The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:39 pm MacDougall is a member of the mafia faction.

Ya got me

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:26 amLiterally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

I dunno, filling the thread with this sort of stuff on day 0 might help you but it just makes the thread a more challenging read for me. Can't speak for the world though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:33 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:30 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:26 amLiterally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Civilians lose because they don't give a shit about winning. I lost in Vanilla Mafia because I didn't give a shit about winning. I didn't do work to do work.

I don't care what you do when you're bad. My methods work and you are well aware.

If they work then that's cool, go ahead and win us the game. If you're gonna take up this role there's not a whole lot of room for other people who like to lead the dance to do so and that's fine. I'll just sit on the sidelines and issue you intermittent support.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:35 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:34 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:26 amLiterally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

I dunno, filling the thread with this sort of stuff on day 0 might help you but it just makes the thread a more challenging read for me. Can't speak for the world though.

It's one post, Mac. What?

One post that caused my dick to shrivel up inside myself and I can't find it anymore Jay. My dick has disappeared and it's your fault.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:37 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:35 amIf they work then that's cool, go ahead and win us the game. If you're gonna take up this role there's not a whole lot of room for other people who like to lead the dance to do so and that's fine. I'll just sit on the sidelines and issue you intermittent support.

The entire point of everything I do is to encourage other people to get more involved. You know that better than anyone. You participated in our DFS slaughter and acknowledged that the pace of Days 0 and 1 was the catalyst of that slaughter.

So why are you now giving me this crap that can do nothing but discourage my effort to recreate that environment?

I didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

Need I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

By all means Jay, you do you. You are right, it does win games.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amI didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amNeed I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

What does that have to do with your motivation to play with your own effort?

See I don't even know what kind of question that is. I am squinting at the sentence just to try to understand it. My motivation to play with my own effort? Nope, brain still struggling with Jaytalk... C'mon brain, process this information! What!? Why is this so hard brain!?

Nope sorry I don't understand what you're saying.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:48 am I am always happy to step back and let other civilian(s) have a go and whipping the thread into shape. I just need someone to actually say "Yes, JaggedJimmyJay, I really want to do that."

That doesn't mean I'll shut the hell up, but I don't have to be the in the spotlight. I do this because I genuinely expect that nobody else will -- especially when Sloonei is the host and dunya is strapped for time.

No you go ahead. I'm gonna pick my shots on this one.

Still yet to hear from;

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention]
[mention]colonialbob[/mention]
[mention]DFaraday[/mention]
[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]
[mention]novaselinenever[/mention]
[mention]Quin[/mention]

I set the over under of DFaraday's post count by the time he has to be subbed out at 3.

Dunya is Mafia.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:02 pm Sloonei, you may want to consider a slightly milder blue for your host color; it's a bit difficult to read on the gray skin. You're the boss though, boss.

How's this

blinding me tbh

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:12 pm why have i never spammed a mafia game with annie edison gifs before, i don't know.

anyway, i won't be spamming much, it's past my bed time.

sloonei, what time EST is end of day/night going to be for my info.

linki: the last one is most agreeable to my eyes.

I rest my case

I think Jay and Epi are civilians.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:21 am hot lunch hour dunya take: macdougall is mafia

epi is town (also, hi jeff )

jjj is independent, probably can win with civs.

sabie is sabie i.e. town

now ask me why

No need. It's because you're Mafia.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:28 am no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.

he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...

but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.

there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.

This is all very basic analysis from someone with an intuition based game. You're bad because you picked the most logical case to put together that you could see, when ordinarily you are capable of deeper analysis than this.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:37 am if macdougall was town, he'd be trying to make sure it was civ-jjj leading the thread and get into some tag team action with him imo. i am most unimpressed with his contributions, even for a day 0, that he spent his time complaining and then taking it back--and that is all he contributed. nahw. even for a tuesday afternoon, dats weak sauce.

I have done this maybe a grand total of ONCE in all my time playing Mafia. Jay can attest.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:47 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amI didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

Need I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

I will note a grievance with Mac that I alluded to before and didn't expand on.

Orange follows green as though it is meant to explain why green is happening. That means the following assertion is being made:

"Jay, your multiparagraph post full of game theory at 2:40 PM on Tuesday discourages me from contributing, because I don't know your alignment." The connection doesn't make sense. To be annoyed by effort and to be distrustful of effort are not the same thing.

The latter comment is to explain why I would be antagonising you. Antagonist is my default civilian position and I have no reason to trust you..

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:16 am 11:21

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:21 am now ask me why

11:28

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:28 am no one asked me

Wow calm down.

