The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:00 pm I don't suspect Ultra. Bottom line.

I suspect Matahari.

lee me lone. I’m tryna watch Shetland.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:09 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:38 pm Question regarding the no claims rule - does that mean if you're the cop/tracker/whatever you can't state your results?

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:49 pm Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

MM, what was the point of this post? Were you answering someone, because I couldn’t find anything that indicated that.

Crap ton of linki

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:29 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:27 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:09 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:38 pm Question regarding the no claims rule - does that mean if you're the cop/tracker/whatever you can't state your results?

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:49 pm Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

MM, what was the point of this post? Were you answering someone, because I couldn’t find anything that indicated that.

Crap ton of linki

Okay, I can see the Matahari scumread earlier.

What scumread?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:44 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:43 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:29 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:27 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:09 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:38 pm Question regarding the no claims rule - does that mean if you're the cop/tracker/whatever you can't state your results?

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:49 pm Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

MM, what was the point of this post? Were you answering someone, because I couldn’t find anything that indicated that.

Crap ton of linki

Okay, I can see the Matahari scumread earlier.

What scumread?

Epignosis earlier came with "I suspect Matahari" when nobody else even seemed to notice you posting at all.

As I hadn’t even posted in the game, I assumed Epi was being goofy. How can you suspect someone who hasn’t even checked in yet?
[mention]nutella[/mention] I asked about the point of MM’s post because he quoted two posts of Ultras in the order that Ultra originally posted them. After noting that the game was a no claim game, Ultra started working on a way to claim without openly claiming. I wondered whether MM was trying to bring attention to that. I looked back through other posts, but I couldn’t find one that asked MM a question about Ultra, so I asked why he posted that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:57 pm Let's ISO Matahari then.

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 12:12 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:00 pm I don't suspect Ultra. Bottom line.

I suspect Matahari.

lee me lone. I’m tryna watch Shetland.

I can buy this as a timid, forced casual entry by mafia.

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:27 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:09 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:38 pm Question regarding the no claims rule - does that mean if you're the cop/tracker/whatever you can't state your results?

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:49 pm Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

MM, what was the point of this post? Were you answering someone, because I couldn’t find anything that indicated that.

Crap ton of linki

This question exists. It is over a half hour old. I believe MafiaMenace replied? I dunno, the thread is moving at lightspeed. The point is I'm not sure what the point of this post is.

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:43 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:29 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:27 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:09 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:38 pm Question regarding the no claims rule - does that mean if you're the cop/tracker/whatever you can't state your results?

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:49 pm Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

MM, what was the point of this post? Were you answering someone, because I couldn’t find anything that indicated that.

Crap ton of linki

Okay, I can see the Matahari scumread earlier.

What scumread?

Then this. That middle post looks like the only attempt on Matahari's part to engaged in gameplay, and it's the bare minimum.

@Matahari do you have any first impressions on players so far? What's your typical approach to a game? Which players are you already familiar with here?

I don’t have any solid impressions on players so far. I don’t know a few of the players at all, and I know most players who are old school here. My typical approach is to read along, try to form opinions about how people interact with each other, ask questions if I don’t understand what people are trying to say, and I rarely post a ton. It usually take two to three days in old school games before I get solid feels on a player.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:59 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:56 pm

Epignosis earlier came with "I suspect Matahari" when nobody else even seemed to notice you posting at all.

As I hadn’t even posted in the game, I assumed Epi was being goofy. How can you suspect someone who hasn’t even checked in yet?
@nutella I asked about the point of MM’s post because he quoted two posts of Ultras in the order that Ultra originally posted them. After noting that the game was a no claim game, Ultra started working on a way to claim without openly claiming. I wondered whether MM was trying to bring attention to that. I looked back through other posts, but I couldn’t find one that asked MM a question about Ultra, so I asked why he posted that.

I'm not looking for an explanation for why you quoted that post. I'm wondering why you haven't felt the need to comment on *any* other thread content so far.
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Because I have understood, or thought I understood, the reason for other posts that have been posted. If I have a question, I ask. If I have something helpful to say, I will. But so far, I’m in reading mode.

[mention]DFaraday[/mention] I like the set-up you have now, because my Sunday night will be busy too. But I’ll make do with whatever everyone decides.

