The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:05 pm Mint chocolate chip is champion

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:53 pm This is two posts from SVS now that have felt like they could be written by a scum. Not that they are, just that they could be.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:00 pm @MacDougall, what are you doing

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:16 pm Like am I crazy here or is this a potential slip.

@MacDougall
@Epignosis

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:20 pm "Epi, why?"

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:42 pm Okay, serious attempt at self-analysis and then I'm going to bed. (GMT, fyi.)

I've definitely evolved my style over the years, and activity/engagement will vary game to game, but generally as town I rely on analysing votes and wagons (and therefore hate D1/spend it town-clearing more so than anything). I like to re-read the flow of the thread at certain points (e.g. as wagons form/EoDs) rather than ISO individual players, though of course I do that too sometimes. It's time-consuming, though, so when I'm busy (as I am these days) I will rely more on waiting for posts to ping me and then hounding that player.

As scum I'm not afraid to bus to keep up any town cred I've gained, but otherwise try to keep my game simple and sneak into a towncore by trying to play to my town meta. If I don't succeed in that, I'm a fairly useless scummate and quite easy to find. But if I do succeed I'm pretty decent at deepwolfing, I like to think.

As indy I just make it up as I go, as Jay and Sloonei can confirm.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:33 pm Dyslexicon
Epignosis
juliets
Michelle
nutella
S~V~S

Sloonei
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
sprityo
Tranq
Turnip Head

ColinIsCool
Dom
Dragomir

G-Man
Jackofhearts2005
JaggedJimmyJay
Master Radishes
NANOOK
sabie12
sig
speedchuck

Reasoning for reads?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:41 pm Really though Mac, I draw zero inspiration from calling you an orange boy given that you've done nothing. Show me that I don't have to default.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:45 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:38 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:29 pm Also jay the fact that I’m playing at all during D0 despite having stated I wouldn’t be (we see how long that lasted!), should be a fairly good indicator I’m town. I don’t feel the need to get sucked in quite as much as scum.

In inception you pretty much held back until day 2

I'll talk more about this later, but nanook is playing within his scum meta in everything from tone to posting style.

I literally just played two games with him where he was mafia, one I was indy so didn't care much to hunt and one where I was civ and did. Both times I knew he was mafia, before any information or anything game one i was brushed off and mafia won.

Game 2 it was a mix Epi jumped on and we won the game.

Now having said that during Circut, I believe, before I seriously called him out I skimmed over inception and just did again his playstyle and tone doesn't match inception but matches the other two.

He's being overly aggressive and defensive and honestly way to aggressive for this phase in the game, for the level of commitment I've put into going after him, and for the amount of votes/attention he's getting from everybody.

Only reason he's doing this? Since I again successfully called his alignment and he's pissed off.

If not then he's just a hella toxic player and honestly should be lynched anyway. Though given his last few games I doubt that's the case.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:51 pm Chiefly and I'll pull up quotes from this and other games later either tomorrow or Thursday is that as mafia he gets hella defensive to early and super sarcastic/trolling. Mainly over minor pokes. Like he did here.

He's also in both games, where he was scum, made comments about being mafia/mafia chat. Now this alone isn't the closing. People do that all the time but his reaction to whenever I've brought it up has been exactly the same every game. Read through them if you don't believe me.

@Sloonei @Jackofhearts2005 you two were his teammates in Circuits care to weight in?

sig is going HAM.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:56 pm Specifically, Nutella is showing waffles, wim and opportunism.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:05 am Also, if my read changes, I’ll pretend I was just trying to provoke a reaction all along.

But I really do think she’s a baddie.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:06 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:05 am Also, if my read changes, I’ll pretend I was just trying to provoke a reaction all along.

But I really do think she’s a baddie.

I do think this man is lying

So try and lynch me.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:23 am To be perfectly honest though I think finding mafia in multiball is usually rand until one or two die.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:42 pm Wait.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:33 pm Dyslexicon
Epignosis
juliets
Michelle
nutella
S~V~S

Sloonei
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
sprityo
Tranq
Turnip Head

ColinIsCool
Dom
Dragomir

G-Man
Jackofhearts2005
JaggedJimmyJay
Master Radishes
NANOOK
sabie12
sig
speedchuck

This is random and way too full for so early a point in the game. Some of the names listed had barely posted.

