The Syndicate

hi! I'm here and have read literally nothing.

Yeah, I don't hate Nova's random day 0 GTH. It's fun.

oh cool, who we gonna lynch?

Juliets is looking good... too good. I'm suspicious.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:25 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:19 pm Juliets is looking good... too good. I'm suspicious.
That seems to be the story of my mafia life in day 1. I'm good though.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:39 pm @Lunalee do you have any thoughts on anyone yet?

Yeah, I think nova is town. His GTH was a bold move. I don't really like jack or speed wanting to lynch him for it.

DDL looks like he's being careful. But maybe that's because he's only posted once.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:33 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:35 pm oh cool, who we gonna lynch?
How's this developing?

none whatsoever. I just got back on today after our vacation.

looks like Jack is leading the poll though.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:57 pm Iffy about DDL's entrance. Calculated ice breaker using the theme and highjacking the write-up. Something's fishy about it.

Linki - high five!

LOL, can we be town buddies this game?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:16 pm Getting a weird feel from Luna. Like she's more casual or something. Not like.

Jack's vote on Mac is disgusting.

Haha, okay. I see you there struggling to find a reason to point a finger at me.

you know what, I don't mind the Jack lynch.

[VOTE: JackofAsses2005] aubergine

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:30 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:26 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:16 pm Getting a weird feel from Luna. Like she's more casual or something. Not like.

Jack's vote on Mac is disgusting.
Haha, okay. I see you there struggling to find a reason to point a finger at me.
I don't need a reason to point a finger at you. I could just... not point a finger at you.

I'm pointing a finger at you because I felt a different vibe from you. I'm not sure if that vibe means something but I have to say it.

Yeah, I get it. I didn't even notice myself playing "more relaxed." We have played mafia together recently, right?

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:07 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:37 pm you know what, I don't mind the Jack lynch.

[VOTE: JackofAsses2005] aubergine
That's a nice wagon you're joining there...

I don't like the Jack wagon, it came too fast and with too little resistance. Likely a mislynch.

sometimes correct lynches form that way too.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:41 am If someone doesn’t use an “April Fools” defense to walk back a bad accusation today, I will be disappointed.

ooh, right. It is April 1st.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:37 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:59 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:27 am Considering voting Jack here for the "Actually" tell.

Did you have something to say about that?

Tell me about this tell. It seems pretty random. Like the "interesting" tell that got pinned on myself onetime when I was town.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:10 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:37 pm you know what, I don't mind the Jack lynch.

[VOTE: JackofAsses2005] aubergine
Luna, this isn't very convincing and maybe you didn't mean it to be but would you at least share what specifically you see about Jack that disturbs you?

Sure, things that made me go, "hmmm, is Jack bad?":

1. Violently disagrees with my very rational Nova opinion:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:19 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:17 pm Yeah, I don't hate Nova's random day 0 GTH. It's fun.
I hate it. Let’s burn it.

2. Then completely back tracks on said Nova opinion in favor of Mac. Why Mac? Jack doesn't say at the time of his vote.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:59 am Whomp whomp.

I'm actually not that inclined to vote for Nova today. I like him being firey. It's helped the town when he's town. If he's not? Let's see if he hangs himself with it.

I like Luna's tone. Obligatory "I suck at reading Luna."

Why don't I [VOTE: Mac] aubergine.

3. Then Jack claims his vote on Mac wasn't "actually" a scum read (speed claimed that actually is a scumtell, which is interesting. I'm waiting to hear more)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:39 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:35 pm What is the right angle?
It’s rvs and Mac’s a big boy that doesn’t need your help.

You (or Juliets) actually think I scumread Mac from one post?

4. Later claims his Mac vote was merely "for the heck of it"

5. Then Jack makes this case on DDL, who was the one giving him the most grief for his Mac vote. Almost like a once-removed NO U vote.

The question is, does DDL never hate on "random" day 1 votes when he's town? Because if not, Jack may actually have a point. But to answer juliet's question, my I placed my vote on jack because I didn't like his jumpy play style and random Mac vote.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:55 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:40 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:37 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:59 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:27 am Considering voting Jack here for the "Actually" tell.

Did you have something to say about that?
Tell me about this tell. It seems pretty random. Like the "interesting" tell that got pinned on myself onetime when I was town.
Disclaimer: I have never heard of the "Actually" tell. I made it up. That said, let's take a look.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:39 pm You (or Juliets) actually think I scumread Mac from one post?
What is the purpose of this word in the sentence? Without 'actually' in there, the sentence reads:
"You or Juliets think I scumread Mac from one post?" which is a question.

Putting in "actually" turns this question into an attack on their alignment or reasoning, one of the two. It insinuates that either DDL/Juliets don't believe what they are saying (therefore scum)... or they do, and that it's ridiculous. Painting their inquiry as scummy or ridiculous is an aggressive, defensive measure that pushes them to back off and shuts down the line of inquiry without actually answering their query.

