The Syndicate

Do wolves actually whisper? I'm more acquainted with their howl.

guy im hay

I'm p sure you claimed mafia essooaaa

I know nothing about this show. Am I at a disadvantage?

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:23 pm Someone tell Grandpa Strawhenge what multiball is, or is supposed to be.

It means there's two (or more) mafia teams.

Is this multiball?

Strawhenge, you're a grandpa now??? Congratulations!! I had no idea

Oh good, I've only missed 1k posts.

What'd I miss?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:34 pmWhat'd I miss?
Numerous micro-interactions between various pairs and trios of players that could not be effectively summarized without writing a novel. You might be well advised to try catching up with ISOs instead of forcing yourself through the thread. If you want to do that though, you do you.

My tactic in large games has been to largely ignore everything that happens until halfway through Day 1 for my own sanity. That said, town has lost every such game. I'll start with SPF and KZA isos.

Why are you voting me and why do you have 100+ posts already?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:37 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:34 pmWhat'd I miss?
idk just do what I do and read what's in front of me and read back if u gotta.

Yah I'll order off your menu, what're you having?

Was there a verdict on the multiball discussion? That's the only thing I remember from yesterday

I want tutuu fanfics about TSPF

Why am I playing mafia with unfortunate human beings...

@KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:33 am i just remembered kza explaining that he's omgussy mann why do u explainn ur readsss that scummyyy dudeeeee only scum explain their reads

falcon
jay
mac
alison
esooa

---

kza

Tutuu's just openwolfing, got it.

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:09 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:56 pm @KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?
I don't think I have been? I'm not worried about him right now so no reason to redact the read anyway

Maybe that wasn't the right word. I saw you called him town multiple times, but I couldn't find an explanation before.

I can think of many strategies to reduce a POE down to 9 players.

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:14 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:09 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:56 pm @KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?
I don't think I have been? I'm not worried about him right now so no reason to redact the read anyway

Maybe that wasn't the right word. I saw you called him town multiple times, but I couldn't find an explanation before.
His early case on Alison seemed like a reasonable Sloonei thought even if I didn't really agree with it

This is a reasonable KZA thought.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:17 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:34 pmWhat'd I miss?
I'm confirmed town jay thinks you're mafia tsp thinks Jay is mafia

Thats the important bits

Cool cool, what do you think of Jay and myself? And also TSP?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:18 pm Marmot is giving me good vibes.

Are you flavored town this game?

BK has posted several broken images, so signs point to scum

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:22 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:19 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:17 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:34 pmWhat'd I miss?
I'm confirmed town jay thinks you're mafia tsp thinks Jay is mafia

Thats the important bits

Cool cool, what do you think of Jay and myself? And also TSP?
Not reading until d3/4, idk, my mac impersonation says hes mafia

Which one?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:25 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:22 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:19 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:17 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:34 pmWhat'd I miss?
I'm confirmed town jay thinks you're mafia tsp thinks Jay is mafia

Thats the important bits

Cool cool, what do you think of Jay and myself? And also TSP?
Not reading until d3/4, idk, my mac impersonation says hes mafia

Which one?
Its in the order you asked

Oooooh, I thought that was a full sentence in which you yourself were not going to read the game at all until then, then said Idk, then randomly said "he's mafia"

I got a red peek on Nanook btw

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:25 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:36 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:47 pm I am interested in investigating the following people more:
- Marmot
- SPF
- Dom
- Long Con
- Fingersplints
Got a comment on all of them?
I have null reads on Marmot, LC and Dom, and slight town reads on SPF and Fingersplints. I am interested in investigating them because...

- LC/Marmot's alignment sheds light on the alignment of other players. For example if LC is scum then you look great and the people that called LC town for no reason look really bad. Same with Marmot, SPF's pressure on him is telling if Marmot is scum.

- I find Dom to be a passionate and high energy player. While I don't think his absence from the thread is super AI, I would like to resolve him ASAP because I think I would work well with him if we're both town.

- Fingersplints is doing all the townie stuff that she usually does in other games, but she isn't as obvious town to me as she has been in both other games I've seen her town. I would like to understand why. This is the primary reason for reading her only lightly town and why I have her as a slot to look into.