[VOTE: Vote MacDougall] aubergine

...

Yeah, I like this.

I'm going to head to bed now.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:38 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:42 pm Wait.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:33 pm Dyslexicon
Epignosis
juliets
Michelle
nutella
S~V~S

Sloonei
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
sprityo
Tranq
Turnip Head

ColinIsCool
Dom
Dragomir

G-Man
Jackofhearts2005
JaggedJimmyJay
Master Radishes
NANOOK
sabie12
sig
speedchuck

This is random and way too full for so early a point in the game. Some of the names listed had barely posted.

[VOTE: Vote MacDougall] aubergine

...

Yeah, I like this.

I'm going to head to bed now.

Confirmation that Jay is Radishes teammate

Eh?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:39 pm Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.

You his teammate? Lmao you know better than this.

I was just thinking you're probably bad anyway. Then this. C'mon man

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:48 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:39 pm Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.

You his teammate? Lmao you know better than this.

I was just thinking you're probably bad anyway. Then this. C'mon man

You have literally been in scum teams with me where you have been immediately caught by Jack and lamented profoundly how well he reads you. So your defense here is hilariously bad.

Did you like even read his posts tho. He's wrong and he even said he might be at first, then he doubled down.

I'm not a wolf. Use your own brain, not Jack's.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:51 pm Also Mac and epi if you read like two more posts youd see radishes realized his mistake and switched to Jay lol.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:56 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:54 pm I was toying with voting mac right before he appeared, now if I do so it'll look like omgus lmao.

Mac do better pls.

Would a civilian nutella care how it looks?

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:55 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:51 pm Also Mac and epi if you read like two more posts youd see radishes realized his mistake and switched to Jay lol.

Under duress when immediately forced to observe it and then lolkekked his vote to a wagon that has 0% chance of ever forming.

Nutella
Jay
Radishes

Teammates.

Throw Nanook in there and we may have a team.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:55 pmUnder duress when immediately forced to observe it and then lolkekked his vote to a wagon that has 0% chance of ever forming.

Nutella
Jay
Radishes

Teammates.

And you are on the other team then, I presume?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:11 pm @MacDougall, if jack came in here right now and said loljknvm nutella is town, would you keep your vote on me? Why or why not?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:15 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:04 amThe amount of vanilla lovers is concerning. Scum hides there mark my words.

Glad to play with everyone btw <3

Sould reading in page 1Tedex villager. Liked Nut - not a surprise ^^
Still reading to catch up. Work may stop this process

I'm glad you're town, Michelle.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:16 pmIs this legit?

I don't know anymore tbh.
Is this you ISOing me?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:16 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:15 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:04 amThe amount of vanilla lovers is concerning. Scum hides there mark my words.

Glad to play with everyone btw <3

Sould reading in page 1Tedex villager. Liked Nut - not a surprise ^^
Still reading to catch up. Work may stop this process

I'm glad you're town, Michelle.

Is this legit?

It's correct. Source: am better at reading Michelle than jack is at reading me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:19 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:16 pmIs this legit?

I don't know anymore tbh.
Is this you ISOing me?

I started to but I snap town read you on this post

You laaaizy =p

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:21 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:16 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:15 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:04 amThe amount of vanilla lovers is concerning. Scum hides there mark my words.

Glad to play with everyone btw <3

Sould reading in page 1Tedex villager. Liked Nut - not a surprise ^^
Still reading to catch up. Work may stop this process

I'm glad you're town, Michelle.

Is this legit?

It's correct. Source: am better at reading Michelle than jack is at reading me.

Is posting excerpts from the Aussie game scum chat bad faith here? Because you are absolutely lying and I am nearing 100% confirmation you are wolf because of it.

What?

What does this have to do with anything

Like I think I get it but it's irrelevant here? My ability to read Michelle still stands...???

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:28 pm Wait Mac i might be remembering it wrong. But I hold that my ability to read Michelle stands. Regardless of the specific tell thing I have referenced, she is obvious lol.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:27 pm ISO of @Jackofhearts2005

I'm spoiling this because it's long. I mentioned just about everything he said some relevant, some not. I tried to capture my comments in blue.

