The Syndicate

Thanks for setting up such an exciting game Jay! This will be fun

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:46 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:05 pm I have a pretty important Socky to present, actually.
Are you implying some Sockys are more important than others?

Socky equality! :sparta:

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:52 pm Oh and in case it wasn't clear I believe that Epi is exhibiting behavior that indicates he received a mafia role card.

Are you and Epi scum mates again?

Ugh, the poll has way too many single votes on it right now.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:29 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:00 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:54 pm Ugh, the poll has way too many single votes on it right now.
Maybe you could fix that?
Lol last time someone called Luna out for not practicing what she was preaching she was bad

I don't necessarily suspect her for it here though. Only so much one can do

But we only have 4.5 hours so yeah who should we start grouping votes onto? I'd love to hear thoughts other than my own

I would fix it if I felt confident on where to vote. Guess I only have about 4 hours to decide.

People who have voted and have not posted a lot:
Nova (5 posts) voting LC and doesn't really say why
Long Con (5 posts) voting colonialbob for only posting in pictures
DDL (5 posts) also voting Long Con because Long Con is voting C-bob for the picture post gimmick. okay.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:01 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:29 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:00 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:54 pm Ugh, the poll has way too many single votes on it right now.
Maybe you could fix that?
Lol last time someone called Luna out for not practicing what she was preaching she was bad

I don't necessarily suspect her for it here though. Only so much one can do

But we only have 4.5 hours so yeah who should we start grouping votes onto? I'd love to hear thoughts other than my own
The way you start the sentence with "lol" before throwing shade at someone then saying you won't "necessarily" vote for them triggered my senses.

I too, don't feel comfortable trusting nutella.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:45 pm
Spoiler: show
reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:52 am [VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

A nostalgia vote for SVS, but she's also quite obviously bad bad bad.
Thanks alot I would return the favor, but it looks like you already have a vote (becasue you do/do not like socks?) and I would rather not place a second joke vote on someone with such a spread.

I see that Nova didn't really explain his LC vote. I saw DDL did but I don't see what was opportunistic about LC's vote, although I think Bob is more likely trying to relive the fun he had with Presidential quotes (unless he does this self imposed posting gimmick all the time?) than anything.

Still not loving G Mans vote, plus I see he is making feints at no shows when I seem to recall that we have a few replacements.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:15 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:01 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:29 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:00 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:54 pm Ugh, the poll has way too many single votes on it right now.
Maybe you could fix that?
Lol last time someone called Luna out for not practicing what she was preaching she was bad

I don't necessarily suspect her for it here though. Only so much one can do

But we only have 4.5 hours so yeah who should we start grouping votes onto? I'd love to hear thoughts other than my own
The way you start the sentence with "lol" before throwing shade at someone then saying you won't "necessarily" vote for them triggered my senses.
I too, don't feel comfortable trusting nutella.
Why not? Nutella lols quite a bit, why do you think it is alignment indicative? If you had to vote now, who would you vote for?

I have to finish my Socky thing, if I had to vote now it would be G Man, but as Luna says, we should be tightening up rather than spreading out more.

Because she was scum last time I thought she might me town. So I now cannot trust her.
And If I had to vote now, I would [VOTE: Dragon D Luffy] aubergine because he is voting Long Con because Long Con is voting colonialbob for posting in pictures. DDL says the reason this makes LC look sketchy is :

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:27 am Bob's posts don't make me feel anything in special but then LC latching on him gives me opportunistic vibes.

But in fact, DDL could be bad and also looking for an opportunistic lynch, and is therefore hyper-aware of other people acting opportunistic.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:41 am I voted Enrique again, but I'm open to other avenues.

what's the deal with Enrique?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:44 pm Enrique feels like the easy wagon of the day, considering it's coming from the previous day and not much else is happening.

Yeah, Epi calling him "dead weight" just isn't a good enough reason to lynch him. We could lynch MP for the same reason since he seems too busy to play.

I don't like the enrique wagon or the Mac wagon, so I'm voting S~V~S

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:22 pm Voting Lunalee.

for my vote on SVS? I guess that's fair if I'm voting her for her vote on Enrique.

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:31 pm Truth meta here. I'm a civ.