I don’t understand why people say the cult is anti town. I pm’d the host to find out how the cult works, and I recommend everyone else do that too, if you are in doubt. It doesn’t seem to hurt the town at all. I hope Felicity goes after a killer.
Maybe someone can explain what is meant by Anti town, when the cult can win with the town.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:05 am

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:56 am I don’t understand why people say the cult is anti town. I pm’d the host to find out how the cult works, and I recommend everyone else do that too, if you are in doubt. It doesn’t seem to hurt the town at all. I hope Felicity goes after a killer.
Maybe someone can explain what is meant by Anti town, when the cult can win with the town.

Cult winning with town? Inconceivable.

PM the host and ask. That’s what I understood from the answer he gave me.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:51 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:13 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:35 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:34 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:00 pm I don't suspect Ultra. Bottom line.

I suspect Matahari.

Eh?

Do you...object to me suspecting Matahari?

Or do you object to me not suspecting Ultra?

No I'm wondering why you brought up Matahari. I'm not objecting, just kind of perplexed and wanting elaboration.

Are you concerned for your scum buddy?

bro.... mata is my top suspect as you will find out when you catch up i guess

I don’t know why I’m your top suspect. Could you fill me in?

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] just to be clear, I didn’t go after MM for his post about whatever you said. He quoted a couple posts and he didn’t say anything about them. I wanted to know why he quoted them. He answered me, so that was all.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:07 am

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:03 am @Sloonei just to be clear, I didn’t go after MM for his post about whatever you said. He quoted a couple posts and he didn’t say anything about them. I wanted to know why he quoted them. He answered me, so that was all.

What did you think of his response?

I accepted it, wasn’t much to think about. He said someone had asked a question about Ultra, so he posted some quotes as an answer. That explained it.

[mention]nutella[/mention] ok thank you. There is no real way for me to respond to that, except repeating. As far as contributing suspicions, I’m just not ready to make judgements on people yet. I will be, though. Just takes me a bit longer.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:19 am

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:09 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:07 am

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:03 am @Sloonei just to be clear, I didn’t go after MM for his post about whatever you said. He quoted a couple posts and he didn’t say anything about them. I wanted to know why he quoted them. He answered me, so that was all.

What did you think of his response?

I accepted it, wasn’t much to think about. He said someone had asked a question about Ultra, so he posted some quotes as an answer. That explained it.

Is he town or mafia?

I don’t have a clue what he is. I didn’t feel all that great about him earlier, but it’s way too soon for me to label anyone. What is your opinion of him, or do you have one yet?

Linki- I will try to work on a list tomorrow through the day, of posts and people that have caught my attention in a pingy way.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] I don’t even remember, because there have been so many posts to keep up with. If someone posts something that feels ‘off’, I keep reading. That way I can see who responds to them, and whether any of the responses make me feel like ‘oh, ok. That makes sense’ or ‘ok, possible teammate’. I keep scribble notes, then at some point, I get my notes in order, and try to make some deductions. That is what I’m going to try to work on tomorrow afternoon, go back and reread a few people. I think Creature said something off as well, but I can’t remember specifics yet.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:54 am So like are we as a community now down on GTH reads because the mafia team used it to their advantage one time? That's poop. Utter poop.

a GTH on day 0 seems pointless. There are players who have made 1 or 2 posts. How is anyone supposed to make a hardcore decision so early in the game?

I’m going to be in and out this afternoon, but I’ll be making a few posts throughout the day. I now have something to say.

I’m going to start with talking about the old school set-up. No, we can’t claim, we can’t info dump. But we can do the use-to-be obligatory town statement.

There are no visible lie detectors in the roles, but we do have Harrison. He has a secret, which could be a lie detector. He also sends out inventions to players, maybe one of the inventions is a polygraph machine. Only Harrison would know this for certain, but I’m not going to overlook the possibility. So this is my townie statement. I am town.

People are not obligated to do this. But since we goin old school here, I thought maybe some of the players who haven’t played a game like this, might be interested in knowing it used to be a thing.

I’m leaving for awhile, but when I get back, I’ll discuss a few pings.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]
Why do you think Nutella is good?
Is Cooler bad because he would be posting if he was good?
Is Sloonei good because he is always pushy when town? Is he different when bad?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:34 pm Matahari, if you want me to quote you, please don't use the mention feature- it messes with my browser. I know you don't know that though. I do read everything and will respond.