In short, it's an unnecessary word that comes from a possibly-bad and blustery perspective. I see this post and hear a ten-year-old Overwatch player yelling into the microphone "You actually think this is my main account? You're seriously stupid if you think this Silver account is my main account. I'm actually ranked Diamond."

hm, fair point. You're not allowed to coin this as a tell though unless jack flips scum.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:49 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:09 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:51 pm That's fair. If you had to comment on each player's entrance, what would your thoughts be?
I can't really make a good read off of one post but I didn't see anything I really didn't like or thought was off, though there were some I didn't understand. I'll go one by one though:

nova - your post "hello" looked fine to me though I would expect someone to bring up the emoji scum tell.
Mac - I don't know what "I'm ready to fudge" means but I figure its probably just some Aussie slang for "ready to go".
leetic - his post made me smile, I'm glad the depression is better. No problems with his entrance.
Jack - pictures of Wednesday with instruments of death. Not sure what this means other than maybe role hinting. Maybe he just means let's get us a baddie. Did not make me suspicious of him.
sable - looked like typical sable to me, so looked fine.
speedchuck - "nova is scum" too early for me to believe this is real but seems in line with the way we play these days and your GTH pre-entrance thing which I kind of got a kick out of.
DDL - talked of drinking the potion and liked the story. Didn't see anything wrong with this post either.
Luna - just got here, read nothing yet. It was typical Luna and I didn't see a problem.

So, not much there in the first posts for me - what about you? What did you think of the first posts.
I would scumread this post if it were unprompted.

Next post:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:19 pm Juliets is looking good... too good. I'm suspicious.
I'm doubly confused by this post.

how is that confusing? When someone puts a nice read list out early without generating much discussion before hand, it looks like they may just be doing it to look good.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:59 pm DDL - bad
JoH - playing inconsistently inconsistent, reminds me of don't-care-me from that other game I was in. But I was scum that game. Maybe scum.
juli - good
leet - good
Luna - Maybe scum.
Mac - missing
nova - good
sabie - bad
speed - good

POE: Sabie, DDL, JoH, Luna, Mac

If we lynch scum once early on, we'll end up having four lynches. I only need to remove one person from this POE.

okay, I'm town. trust me please.

somebody put a nice case out there about DDL. Any reason for the train other than his criticism of Jack?

[mention]sabie12[/mention] I could see DDL and Jack as teammates. Jack is super good at bussing for town cred after all.

Nicely done! Still think Jack could be teamed with DDL.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:07 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:26 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:16 pm Getting a weird feel from Luna. Like she's more casual or something. Not like.

Jack's vote on Mac is disgusting.
Haha, okay. I see you there struggling to find a reason to point a finger at me.
Does this post come from a teammate? Considering Luna did not vote DDL but she gave reasons for voting me.
Her uneasiness with him read genuine, it's somewhere before this. Although she didn't seem to go with her alleged gut read on DDL, she looks all right.

But my gut said both DDL and Jack were bad, so I didn't really care who got lynched.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:22 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:19 pm Nicely done! Still think Jack could be teamed with DDL.
If Jack's good, who's bad?

Mac threw out reads saying speed, leetic, and nova were bad. He didn't mention DDL. And voted off-wagon for speed. Mac could be bad.

There's nothing going on. [mention]sabie12[/mention] you still around?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:31 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:17 pm There's nothing going on. sabie12 you still around?
Luna, where’s your head at? Talk to me about your suspects. Gimmie some controversial opinions.

ok, you're scum, and Mac is probably dying tonight since he claimed inventor.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:58 pm Anyway, everyone 'xept Luna and Mac have shown up, and no claims of having received an item yet. This means that either

a. Lunalee or Sabie were Mac's target (why would he target these though)
b. Mac is a big fat liar
c. For some reason, the person who received the item didn't speak up
d. The third power role screwed things up

Which do you think is most likely?

But why would they?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:43 pm I did ask for controversial opinions lol.

sorry, I was still in night 1 mode. Didn't scroll back far enough to see sabie had already died.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:56 am Also Jack is bad lol

agreed. He can look so town when he's bad, but he's still bad. I'm thinking speed is probably bad too. He hasn't suspected me yet.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:32 am Jack is still bad IMO

see? They're bussing each other

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:29 am 7 players. Assuming 1 wolf and no extra kills or stopped kills, POE is 3.

Mac, Speed, Juliets.

Case on Mac: Ignores DDL case, promotes alternative suspects, N1 target is super convenient

Trust fall Mac: Probably 1-2 town PRs and 0-1 scum PRs. Just claiming PR is good.

Case Speed: Treats DDL like he’s bussing him ie pushing the same way until it isn’t viable and taking undeserved credit. Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.

Trust fall Speed: Idk. I had a decent reason but I forgot it. Will update.

Case Juliets: Quotes the post immediately following the DDL case but when Nova basically restates the DDL case, acts like this is new information. Votes DDL after momentum has turned so this comes across as fake.

Trust fall Juliets: Going to find a specific game where DDL did something that makes him look scummy here is not effort I expect to see from a goon that decides to bus late in the day.