I actually voted for LC precisely because I've played with him for so many years, while Luna is a newer player that I haven't gotten to know that well. I didn't think about it too much and I mean obviously LC's lynch didn't turn out well. I can also see how that could be construed as lynching LC because he'd know how to read me better, but nah.

I'm not dead weight! I think it's a pattern at this point that it takes me a couple days to get into the groove of a game. Still getting there but I appreciate this engagement. I'll keep you posted...

idk, it might be fun to lynch someone who claimed civ and truth meta. But I generally wouldn't go for that unless I'm all out of options.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:31 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:18 pm I don't like the enrique wagon or the Mac wagon, so I'm voting S~V~S
Why other than not wanting to vote for Mac or Enri?

I don't really know who's scum yet or not. But I do know you are on a train that I deem suspicious, and also you voted for me yesterday without much reason, which was weird.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:36 pm Luna is saving Enri and G Mans Spider Sense is tingling.

lol, I'll vote Enrique with you guys on the off-chance he's bad, but I don't think he is

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:34 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:22 pm Voting Lunalee.
for my vote on SVS? I guess that's fair if I'm voting her for her vote on Enrique.
You're treating Enrique's situation the same as MP's.

MP I doubt has been around to post much at all.

Enrique has, and he has one post of substance.

True, he has posted a lot of fluff, and then the "hello fellow civilians, who are we going to lynch" post.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:42 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:37 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:27 pm We have 40min left I believe.
I don't see what's wrong with LCs vote, I don't really agree with him, but I don't see how it would be opportunistic. I feel OK about G Man now, and don't understand why Enrique has two votes.

I could get with Bobs Luna vote. She is reminding me more of the GOC Luna than the Asunder Luna. [VOTE: Luna] aubergine, spread the tie love.

I will be around in case I need to move a vote, since this made me nervous:

reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:49 pm nutella is it based on actual content tho?
Rey said his vote for me was a joke vote, but he did not really talk much about voting for anyone else. And that looked like trying to justify it as a real vote.
@@Lunalee

I had a better reason than most day one. I felt your meta reminded me more of your bad game which we just played than your civ game which we also just played.

I see your reasoning. But my meta is constantly evolving, so take it with a grain of salt.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:42 pm Luna is on the silly juice

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:53 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:35 pm @Lunalee @G-Man why are you voting svs
My previous post was pretty straightforward, no?

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:53 pm My day just keeps getting better.

No clue on my availability tonight. I’m placing a vote on S~V~S for now over her initial insight into Enrique and LC. It smells like the kind of maligned meta arguments I’ve seen her and others use against me in order to sell a mislynch without looking obvious.

I sort of already answered that in response to SVS. I haven't taken the time to build a case on anyone, so I realize my SVS vote might be lazy. I just think it's strange you all want to vote for someone who offered that he's town and is playing with a truth meta. How seriously should I take that coming from Enrique though?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:00 pm g Man, thought it was kinda vague but OK. "Her post reminded me of something I don't like", essentially. You are doing to me what you accused me of doing to you yesterday.

Linki, people actually take truth meats seriously for people other than Glorfindel?

I don't know, but it might be thrown around lightly depending on the person.

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:12 pmsup team

Hey boi, you're getting lynched.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:17 pm [VOTE: lunalee] aubergine

She got dat TMI hesitance yo

nutella's either town, or she learned to fake-suspect me when she's scum.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:22 pm Anyway I decided I believe enri's truth meta. Luna hasn't decided anything, and I know I shouldn't be one to criticize flipflopping but she seems to be fabricating thoughts on enri according to the whim of the thread.

I mean if I were going with the whim of the thread I would just have joined the Enrique or Mac train.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:28 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:22 pm Anyway I decided I believe enri's truth meta. Luna hasn't decided anything, and I know I shouldn't be one to criticize flipflopping but she seems to be fabricating thoughts on enri according to the whim of the thread.
I mean if I were going with the whim of the thread I would just have joined the Enrique or Mac train.
You said you voted me for my Enri vote and because you didn't like the Enri or Mac trains. But Mac voted for Enri too.

What is different?

Mac made a post saying he's on vacation and will help solve the game when he gets back. I sort of want to believe that and not lynch the guy while he's away.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:42 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:36 pm Of course I'm not in the mafia are you even reading my posts
I am not voting for Epi with you. For now I am leaving my vote where it is because I don't want to be lynched.