I see pluses and minuses as I expected I would. I think the thing that bothers me most is he went from calling nutella a suspect "maybe" to voting for her in the space of 3 minutes. It seems like his mind was made up so why post that "maybe"? It just rubs me the wrong way. Also, I mentioned before and thought about it as indicated while doing his ISO that he pursued me with a vengeance twice before when I was civ and he was bad and his pursuit of nutella here reminds me of that.

On the plus side though, would Jack link us to another game where he was town and nutella bad and ask us to look at it for comparison purposes? My feeling is he wouldn't. Also he points out that he's read nutella correctly 8 games running. Would he ruin his credibility on that point going forward to get her lynched here?

Jack is very good at being scum. I need to think about and/or get feedback about my points above or other points about Jack but he is a possibility for my vote today.

Spoiler: show

- Jokes around early about the ice cream and Mac not having a big D
I believe someone else pointed out this loose and funny Jack is a townie look.

- Says Jay gets an undeserved toweread from him based on page 1
Later says this was a meta read. I don't see anything AI in this at this time.

- Early hot take, Sloonei, Jay and ted all town arguing over nonsense (not sure if he's kidding here or not).
Later, when questioned, says if he's wrong on one of them it's ted

- Says no-one is getting lynched for an ice cream vote, Michele and sig saying bet there's a scum in the vanilla voters could be distancing
Not sure why he draws this conclusion. People got lynched in other LC/BR games partly because of their Day 0 vote in the initial poll as some of us pointed out.

- Asked by Jay how Sloonei, Jay and ted fit their metas but Jack doesn't answer. Says "no".
Can't tell if he's kidding or what.

- Says he's waiting until the end of day 1 to give his 100% accurate nutella read.

- Says nutella is trending down when she says sig is sketch for claiming people were forming a town core. 7:10 pm
I thought nutella's post sounded kind of forced so I don't disagree with him here.

- Says sig is probably town.

- Agrees with Jay that Radish is a net negative

- Says his suspects are Michelle, Nanook and nutella (maybe) 10:53 pm

- Says nutella is playing like she is mimicking her town game or she's town. 10:54 pm

- Says nutella is showing waffles, Wim, and opportunism and votes her. 10:56 pm
Goes from nutella is "maybe" a suspect to voting for her in 3 minutes. This is ngl.

- nutella posts wtf is this and Jack responds "thanks for sticking to the script and confirming my read"

- Says nutella does not really suspect him (after she votes for him), sig or Nanook

- Jay asks how he differentiates between a nutella who looks like her town self and a nutella who is her town self. Jack says "One waffles and doesn't show opportunism. The other shows opportunism and says she's waffling."
Actually a pretty good answer if it's true.

- Says if his read changes he'll say he was just trying to provoke a reaction but thinks she's a baddie.
I think I have seen Jack do this before but I don't remember specifics.

- Mac says he thinks Jack is lying, Jack responds so lynch me.

- Reason for his Michelle hot take: she hasn't been around and he sees more wim from her when she's town and there's a certain feel to content that he's not seeing here.

- When challenged by Jay says Michelle rarely has a low post count.
At this point though (11:43 pm) Michelle has probably been in bed for hours. I would think Jack would know about her time zone, he's played in as many games with her as I have, maybe more.

- The next morning he says Ok, Michelle is town. (She must have posted that morning.)

- Says he' unlynchable.
Does this every game.

- Town reads: sig, Michelle, Jay, S~V~S, ted, sprityo in about that order
My reads are very similar but just because his thinking here aligns with mine doesn't make him town.

- Says he's read nutella 8 games running on Day 1 correctly and here she is bad.
I have to admit this is pretty impressive. Would he say this if he is scum?

- Agrees with ted that Nutella's vote for him is fake as fuck. Not voting him because she thinks he's evil, voting him because she is defending herself.

- Provides a link to a game he and nutella played asking me, Jay, and sprityo to read it with the thought he is town and she is scum.
I haven't read this yet but I'm doubtful that Jack would do this as scum.

- Argues that Wolfjack would never go all in to Lynch someone Day 1. If nutella was really mafia and he was bad it would put him in the cross hairs of the other team and if she's town he loses all cred. He has a history of catching wolf nutella and linked us to a game where she did the same thing as she's doing here.
Pretty good argument for Jack being town though if nutella is mafia and Jack town her mafia team would still have him in their crosshairs.

