The Syndicate

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:35 pm Can someone put together the flipped roles, the claims and the night actions?

I was updating Tutuu's list during the Night, then when I got Joe Pesci'd I couldn't post it and never finished.

So...maybe I will.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:37 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:34 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:33 pm EOD2 Wagons
Marmot(10): Sloonei, Mac, Made, Nute, Tim, Radish, Martin, JPIC, Hyena, Syn

You want to tell me only Sloonei bussed Marmot? This is interesting.

I was just looking at that too.

It was a flash wagon. I think, from memory, about 40ish minutes before EoD?

So it should be pretty pure I think.

Meaning it would be interesting to check the previous VCs and the dynamics
I don't have time now, i have to sleep..

Yes, true.

I think the wagons were Tim vs...Martin?

Not a final version. Someone help me out with:

*Kyle's votes/steals
*Syn's actions N4/N5/N6
*Updates e.g. what Tutuu claimed (I got a few but forget some)
*Anything else I missed

@Michelle see my above post for rough draft of claims and everything.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:47 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:44 pm

Spoiler: show

==MECH MASTER POST VERSION 4==

DEAD:
cat - yeeted d1 - post silencer. put in contact with jackofhearts during d2 by hyena's communicator role

dyachei - killed n1 - vengeful. attempted to be put in contact with (nutella?) during d3 by hyena's role, allegedly they were afk

marmot - yeeted d2 - tetris blockhead - long con claims to have played tetris on d2 so allegedly marmot visited LC n1

mac - killed n2 - neighbourizer - targeted nutella at (some point?); nutella claims to have had BTSC with mac during d2 and n3; i think he was 1-shot. put in contact with timsup2nothing during d4 by hyena's role

falcon - killed n3 - negative utility umm vanilla town - presumably dead because ran out of spiders

nanook - killed n3 - mafia goon with no abilities. shot by kyle n3 using tim's vig shot

nutella – killed n3 - swapped with jack by her own ability. was in neighbourhood with mac.

112 – killed d4 – could direct people’s votes

Sloonei – killed d5 – threw baseballs at targets; certain combinations of balls/strikes would kill the target or himself – tutuu claimed to be targeted d2, and Kyle claimed to be targeted d3

MartinGG99 – killed n5 – jailkeeper – n1 falcon. n2 JPIC. n3 nutella. n4 Ted. 1/2 of his action on nutella failed

Tedxtr – killed d6 – negated a person’s vote the next day – tracked targeted Martin, Michelle, and himself during n5 (he had a one shot bus driver from Alison, and Martin was the n5 death – currently it is unclear who he targeted with what)

JackofHearts2005 – killed d7 - cop who forced simpsons or pesci quotes – outed sloonei, confirmed TSP and MR

TonyStarkPrime – killed d7 - nurse – targets were mac, skip skip, jack, skip jack

LIVING:
Alison - claims 3p gambit demon. chooses a target at day, they converse during night and accept or reject, at the end of the following day the deal is sealed and on the following night target can use action.
d1 long con tracker effective as of n2
d2 kyle steal-power-for-1-night-of-person-u-voted effective as of n3 (so d4)
d3 falcon protective effective as of n4
d4 ted bus driver
d5 made (offer unknown?)
d6 role stolen and offered to herself by kyle’s actions
she redirects all night actions and votes that were supposed to land on her to her target instead if they accept the deal.

DrWilgy – can offer role cop or btsc to a target – took no action n1-n4; n5 action redirected on himself via Kyle and he became role cop for the next night
On d6 he remained role cop, presumably due to being targeted by MR – he also was able to role cop Michelle and was given what we think was Dizzy’s role instead
On d7 claimed to forget to submit actions on n6

Dyslexicon – ‘superdoc’ who could protect both himself and their target (as per Dr Wilgy’s wording) – claims to have protected nutella during n3 and to know that his action was successful – was able to verify Martin’s claim and was alerted about this in some way

Hyena - a role that lets a dead person be in BTSC with living person. n1 – cat with jack (confirmed by jack). n2 – dyachei with Nutella. n3 – mac with tim (confirmed by tim). tracked by long con during n3 and seen visiting tim and mac. n4 – nutella with long con. n5 – mac with syn.