Link I @Lunalee so all other things being equal you would rather lynch the active player?

I'll move my vote off you, but I don't know where to put it.

can we just call this the truth meta game? Everyone claim and be done with it.

Okay, doing other stuff at the same time and forgot to come back to this. How did a tie form between G-man and Enrique? I moved my vote to G-man but didn't think people would follow me over there.

A bit relieved that Enrique flipped town. That makes me look good. But RIP another townie.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:32 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:19 pm A bit relieved that Enrique flipped town. That makes me look good.

You didn't quote the whole post.

And I said literally this out loud to speedchuck, so I thought I should post it in the thread to be fair.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:46 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:37 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:32 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:19 pm A bit relieved that Enrique flipped town. That makes me look good.

You didn't quote the whole post.

And I said literally this out loud to speedchuck, so I thought I should post it in the thread to be fair.
I know I didn't.

It's funnier if I just quote that part.

were you around at EOD? Why did you stay on MacDougall?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:07 pm My whole thing was I thought you had TMI on him so how you think his flip looks good for you is beyond me.

I thought he was good and decided to defend that. So if Enrique had flipped scum, I would look dumb or scummy. But yeah, you could say I look bad either way. I don't really care.

So glad we have another day to decide who to lynch. I did not have time to mafia today.
Mac's stuff on nutella was pretty convincing, then he died, which is also pretty convincing that nutella might be bad. BUT 1. Her defenses look really genuine, and 2. she actually suspected me day 1 and voted me for a bit. I see no reason for scum nutella to do that.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:37 am You don't see what reason a baddie Nutella might have to vote for a civvie (presuming you are one) in a closed set up game where no one knows how many bad teams there are or if there is 3P that kills?

Think about it, if there is only one bad team, they have to either vote for civvies or bus each other. If more than one, they legitimately suspect people just like town.

Is there a special dynamic between you and Nutella that would render normal gameplay moot?

That said, Macs case is compelling, but I waffle on the part where he died immediately after he began talking. Nutella shutting him up, or someone setting Nutella up?

I am off today and have a few errands to run, but should be around most of the day.

So last game I played with nutella I sort of suspected her only because she never once suspected me. And she actually was scum. That's why I mentioned it again here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:23 pm I just now voted Sprityo. I think he's the quietest of the quiet in this game, and I wanna know why.

Apparently I'm in good company. Hi cbob.

linki: In the game of champions, I was like "I think I've figured her out now, this is it, I finally understand!" Cue scum flip. . . . cue table flip.

Assuming nutella is town, scum would be VERY LIKELY to see Mac's case, think "bingo! we can frame nutella," night kill Mac, then push for a nutella lynch because why not? It lines up perfectly. Since reywaS and DDL are now after nutella, I would feel very comfortable lynching one of them.

All the sources:

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:32 am Guys how likely it is that a baddie nutella would off Mac to silence him?

WIFOM much?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:38 pm do you guys seriously want to lynch me for "weasel words" what is it 2016???

I wonder if DDL really believes what he is saying because he has seen me play a lot in the last couple years and he must know that the "lols" etc are a hallmark of my civ style. He's harping a bit too much on this one thing and then going "well whatever her civ and bad metas are too similar so who knows" like he's soft-pushing an easy target but backing off/not taking responsibility
And what is a hallmark of your baddie style, then? Because last I checked you also do all those things when you are bad. Mac is right, you are not that obvious to read.

I'm not soft pushing, I'm putting all possibilities on the table. The way you are acting is perfectly reasonable for a baddie to act.

You say you are always on the fence, which is true, but then you use that as a shield to act the same way as bad and win games because no one wants to lynch "on the fence" nutella anymore.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:51 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

reywaS wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:00 pm yeah im gonna vote [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

she gives me the "bad vibes" again this game. I started getting the heebeejeebees from her on day one when she said i was misinterpreting what she said but didnt even try to clarify what she was saying. I would have thought she would have gone ahead and tried to clear it up on the spot. Instead she just ignored me. I feel bad for voting for my long time friend/mafia nemesis SVS and not switching to nutella. And now its just post after post of "this is my civvie meta". OMG that is the worst defense possible....seriously.

