The Syndicate

Alright, I'm here.

Once again I somehow managed to have two games start roughly at the same time even though neither of them had a designated IRL day to start - _ -*

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:20 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:15 pm A negative read! Long Con sank slowly into his chair, realizing his time of being universally town read was officially over.

"Don't even acknowledge it," he thought. "That's their problem, not yours!" He took a deep breath and continued reading.

Too bad that you acknowledged it by virtue of this 3rd person post. [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I'm not sure if acknowledgement is necessarily scummy. I think everyone is to some degree self-aware regardless of alignment, I'm currently gonna lean town on him atm.

Early reading tutuu as town here as well as Alison so far.

Everyone else I don't know yet.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:51 pm Early reading tutuu as town here as well as Alison so far.

I should note that these are independent reads, regardless of the mason claim or covering.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:53 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:51 pm Early reading tutuu as town here as well as Alison so far.

Everyone else I don't know yet.

Reads the Mason claim pair as town and nothing else

If I am mason I would masonizer shoot Trustworthy tonight.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:01 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:51 pm Early reading tutuu as town here as well as Alison so far.

Everyone else I don't know yet.

Didn't you just say you're town reading LongCon?

I also said earlier that atm I'm handling two games at once. So if you could, please forgive me for forgetting to type Long Con.

And I said I was town-leaning him iirc, not town-reading (which is like a step up imo).

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:05 pm Are you also using the excuse of playing 2 games in the other game to avoid having too much responsibility for your reads?

Do I really need to say that not everyone in the game has posted yet?

Or is that not obvious enough so I need to say it?

Besides, there are only 90ish posts for the game.

Are you really going to hold me to a high expectation on having more reads than I currently do and then (possibly) scum-lean/read me for it by not meeting that expectation?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:19 pm What does post count have to do with anything? If you're scum, you're scum regardless of post count.

Post count in a thread DOES have to do with reading. Can't really read a game if there's more players than scum count that haven't posted, and not all 0-post counts are scum.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:29 am this is the most chill syndicate game ive seen in all months ive been on here

12 hours or so remain till eod and we at page 4

i rly dont predict we will go past page 6. willing to take any bets, any wager

:/

I guess gotta deal with this then.

I was expecting more since the last Racket (light) game here was much more....expressive despite the post-count limitation.

Doing a quick re-read of some ISO's, I feel:

Alison
Tutuu
Funny
Long Con
Nanook

are probably town or are town

TL
Enrique
DrWilgy

Are probably the people I would feel most suspicious of atm.

Everyone else is in-between, given the past 200ish posts.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:02 pm Doing a quick re-read of some ISO's, I feel:

Alison
Tutuu
Funny
Long Con
Nanook

are probably town or are town

TL
Enrique
DrWilgy

Are probably the people I would feel most suspicious of atm.

Everyone else is in-between, given the past 200ish posts.

I will admit though that the people I feel suspicious of are

People I haven't played with before and are people who possibly have different play-styles than I do

Tbh I wonder if anyone town-reads Enrique

because I don't understand why someone comes itt only to inquire about the setup and have basically no other content

And I don't feel Marmot is plausibly scum unless I'm being oblivious to some significant "scum would think X or do X" point.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:24 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:18 pm Tbh I wonder if anyone town-reads Enrique

because I don't understand why someone comes itt only to inquire about the setup and have basically no other content

You don't understand it, or you find it suspicious?

Mostly don't understand from a !town perspective.

It looks like he has some sort of energy there but decides to not use it....

unless you're going to tell me this is another player who's playstyle shines past D1?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:34 pm Oh god, these gray urls are awful.

I can 100% agree

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:39 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:10 pm Oooh, LC and Alison have simila poe's. Are you two partners in an "I have a nightkill that I'll use" sort of way?

This is actually an incredibly wolfy post.

On the basis that he's discrediting two mildy or greatly town-read players (at least from those that are being active)?

Or is it good independent thought (though personally I disagree with it atm)?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:32 pm I see that ts account was almost certainly joking about being mason with fg since they're voting for her.

They never typed anything about that vote.

I guess I have to vote someone to see who has actually voted.

[VOTE: ts account] aubergine

Idk about the rules around here but I generally feel like one should be required to mention voting someone, but that's just my opinion.

Yeah, he's right.

I didn't notice because I didn't vote; I used an incognito window to check results :c (which doesn't show who voted who)

Anyways I was suspecting ts account separately from Funny; my reads list reflected that though I didn't really call them out specifically.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:59 pm You don't have to say anything when you vote for someone (unless the host says otherwise). But it certainly doesn't help your case if you don't.

But I can't be too harsh on them, as I'm currently voting myself, though I didn't say anything.

I kinda feel like its part of proper etiquette or something tbh

My homesite + MU have some sort of capacity to show actual votes in the past.

If you vote by poll without mentioning it at all then you're distorting what the future will be able to see unless someone actively records it.

Not that I'm scum-reading TS account solely for some sort of "you shouldn't do X in a game" reason.

