The Syndicate

checking in so i dont get replaced
my b

im here for like 30 min
catching up

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:05 am @MafiaMenace

Hello. We’ve never played together before. What can you tell me about yourselves? Where else have you played? What’s your experience and general approach to the game?

ive played on town of salem
mafiascum
mafiauniverse

i have a really aggressive approach to the game so if i get heated thats my excuse

i have roughly 30 games played and a year of experience

im putting catching up on hold
half an hour isnt enough time

alright here we go

ive had time but i really didnt know it was going on, i completely forgot about the game since nothing happened for weeks

alright i second whoever said theres nothing rn to base a read off of

[mention]G-Man[/mention]
you cannot scumread someone on being absent, thats complete bullshit

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:52 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:21 pm SMH grasping onto anything you can, I see.
What reads do you have so far?
none. This game has little substance. It feels like it is still Day 0.

this

i wholeheartedly agree

its complete garbage to say someone is untrustworthy and possibly scum just because they havent showed up

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:55 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:52 pm its complete garbage to say someone is untrustworthy and possibly scum just because they havent showed up
I'd agree with you if it was about someone who literally (heh) hadn't checked in yet, but when that person has at least been online and posted once to acknowledge the game has started but hasn't participated substantially since, there is a reasonable cause for concern.

they explicitly stated that i was untrustworthy before i said a word
and that i also didnt have time to check in, yet still scumread me even though they assumed that

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:02 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:55 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:52 pm its complete garbage to say someone is untrustworthy and possibly scum just because they havent showed up
I'd agree with you if it was about someone who literally (heh) hadn't checked in yet, but when that person has at least been online and posted once to acknowledge the game has started but hasn't participated substantially since, there is a reasonable cause for concern.
they explicitly stated that i was untrustworthy before i said a word
and that i also didnt have time to check in, yet still scumread me even though they assumed that
Why should you be trustworthy before you've said anything?

but how would i be unstrustworthy?
i literally cant be either since i havent made a post

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:10 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:02 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:55 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:52 pm its complete garbage to say someone is untrustworthy and possibly scum just because they havent showed up
I'd agree with you if it was about someone who literally (heh) hadn't checked in yet, but when that person has at least been online and posted once to acknowledge the game has started but hasn't participated substantially since, there is a reasonable cause for concern.
they explicitly stated that i was untrustworthy before i said a word
and that i also didnt have time to check in, yet still scumread me even though they assumed that
Why should you be trustworthy before you've said anything?
but how would i be unstrustworthy?
i literally cant be either since i havent made a post
Trust is something that must be earned. If you have not earned any trust, then you are by default untrustworthy.

Every person in here right now is untrustworthy to me.

you cant just say "by default"
you have to judge someones character and make a read on them before they can be trustworthy or untrustworthy

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:22 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:10 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:02 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:55 pm

I'd agree with you if it was about someone who literally (heh) hadn't checked in yet, but when that person has at least been online and posted once to acknowledge the game has started but hasn't participated substantially since, there is a reasonable cause for concern.
they explicitly stated that i was untrustworthy before i said a word
and that i also didnt have time to check in, yet still scumread me even though they assumed that
Why should you be trustworthy before you've said anything?
but how would i be unstrustworthy?
i literally cant be either since i havent made a post
Trust is something that must be earned. If you have not earned any trust, then you are by default untrustworthy.

Every person in here right now is untrustworthy to me.
you cant just say "by default"
you have to judge someones character and make a read on them before they can be trustworthy or untrustworthy
I can say whatever I like. I'm eccentric.

If someone is not yet trustworthy, it means that person is not worthy of trust. Not trustworthy = Not worthy of trust = Untrustworthy

You cannot be neither trustworthy or untrustworthy. You will always be, by definition, one or the other.

I swear y'all bait me into this.

yes i can
since i literally havent posted
you cannot form an opinion on me
i cannot be either trustworthy or untrustworthy because i literally was not here
that makes no sense

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:46 pm If you go to the bank for a loan, and you have no credit history, the bank might tell you that you don't have creditworthiness.

"But I haven't done anything to have good or bad credit."

Correct. And for that reason, you lack creditworthiness in the eyes of the loan officer.

thats a shitty comparison
this is mafia
not any of that stuff

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:43 pm MM, epi is just arguing semantics don't worry he's like that. The difference is whether you interpret "un-" to mean purely negative or as negative-or-zero.

latter

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:04 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.
no one was scummy
there was no content to judge
that's why you gotta force people to talk. or else mafia will coast by on inactive town

cite source: JJJ in Phenon: Origins

that was my goal by stirring up an argument

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:38 pm + what sorts of things do you look for in scum?

im not really sure
lots of my reads i make are tonebased

so with lots of this offtopic stuff, im lost on reads

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.
no one was scummy
there was no content to judge
was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?

epi is the only read i have
a slight townread

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.
no one was scummy
there was no content to judge
was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?
epi is the only read i have
a slight townread

for him to hold up his argument like that, places him in town rn

nutella is a bit iffy rn

neutral -1 i think you guys call it

so during the night we are absolutely allowed to talk about reads and even make them?
thats a big change than what im used to

im gonna fully read nutella cus why not

WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:17 pm Also could be dangerous. If you are on then you become a target. I wish my home site locked the thread at night.(thats not a complaint just have gotten use to it playing other places.)

