The Syndicate

Day one. A day that will live in infamy.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:19 am
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:17 amI kind of feel like Wilgy would?
Let's flip Wilgy and see. If Wilgy is scum, I must be either scum or town.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

I've read nothing and I will not be lynching either of you on day 1.

I voted for LC because DDL's post is the first post I read and I think it's important that we work together even if DDL is scum because I don't know if he is or isn't so taking a punt on that is good.

It's Dom

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:07 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:14 pmIt's Dom
You wanna try or nah?

Work starts back up tomorrow so I'll be right then lol

Hey it's tomorrow. I see Dom was lynched. That was quite unfortunate. Sorry about that Dom.

I am enjoying reading a game where people are forced to make assertions and shit against me based on nothing. I've not lived this long in a game I've lurked before. I can't promise I won't continue to.

I will however say that Sloonei and TSP pinged me. Epignosis also has some content that I was surprised to see was his. His tone is unusual.

Sloonei is playing quite within himself. I don't think he is a town voice. TSP 's post count list is pretty busyworkish. TSP where's your obvious town play?

Michelle I like. Sig and LC has this weird moment where they coalesced some equally unwarranted suspicion towards her which could be btsc leakage.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:33 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:57 am I don't know how to read any of that.
DDL is good because he said stuff that meant stuff
Sig is bad because he didn’t

Ya reckon?

What are "the questions day 2"? I've read about 4 pages.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:28 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:24 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:33 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:57 am I don't know how to read any of that.
DDL is good because he said stuff that meant stuff
Sig is bad because he didn’t
Ya reckon?
Sure why not

I dunno. Just seems like bullshit.

Sloonei is definitely scum. If you want to lynch scum I suggest lynching him.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:03 pm Sloonei is definitely scum. If you want to lynch scum I suggest lynching him.
Why

Why

DDL talking to Sloonei. DDL is all panicky and chaotic. Sloonei is just evil.

Ha Sloonei you are so bad

I am voting for the Sloo. Come on guys you should too.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:43 am Mac calling me bad is basically a meme at this point, for the record. I put no stock in it.

Why does this even need to be said if you are town?

I am 100% certain Sloonei is scum. Lynch me or him idc. Just lynch the other one next.

Sloonei if DDL is scum do you reckon he would go hard after town me or try to buddy me? Assuming I am spanking town as I am.

Spanking town. I'll allow it.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:54 am I am 100% certain Sloonei is scum. Lynch me or him idc. Just lynch the other one next.
i wish to know on a scale from 1 to 10 how much you believe this. And by comparison how much you were convinced that Dom will flip scum?

3/10 on Sloonei. 0/10 Dom.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:59 am Sloonei if DDL is scum do you reckon he would go hard after town me or try to buddy me? Assuming I am spanking town as I am.
This is some annoying underestimation of Scum Me but I'll let it pass because you are defending me.

It was a question not a statement.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:56 pm I’m probably dead. Mac is the player I’d lynch if it was Day right now.

Timmer, sig, and Epi are my most confident town reads. Everyone else is on the table.

When have you ever seen scum Mac lurk? This is clearly one of my rarer town forms. Stfu.

Would scum do this?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:56 pm I’m probably dead. Mac is the player I’d lynch if it was Day right now.

Timmer, sig, and Epi are my most confident town reads. Everyone else is on the table.
When have you ever seen scum Mac lurk? This is clearly one of my rarer town forms. Stfu.
I don’t think you are lurking by choice.

Well it's because I keep forgetting that I am in mafia games. So it's kinda by choice.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:38 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:25 am There is absolutely no reason anyone should assert me as civilian.

The fact that you do, Sloonei, it horseshit.

Horseshit.
You’re just trying to draw my secrets out of me.

This is caught

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:15 am Epi being mafia would help to explain why so many of my reads have felt unsatisfying.

If you flip scum he's lynching himself anyway so down you go buddy

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:41 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:39 am So let’s assume Epi assumes he can get a kill on Sloonei today.
That leaves
Me Epi Wilgy Michelle LC Sig DDL Mac
You still need two lynches, and you’ve shown your hand pretty significantly. Doesn’t seem like a safe scum strat. But you can get out of it?

I think the teams that don’t kill Sloonei arent as wide as I thought 3 minutes ago, because if you don’t commit to trying to lynch Sloonei today presumably you intend to not kill him tonight, which probably carries at least til LyLo. Why would you leave an active Sloonei around? Unless he’s totally wrong about everything.

Which would imply likely Epi scum. Which takes us back to where we started.
What if I’m mafia?