Now that you've pointed it out I have to question my read on her. Would Mafia dunya be displaying the type of enthusiasm to make an OMGUS case on yours truly. I'd think that she would be more meticulous than that and more likely to have just waited for someone to ask her.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:30 pm My initial reaction is suspicion of the people calling out JJJ for focusing on game mechanics and structure. JJJ is well established as our exposition character, so suspecting him for that feels like trying to ignore everything that came before, like Rian Johnson did with Last Jedi.

So epi? Because I didn't say I suspected him for it I just tried to calm him down so he wouldn't frighten off the plebians. You should be thanking me because I am referring to you.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:48 pm DDL is mafia

I don't think he is. Pretty sure you are.

ColinIsCool - Is currently on Earth 53
colonialbob - is Mafia
DFaraday - is suspicious
Dragon D. Luffy - is town
dunya - is rusty
Epignosis - is town
JaggedJimmyJay - is t...own
novaselinenever - is with Colin on Earth 53
Quin - is currently wrestling crocs in the outback
reywas - is Mafia
sabie12 - is suspicious

If I was voting to lynch someone right now it'd be ColonialBob.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:22 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:32 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:14 amBig if true

How do you feel about anything in the thread up to me calling you a mafioso?

I feel like I don't have enough time to sort all of the Mac/jjj/epi stuff out right now except I doubt epi/Mac w/w.

I doubt that this is a genuine post from a civilian. I can't see how he arrived to the conclusion at the end at all really.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:48 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:55 pm sabie12, any impressions of dunya, Epi, or myself (or anyone else that may have shimmied in a post)?

Maaaaaan I don't know my brain hurts I didn't know there was a quiz on the first day. Wait it's the zero day...or is it zeroth day?

This is a mild ping but also might just be a result of her role-playing rather than her normal posting style. Usually I would expect a lot of waffly stuff (not in a bad way) but this is short and doesn't mention anything about any of those players.

I would encourage @sabie12 to do a little more talking about specific people (while keeping up the good RP )

I don't think this is a genuine post either. This is busywork.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:48 pm DDL is mafia

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:25 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:48 pm DDL is mafia

Tell me more.

Partly wanted in on the "blah is mafia" meme, partly sus of the way he latched onto your mechanics post. It was getting suspicion from other(s?), but for very different reasons than "JJJ is hiding behind mechanics talk" which is the typical accusation around that sort of thing. DDL expressed suspicion of a thing that other people found suspicious but for reasons that don't ring true. That makes my hunting instincts want to eat his face off.

I mind meld with ColonialBob when he is a civilian usually. I am finding myself unable to see his perspectives at all in every post he's made so far.

This is shit. You're all shit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:54 pm I think your observations are valid/agreeable on 2 of 3 for bob, @MacDougall. I will let him respond before I expand.

Get to the point you coward

Quin is town. Jay is town. Epi is town.

Quin has civ fire coming out his Aussie butthole.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:15 am

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:56 am

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:45 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:41 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:38 am Quin is good, unlike the announcements.

I'd rather hear your take on two-bit DF.

I agree with his general sentiment that an isolated "call out" of my mechanics post is a suspicious thing. I direct that at DDL primarily.

DF directed it at nobody and didn't answer me when I asked him to gimme names, so that's bad. I feel no compulsion to call him a civilian.

Sorry for being at work?

I was referring to Epi and Mac, but more so Epi since Mac didn't actually imply that the charting meant that JJJ was bad. These posts from Epi show him suggesting that JJJ's efforts were a Mafia smokescreen:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:30 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:26 amLiterally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:32 am Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.

If Epi can offer evidence that JJJ primarily does this sort of analysis as a baddie but not as a civ I'll reconsider, but as it is I don't buy his reasoning here.

I thought that Epi was doing it as a way to gauge 3J's alignment. No idea about Mac though.

In Mac's case it did come across as trying to discourage JJJ's analysis by making his confusion with JJJ's methods highly visible, but his motive for doing so is harder for me to get a read on than Epi's posts. However I was just going over Mac's posts and this is suspect to me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:18 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:28 am no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.

he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...

but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.

there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.

This is all very basic analysis from someone with an intuition based game. You're bad because you picked the most logical case to put together that you could see, when ordinarily you are capable of deeper analysis than this.

He doesn't deny or even defend himself here, and actually says that Dunya has a logical case. But his reason for suspecting her is that she normally would put together a more complex case? To me this comes across as Mac trying to deflect rather than engage with Dunya. I'll likely be voting Mac or Epi today.

Me taking an adversarial position towards Jay early on day 0 is about as common as a Pidgey on Route 1.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:15 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:25 am

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:15 am

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:56 am

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:45 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:41 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:38 am Quin is good, unlike the announcements.