JustPlayingitcool – can become double voter or lose vote based on betting how many votes lead wagon receives - received an Elton John song N2

Kylemii – had four tasks to complete, and as part of that submits a name each night and is dinged when he has submitted both a town and mafia name (not notified about 3Ps and roleblocks) – got dinged after n4 (now confirmed to be due to ted) which almost certainly clears long con (n2) and tutuu (n3). Falcon was n1.
Can also steal the power of whoever he’s voting for at EoD and direct it against someone, but isn’t told what the power is. n1…
Also used alison's power steal to steal tim's shot on n3 and use it to shoot nanook. played baseball on day 3 and hit the ball

Long Con - claims to have played tetris on d2. soft cleared by kyle's mech info. n2 forgot to submit track and it was stolen by marmot anyway. n3 tracked hyena and saw him visiting mac and tim. n4 not sure? n5 saw Ted visiting Martin

Made – claims to have earned invulnerability somehow (can’t be chopped)

Master Radishes – claims he can make a person self-target. also won a roleblock by syn's tetris, used on Tim n6.
n1 - nanook to presumably no effect. n2 - 112 to some effect as per 112. n3 - hollowkatt to no effect according to hkat. n4 – Ted – effect unknown (it coincided with Martin’s jailkeep). n5 – DrWilgy – seems to have made Wilgy stay role cop but not stopped his check on Michelle. n6 - DrWilgy again, no effect
Greenchecked by Jack

Syn - backup of the yeet. n1 uset cat's silencer to silence sloonei. n2 used marmot's tetris to play vs MR, scored 0 on purpose. n3 used jack's role on i think nanook? n4 ? n5 ?

hollowkatt - claims a passive role that has self-defensive properties and that can't be disrupted. MR claims to have disrupted his target on n3. hollowkatt claims that he received no notification.

Timsup2nothin - n3 vig. shot at tutuu on n3 but failed due to kyle stealing it. n6 shot at MR but was blocked by MR’s roleblock (won via Tetris).

tutuu – no info. allegedly town by kyle's mech info claim. played baseball on day 2 and hit the ball

Not a final version. Someone help me out with:

*Kyle's votes/steals
*Syn's actions N4/N5/N6
*Updates e.g. what Tutuu claimed (I got a few but forget some)
*Anything else I missed

N4: Tim (forced vote)
N5: Nobody (baseball)
N6: Tim (invalidated vote)

Tyvm. I'll update later with hopefully more gaps filled too.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:47 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:10 pm Btw guys I targeted Wilgy again with the self-target. Mainly PoE checking / wanted to see if he got any more strange results or whatever.

So um. Yeah.

Why would you do this? I said I can't prove if I'm stuck as rolechecker.

Wanted to see what happened.

Hot new theory:

Role cop w!Wilgy had checked both Dizzy and Michelle and claimed Michelle's role without checking he had the right one.

I was hoping between a roleblock and a redirection on two different members of the remaining PoE I might hit another wolf and solve the game.

I wanna be a hero like Kyle and LC.

I should go to bed soon. If I get more info on what I'm missing from the Big Ass Role List I'll update tomorrow morning (or tutuu can take charge of it again).

If you remove the Round of Chaos that was Ted, we have had a winning PoE this entire game and have had the same people towncored throughout most of that as well, at least after the usual wild energy of the early game settled down and a few people flipped and all that. Ted did an excellent job of confusing us, but in actuality things have been straightforward this game in many ways, and I see no reason why we don't trust that process further and go with an obvious PoE yeet.

(We can also yeet Alison so 112 doesn't feel bad about being the only 3P we take out.)