Team

Mates

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:46 am I voted for Mac a while ago, for what it’s worth. Haven’t moved it.

Voting for a townie. How scummy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:25 am So it doesn’t get lost: I’d like to take a closer look at how the last two lynches went down. Neither Dom nor nova were heavy suspects during the days on which they were lynched, but both ended up with comfortable leads.

They were two lazy ass lynches because our resident superboy Sloonei is numma 1 boolshit

Sloonei flaily

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:17 pm I also notice that Mac has all the red squares and only one green one. How would you characterize your read on him, and why are there so many yellows/oranges?

I'm cool.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:02 pm If TSP is bad, he stopped the lynch when he could have let Sloonei die. If TSP is bad, Sloonei is most likely bad.

Yeah they're both scum

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:18 am Sig, Michelle, LC. And Mac. And Wilgy for not voting at all.

Calling it now, the scum are in there.

I didn't get any bad vibes from the people I interacted with last night. It felt like a group of covs trying to clean the shit left by the rest.

Weak. Probs all townies.

TSP and Sloonei are the wolves. They're cross voting in case the Sloonei wagon sticks.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:54 am TSP and Sloonei are the wolves. They're cross voting in case the Sloonei wagon sticks.
This is such a stupid theory. Why wouldn’t we have just lynched DDL yesterday?

Because your face

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:54 am TSP and Sloonei are the wolves. They're cross voting in case the Sloonei wagon sticks.
After I moved my vote there were about 30 seconds left in the poll. Are you arguing they coordinated during that time to move a vote to Sloon, risk his life, then have Sloon move his vote to me?

And if they didn't coordinate, then why the hell did TSP make such a move to Sloon?

Why don't you just admit you aren't reading anything, not even recent posts? Will make it less annoying to deal with you.

Why so hostile?

I switched to TSP. His reaction to my post about him being teammates with Sloonei was a scumslip.

I'd prefer to lynch DDL to anyone who is obviously scum but TSP is probably his teammate.

I love you Tony.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:24 pm I am about 50% sure that Mac is his partner.

it's fallout all over again.

Really bad take but you can afford to be wrong now I guess.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:07 am Tony put his vote on Mac, this is very wifom-y

Yes it is.

DDL is his partner in my view.

I still think Sloonei has teammate equity with Tony. Even DDL had them as compatible at one point. Nothing that happened here can't be explained as distancing/bussing.

I'd lynch DDL first. If the game isn't over and one of Sloonei/Epi is alive they die.

If Sloonei lives tonight he is an autolynch. Scum kill him if civ. My doubts aren't enough to modify this need. Even I wouldn't leave him alive tonight if I had the bullet.

I think if you ISO me you'll find me interactions with Tony quite civvie. As well my interactions with dead townies that I probs would have advantageously shaded at some point.

All of my real pet suspects are either dead scum or alive. If that makes me scummy that's ok.

Of course it could be Wilgy but I think he probs would have had some bigger flourishes if he was scum with teammates to enjoy and I feel like the pings I've gotten from Sloonei/DDL are rather unlikely to both be wrong. DDL particularly has just come across fake to me. Sloonei I partially just enjoy trolling but he's veered into questionable behavior territory enough times and is alive and that's a bother.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:17 pm I also notice that Mac has all the red squares and only one green one. How would you characterize your read on him, and why are there so many yellows/oranges?
Mac is an easy dunk target by nature of his relative absence so I didn't count that in his read, but a team with him takes a huge risk leaving Sloonei up for so long IF they don't intend to at least try to lynch Sloonei. That's what's so prohibitive about Mac teams. Mac Sloonei is red not because I couldn't see it but more because it's the kind of team that deserves a win if they can get it at this point. And I also can't see it it's way too clever. Michelle and Sig haven't been around to promote the kind of Lynch that a Mac scum team would need, though notably in a Mac/Michelle pairing, Epi has done most of the work. DDL never risks lynching a mostly inactive teammate on Day 2 so that's that red read. The other ones kill Sloonei and don't interact as they have.

My read on Mac individually is null lean scum. Mac as scum here wants back-to-back Sloonei/Epi lynches (assuming he's not paired with one of them), and currently it seems things might go that way and all of Mac's posts fit inside that narrative. I will make no attempts to read Mac himself, but he's mildly pinged me a few times.

The main reasons for yellows and oranges are day one votes, town presences, and a prohibitive kill strategy. Honestly at this point in the game, I probably should be able to assign more of those, but all of the lynches have been apathetic thus far. I can ascertain almost nothing from voting patterns on day 2 and 3.