Why do you think Nutella is good?

No reason to think she's bad. I'm not persuaded by Sloonei's thing. It looks good, but it isn't convincing.

Is Cooler bad because he would be posting if he was good?

I don't know Cooler from Adam. Why would him posting more make him good? What a strange question to ask.

Is Sloonei good because he is always pushy when town? Is he different when bad?

Sloonei being a civilian has nothing to do with pushiness. Again, this is a strange question.

sorry about your browser!

You have Cooler down as bad in your list. But last I looked, he only had one post. So I’m not sure why you find him bad.

About Sloonei- I thought you said something earlier about his level of play, but I might be thinking of someone else.

It’s hard for me to imagine making lists so early. I tried to make one today, but after rereading the game, and some ISOs, I don’t feel like I have much of an opinion on anyone. I can’t clear anyone, but there are a few that I don’t feel great about.

Dragomir, seems like he changes his mind too easily and it might not be a bad thing (like being blendy and trying to stay on people’s good side) but it still caught my attention.

Sloonei, I would like to trust him but all the pushing for info from people, the gth on day 0, seems tailor made for helping mafia. Talk is great, it helps to be able to look back at it later in the game, and that helps town. But I’ve never seen anyone keep at it like Sloonei.

Nutella, is not playing the same as the last two games I played with her. She was town in those games, and she seems a lot less pulled together so far.

I can’t say that any of them would get a vote from me. Not yet. Basically, I’m still observing people.

Tons of linki

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:31 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:21 pm It’s hard for me to imagine making lists so early. I tried to make one today, but after rereading the game, and some ISOs, I don’t feel like I have much of an opinion on anyone. I can’t clear anyone, but there are a few that I don’t feel great about.

Dragomir, seems like he changes his mind too easily and it might not be a bad thing (like being blendy and trying to stay on people’s good side) but it still caught my attention.

Sloonei, I would like to trust him but all the pushing for info from people, the gth on day 0, seems tailor made for helping mafia. Talk is great, it helps to be able to look back at it later in the game, and that helps town. But I’ve never seen anyone keep at it like Sloonei.

Nutella, is not playing the same as the last two games I played with her. She was town in those games, and she seems a lot less pulled together so far.

I can’t say that any of them would get a vote from me. Not yet. Basically, I’m still observing people.

Tons of linki

Talk to me some more about nutella. What specifically seems different? Can you point to any posts in particular that stand out to you?

In the last two games, Nutella had confidence. The kind that seems like normal Nutella, who will say anything, whether you like it or not. Also, the kind of confidence that only a civ has. For reference, Gossip Girl and Steely Dan mafia

I’m not seeing it here. She’s not bold, rude, in your face, or any of the normal Nutella. I can’t fault her for not picking people’s posts apart and challenging them, because really, the posting hasn’t been especially suspicious, but I think she would be challenging more if she were civ. She seems like she’s holding back. That’s the best way I can explain it. That is going by old skool ‘feels’ and probably not helpful to newer mafia players.
I wouldn’t swear I’m right, but it’s enough that she’s on my watchlist.

I’m going to make a quick post and may be scarce until after GoT tonight.
happy birthday Juliet’s, and I’m sorry for your troubles

I saw a glimpse of confident Nutella, so maybe I’m concentrating too hard on players I’m familiar with, instead of trying to get a grip on players I don’t know. I’ll backburner her for now.

The TMI comments mentioned above are something I will reread tonight. I have forgotten much of it, but it occurred to me that because of certain roles in this game, there is a possibility of TMI. But I don’t know the context of the tmi posts until I get time to read later.

So happy/sad GoT day! I’ll try to peek in but cooking and company....

Catching up in this game is really hard. Trying to suss out genuine sounding town reads is also really hard, when you’re not familiar with a lot of players.

The case on Lux has me baffled. Her comments, that may have been slips or may have been mistakes, I understand. Her defense did not consist of trying to make cases or point fingers at others, which seems more like an early game civ behavior to me. If anyone thinks I’m looking at this wrong, by all means, correct me.

I’m going back to iso some others then I’ll post again.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 4:21 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 4:18 pm Catching up in this game is really hard. Trying to suss out genuine sounding town reads is also really hard, when you’re not familiar with a lot of players.