I'd rather hear your take on two-bit DF.

I agree with his general sentiment that an isolated "call out" of my mechanics post is a suspicious thing. I direct that at DDL primarily.

DF directed it at nobody and didn't answer me when I asked him to gimme names, so that's bad. I feel no compulsion to call him a civilian.

Sorry for being at work?

I was referring to Epi and Mac, but more so Epi since Mac didn't actually imply that the charting meant that JJJ was bad. These posts from Epi show him suggesting that JJJ's efforts were a Mafia smokescreen:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:30 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:27 am

That's why civilians lose.

Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:32 am Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.

If Epi can offer evidence that JJJ primarily does this sort of analysis as a baddie but not as a civ I'll reconsider, but as it is I don't buy his reasoning here.

I thought that Epi was doing it as a way to gauge 3J's alignment. No idea about Mac though.

In Mac's case it did come across as trying to discourage JJJ's analysis by making his confusion with JJJ's methods highly visible, but his motive for doing so is harder for me to get a read on than Epi's posts. However I was just going over Mac's posts and this is suspect to me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:18 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:28 am no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.

he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...

but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.

there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.

This is all very basic analysis from someone with an intuition based game. You're bad because you picked the most logical case to put together that you could see, when ordinarily you are capable of deeper analysis than this.

He doesn't deny or even defend himself here, and actually says that Dunya has a logical case. But his reason for suspecting her is that she normally would put together a more complex case? To me this comes across as Mac trying to deflect rather than engage with Dunya. I'll likely be voting Mac or Epi today.

It's a good observation made my someone who doesn't even know my playstyle. My entire mafia career has been haunted with my over-hyped "intuition" tbh and then not being able to translate that into a case. You contradict yourself when you said you were expecting more intuition and then expecting deeper analysis...

You're either mafia or you are on some new mediciation that has altered your personality.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:25 am

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:15 am

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:56 am

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:45 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:41 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:38 am Quin is good, unlike the announcements.

I'd rather hear your take on two-bit DF.

I agree with his general sentiment that an isolated "call out" of my mechanics post is a suspicious thing. I direct that at DDL primarily.

DF directed it at nobody and didn't answer me when I asked him to gimme names, so that's bad. I feel no compulsion to call him a civilian.

Sorry for being at work?

I was referring to Epi and Mac, but more so Epi since Mac didn't actually imply that the charting meant that JJJ was bad. These posts from Epi show him suggesting that JJJ's efforts were a Mafia smokescreen:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:30 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:27 am

That's why civilians lose.

Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:32 am Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.

If Epi can offer evidence that JJJ primarily does this sort of analysis as a baddie but not as a civ I'll reconsider, but as it is I don't buy his reasoning here.

I thought that Epi was doing it as a way to gauge 3J's alignment. No idea about Mac though.

In Mac's case it did come across as trying to discourage JJJ's analysis by making his confusion with JJJ's methods highly visible, but his motive for doing so is harder for me to get a read on than Epi's posts. However I was just going over Mac's posts and this is suspect to me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:18 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:28 am no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.

he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...

but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.

there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.

This is all very basic analysis from someone with an intuition based game. You're bad because you picked the most logical case to put together that you could see, when ordinarily you are capable of deeper analysis than this.

He doesn't deny or even defend himself here, and actually says that Dunya has a logical case. But his reason for suspecting her is that she normally would put together a more complex case? To me this comes across as Mac trying to deflect rather than engage with Dunya. I'll likely be voting Mac or Epi today.

So do you have anything to say that actually addresses Dunya's points?

[VOTE: MACDOUGALL] aubergine

You would rather me address Dunya's points, who is currently not scum reading me, as opposed to yours who is voting for me. Why would that be?

Perhaps it is because you would rather incite violence between Dunya and I than get your own hands burned by the bright flame of MacScrewgall? Hmmm?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:25 pm Just about through Monday’s posts — I got rankled by dunya’s early go at Jay, it felt almost token.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:51 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amI didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:44 amNeed I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

What does that have to do with your motivation to play with your own effort?

See I don't even know what kind of question that is. I am squinting at the sentence just to try to understand it. My motivation to play with my own effort? Nope, brain still struggling with Jaytalk... C'mon brain, process this information! What!? Why is this so hard brain!?

Nope sorry I don't understand what you're saying.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:48 am I am always happy to step back and let other civilian(s) have a go and whipping the thread into shape. I just need someone to actually say "Yes, JaggedJimmyJay, I really want to do that."