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:02 pm that wasn't my real vote lol hence why I didn't announce it, I wanted to see current votes so I just clicked FG

I think it's pretty scummy of marmot to make that call without actually looking at my posts

Were you waiting all this time UNTILL someone brought it?

What if people never noticed? I couldn't have until I either voted at EoD or someone brought it up.

Also there's a "Spec/Mod" option as well.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:04 pm did the update remove the view poll without voting option

also you could have just explained that in the first place

That option exists, but last time I tried that it was in the Grasslands game and it permanently removed my vote from the game until the poll got reset early-mid D1 by Dizzy.

So I always use an incognito window just in case cuz I don't wish to risk removing my ability to vote lol.

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:06 pm point is, you're either not thinking or scum for assuming a vote on my mason partner would be legit, especially when I didn't vote in the thread

I find it odd that you were expecting that to be your sole contribution to the game until someone noticed it.

No additional content or analysis in the meantime.

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:10 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:08 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:06 pm point is, you're either not thinking or scum for assuming a vote on my mason partner would be legit, especially when I didn't vote in the thread

I find it odd that you were expecting that to be your sole contribution to the game until someone noticed it.

No additional content or analysis in the meantime.

I shouldn't really need to contribute when I'm claimed PR

unless you expect me to actually find scum correctly? in which case I have bad news for you

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:33 pm I want to rephrase everyone susing me for being nervious and ask anyone that knows me to correct them on this honestly.
As unless i am doing a gimic (In which i am not here) i am always nervious as Day 1 start in a game with an abondence of people i don't know.

But of course you might be forced to take my word for it in which i know you will not believe.

I'm gonna take the leap of faith on this one and say TL is towny here.

Or I could over-think things

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:00 pm TL giving GTH reads to start, eh? Cool. Also note that her scum leans consists solely of 2 players who've shaded her. No scum reads on anyone who hasn't sussed ya TL? Not even 1?

I did note that as well, but I think it goes along with their recent post about being nervous (especially since that despite having 2 scum leans and 4 town reads, they still have more Nulls than non-nulls).

And honestly I've been a bit nervous or uneasy at times as well trying to deal with the fact that quite a few people were very low content or activity (imo), and that the number of those people were above the amount of scums in the game.

Sometimes the only thing we can trust is the role PM that we got from the host.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:08 pm Sometimes the only thing we can trust is the role PM that we got from the host.

Not that this is ever a desired situation, however. I've been trying to find my own way to get a sense of the game regardless in this rather new environment for me.

Fake claims that are meant for cover generally don't generate this kind of statement imo:

"I shouldn't really need to contribute when I'm claimed PR"

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:54 pm might just say screw this game and let it happen honestly, not my fault people decide to kill me for playing, should have just stayed afk

Well your original plan of "playing" seemingly was to rely on a single plan of being afk with an unmentioned vote until someone other than you mentions it

Which could've gone unnoticed for the entirety of D1 by people like me

As much as you think its obvious that wasn't a real vote I honestly wish the same level of thought could've been given to that plan to see its possible faults.

Presuming you're town ofc.

IMO I would not like to see a TL elimination today, at the very least.

I don't know if I should be giving TS a pass, but what I do know is that for now I think TL is towny enough from my point of view to not eliminate on D1.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:17 pm I don't like how this page has desolved honestly.

Okay, I'll admit I may have been unfairly condescending at one point or another.

I do have an issue with being that way sometimes, though I do try to work on not doing that in the future.

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:20 pm tutuu is laughing inside because a townie claimed them as their mason partner and now gets to kill both masons

tbh if you flip mason then Alison + Tutuu (namely Alison) get a lot of heat on them for pressing their claim against yours

I would imagine

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:21 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:20 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:17 pm I don't like how this page has desolved honestly.

Okay, I'll admit I may have been unfairly condescending at one point or another.

I do have an issue with being that way sometimes, though I do try to work on not doing that in the future.

No in general your posts this page has been okay i mean the wagons went

3 TS
4 Trusty

to

5 TS
2Trusty

with very little progression and both tutuu and nutella not giving reasons for the switch

That is true.

However I do believe Nutella has given past, more recent comments, prior to the vote post that align with that vote in context.

Example:

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:28 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:27 pm Fake claims that are meant for cover generally don't generate this kind of statement imo:

"I shouldn't really need to contribute when I'm claimed PR"

this

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:14 pm I'm still curious... To anyone who wants to answer. What's the case on TL again?

I'm not aware of what exactly was the issue, but iirc someone or some people had an issue with this post:

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:52 pm Werid for me to be near on the first page lets go i think this will be a good game hope i can get my reads on point lets go.

Spoiler: show

For me personally, at the time I was suspicious of TL, it was because they hadn't developed much, and this was their last 2 posts of the time (#88 and #99), in particular #88.

It just felt like they were getting intimidated, possibly to due to wolf self-awareness or TMI.

However when they returned I saw nervousness from them, and in the context of the reads they gave and more, I felt it came from a towny perspective or mindset.

is it just me or do both TS and DrWilgy have the ? avatar

its confusing a bit

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:10 pm ts account was almost surely getting chopped this day. Long Con had a bad feeling that it was not the right move, but how can one speak a feeling? How can one guess the forbidden secret?