The case on Lux has me baffled. Her comments, that may have been slips or may have been mistakes, I understand. Her defense did not consist of trying to make cases or point fingers at others, which seems more like an early game civ behavior to me. If anyone thinks I’m looking at this wrong, by all means, correct me.

I’m going back to iso some others then I’ll post again.

Talk to me about that middle paragraph. What exactly did Lux do, and why is “not pointing fingers” a good look?

She sounded like someone who wanted to save herself, but didn’t have any real suspicions to try and build a case on someone.
Yes, I know that could have been laziness. But I don’t know her or what she is like as a player.
That was just my first impression on reading through her weak defense. Do you see it differently? What other reasons would she have for not trying to bring up suspicions of others that might save her?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 4:29 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 4:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 4:21 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 4:18 pm Catching up in this game is really hard. Trying to suss out genuine sounding town reads is also really hard, when you’re not familiar with a lot of players.

The case on Lux has me baffled. Her comments, that may have been slips or may have been mistakes, I understand. Her defense did not consist of trying to make cases or point fingers at others, which seems more like an early game civ behavior to me. If anyone thinks I’m looking at this wrong, by all means, correct me.

I’m going back to iso some others then I’ll post again.

Talk to me about that middle paragraph. What exactly did Lux do, and why is “not pointing fingers” a good look?

She sounded like someone who wanted to save herself, but didn’t have any real suspicions to try and build a case on someone.
Yes, I know that could have been laziness. But I don’t know her or what she is like as a player.
That was just my first impression on reading through her weak defense. Do you see it differently? What other reasons would she have for not trying to bring up suspicions of others that might save her?

Would she have looked worse for trying to build a suspicion out of any component of her self-defense?

Are you asking me if she would have looked worse if she ‘no you’d’? That is possible, but not if she backed up her no u with a decent reason. Basically, make a post listing reasons why she thinks someone could be bad, so other people could decide whether it sounded like legit scumhunting or not.
The only reasons I can see are
she’s a clueless civ
She’s a lazy civ/Indi/maf who isn’t invested in the game
Or she’s is a scared Indi/maf.

Again, I don’t know her style, or meta, whatever it’s being called now. Just on face value, one read through, I thought possible town. Please give me your view, does her behavior in defensegate seem evil?

Linki- ok maybe she’s making a case now. That will give me more to go on.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 4:49 pm I only have an hour of free time between work and my class (now) so instead of reading i can iso and make a case sure

I’m not demanding a case lol. I just wondered why you didn’t do one, or if you had any suspicions worth trying to make a case out of.

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:53 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:49 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:40 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:38 pm Question regarding the no claims rule - does that mean if you're the cop/tracker/whatever you can't state your results?

Indeed. No infodumping at all. But there are still ways to use those types of roles.

It's still a handicap though

Going to be rough pulling off a town victory here unless the scum factions completely cannibalize each other

but there's also two different recruiters

so

fek

It’s a challenge for sure. All part of the balance. This is a semi-regular rule on the Syndicate.

It just means we need to put more energy into public scum hunting. So let’s do that. What can you tell us about yourself, Ultra? What’s your mafia experience? What’s your Day 1 approach?

What a silly question, it's Day 0

But to answer - my approach as town is to take a very active role

What does “taking an active role” entail?

It's hard to characterize my own play, but I scum hunt, I try to influence the game's direction, I talk with other players.

And sometimes

I flex

I’m not seeing any of this town behavior from you.

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 5:37 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 5:29 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:53 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:49 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:43 pm

It's still a handicap though

Going to be rough pulling off a town victory here unless the scum factions completely cannibalize each other

but there's also two different recruiters

so

fek

It’s a challenge for sure. All part of the balance. This is a semi-regular rule on the Syndicate.

It just means we need to put more energy into public scum hunting. So let’s do that. What can you tell us about yourself, Ultra? What’s your mafia experience? What’s your Day 1 approach?

What a silly question, it's Day 0

But to answer - my approach as town is to take a very active role

What does “taking an active role” entail?

It's hard to characterize my own play, but I scum hunt, I try to influence the game's direction, I talk with other players.

And sometimes

I flex

I’m not seeing any of this town behavior from you.