That doesn't mean I'll shut the hell up, but I don't have to be the in the spotlight. I do this because I genuinely expect that nobody else will -- especially when Sloonei is the host and dunya is strapped for time.

No you go ahead. I'm gonna pick my shots on this one.

Everything Mac is saying here feels fake.

What's DFaraday like in btsc?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:37 am current rainbow. i feel good about epignosis most, followed by sabie and quin at equal levels i'd say. i haven't seen enough content from dfaraday but nothing has pinged me.

i need more content from nova, coliniscool hasn't posted yet and reywaS did that one post that pinged me where he complained about someone's play style but then took it back at the end...which i think is demotivating and purposeless. need to see more "game-related" content from him.

the last 4 are people i have reasons to feel iffy about. let's see what happens this day phase.

dunya
Epignosis
sabie12
Quin
DFaraday
novaselinenever
ColinIsCool
reywaS
colonialbob
Macdougall
Dragon D. Luffy
JaggedJimmyJay

Oh wait you do have a bad man read on me.

I have civ reads on DDL and Jay. Why are you and I on such different pages here?

Also why did you put yourself in your rainbow, that is such a ping to me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:56 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:54 pmI straight up don't believe that you are successful in forming a read on someone every time you talk to someone.

I will make a read on any player that has made one post.

Word.

With the exception of Jay having his usual tinfoily reservations towards Epi and Quin tinfoiling Jay I think we have a good town core here. I am quite confident that Jay, Quin, Epi and DDL are all civilians. ColonialBob, Dunya and DFaraday would be the ones I'm most suspicious of.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:35 pm With the exception of Jay having his usual tinfoily reservations towards Epi and Quin tinfoiling Jay I think we have a good town core here. I am quite confident that Jay, Quin, Epi and DDL are all civilians. ColonialBob, Dunya and DFaraday would be the ones I'm most suspicious of.

Colin thinks you're super fake. How does that make you feel?

He's entitled to his opinions

Jay had a civ read on me until I used a Trump gif.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:55 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:57 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:25 am

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:13 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:10 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:07 amShe's completely different from what I'm used to, which has always been civ. So GTH she's bad.

But GTH sucks and fails to consider she is obviously roleplaying, so more like neutral from now.

What is completely different about her?

Normally I'm expecting a single, 8 line paragraph on how she is unsure about a bunch of different topics.

This is so specific that I struggle to believe it.

i can see why it feels fabricated, but is it an accurate representation of sabie outside roleplay? i checked the ongoing game and can see a lot of variety in her posts, more beefy content as the game progressed. we won't talk about that now since we don't know her alignment and the game is ongoing.

then i checked a world asunder and honestly, i did see more beefy content as a whole from her there. the observation isn't completely unwarranted for someone who's played with her in a few games recently. but it was day 0. she was role playing a character she loves in a show she expressed genuine excitement about even in the sign up thread. and she did have a funeral and personal reasons yesterday. the question is would she use roleplay to mask discomfort at being given a scum role or not?

as much as i'd like to give ddl shit for that, i don't think it was a bad observation. i just dislike how he made it, and tried to get it to stick, then pulled out of it.

Like this dunya content a lot.

This guy is Mafia. If you can't see it then you don't have the skillz I possess.

Aight, since you guys seem desparate to lynch me day 1 I'll go ahead and solve the game for you so you can just win anyway k? I'm gonna use percentages of civilian mindset to demonstrate. The lower the percentage the less civilian. Anything under 50% is a suspect.

ColonialBob is Mafia (10%). This post is buddying Dunya, so she isn't Mafia. He's just hiding in her pocket. Bob is keeping a low profile here ever since I accused him. He's just sitting back and watching for a mislynch.

DDL (40%) has confirmation bias towards me which is why he isn't voting me so I was wrong and he is also Mafia.

Colin is town I think (70%). Quin is definitely town (love Quin, follow him 90%). I am quite sure Epi is town (80%).

After dwelling on it I think DFaraday is town (70%), his play has been pretty clear headed (I expect people to use this to lynch me but whatever).

Sabie (45%) is blending but I don't have a good read on her yet. Same goes for Reywas (50%).

Nova meh (50%).

I think Jay is a civilian but any civ read of Jay always comes with a healthy level of doubt (60%). If he is Mafia he won't sustain the contribution rate and/or he'll get night killed for being right about someone at some stage.

I gotta go to work, I'll try to spend some time formulating an opion on Sabie and Reywas if I can.