BTW I'm totes civ guys. I only make these types of posts that end in "LY" when I'm a civ.

Seriously

[VOTE: DragonDLuffy] aubergine
His "how likely is it that nutella killed Mac for WIFOM" post just feels fishy to me. Almost like DDL is trying to push that as the narrative of what happened when it is just as likely that scum would kill Mac to frame nutella.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:02 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:00 pm [VOTE: DragonDLuffy] aubergine
His "how likely is it that nutella killed Mac for WIFOM" post just feels fishy to me. Almost like DDL is trying to push that as the narrative of what happened when it is just as likely that scum would kill Mac to frame nutella.
Ehh I think that post makes him look less likely to be responsible. He wouldn't so overtly call it out as being wifom, right?....or would he lol

But on the whole I think Rey looks worse. He is going after me for very shallow reasons and every new post has a new fake-looking take.

[VOTE: reywas] aubergine

Yeah, I don't know if DDL would be quite that obvious as scum. I'm switching to reywaS
[VOTE: reywas] aubergine

Why was sprityo lynched? Ugh. Should have been reywaS or DDL.

I think speed might be bad for his early-day vote on sprityo.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:17 am
G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:17 pm Dragon D. Luffy hasn’t triggered my usual auto-sus for him. For that reason, I suspect him. Many of his posts are short and to the point. There are just a few in his ISO of any considerable length. That suggests a cautious approach, which seems abnormal to me.
Hmm how does the fact I'm nto triggering your auto-sus means I'm sus?

I think I get you though, you think I'm acting differently from usual and the usual makes you suspect me.

I'm aware my postcount has been lower this game, but I just hasn't "felt" it that much. My playstyle is that I just read posts and wait for something to "click". Not many posts in this game, so not many stuff that is click-worthy. I'm not really good at just going and building cases on people, those tend to be wrong.

Excuses.
[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:48 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:40 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:21 am Hrm. It's weird that it's not MYLO right now.
My thoughts revolve around the presence of some kind of indy role. There are still ten of us. If there are three mafia (my assumption for a game this size) and an indy, then that still gives us one more day. Today is critical, however, in determining if the civvies will have a chance to win. In my mind, we’re screwed if this lynch goes wrong. I’m something of an optimist in real life but I’m a tin-foiling pessimist when it comes to mafia.
I would have assumed 4 mafia, is the thing. But I guess a third party could explain things. Maybe even the extra kill.

SVS said something about not starting out vanilla, but she is now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:25 pm [VOTE: reywas] aubergine again, I guess.

I took a glance at all the ISOs earlier and I came away feeling okay about DDL. He’s seemed to be actively making things happen this game. I’d expect scum to be playing more reactionary right now given the generally poor state of things for the Good Guys. Let us continue to lynch ourselves, and just give gentle nudges to keep us on the right (wrong) track. SVS is a player I could accuse of that, but I’m not so sure i want to vote for her. DDL is not. reywas feels like he’d fall into that criteria, but I mainly jus thave a vague gut feeling about him based on a snippets of things I’ve read.

I can see that. I also didn't like the feel of reywas on day 3. Switching my vote to him instead.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:20 pm and apparently Lunalee moved right as I voted. Neat.

lol, vote reywaS with meeee

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:21 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:20 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:20 pm and apparently Lunalee moved right as I voted. Neat.
lol, vote reywaS with meeee
Should I though?

go look at how he responded to Mac's case on nutella after Mac died. It looks very opportunistic.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:42 pm I told you guys not to vote for reywas

Well you didn't present a good alternative did you?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:48 pm Why is it his job?

It became his job as soon as he said, "I told you so." :P

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:54 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:53 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:48 pm Why is it his job?
It became his job as soon as he said, "I told you so." :P
Well how was I supposed to know I was gonna say that before the lynch?

I don't know, the same way you seemed to know he was town before the lynch.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:58 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:54 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:53 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:48 pm Why is it his job?
It became his job as soon as he said, "I told you so." :P
Well how was I supposed to know I was gonna say that before the lynch?
I don't know, the same way you seemed to know he was town before the lynch.
Do you suspect me for this?

Yes, a bit. But mostly just bantering because it's fun

G-man, that's a lot of data. I was sort of hoping you would share your conclusion from it.

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