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:03 pm @Made i think tutuu claimed to be some sort of tie breaker

my thieveries:
tim: kill nanonk
uh..... then i.... stole from.... dr wilgy i think? and gave him carl, instead of stefan
then michelle and nothing happened, there was nothing to steal
and then alison and i gave her a deal (confirming everything she's said about her role aside from the win con which i didn't need to know in order to steal from her btw)

am i missing one? i feel like i'm missing one

I think this was meant for me, so ty.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:03 pm Ted did an excellent job of confusing us,

And, I should add, we did an excellent job of shrugging in confusion and yeeting him by default.

Well done team.

DEAD:
cat - yeeted d1 - post silencer. put in contact with jackofhearts during d2 by hyena's communicator role

dyachei - killed n1 - vengeful. attempted to be put in contact with (nutella?) during d3 by hyena's role, allegedly they were afk

marmot - yeeted d2 - tetris blockhead - long con claims to have played tetris on d2 so allegedly marmot visited LC n1

mac - killed n2 - neighbourizer - targeted nutella at (some point?); nutella claims to have had BTSC with mac during d2 and n3; i think he was 1-shot. put in contact with timsup2nothing during d4 by hyena's role

falcon - killed n3 - negative utility umm vanilla town - presumably dead because ran out of spiders

nanook - killed n3 - mafia goon with no abilities. shot by kyle n3 using tim's vig shot

nutella – killed n3 - swapped with jack by her own ability. was in neighbourhood with mac.

112 – killed d4 – could direct people’s votes

Sloonei – killed d5 – threw baseballs at targets; certain combinations of balls/strikes would kill the target or himself – tutuu claimed to be targeted d2, and Kyle claimed to be targeted d3

MartinGG99 – killed n5 – jailkeeper – n1 falcon. n2 JPIC. n3 nutella. n4 Ted. 1/2 of his action on nutella failed

Tedxtr – killed d6 – negated a person’s vote the next day – tracked targeted Martin, Michelle, and himself during n5 (he had a one shot bus driver from Alison, and Martin was the n5 death – currently it is unclear who he targeted with what). had a bus driver from Alison.

JackofHearts2005 – killed d7 - cop who forced simpsons or pesci quotes – outed sloonei, confirmed TSP and MR

TonyStarkPrime – killed d7 - nurse – targets were mac, skip skip, jack, skip jack


LIVING:
Alison - claims 3p gambit demon. chooses a target at day, they converse during night and accept or reject, at the end of the following day the deal is sealed and on the following night target can use action.
d1 long con tracker effective as of n2
d2 kyle steal-power-for-1-night-of-person-u-voted effective as of n3 (so d4)
d3 falcon protective effective as of n4
d4 ted bus driver
d5 made (offer unknown?)
d6 role stolen and offered to herself by kyle’s actions
she redirects all night actions and votes that were supposed to land on her to her target instead if they accept the deal.

DrWilgy – can offer role cop or btsc to a target – took no action n1-n4; n5 action redirected on himself via Kyle and he became role cop for the next night
On d6 he remained role cop, presumably due to being targeted by MR – he also was able to role cop Michelle and was given what we think was Dizzy’s role instead
On d7 claimed to forget to submit actions on n6

Dyslexicon – ‘superdoc’ who could protect both himself and their target (as per Dr Wilgy’s wording) – claims to have protected nutella during n3 and to know that his action was successful – was able to verify Martin’s claim and was alerted about this in some way

Hyena - a role that lets a dead person be in BTSC with living person. n1 – cat with jack (confirmed by jack). n2 – dyachei with Nutella. n3 – mac with tim (confirmed by tim). tracked by long con during n3 and seen visiting tim and mac. n4 – nutella with long con. n5 – mac with syn.