Speed and Jack are sooo teammates. I can't take off the tinfoil.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:21 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:29 am 7 players. Assuming 1 wolf and no extra kills or stopped kills, POE is 3.

Mac, Speed, Juliets.

Case on Mac: Ignores DDL case, promotes alternative suspects, N1 target is super convenient

Trust fall Mac: Probably 1-2 town PRs and 0-1 scum PRs. Just claiming PR is good.

Case Speed: Treats DDL like he’s bussing him ie pushing the same way until it isn’t viable and taking undeserved credit. Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.

Trust fall Speed: Idk. I had a decent reason but I forgot it. Will update.

Case Juliets: Quotes the post immediately following the DDL case but when Nova basically restates the DDL case, acts like this is new information. Votes DDL after momentum has turned so this comes across as fake.

Trust fall Juliets: Going to find a specific game where DDL did something that makes him look scummy here is not effort I expect to see from a goon that decides to bus late in the day.
Speed and Jack are sooo teammates. I can't take off the tinfoil.
Luna is town. I don't see her faking this.

There's only one scum left, Luna.

how do you know there's only two scum?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:07 pm Faction kill.

Linki - Do you expect more in an 9 player game?

idk, could there not be more than 2 scum in a 9 player game if town had some power roles?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:11 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:45 pm "I've brewed a potion to make us all paranoid and hate each other," said Mamma. "When we drink, we will suspect and try to hang one another. Only two of us will be in cahoots!"

"Excellent work, Mamma," said Morticia.

"To our deaths!" said Gomez, and drank.

It is now Night 0. Nothing happens during this time. Day 1 starts at 7pm EST tomorrow.

oh, I didn't know we were supposed to read all of that

lynch goes down today and I'm having second thoughts. What makes Jack scum instead of Speed?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:53 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:13 am lynch goes down today and I'm having second thoughts. What makes Jack scum instead of Speed?
Luna, could you share with me what you are seeing in speed's case that makes him bad or worse than Jack? I give Jack the edge mostly because he seems to be taking credit for DDL when in reality, he only jumped on it after others (including you) brought up the suspicion according to my reading of how the DDL suspicion developed (my earlier post). But I'm still listening to other cases.

I'm just not seeing a strong "town speed" this game. I should go look closer at his posts to actually point to anything specific.

Is mac just skating by on his civilian inventor claim? Because other than that he hasn't done very much.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:43 pm My role is Jailer. Asked Epi if blocking the last Mafia would block the kill, and he didn't give me a conclusive answer. Mac and I should synchronize our targets N2 (if we get there) so that if he's telling the truth, it can be confirmed. Voting juliets for now, but I'll look over everyone again once I have the time.

And leetic has claimed jailer. That seems to have excused him from further suspicion.

I pretty sure juliets is town. Just from her saying "I'm town" in a post early on. I want to believe it.

Nova just looks town from all his effort. I can't see him as our last scum.

Jack is doing exactly what scum Jack would do if stuck in this predicament, and I can not find the guts to move my vote off of him.

I'm still a bit torn on my speedchuck stance, but I'm thinking with 70% Confidence that he's town. But if I'm wrong I'm going to be so annoyed.

[mention]leetic[/mention] are you planning to pick Jack or speed over your current juliets vote?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:48 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:28 pm I'm still a bit torn on my speedchuck stance, but I'm thinking with 70% Confidence that he's town. But if I'm wrong I'm going to be so annoyed.
Why?

He’s making arguments that rely on doublethink and he did not want to lynch DDL. He was pushing me even after Leet, Nova and me all pointed out how DDL’s suspicion of me was fake.

What has Speed done to make you think he’s town?

Yeah, Speed would probably be playing the same way if he were scum too.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:42 pm Like, if Jack is scum, it doesn't matter which of us get lynched first. He'll get lynched, and town wins.

If he isn't scum and he gets lynched today, I'll get lynched tomorrow, and I'll have to lay the groundwork for LYLO.

If he isn't scum and I get lynched today, Jack can lay the groundwork for MYLO and he can probably do better than me because I'm in another game and have a REALLY busy weekend planned.

So

Basically if Jack is scum it doesn't matter who you lynch first
If he's town you should lynch me first. Hypothetically.

Make sense? I'm not going to self-vote because people flip out over it, but you guys are welcome to lynch me first if you promise to lynch Jack tomorrow. It would be better.

Jack is definitely my second choice if you're lynched today and flip town.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:09 pm Ok so now we are tied. Does anyone know what happens in a tie? Also, @speedchuck the way I read your argument you are saying we should lynch you first, is that right? The argument though makes you seem town. I mean I can't see a baddie using that argument.

nah, he'd make it for the WIFOM as scum too.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:23 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:22 pm Let's lynch Jack first.
Ok with me.

yeah, okay

day 3, is it lylo yet?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:11 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:00 pm day 3, is it lylo yet?
Looking forward to it?

no, I don't mind another day to figure things out.

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