What do you think of that

I’m just isoing you. One page left. I can’t grant you town status automatically because you spoke up a lot about mechanics or whatever. I was pinged by your insistence that the rogue leader was a worse threat than an SK or a maf. You dropped it later though so that crossed out that ping. But posting a lot can still be someone bad, just with balls. You said that yourself, in other words, in one of your posts with someone else. Still, so far, I’m not seeing any reason to say you’re bad, so you’re neutral, whatever you young people call it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 6:25 pm “Why Marahari?”

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 4:18 pm Catching up in this game is really hard. Trying to suss out genuine sounding town reads is also really hard, when you’re not familiar with a lot of players.

The case on Lux has me baffled. Her comments, that may have been slips or may have been mistakes, I understand. Her defense did not consist of trying to make cases or point fingers at others, which seems more like an early game civ behavior to me. If anyone thinks I’m looking at this wrong, by all means, correct me.

I’m going back to iso some others then I’ll post again.

This defense of Lux reads awkward and forced to me. I grilled her over it because “she just defended herself and didn’t point fingers at anyone” strikes me as a strange, somewhat counterintuitive read. It also stands out by virtue of its existence. Matahari defended Luxurious individually. I could see basis for a teammate pairing here.

You see things in a very strange way, it seems to me. That was not a defense of Lux. That was a “if you’re town, this might be your last chance to try and prove it” kind of post, meaning I don’t want to vote for a civ.
There is only one player I have solidly as town. That is Sabie. Juliets is close. Everyone else is neutral to pingy.

That said, I was wary of Dragomir earlier in the game, but I reversed my opinion of him somewhat. He is also just neutral now.
More than likely, my vote will go on Lux, because I think she could have tried harder to defend and do something town related than she did.
But you do things your way and I’ll do things my way.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 6:49 pm @Matahari I completely don't understand your stance on lux then. It sounded to me like you were townreading her in that post but maybe I read it wrong.

I wasn’t town reading her, but I was pointing out that her weak defense could have been that of a civ who doesn’t know who else could be bad, so she wasn’t trying to build a case against anyone else. Defending yourself is only part of trying to save yourself. It also helps to point out your suspicions of other players and why they should be looked at, as well. Because it might save you.
So, to my way of thinking, why didn’t she suspect others? Why wasn’t she trying to bring up anyone else that she thought was bad. The only answer I have for that is the ones I listed before. Possibly town and had no real suspicion on anyone. Or possibly bad, and trying not to slip again. I posted about it, hoped for some agrees or disagrees.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:12 pm Similarly, Matahari’s response where she singled out Luxurious to offer a weird pseduo-defense which she later claimed was not a defense is many shades of confusing to me. I didn’t like the read she presented, and I didn’t like that she later denounced it as a defense without really explaining what the read itself.

You aren’t as good a judge of civvieness as I hoped you’d be. I can’t accept your other comments about people you think are bad, because I know you’re wrong about me. Either way, I would not place a vote on you today. I get it and I’m sure everyone else gets it too.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:04 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:12 pm Similarly, Matahari’s response where she singled out Luxurious to offer a weird pseduo-defense which she later claimed was not a defense is many shades of confusing to me. I didn’t like the read she presented, and I didn’t like that she later denounced it as a defense without really explaining what the read itself.

You aren’t as good a judge of civvieness as I hoped you’d be. I can’t accept your other comments about people you think are bad, because I know you’re wrong about me. Either way, I would not place a vote on you today. I get it and I’m sure everyone else gets it too.

Sloonei could be diamond-edge accurate about everything else he's said, and still wrong about you. What is this, some sort of deviant Gambler's Fallacy?

I don’t know what that is, but I’ll go look it up on mafiascum wiki.
I have no trust for Sloonei’s methods. I find his massive amount of posts distracting.
The entire game he has questioned people over and over, and he has decided I’m bad. Well ok. I can’t exactly trust in his prowess as a scum hunter now because he’s wrong.

[VOTE: Lux] aubergine I’m still not seeing a defense here.
Too many linki

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:55 pm Kinda funny i quoted the post mata said she thought i was towny for not doing a defense

She assures me I dont need one

Scum reads me for not making one

That’s twisting what I said. Do you have any hard suspicions? There’s still time. Do you suspect anyone?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:57 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:53 pm [VOTE: Lux] aubergine I’m still not seeing a defense here.
Too many linki

Saving Nutella I see. Or maybe Cooler? Might even be both.

