The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:19 pm Reserved for day 0 flavor

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:45 pm that said i was flattered by nanook calling me clear until d3 or whatever it was he said so im daypassing him probs

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:49 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:48 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:45 pm that said i was flattered by nanook calling me clear until d3 or whatever it was he said so im daypassing him probs

Clear until f3!

aight; deal; likewise

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:51 pm Nanook I'm probably going to have trouble reading because of how he plays. I think and hope he'll do more elaborating on his reads today.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:00 am inb4 wrong

also nanook gets pass till d3 and is probably town regardless

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:04 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:59 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:51 pm Nanook I'm probably going to have trouble reading because of how he plays. I think and hope he'll do more elaborating on his reads today.

You're gonna be pretty disappointed!

hot take my dude you have been playing up your nanookness to such a cartoonish extent that i think it's a facade

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:08 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:04 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:59 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:51 pm Nanook I'm probably going to have trouble reading because of how he plays. I think and hope he'll do more elaborating on his reads today.

You're gonna be pretty disappointed!

hot take my dude you have been playing up your nanookness to such a cartoonish extent that i think it's a facade

I don't even know what this means

What is my nanookness???

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:01 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:06 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:08 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:04 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:59 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:51 pm Nanook I'm probably going to have trouble reading because of how he plays. I think and hope he'll do more elaborating on his reads today.

You're gonna be pretty disappointed!

hot take my dude you have been playing up your nanookness to such a cartoonish extent that i think it's a facade

I don't even know what this means

What is my nanookness???

@nutella still waiting for an explanation what this even means

should be obvious tbh since youve only done one thing in your posts this game and thats what im referring to

you're playing up your character of not doing shit d1 and yes you have done so a fair bit in recent town games but your tone is different here and so i have a gut read that you're faking/emphasizing it a bit unnaturally

idk it's not a strong read i'm just concerned that you don't feel quite right

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:51 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:20 am I also DO do shit D1, I explicitly believe in catching mafia D1, and, most importantly, I've been doing shit on D1 this game

I only remember some vague reads that were a while ago now. Have those changed? Are there new reads? Help me read you.

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Amy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:00 am actually yeah huh nutella never actually makes a post about my slot between saying she buys my defense and dropping me in the PoE. talk to me about myself nut. where am i at for you

also nutella/iaafr never w/w ever, if nutella's a wolf she absolutely TMI'd him v

11/60 remembering to include these is hard but remembering my post total without them is going to be harder

Not going to quote all your posts before here are my fast thoughts before I go to work.

The reaction vote and subsequent analysis is good. It's a genuine play and I think the your conclusions are ostensibly towny. That said, you may be looking too far into what is actually there, but I can't condemn you on that.

Now the reads list: it feels super convenient that your CW ends up as top scum. But I do share suspicions with the quote above, as much as it could easily be a twtbw thing.

Finally the intuition-read: I can't articulate why exactly right - or I'm too lazy too - but almost your entire game feels very crafted and agenda-y, as opposed to something naturally flowing. That's why I'm still on your wagon.

The villager appears to pour itself down, and indeed its villageryness pours in all direction, but the stream does not run out. This pouring is linear extension: that is why its beams are called rays, because they radiate in extended lines

OK I'll stop with the dumb quotes.


Also, the nutella wagon is feeling rather "easy". Like until MR, there was no actual resistance and basically everyone was like "yup nute is scummy". Maybe her teammates are bussers and low-posters but idk.


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Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:46 am

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:10 am MR:
I'm town by post count...in a game where we're limited to 30 per 24 hours basically?

No. Are you trying to slander my wolf game indirectly? lol

Uh, yeah, you post less as a wolf. Sorry to burst that bubble for you. Here, you’re post-capping yourself, and perhaps more specifically your posts are all game-related, which is more what I meant anyway. You’re engaged. I know you hate when I call you the t-word because you never trust me in return, but too bad. Even your handling of me here fits with your town meta.

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:10 am Your PoE is also too easy for an MR PoE tbh

What is this, CDC?

Ah feck off. You haven't even seen me wolf in a while and the difference is marginal in terms of actual post count. Like it would be something like 90% of my town posting rate and that's not something that would show up in a 60 post-per-phase capped game.

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:23 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:17 am Idk I think 2 very confident and one semi-confident read is pretty good for where we are/I am.

Well, I assumed the rabbit read was mostly you meming or something. What do you see so far from him that is worthy of that confidence?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:52 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:20 am I also DO do shit D1, I explicitly believe in catching mafia D1, and, most importantly, I've been doing shit on D1 this game

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:25 am Help I’m being M I S R E P R E S E N T E D

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dude chill

yeah you've given reads. I guess more what I'm trying to say is your tone feels fabricated to me. I know that's not a productive thing to defend against but it's there in the back of my head. I said I'm daypassing you anyway, don't get your boxer briefs in a knot.

Amy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:52 am Actually, a quick note about rabbit.

I'm not 100% sure how good I am at reading rabbit. Last game I played with him (excluding Anni, which isn't a game) I townread him very early, but largely because I had a very strong PR read on him - one which turned out to be wrong. So I may just be shit at reading him.

That said, I was hoping that his seeming inability to get his volume under control would be an indicator that I'd be able to find him obvtown and move on with my life, but I haven't. I have Concerns.

In essence, I think his reads are stickier than he'd care to admit. I think v!rabbit maybe doesn't bother to explain in so much detail why he swapped from me to nutella to me in the span of 2 minutes. And I'm concerned about the fact that he apparently feels strong enough about my wolfiness that he's willing to start making preflip associatives about it.