- Responds to sprityo saying he is wrong about how odds work and he (Jack) is clearly fucking town and clearly right about nutella.
His emotion does not seem faked here but I can't forget how he pursued me with emotion in a game where he was bad and I was town. Jack plays the scum role well.

- Says two of his voters aren't paying attention and have demanded he be more town even though he's presented a case on a wolf. One voter misunderstood something he said and is voting on that. One voter is clearly bullshitting and is a wolf and he can't remember why Jay is voting for him.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:21 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:16 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:15 am
I'm glad you're town, Michelle.

Is this legit?

It's correct. Source: am better at reading Michelle than jack is at reading me.

Is posting excerpts from the Aussie game scum chat bad faith here? Because you are absolutely lying and I am nearing 100% confirmation you are wolf because of it.

What?

What does this have to do with anything

Like I think I get it but it's irrelevant here? My ability to read Michelle still stands...???

The part where you keep downplaying Jack being god tier at reading you. I have demonstrable evidence that you know and highly regard his ability to read you. The lines of logic you are using are fallacious as opposed to what they would naturally be if he was actually wrong.

What does the last sentence even mean? He is actually wrong,unless he is just a lying wolf, so if I am right about Michelle then my assessment is true (barring some bullshit about total number of games or whatever)

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:41 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:21 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:19 pm
It's correct. Source: am better at reading Michelle than jack is at reading me.

Is posting excerpts from the Aussie game scum chat bad faith here? Because you are absolutely lying and I am nearing 100% confirmation you are wolf because of it.

What?

What does this have to do with anything

Like I think I get it but it's irrelevant here? My ability to read Michelle still stands...???

The part where you keep downplaying Jack being god tier at reading you. I have demonstrable evidence that you know and highly regard his ability to read you. The lines of logic you are using are fallacious as opposed to what they would naturally be if he was actually wrong.

What does the last sentence even mean? He is actually wrong,unless he is just a lying wolf, so if I am right about Michelle then my assessment is true (barring some bullshit about total number of games or whatever)

Your reaction to him is not the reaction of someone who is being incorrectly read by someone who always correctly reads you. It's way too mundane. Jack misreading you would be a significant happening and you are downplaying it.

I'm downplaying it???? But also overreacting and being "histrionic"? Pick one.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:41 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:24 pm

What?

What does this have to do with anything

Like I think I get it but it's irrelevant here? My ability to read Michelle still stands...???

The part where you keep downplaying Jack being god tier at reading you. I have demonstrable evidence that you know and highly regard his ability to read you. The lines of logic you are using are fallacious as opposed to what they would naturally be if he was actually wrong.

What does the last sentence even mean? He is actually wrong,unless he is just a lying wolf, so if I am right about Michelle then my assessment is true (barring some bullshit about total number of games or whatever)

Your reaction to him is not the reaction of someone who is being incorrectly read by someone who always correctly reads you. It's way too mundane. Jack misreading you would be a significant happening and you are downplaying it.

I'm downplaying it???? But also overreacting and being "histrionic"? Pick one.

Oh look you found a fallacy you can latch on to. Got me.

You are downplaying his read when you say things like "he even said he may be wrong" and lolling at me telling me to do better than copy his read and you are being histrionic in your dealings with me moreso than him which makes the read even more valid.

I'm not actively downplaying that part, he literally said the words "or she might just be town" lmao. His read was weak by his own admission, then two minutes later he arbitrarily decided it was stronger off of nothing.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:52 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:50 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:28 pm Wait Mac i might be remembering it wrong. But I hold that my ability to read Michelle stands. Regardless of the specific tell thing I have referenced, she is obvious lol.

To quoth the nutella:
"Is your bike broken? 'Cause you seem to be back peddlin' awfully fast"

(Nutella, 201?, The Piano, Unknown Game)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:42 pm Dom is absolutely a wolf btw.

come the fuck on



[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

I tried to fix the quote tags on this.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:01 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:54 pm Like Nutella is playing what I would expect from her if she tried really hard to mimic her town game.

Or she’s just town.

Like she’s hitting her scumtell a and her towntells.

lol what is this garbage. u bad bro?

Here’s a post between them that’s a baddie sounding post though.

Like “shitshitshit I’m gonna get caught again. Better accuse Jack preemptively.”