- Out of all the players in my game, my read on SPF has varied/jumped around the most. I find half her content to be extremely townie and the other half to be insipid or misguided.

Has someone called me town for no reason?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:28 pm My initial effort to put together a POE pool of 9 players:

Spoiler: show
Town reads
falcon
Mac
Sloonei
Strawhenge

Semi-town reads
SPF
fingersplints
Alison

In flux maybe town reads
tedxtr
Nanook
Esooa
tutuu

Defer to others "town read"
Oddmerta

POE pool
KZA
Long Con
Dom
Marmot
Tony
JPIC
Michelle
BoKnows
Al_Sama

I spoilered the town tiers, because I hate re-posting my obnoxious lists over and over. I did add one tier and moved some names around in there though, so have a click. Some players in the POE pool I have even had moments of positivity for like KZA and LC. Those moments are fleeting in the grand scheme of the game state though, so they edge into the pile. I'm likely to be wrong about at least one town-inclined read, perhaps more, and I am torn overall on a number of slots. So it's quite grain of salt still.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:21 pm This game already feels like a civilian win. Strut your stuff town gang and we can climb the 2021 leaderboard in no time. Just do your thing, because you've been blessed with a state of total solving comfort.

JJJ trying to make this game look easy on page 2. I dislike.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:35 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:56 pm @KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?
Lots of people are, why's his townread notable?

I was ISOing KZA and I noticed instances of stating a townread of Sloonei but not explanation for it.

I think it drew my attention a little more because the three of us had a lot of interactions in Fallout Mafia, and in particular, Sloonei voiced strong scumreads of each of us at one point in the game, and I was concerned that KZA was attempting to pocket him early in this game after that happened there.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:39 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:21 pm This game already feels like a civilian win. Strut your stuff town gang and we can climb the 2021 leaderboard in no time. Just do your thing, because you've been blessed with a state of total solving comfort.

JJJ trying to make this game look easy on page 2. I dislike.
Nothing comes easy, dear rodent, but it's nice to feel like we're going about things the right way. When I like the atmosphere of a game, I will make it known and hope that it is sustained. I think we're doing well. If there's any skill I trust myself with the most in the game of Mafia, it's identifying when a game thread is going well for the civilian faction and when it is not -- and in steering it true when needed.

Sure. I was just surprised to see that as post #99 in the game thread. But yes, for better or for worse, you are probably the Syndicate's best cheerleader.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:43 pm my most hot take right now is that i find boknows mildly villagery

Ah yes, that is hot

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:57 pm actual read: some of your posts this game have given me the impression that you're doing a sloonei impersonation

Didn't JJJ teach Sloonei everything he knows?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:30 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:26 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:24 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:16 pm @staypositivefriend how d'ya think you'll wield your vote once you decide not to chop yourself?
my vote would probably land on aL_sama, marmot, or ted right now. i honestly don't have a single name that i can point to as definitely being scum right now though - i moreso have the game divided between "probably town" and "probably not town"
I also had a salad for dinner tonight.
my number one takeaway from this game so far is that i don't understand what "salad" means :P
"I would vote A, B, or C" is close to the prototype for the player salad tell. It's suggestive of keeping one's options wide open when not comfortable committing to suspicions. What's holding you back from placing one of those votes right now?
that makes sense - i would say that i am thinking in salad terms right now because of the particular gamestate we're in

i'm not at a point where i can confidently point to one player and say "this person is a wolf", but i am at a point where i can point to a pool of people and say "this pool probably has wolves", and vice versa for town. the more specific wolfreads tend to come later in the game when i've had more time to interrogate people and feel things out

there's nothing particularly holding me back from making a vote right now, either. i just don't feel particularly inspired to do it at the moment. it'll happen

JJJ said this game would be easy, but it never actually is.

Also, that's a lot of adverbs and use of the word "particular" in one post.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:48 pm ok ur right marmot spf is maf and ur town. so finger is town too

What?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:52 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:51 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:48 pm ok ur right marmot spf is maf and ur town. so finger is town too

What?
u havent realized ur power level yet have u?