Can you explain me your thought process from being baffled at the suspicion against Luxy but now voting her cause no defense(even though she hasn't been put in a position where she needs to defend herself again).

I think you just went from town reading Luxy for town cred to trying to save your buddy.

I said earlier today that I would probably vote Lux. But I tried to give her time to defend herself or point out other suspects.
She hasn’t.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:02 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 6:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 6:25 pm “Why Marahari?”

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 4:18 pm Catching up in this game is really hard. Trying to suss out genuine sounding town reads is also really hard, when you’re not familiar with a lot of players.

The case on Lux has me baffled. Her comments, that may have been slips or may have been mistakes, I understand. Her defense did not consist of trying to make cases or point fingers at others, which seems more like an early game civ behavior to me. If anyone thinks I’m looking at this wrong, by all means, correct me.

I’m going back to iso some others then I’ll post again.

This defense of Lux reads awkward and forced to me. I grilled her over it because “she just defended herself and didn’t point fingers at anyone” strikes me as a strange, somewhat counterintuitive read. It also stands out by virtue of its existence. Matahari defended Luxurious individually. I could see basis for a teammate pairing here.

You see things in a very strange way, it seems to me. That was not a defense of Lux. That was a “if you’re town, this might be your last chance to try and prove it” kind of post, meaning I don’t want to vote for a civ.
There is only one player I have solidly as town. That is Sabie. Juliets is close. Everyone else is neutral to pingy.

That said, I was wary of Dragomir earlier in the game, but I reversed my opinion of him somewhat. He is also just neutral now.
More than likely, my vote will go on Lux, because I think she could have tried harder to defend and do something town related than she did.
But you do things your way and I’ll do things my way.

I do not understand the thought process behind the enlarged.

I said several times that her weak defense might be because she is town. Might. I said that I would vote her if I didn’t see some sign of a defense. Maybe I’m just not clear enough, but I’ve tried to clear it up throughout the day. I’m too tired for this and getting frustrated over it. I’m stepping away.

I moved my vote to Cooler as a self pres. I had four votes, Cooler had 4, and Lux had 3 or 4.
Sloonei- okay, you get it right sometimes. But you’re wrong about me.
Epig- I hope you change your mind.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 1:25 am

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 1:24 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:09 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:29 am I moved my vote to Cooler as a self pres. I had four votes, Cooler had 4, and Lux had 3 or 4.
Sloonei- okay, you get it right sometimes. But you’re wrong about me.
Epig- I hope you change your mind.

Why did you choose cooler over lux?

Her vote was already on me Slooney

While I’m also curious as to the answer it’s like

She was on me

The votes were 4-4-4-4

She moved off me and it became like 5-4-3-4

So my real concern is why not nutella

When I moved my vote to Cooler, Nutella only had 2 or 3 votes. Cooler was the only one that would have saved me.

Guys, I have been reading along and getting an education tonight. Yes, I’ve learned that things have changed a lot.
The school I come from hates to put a vote on townies, and it’s very hard to intuit people early in a game. I had a small ping on Lux because of a possible slip. When other people started taking that slip seriously, I Tried to reread Lux to make sure she was the best way to go.
She wasn’t defending herself strongly. She wasn’t trying to make cases on anyone. I asked myself why. My answer was an either/or. She was a scared mafia, or she was a clueless civ. I put my thoughts in the thread, hoping for some input. People instead pounced on it. I tried to clear it up, I thought using words like maybe and possible, would have been read, but apparently those words didn’t register. I made it clear enough that she was a ping, but I wanted to feel more sure.

I can’t make it any clearer because new mafia apparently goes by a mafia book of rules, and putting your thoughts in the thread must be frowned upon.
If this makes me bad, then just lynch me for heavens sakes. I’d rather be lynched than nk’d

And yes, my yuck post was pure frustration. I stayed in the thread after that post and watched the scoreboard. At two minutes before eod, Cooler and myself were the only ones with four votes. I switched, and then took a break from the thread. I have suspicions of a few players but I’ll wait until tomorrow to post about them. Also lots of linki will read later.