JustPlayingitcool – can become double voter or lose his vote based on betting how many votes the lead wagon receives - received an Elton John song (invalidated vote) N2

Kylemii – had four tasks to complete, and as part of that submits a name each night and is dinged when he has submitted both a town and mafia name (not notified about 3Ps and roleblocks) – got dinged after n4 (now confirmed to be due to ted) which almost certainly clears long con (n2) and tutuu (n3). Falcon was n1.
Can also steal the power of whoever he’s voting for at EoD and direct it against someone, but isn’t told what the power is. n1 ? n2? n3 stole tim's vig shot and used on nanook. n4 stole Wilgy's power and gave him his own role check. n5 targeted michelle but nothing to steal. n6 targeted alison and gave her a deal of her own.
played baseball on day 3 and hit the ball

Long Con - claims to have played tetris on d2. soft cleared by kyle's mech info. n2 forgot to submit track and it was stolen by marmot anyway. n3 tracked hyena and saw him visiting mac and tim. n4 not sure? n5 saw Ted visiting Martin. n6 forgot to submit.

Made – claims to have earned invulnerability somehow (can’t be chopped)

Master Radishes – claims he can make a person self-target. also won a roleblock by syn's tetris, used on Tim n6.
n1 - nanook to presumably no effect. n2 - 112 to some effect as per 112. n3 - hollowkatt to no effect according to hkat. n4 – Ted – effect unknown (it coincided with Martin’s jailkeep). n5 – DrWilgy – seems to have made Wilgy stay role cop but not stopped his check on Michelle. n6 - DrWilgy again, no effect
Greenchecked by Jack

Michelle - no info? received an elton john song (invalidated vote) n1. was also targeted by Ted n5 but we don't know why.

Syn - backup of the yeet. n1 uset cat's silencer to silence sloonei. n2 used marmot's tetris to play vs MR, scored 0 on purpose. n3 used jack's role on i think nanook? n4 tim (forced vote. n5 nobody (baseball). n6 tim (invalidated vote)

hollowkatt - claims a passive role that has self-defensive properties and that can't be disrupted. MR claims to have disrupted his target on n3. hollowkatt claims that he received no notification.

Timsup2nothin - n3/n6 vig. shot at tutuu on n3 but failed due to kyle stealing it. n6 shot at MR but was blocked by MR’s roleblock.

tutuu – claims to decide ties between wagons. town by kyle's mech info claim. played baseball on day 2 and hit the ball

I've probably missed a bunch of stuff. Soz.

Also it pained me to type everything without capitalisation and proper formatting, but I couldn't be bothered to re-do all of tutuu's hard work.

Okay I need to stop playing and go to bed.

Yes I blocked Tim.

Dizzy my theory is that it was a mod kill on TSP for breaking the Pesci quoting rules, and since he protected Jack last Night it meant Jack should've died too and so did.

I believe Tim about everything now fwiw. But technically we can't fully remove him from the PoE.

Wilgy is my best bet, Made after him.

I don't mind being released from this game via NK. I welcome it in fact.

Yet here we are.

Yep.

Basically this game in a nutshell.

I want Wilgy to be the wolf precisely because he's the only one not very deep.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:52 pm @Master Radishes What do you think about potentially stating who you are going to target before night comes? It does not look like scum has a roleblocker here. If you get killed, your target will still be cleared. If LC is alive, we will have results from him as well.

Yeah I could. I'd probably target whichever of Wilgy or Made we don't yeet.

Tim is not wrong on any of what he says.

I even figured it out on like D4 or whatever but then forgot I had. The tone shift was sudden and therefore deliberate.

Let's tie the wagons and make tutuu decide.

Legacy read:

There are no wolves in Kyle, LC, Tutuu, Dizzy, Syn, JPIC and I will rage if you guys ever chop one of them

Probably no wolves in Michelle, HK, Tim, Hyena (in decreasing order of confidence)

Wolves in Made, Wilgy


Moral of the story: yeet Alison first.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:20 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:17 pm Legacy read:

There are no wolves in Kyle, LC, Tutuu, Dizzy, Syn, JPIC and I will rage if you guys ever chop one of them

Probably no wolves in Michelle, HK, Tim, Hyena (in decreasing order of confidence)

Wolves in Made, Wilgy


Moral of the story: yeet Alison first.

Is it just because I can’t read everything or does neither of Wilgy and Made stuff make any sense what so ever?