i aint afraid

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:10 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.
no one was scummy
there was no content to judge
was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?
epi is the only read i have
a slight townread
for him to hold up his argument like that, places him in town rn
What is this referring to?

the untrustworthy v. trustworthy argument

nutella -

Spoiler: show

- wasted time by making an argument off of the word 'literally'

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:36 pm [VOTE: g-man] aubergine That is bullshit and you know it

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:05 pm Mister "I-read-the-entire-dictionary" over here calling someone out for using a sense of a word that is literally in the dictionary. How much faker can it get??

- backpedal's by asking if she was overreacting, minimising the consequences

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:52 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:40 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:36 pm [VOTE: g-man] aubergine That is bullshit and you know it

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:05 pm Mister "I-read-the-entire-dictionary" over here calling someone out for using a sense of a word that is literally in the dictionary. How much faker can it get??
LOL, I was busting his balls after all the over-analyzing he did at the beginning of A World Asunder. I was fishing for a reaction out of Sloonei but you gave me something even better to analyze.

So, would baddie nutella:

A) try to capitalize on the first person to throw shade for flimsy reasons in an attempt to start an early mislynch train?

B) attempt to buddy an oftentimes supertown Sloonei to get in his good graces while also setting him up to look bad if she were to flip mafia based on her swift rush to defend him?

C) both A and B?

Would civvie nutella:

A) be prone to such a swift overreaction to a fishing attempt (that didn’t even result in a vote) based on her background in linguistics?

B) have a cooler, more level-headed approach to Day 1?
Do you think I'm overreacting? I spotted what I determined to be a fake opinion and called it out. Turns out it was intentionally fake. So I wasn't entirely wrong, but I do tend to trust my first instincts and respond accordingly, then allow room to reevaluate.

And no, I'm not bad nor trying to buddy sloonei. I think he has made a decent entrance but I am not giving him any kind of pass.

- shade

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:04 pm I don't think @MafiaMenace has checked in but has @WaywardSon explained his vote?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:08 pm
WaywardSon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:04 pm I don't think @MafiaMenace has checked in but has @WaywardSon explained his vote?
On MM? He's only one I have played with.
Is... is that your reason?

my only scumread rn
do what you want with it if i die

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:22 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:10 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge
was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?
epi is the only read i have
a slight townread
for him to hold up his argument like that, places him in town rn
What is this referring to?
the untrustworthy v. trustworthy argument
could you pull it up for us to see? and also, if you don't mind, tell us why you think it's trustworthy.

playing mafia like me is being bombarded with homework assignments sometimes. i apologize.

starts here

its a weak scumread but what else can i pull from these few pages lmao

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:22 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:10 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge
was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?
epi is the only read i have
a slight townread
for him to hold up his argument like that, places him in town rn
What is this referring to?
the untrustworthy v. trustworthy argument
could you pull it up for us to see? and also, if you don't mind, tell us why you think it's trustworthy.

playing mafia like me is being bombarded with homework assignments sometimes. i apologize.

oh and i completely missed the last part

i feel mafia would choose to just step down from whatever argument theyre in rather than push thru it
see (my nutella read)

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... afiaMenace

there is a much easier way to make isos lol

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/phpbb/ ... 00&t={game #}&author={user}

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:57 pm there is a much easier way to make isos lol
Code: Select all
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/phpbb/search.php?f=100&t={game #}&author={user}

ebwop

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:02 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:22 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:10 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:09 pm

epi is the only read i have
a slight townread
for him to hold up his argument like that, places him in town rn
What is this referring to?
the untrustworthy v. trustworthy argument
could you pull it up for us to see? and also, if you don't mind, tell us why you think it's trustworthy.

playing mafia like me is being bombarded with homework assignments sometimes. i apologize.
oh and i completely missed the last part

i feel mafia would choose to just step down from whatever argument theyre in rather than push thru it
see (my nutella read)
Epignosis is definitely not the type to play a soft or passive scum game. He's a very crafty baddie. He'd stick to his guns.
for whatever that's worth. I'm not saying you need to read him as scum, just that I wouldn't plant a town read on him specifically for that reason.

im perfectly fine reading people on my own
but ill take that into consideration

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:24 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.
no one was scummy
there was no content to judge
Serious question: Where you normally are involved in Mafia, do civilians win much?

i just finished a game where i pinned 2/3 scum
but no, they all suck, theres been only 5 good villagers to come from the site

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:30 pm Lots of culture clash and a sprinkling of excuses through the first half of MafiaMenace’s ISO. Then he gets hung up on the semantics of trustworthiness. His big-dog attitude reminds me of the aggressive nature that others came to this site with when wandering into our bohemian culture from site’s more akin to players strutting around like young bucks. The more he produces game-relevant content, the better I’ll get a feel for him. For now though his ISO leaves him as a tough egg to crack.