Bad:
Nutella
Epig

Likely bad:
Daisy
DDL

I may add to this list before day ends, still isoing.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Nutella is nervous. She’s flitting between suspects too much and practically seeking approval. Not seeing town Nutella here

Epig leads. When he isn’t town, his leading goes everywhere. He either puts too many scenarios in the thread, or he fixates, or both.

Daisy is too absent for my comfort. I know she’s busy, but this is unlike her.
DDL played a part in the lynchfest yesterday that seemed tailor made for a team. The people who switched their votes to me at the last minute were just waiting on him, or that’s how it seemed to me. Considering he’s been so busy, it’s just miraculous he was there at just the right moment, with just the right suggestion. Too miraculous.

No, I can’t give examples of his leading being misguided, because any of his scenarios could be true. I’m saying there are too many, and they lead nowhere. Other than changing a subject at hand, there is no purpose behind many of his posts.

I’m not sure what your question means about DDL. Could you reword that? Specifically the ‘it had been posted for two hours’ part.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 3:45 pm Also, none of DDL’s reads look at all calculated or carefully plotted to me. He seems to just be hurling thoughts into the thread as they come to him. That’s a good thing.

I’ll reread him, then.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 5:14 pm Spirityos contributions so far have been short random posts without giving any thoughts or reads and then randomly comes in and is like sabie is bad with no explanation. He did that to me before and eventually everyone realized he was wrong and that's what's happening again. Sighhhhh and I was just mislynched in another game again.
I can see where the suspicion of Mata and nutella comes from. Nutella is always kinda iffy and from what I've seen of Mata so far I'm not convinced they're town.

Sabie, you said Sprityo has done this before. How often? Does he do this a lot, like it’s his trademark? Because I’m not seeing anyone yet who is complaining of that from Sprityo, but I haven’t finished catching up yet.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 2:14 pm I’ve kept up with most of the action today. There hasn’t been much. I still feel best about a Matahari lynch. I continue to feel iffy about Lux. The handful of quiet people could make themselves easier to read by posting more, as always. I maintain a healthy skepticism of Epi that I promise to explain at some point. Maybe later today. I don’t think I’d push for his lynch today and would still lean town on him as of this moment.

I still don’t aee anyone acknowledging that Creature is in this game and that bothers me. Dude’s got loads of 1-sentence posts and unsubstantiated reads.

You feel iffy about Lux. Feeling iffy about Lux is why you suspect me.
I’m probably going to move my vote over to Sabie, when I get home. Maybe someone will reply to my question about Sprityo by then, but if not, then I’ll switch. I still suspect Nutella, but I’m going with a hunch today.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 6:29 pm Okay just caught up and read what happened today. To respond to the questions people asked about my comments on spirityo. There was a game called world asunder. In that game spirityo came outta nowhere accusing me and we went back and forth arguing about the fact that he was wrong and it was very frustrating. I was proven right by the end of it. It was dumb.
I don't think I ever said I was town reading spirityo I thought hes been kinda sketchy this game so far with the way he just kinda says a bunch of random stuff doesn't care about reading then is like hey let's vote for sabie.
I'm not sure why jack is following spirityos vote other than he asked him to. Ultra also was quick to join in on that but then switched.

If you were reading the first part of the game, it might answer your question about Ultra.
I think a vote on you would ultimately net two baddies.

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Luxurious wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 9:47 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 6:34 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 6:29 pm Okay just caught up and read what happened today. To respond to the questions people asked about my comments on spirityo. There was a game called world asunder. In that game spirityo came outta nowhere accusing me and we went back and forth arguing about the fact that he was wrong and it was very frustrating. I was proven right by the end of it. It was dumb.
I don't think I ever said I was town reading spirityo I thought hes been kinda sketchy this game so far with the way he just kinda says a bunch of random stuff doesn't care about reading then is like hey let's vote for sabie.
I'm not sure why jack is following spirityos vote other than he asked him to. Ultra also was quick to join in on that but then switched.

If you were reading the first part of the game, it might answer your question about Ultra.
I think a vote on you would ultimately net two baddies.

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

What question about ultra there’s no question in here

Sorry, I missed your question. There’s no question mark, but Sabie said she wonders why Jack and Ultra followed Sprityo. The answer is in the early part of the game thread. But, I’m guessing she wasn’t really wondering.