How am I this guy's teammate? I'm over here taking mild shots at him for days and he's writing Dostoevsky. Anyone who has played scum with me knows if I have a teammate engaging me like this I'd do... something to help the distancing at least.

Anyway nuff protesting.

I had a squiz at Sig. Don't love his ISO. Within a basic lens I'd say he's scum but also I'd rather assume it's someone having a red hot try like Sloo or Luffy.

I think Tony played like someone who had a more than inspirational ally. His tone was cheerful. If he was stuck with Wilgy, Sig or I (with Creature) he would have been more passive or negative in tone.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:44 pm Okay reads from up to the lynch post

Dizzy and Quin are town as fuck.

Dizzy mostly for the creature thing, Quin for posts too. He's legit genuquin. Protect him.

Sloonei a little less since he was flopping around like Sloonei (while Dizzy and Quin pushed the idea if lynching Creature more strongly), but he still started the final push so I feel like he's town too. Also he does feel a bit more genuine than in the wire but that's hindsight speaking since he fooled me in that game. Sloonei will have to do more to earn my trust from now on. But he gets it for the time being.

Timmer is the member if the Day 1 Mutant Ninja Turtles who benefits the least for this Creature lynch imo. He kind of just went along after the fact. That said he leans a bit civ in post-based reading I guess. Could be wrong here.

Nobody else matters much here since they aren't turtles. Will talk about others later.

Everyone mentioned here except Sloonei is dead. Cool to know all the people DDL thought were uber town (plus someone else he waffled on) became scum kill choices.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:34 pm Damn I tried not to make it too obvious that Quin was extremely civ but I guess that was obvious to the mafia too.

His previous post literally said "Dizzy and Quin are town as fuck". I presume someone called him names over this.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:59 pm Timmer - Town. Hammered Creature and had a towny as fuck response to suspicion earlier on D1.
Sloonei - Town for lynching Creature. Felt town in interaction earlier on D1 and like he really evaluated my alignment.
Quin - Town for lynching Creature. Feels like he cares about the game.
Sig - Town read. Both his play early D1 and his passionate irritation that we all couldn't see Sloonei as scum before the flip was revealed reads town to me.

Wilgy - I don't find any reason to be very suspicious of Wilgy. Remember liking some of his posts, but don't remember why tbh.
Epi - I have a really stupid reason for thinking Epi might be town. But really a null read. Not much there.

DDL - Null. Don't know how much stock I should put in the derp about not knowing when actions are due to, since both scum and town could've missed that I guess. Nothing overly scummy.
LC - Null. Nothing he's done has stuck with me. If he's town there's an even stronger case for town reading the three on top of this list.

Dom - Null/squinting. Mostly felt salty after the Creature lynch. Not much there except tunneling me because gut.
Mac - Null/squinting. No content. Lame sheeping.

Tony - Scum. I don't buy the "I have no idea what's going on". Seems too much like trying to seem unaffected by the lynch. Feels like he's arguing with me more to show how his thoughts "makes sense" rather than him actually thinking I'm susp, cause I don't think he does. Don't let him use WIFOM as defense in the case I die in form of "Would I really kill ..."

Bimbo/Sorsha - Complete lurkers. Vig or lynch if not replaced.

Would be ballsy to put a teammate here but then again DDL has been powertowning and somehow Tony lived til Day 5 so how real is the read?

Wait that's Dyslexicon. I'm drunk. No wonder Dizzy died. But wait!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:34 pm [VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Good night.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:34 pm I like tony tbh

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:45 pm TSP is mad at the Day 1 Mutant Ninja Turtles treating each other as confirmed.

Could be 2 things.

Rage from a civilian who hates it when other civilians get cocky about a hot potato result (a sentiment I've felt myself before)

or

Rage from a mafioso who just got screwed and is scared at the prospect of 4 confirmed civs on Day 1.

Pick one.

Dizzy didn't like the scum and DDL produced these amazing replies.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:09 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:08 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:03 pm By the way, civilians lost that game.

The toxic environment created by the hot potato "winners" wasn't worth the trouble.
Uhm, I'm just challenging you on your thoughts about the lynch, dude. Like... I'm not being toxic? Wtf is this?
Dys is being extremely unpleasant about the "everyone confirmed town" thing and Sloon is being kind of annoying too.

There is also a witch hunt going on against people who do not agree you 3 are confirmed scum.

Luffy was mad the town core was good? Then two of them died and he pocketed Sloonei.

Yeah ok I'm just gonna stop here. Dudes scum. Figure it out. See you tomorrow.

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