Tbh I have a bad feeling about not eliminating him, and slightly lesser feeling about eliminating him.

If he's Mason then for some reason Alison thinks she'll get away with it (or she's the person I would review on D2 first)

And if he's mafia, then not eliminating him is a very bad idea

I would also have a very very tiny fear that Alison + Tutuu + TS + Funnygurl are all somehow town without a single wolf; which I almost certainly doubt but if it were true then town is in a terrible position with this EoD fmpov.

But all of that is probably over-thinking it. Gotta learn when to stop analyzing and take a stance, and my stance is that we should eliminate him because I think he's more likely to be mafia than not.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:49 pm If they were wolves, and ts survived, then surely we would be tipped off when the nightkill failed to take one of them out. They would be exposed.

Valid point.

Give me a decent reason why I should yeet Nanook specifically and I'll consider switching my vote.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:53 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:49 pm Were they the real deal? funnygurl had responded correctly to the mason check, corroborating ts account's claim. It seemed likely that the claim was either real, or that they were wolves together.

If they were wolves, and ts survived, then surely we would be tipped off when the nightkill failed to take one of them out. They would be exposed.

The 2nd bit looks a clever way to setup a future mislynch.

It possibly is, but that would mean the wolves risking having the masonizer used, presuming TS is somehow the real deal.

They would have to have a semi-deep wolf/mafia team imo.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:54 pm MIKEY IS NOT A WOLF

you're right he's not a wolf he's mafia

If you want me to move my vote then please give me a decent reason as to why I should scum read or vote Nanook.

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:55 pm and it looks like we don't have enough presence to actually cfd anywhere worthwhile

Yeah but I can make it 5/5 and maybe the host will RNG it.

Fair enough

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

He locked you in as town compared to other people who may have also claimed mason

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:59 pm This isn’t what I meant when I said we should kill someone that isn’t mikey, guys

Well lets see if the wolves have the guts to kill the masons (if the yknow who they are) or not

not kill*

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:04 pm if we have enough people present we can swing the lynch onto someone better, I just only see like 5 people here

Afaik EoD was 4 mins ago and thread should be locked as well as the poll.....

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:47 pm Day 1 will end at 10pm EST time. Which is roughly 2 hours and 15 minutes from now.

(this was about 2 hours and 20 mins ago)

I would like to note that the primary reason why I ended up shifting my vote is because I think LC meant at one point that the wolves/mafia may really know who the masons are at this point.

So either they kill one of the masons, or risk getting a 3-mason team which (depending on who its used on and who's the mason team) could really shift things in the game [As compared to somehow eliminating a mason and the other getting NK'ed]

Depending on the NK we (or I) may resume our "lets eliminate TS/Funny" discussions

I also might go along with Falcon's recent suspicions of Enrique, though I'm not sheeping him because Enrique was one of my early suspicions.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:57 am Long Con paused. He had not intended to imply that the mafia team knew who the masons were by default.

You might've not implied it, but I generally felt and believed that the masons were in either Alison/Tutuu or TS/Funny

I also thought that was kinda obvious itt. I mean, I believe I do recall Alison specifically hard-claiming against TS:

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:40 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:35 pm Trustworthy Liberal had voiced the same concern Long Con had been feeling: that the lack of concern over the hardclaim made ts account's mason claim - and their insistence upon it - seem very thin. What was the point of it? Alison's hardclaim had changed the game from the outset, and upon reflection, was becoming increasingly doubtful.

Was it paranoia that led Long Con to begin to doubt Alison's claim? Was tutuu merely a civilian pawn in a well-planned game?

I hardclaimed the first post I made, my mason buddy corroborated & hardclaimed the first post she made, and every other competing mason claim is either obviously a joke or has been disproven (like ts account's).

Unless I misread this quote somehow?

Also I find it a bit difficult to believe (in a hypothetical world) that 2 teams of fake-claim masons (who are all town) would work together in announcing their PR status like that and going at each other like they did a bit on D1.

Though I think FG strongly suggested Alison was "Null", and Tutuu was showing some hesitancy off the top of my head (But I may be misremembering).

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:57 am LC is around and didn't take a side except that no case on Nanook (Which is ture) but i honestly don't know where their vote laid.

I distinctly remember LC's and DrWilgy's vote being on Nanook, or at least together at one point somewhere.

I'm not 99% sure if it was on Nanook though. But I did specifically mentally note it down once I believe.

I also recall there was a total of 8 votes on Nanook by EoD....meaning only 5 players didn't vote Nanook in the end.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:20 am Notice how FG kept screaming "MIKEY IS NOT WOLF" instead of "MIKEY IS MASON"

FG is vanilla town and TS is a wolf

Good point.

Also I though I might point this stuff out, since there's a W/V hypothesis of TS/FG.

#413

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:03 pm FG HAS BEEN PLAYING POKER THIS WHOLE TIME
AND IGNORING ME

#437

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:28 pm i'm back and holy hell was it weird to see the carrots

#444

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:38 pm i'm sorry i was playing poker