That's because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:22 pm Didn’t Made claim he can’t be yeeted too or did I make that up?

Yeah. But I think he said/implied it didn't apply to Night actions.

I'm a liiittle concerned that Made doesn't appear to care enough to prevent us from (mis)chopping him.

Does that mean he's a demoralised wolf? Shouldn't a townie want to avoid being our first proper mischop?

Or does that mean he's town who just can't be bothered , whereas a wolf would be trying to WIM their way out of a yeet?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:27 pm Also 30 min left. Wanted to be cool like lc. Rolecopped Made and he has a redirect power.

Just gonna remind you you can't have done this considering I targeted you.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:34 pm radish redirected wilgy last night so he couldn't have actually targeted made and got a redirection power

@Master Radishes ?

Yeah.

Although yesterday he apparently got a result on rolecopping Michelle and my redirect made him role cop again instead...or something.


Basically nothing Wilgy says makes sense to me mech-wise but on the off chance he's right it's just Made and we'll get him next.

Again.

I made Wilgy self-target.

Twice.

One time he said it only half-worked and instead claimed Michelle had Dizzy's role which makes no sense.

Second time he said it didn't work and got no notification and Made is a redirector despite spending all day proposing lists of other people like JPIC and HK as possibilities too.

On the off chance the above ^ is not a wolf, then we've caught Made and can get him next.

But Wilgy's entire existence in this game makes no sense atm.

Basically you guys do what you want, I'm not moving my vote.

And if I die gl gl.

And he's finding time for silly humour comments instead of fighting for his life.

I dunno. I see a wolf. Sorry if I'm wrong.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:41 pm Also, explain the scum read on Michelle if you want wilgy to throw reasons on why he thinks syn or me are scum.

Wilgy also called HK his main scum read earlier.

He's thrown out three or four names in addition to Made. I never got the impression throughout this phase he had a strong SR on Made over anyone else.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:43 pm @Master Radishes Target Made if Wilgy is town.

@Long Con Traget someone else than Made if Wilgy is town. HK/Hyena or someone.

Does this sound ok?

Sure.

Flash wagon on Alison?

Game is over now or next round imo.

@graveyard chat the doctor will see you now.

Actually if we just nail Wilgywoofer now, Alison doesn't win and we are SUPA TOWN.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:43 pm
MR is chaotic. I can't really explain why MR would target someone trying to self prove via mechs, then do it again, and then further no one seems to care.

It helps that he's doing it because you flat out lie to our faces about your results and then he hits you with a gotcha.

Don't you want to use this to try to make me out to be scum...again?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:47 pm I just don’t want town to sweep hard only to lose to some random 3p mechanics. That would be boring.

Nah. Not gonna happen.


Also we won't technically sweep...Nutella swapped with Jack but we still ended up with a town gone via the daykill.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:49 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:48 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:43 pm
MR is chaotic. I can't really explain why MR would target someone trying to self prove via mechs, then do it again, and then further no one seems to care.

It helps that he's doing it because you flat out lie to our faces about your results and then he hits you with a gotcha.

Don't you want to use this to try to make me out to be scum...again?

You're shite at tetris

I'm talented in other ways.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:51 pm I do really think Syn's and JPIC's 'hunting' of me warrants a thorough evaluation.

HK's behavior the day prior as well.

Nah.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:51 pm agree with dizzy. the one thing I hate most in mafia is when townies lie to me. because I expect scum to lie to me, but townies lying make it super hard to trust

And yet you've played with Tim...how many times?

Okay ngl now I'm suddenly like 'ah crap, maybe he's just town'.

But I can't be bothered to scroll back up to the poll, so

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:52 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:51 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:51 pm I do really think Syn's and JPIC's 'hunting' of me warrants a thorough evaluation.

HK's behavior the day prior as well.

Again, this is a lie.

You're actions are that of a really please scum, or a really foolish town.

JPIC has been like the best townie this entire game.

These could be my last words.

Better make 'em good.

Bananarama.