My chief power is watching from a distance while everyone else dies

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:57 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:55 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:50 pm spf is less towny as town than as scum. so if she isnt getting paranoia scumread she's confirmed maf for being too towny
I don't agree with this general statement, but whatever anyway. I wouldn't be surprised by a mafia SPF here. Despite some nice moments she seems like she is struggling to find her place in the game thread. Plus salad
i have seen spf town in 3 games and in all 3 she was poe and ive seen her scum once and she was towncore and she kept being sent to the treehouse to protect her from the mafia nk

I think spf was consensus townread and nightkilled early in the two games I played with her.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:56 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:55 pm OOOOH yea jpiccie smart pat pat jpiccie

yea bo sorry but jpic caught u
when?

Don't worry about it. It's too late for you

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:52 am I can't ignore the possibility that Jay decided he wants to hold the record for most posts in a scum game but outside of that edge case hes probably just town

JJJ probably wants that record for every alignment if we're being honest.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:03 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:01 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:52 am I can't ignore the possibility that Jay decided he wants to hold the record for most posts in a scum game but outside of that edge case hes probably just town

JJJ probably wants that record for every alignment if we're being honest.
Please believe me when I say that I absolutely do not.

I didn't expect to be leading the post count with this roster. Someone get busy and hunt until you overtake me.

I'll never overtake you in post count as long as we're both alive, but I can do the other part.

Look at all those salads

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:10 pm Marmot should be where I am right now but instead I'm playing marmot and marmot is gone

I don't understand what you mean here.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:10 pm i wanna call sloonei mafia too and i was going to but then he was voting spf and its probably unnecessary to distance and more fun to powerwolf

Who's powerwolfing here?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:16 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:12 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:10 pm i wanna call sloonei mafia too and i was going to but then he was voting spf and its probably unnecessary to distance and more fun to powerwolf

Who's powerwolfing here?
i was saying if they were both wolves it would hypothetically be more fun to powerwolf than to distance

The powerwolfing thought doesn't feel related if you're saying that it's unnecessary to distance and also point out Sloonei's vote for spf. I guess I don't understand the point of this post.

It's now popular to suspect and POE yourself.

Pretty soon, everyone will be self-voting

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:23 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:20 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:16 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:12 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:10 pm i wanna call sloonei mafia too and i was going to but then he was voting spf and its probably unnecessary to distance and more fun to powerwolf

Who's powerwolfing here?
i was saying if they were both wolves it would hypothetically be more fun to powerwolf than to distance

The powerwolfing thought doesn't feel related if you're saying that it's unnecessary to distance and also point out Sloonei's vote for spf. I guess I don't understand the point of this post.
i wanna call sloonei mafia. then i saw he's voting spf. then i thought if he's mafia and spf is mafia and i was them i would powerwolf and townread each other coz its more fun and its what i would think two people perceived as spf and sloonei would do

I gotchu!

Are you a powerwoofer tutuu?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:25 pm [VOTE: BoKnows] aubergine

Confirmed scum. Get him outta here!

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:24 pm
AL_sama wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:19 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:11 pm @AL_sama what do you have to say for yourself?
I don't think I need to or ca say anything when I did nothing at all
Well this is pretty evasive.

The original question doesn't lend itself to a simple answer.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:28 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:26 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:25 pm [VOTE: BoKnows] aubergine

Confirmed scum. Get him outta here!
That's something a scum would say tbh

Then my vote is in the perfect spot.

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:28 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:37 am JPIC is reading more of the thread than he lets on which is generally towny from quote unquote LHF slots.
what?

It's obviously a leaking wolfchat.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:29 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:22 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:13 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:10 pm Marmot should be where I am right now but instead I'm playing marmot and marmot is gone
ok in between where I was reading this and then this marmot showed back up but this remains true
Why should Marmot be where you're at right now? Translate
in all of the games I've played with Marmot recently where he was town, he took the position of a high posting contrarian. in fallout he got into a big fight with sloonei etc.. In this game, on the other hand, he's posted rather little (that can be explained by other factors) and while in the thread largely followed the town leaders as far as I can tell. This strikes me as off.

You may or may not have also noticed, but I've made a habit of participating very little in most of Day 0 and early Day 1 before really engaging games, mainly for my own sanity and ability to keep up with a game over multiple days.

Am I really that much of a contrarian? I wouldn't have described myself as such.

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