Meta musings: I don't draw this much suspicion when I am genuinely Mafia (early on anyway), it's only when I am playing with a slippery tongue as a civilian. It's documented so much it's canon. Self meta analysis isn't really worth listening to but nobody else seems to be pointing out this obvious fact so I guess I have to.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:52 pm I think I said earlier that Mac’s earliest posts felt “token,” as in it didn’t feel like he was really expressing his own thoughts there. I also got major pinged by one shortly thereafter where he rebutted an accusation against him as too simple — seemed kinda hand-wavey and WIFOMy

All I'm doing is expressing truly free Mac-like thoughts. Perhaps you are just taken aback by the fact that I am capable of rebel thought in the face of an avalanche of Dunya-Jay robot posts. I know, I'm quite the revolutionary aren't I.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:48 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:45 pm Can’t wait for the big dumb meat slab that comes along and gets everyone to vote in a landslide for reywaS or whoever

i'm already bracing myself for the attack of mac. i'll probably log off and go to sleep as soon as he logs on and wake up tomorrow to my mislynch.

Pass.

I am surprised that after all the analysis and hunting Jay did that he threw it all out, including a scum read of me, in the middle of a conversation with Dunya to vote me on the back of a single post I made. Maybe my choice of words was weird or something but it's a little bit weird? Regardless casting his vote on me kind of renders the rest of his play, of which there is a significant volume, kinda hollow and meaningless.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:46 pm i'm the only one who didn't get a percentage?

Yeah I decided to do the percentage thing after I mentioned you and then overlooked it. I'd have you at like 65% but mostly because I am very sure that ColonialBob is Mafia and you and him can't be teammates.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:47 pm I am surprised that after all the analysis and hunting Jay did that he threw it all out, including a scum read of me, in the middle of a conversation with Dunya to vote me on the back of a single post I made. Maybe my choice of words was weird or something but it's a little bit weird? Regardless casting his vote on me kind of renders the rest of his play, of which there is a significant volume, kinda hollow and meaningless.

*Including a civ read on me obvs

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:49 pm why would cbob have to hide? you barely went after him. it was a soft accusation, that i even felt could be early distancing, and then you retreated and voted for DF who you now claim has been clear headed...

the last part is exactly what scum-mac would say about the self-meta analysis. i'm not moved.

this is the first time i've been called a robot though. i'm....flattered?

If I have a scum read of a person based on barely any posts the obvious way to not feed my read is to post less.

The last part is exactly what any mac would say.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:48 pm but mostly because I am very sure that ColonialBob is Mafia and you and him can't be teammates.

why can't we?

because he "pocketed" me by agreeing with me about you? what about colin? he also agreed with that same post cbob did.

I actually didn't even read the post he was agreeing with. It was the fact that ColonialBob just found a Dunya chunk and was like "yeah here's a warm safe space I'll reside here". ColonialBob is bad. Colin has been making reads and posts. They are night and day.

Dunya I am just here trying to gamesolve around you at this point so if you wouldn't mind ...

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:51 pm If I have a scum read of a person based on barely any posts the obvious way to not feed my read is to post less.

i see.

so cbob is now in hiding because he's scared to awaken the tiger in you is what you're saying?

Yeah well when you want to frame my point in a way that makes me seem pompous I'm not even sure how that's relevant to my alignment. Are you in the lynch scum Mac business or be a dick to Mac for being Mac business?

Dunya what exactly point are you trying to make? Are you trying to say that I can't have a scum read of ColonialBob for something because Colin did something similar?

There is agreeance and then there is false agreenace. In one I see one in one I see the other. The context that helps the point is around it and you are ignoring it just to deflate me further.

In a world in which you were wrong and managed to rally 4 votes to me while I was asleep, how exactly does civilian Mac deal with it when he wakes up if not immediately try to gamesolve?

Well, attempting to actually gamesolve is very difficult when your primary antagonist responds to you post after post despite none of the posts even being relevant to her.

So you are putting me in an impossible situation by doing what you are doing.

I fully expect at this point for Jay to have seen something in my recent posts that makes him double down on me and then I'll have both Dunya and Jay tunneling me so you should probably just start preparing my funeral.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:47 pm I am surprised that after all the analysis and hunting Jay did that he threw it all out, including a scum read of me, in the middle of a conversation with Dunya to vote me on the back of a single post I made. Maybe my choice of words was weird or something but it's a little bit weird? Regardless casting his vote on me kind of renders the rest of his play, of which there is a significant volume, kinda hollow and meaningless.

"on the back of a single post" ? you should read his beef with you. it doesn't rely on a single post.

linki: you can post whatever you want. i'm free to poke and prod behind what you're saying since i think you're making it up.

Dunya I did read his beef. He jumped on one post, put his vote on me, then retrofit my gameplay to fit his read after the fact.