I don’t buy that part especially.
You can feel that way. However, your words reflect differently than what youre saying right now. Let me rephrase myself on saying 'you have no reason to "share" if youre town.' There's no reason to create a wifom scenario. which is what you did. which is what i've been saying youve done.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm What’s more, he hasn’t identified anything in Mac’s suspicion against me that he agrees with. I’d like to see him at least try to do that.
Mac had suspicion but not context. yknow why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:54 am You are asking me to play the game in ignorance of all my intuition and instincts?
He didnt have a reason. Simple as that. I dont suspect you because of what mac said, i suspect you because of what happened to mac, what mac could have done, and what you did do following mac's death. I'm not looking at you from any other angle besides what happened after mac died.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm But for now I get the sense of a baddie making a concerted effort to spin a case against an established suspect (me). I do not get the sense that sprit has carefully considered my position in any of my posts. Instead it feels to me like he just seized onto a suspicion that already existed and is using that as his authority to suspect me.

Can anyone else see that, or am I just being too defenice here?
Here's the unlikely scenario:

Sloonei is town, he gets pursued by mac who is not someone to back down off his intuition. Sloonei isnt lynch, much to mac's dismay. then during the night, mac still paints him as someone bad, essentially a guarantee he's gonna try to lynch sloonei on day2. He even goes as far as to taunt sloonei to kill him. Mafia kills mac and waits for someone to attack sloonei.

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so would mafia kill mac to blame sloonei? or would sloonei kill mac to take the pressure and focus off himself?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:54 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:32 pm This is an even worse result than the Day 1 result.
You are so evil and villainous and it offends me that you survived day one.
Please move past this.
You are asking me to play the game in ignorance of all my intuition and instincts?

Just kill me. Dr Manhattan taking out Rorschach style.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:27 am I can only think of myself, so I assumed Mac was killed to make me look bad.

If Sloonei were scum I would like to think his LAST target would be Mac. Would scum be so bold as to actually kill someone who told them "just kill me?"
That said, the only way a scum Sloonei would kill Mac would be for WIFOM. And what if no one noticed the WIFOM? Well lucky for you, you don't have to look too hard because Sloonei made it very clear that he felt targeted by Mac's kill.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:07 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:05 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:50 pm
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Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm I can’t jusge this impartially right now, so I need others to offer their input:
Mac’s primary activity on Day 1 was to smear me. He did other things and made lots of noise, but I don’t think it’s unfair to say that I was his #1 suspect.
Then who was his number one suspect? If anything you might not even have had been an actual suspect, more so he wanted to push you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm Mac was subsequently nightkilled. My instinct was to look out for people who would then turn that kill against me. I expressed this early in the day.
Then you picked a poor choice of words to express it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm sprityo, who hadn’t touched me all game, then comes along to declare me his top suspect because I had expressed my theory about potentially being framed by Mac’s death. I don’t think it was at all unreasonable for me to feel that way, and I’d have no reason not to share that opinion with the thread. sprityo, however, suggests that there’s “no reason” for me to share it if I’m town. I don’t buy that part especially.
You can feel that way. However, your words reflect differently than what youre saying right now. Let me rephrase myself on saying 'you have no reason to "share" if youre town.' There's no reason to create a wifom scenario. which is what you did. which is what i've been saying youve done.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm What’s more, he hasn’t identified anything in Mac’s suspicion against me that he agrees with. I’d like to see him at least try to do that.
Mac had suspicion but not context. yknow why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:54 am You are asking me to play the game in ignorance of all my intuition and instincts?
He didnt have a reason. Simple as that. I dont suspect you because of what mac said, i suspect you because of what happened to mac, what mac could have done, and what you did do following mac's death. I'm not looking at you from any other angle besides what happened after mac died.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm But for now I get the sense of a baddie making a concerted effort to spin a case against an established suspect (me). I do not get the sense that sprit has carefully considered my position in any of my posts. Instead it feels to me like he just seized onto a suspicion that already existed and is using that as his authority to suspect me.

Can anyone else see that, or am I just being too defenice here?
Here's the unlikely scenario:

Sloonei is town, he gets pursued by mac who is not someone to back down off his intuition. Sloonei isnt lynch, much to mac's dismay. then during the night, mac still paints him as someone bad, essentially a guarantee he's gonna try to lynch sloonei on day2. He even goes as far as to taunt sloonei to kill him. Mafia kills mac and waits for someone to attack sloonei.

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so would mafia kill mac to blame sloonei? or would sloonei kill mac to take the pressure and focus off himself?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:54 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:32 pm This is an even worse result than the Day 1 result.
You are so evil and villainous and it offends me that you survived day one.
Please move past this.
You are asking me to play the game in ignorance of all my intuition and instincts?

Just kill me. Dr Manhattan taking out Rorschach style.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:27 am I can only think of myself, so I assumed Mac was killed to make me look bad.

If Sloonei were scum I would like to think his LAST target would be Mac. Would scum be so bold as to actually kill someone who told them "just kill me?"
That said, the only way a scum Sloonei would kill Mac would be for WIFOM. And what if no one noticed the WIFOM? Well lucky for you, you don't have to look too hard because Sloonei made it very clear that he felt targeted by Mac's kill.
Are you defending sloonei or suspecting him?

You've just linked and summarized the entire case on Sloonei from both sides.

You're welcome then

In short, yes. I suspect Sloonei.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:36 pm
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:54 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:19 pm Analysis post part 1:
Bullzeye gives his reason for voting Quin. He dislikes Quin's questions, and even after Quin provides a valid response, Bullzeye responds with basically "I'm going to say your response looks fake because I'm so set on voting for you." Not the best look.
This is such a generic criticism that it could be applied to nearly every vote in nearly every game ever. The majority of votes happen because one person suspects another and that person's responses don't satisfy the accuser. What one person finds valid, another might not. I didn't find his explanation believable.
Oh, hi! You. You are the one.

[VOTE: Bullzeye] aubergine

I was starting to feel bad for suspecting Bullzeye for a lame reason, but then you just jump in and back me up. Why?

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