i used that argument as a way to push out readable content from anyone willing to bite
as well as set my eye on players who could be suspicious

and it worked perfectly

i did say that i play very aggressively
so theres nothing new there

as well as i take back that statement in the quote
there was plenty to judge
i was just too blind to see it at the time

also excuses?
enlighten me

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:14 pm Liabilities will drag us down as the margin of error shrinks. Spacedaisy has one no-time-today-catch-y’all-later post to her credit. We’ve got some reads floating around but how long does her absence continue before it becomes a problem in each of our minds?

if youre suggesting to pl daisy, those never work

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:34 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:24 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:14 pm Liabilities will drag us down as the margin of error shrinks. Spacedaisy has one no-time-today-catch-y’all-later post to her credit. We’ve got some reads floating around but how long does her absence continue before it becomes a problem in each of our minds?
if youre suggesting to pl daisy, those never work
Leave your Jump To Conclusions mat in storage. There’s plenty of fresh meat to consider. I’ve been around the block enough times to know about the success rate of policy lynches.

What I mean is, at what point do think her absence becomes a detriment to our cause? This is a numbers game and the numbers are small from the start in Heists.

well they might get replaced so it should be fine

damn these phases are almost perfect

[quote=G-Man post_id=509859 time=1547342290 user_id=383]
Listing you all becauses lists:

Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-reywaS /quote]
what

now how the hell

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:22 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:18 pm Listing you all becauses lists:

Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-reywaS
what

ebwop

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:25 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:23 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:22 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:18 pm Listing you all becauses lists:

Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-reywaS
what
ebwop
Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.

that makes a lot of sense
i wasnt ever scumreading him
i just had no reason to read him in either direction

so now i know

right now im townreading epi, but both epi and nutella created the whole "literally" debate

so i would like to say there can only be one scum in {nutella, epi}
if nutella flips civi then the next one from there would be epi

mind you
you wanting feedback on your read gives townie vibes

{nobody}
{sloonei, epi, gman}
{everyone else}
{nutella}
{nobody}

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:48 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:46 pm right now im townreading epi, but both epi and nutella created the whole "literally" debate

so i would like to say there can only be one scum in {nutella, epi}
if nutella flips civi then the next one from there would be epi
so you've already decided to lynch me tomorrow? I'd love to convince you otherwise

ive learned to stick with my guns
lots of shit happens when i dont

and many, many times ive let scum out of my grasps a minute too early

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:48 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:44 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:25 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:23 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:22 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:18 pm Listing you all becauses lists:

Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-reywaS
what
ebwop
Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.
that makes a lot of sense
i wasnt ever scumreading him
i just had no reason to read him in either direction

so now i know
mmmmmm I don't like this

ew with the shade
its funny how immediately after you make a post about me already deciding to push your hang tomorrow, you come back with this
a post that could pivot shit onto me

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:51 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:18 pm If/once that line is crossed my ears will be deaf to your protestations.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:49 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:48 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:46 pm right now im townreading epi, but both epi and nutella created the whole "literally" debate

so i would like to say there can only be one scum in {nutella, epi}
if nutella flips civi then the next one from there would be epi
so you've already decided to lynch me tomorrow? I'd love to convince you otherwise
ive learned to stick with my guns
lots of shit happens when i dont

and many, many times ive let scum out of my grasps a minute too early
Lol whatever works for you guys but I find that changing my mind frequently leads to more success

that hasnt been my experience
would you like me to direct you to a game of mine where i got both scum day 1 but changed my mind all too quickly as proof

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:53 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:51 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:48 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:44 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:25 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:23 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:22 pm
what
ebwop
Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.
that makes a lot of sense
i wasnt ever scumreading him
i just had no reason to read him in either direction

so now i know
mmmmmm I don't like this
ew with the shade
its funny how immediately after you make a post about me already deciding to push your hang tomorrow, you come back with this
a post that could pivot shit onto me
Yeah I'm really clever huh.

Here's the thing and you can take it to the bank: I don't omgus. Ever. If I find something suspicious I say as much. I don't suspect people for suspecting me. That's bullshit.

where did i say that shit?
thats shade, simple as, and convenient as fuck too

that isnt omgus, thats desperation to not get lynched when the time comes

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:03 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:55 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:53 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:51 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:48 pm
MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:44 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:25 pm

Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.
that makes a lot of sense
i wasnt ever scumreading him
i just had no reason to read him in either direction

so now i know
mmmmmm I don't like this
ew with the shade
its funny how immediately after you make a post about me already deciding to push your hang tomorrow, you come back with this
a post that could pivot shit onto me
Yeah I'm really clever huh.

Here's the thing and you can take it to the bank: I don't omgus. Ever. If I find something suspicious I say as much. I don't suspect people for suspecting me. That's bullshit.
where did i say that shit?
thats shade, simple as, and convenient as fuck too

that isnt omgus, thats desperation to not get lynched when the time comes
Well I do tend to try desperately not to get lynched.

dont be desperate
if you are calm youd come across 100% townier
but you arent

so maybe this is something you can change in a future game
no matter your alignment

imagine it from our pov

desperation is bad
dont be desperate

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