I also know for a fact that rabbit hates D1 wallcases, because I made an (incorrect) one in said last game we played together and he didn't let me hear the end of it. It's entirely possible that this is just his way of getting payback, but it still concerns me.

I don't wanna go here today, though. Rabbit is a slot that gets easier and easier to read as the game goes on. We check in around D3 or D4, see if there are still Concerns, and then dunk his ass if the answer is yes. Otherwise he hard clears himself and we all move on with our lives.

good post. the long post about the tim reaction test thingy was p good too. amy can be v for now


inb4 rabbit calls this w/w

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:02 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:17 pm

pausing in my catchup because lmao

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:17 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:43 am Three town (IAAFR tutuu radishes) down, too many more to go

wow ok so you are wolfing

seriously nanook, there is no way you have a town read on radishes for what he posted up to here

just... no

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:29 pm just finished page 4

tutuu seems like obvious town!tutuu to me. she’s just overflowing with towniness in the same way as space invaders

iaafr idk yet even though he posted a fair bit. same with tim

benson i wanna say is town. alison i also wanna say is town even though she is a scary wolf. she seems really towny to me so far though

nanook is actually giving me really wolfy vibes off his first two posts

that’s all that sticks out atm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:34 pm Okay, just read through the Hally catchup. I don't see the shining town spark in her like I usually do when she's town. Hallyrus is probably just wolf. Sorry Hally.

Also nanook, agreeing with someone's reads doesn't mean you have to townread them. Like you can think it's TMI. Or you can agree with the reads but think the way they got there is made up.

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:35 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:23 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:17 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:43 am Three town (IAAFR tutuu radishes) down, too many more to go

wow ok so you are wolfing

seriously nanook, there is no way you have a town read on radishes for what he posted up to here

just... no

The Captain stuff was townie idk what to tell you

You literally just saw me townreading people this fast, now you’re scumreading me for...townreading people too fast. Wut.

i dont really think it was towny but ok

it’s also just the vibe of your posts seems fake to me. but i’ve only seen like two of them so that may change. tbdddd

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:30 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:29 pm just finished page 4

tutuu seems like obvious town!tutuu to me. she’s just overflowing with towniness in the same way as space invaders

iaafr idk yet even though he posted a fair bit. same with tim

benson i wanna say is town. alison i also wanna say is town even though she is a scary wolf. she seems really towny to me so far though

nanook is actually giving me really wolfy vibes off his first two posts

that’s all that sticks out atm

Omg you agree with 2/3 of my reads then scumread what are you even doing rn

no? i agree with your tutuu read so far, that’s all! but you don’t get points for that because tutuu is so obvious

back to reading

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:53 pm I get the sense Nanook is always around but only chooses to post when someone has said something negative about him.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:13 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME can you explain why you TR radish?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:42 pm @Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

I'm kinda torn because at the time Nutella was top wagon and here we are with Hally top wagon...and both look around and say "hey how about Nanook?" But it isn't like they are making a big reach to suss Nanook I don't think. His reaction isn't really jiving to me, but I don't know him.

@nutella is this as familiar as I'm thinking it looks?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:28 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:24 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:42 pm @Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

I'm kinda torn because at the time Nutella was top wagon and here we are with Hally top wagon...and both look around and say "hey how about Nanook?" But it isn't like they are making a big reach to suss Nanook I don't think. His reaction isn't really jiving to me, but I don't know him.

@nutella is this as familiar as I'm thinking it looks?

Fwiw I'm always slightly offended/bewildered at being scumread

This is not a good combination with somewhat scummy thread presence. You give a smattering of very early (meaning of dubious quality) reads and then mostly peace out until someone calls you on having done very little as if they are wrong? What's the thinking behind this?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:38 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:34 am Basically I'm saying you should take my three reads seriously, and almost everything else I say as at least partially tongue in cheek.

Well, since I agree solidly with two out of three we could say that I am "taking them seriously." We can even say that I believe shooting two out of three on having your snap reads turn out consensus agreeable is a pretty good record. I just don't see it as laurels meriting being rested on. Two out of three snap read villagers turning out good isn't even rand.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:48 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:40 amI'm gonna start using smileys now or trying to cause I forget sometimes that people who aren't used to me and nutella can't usually recognize when I'm not being entirely serious

I'm gonna start using smileys now, or trying to, cause I forget sometimes that people who aren't used to [me and nutella] can't usually recognize when I'm not being entirely serious

I'm gonna start using smileys now, or trying to, cause I forget sometimes that people who aren't used to me, and nutella can't usually recognize when I'm not being entirely serious

I don't totally know how to read this sentence.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:00 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:40 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:38 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:34 am Basically I'm saying you should take my three reads seriously, and almost everything else I say as at least partially tongue in cheek.

Well, since I agree solidly with two out of three we could say that I am "taking them seriously." We can even say that I believe shooting two out of three on having your snap reads turn out consensus agreeable is a pretty good record. I just don't see it as laurels meriting being rested on. Two out of three snap read villagers turning out good isn't even rand.

I believe it's 3/3 though, which is significantly above rand!

I'm gonna start using smileys now or trying to cause I forget sometimes that people who aren't used to me and nutella can't usually recognize when I'm not being entirely serious

I'll let you know when I have more reads, those are the three I have high confidence in.

my dude I can tell when you're jokey or whatever cause you usually are, my read of you is not due to not getting humor or anything it's more that it felt like you were playing it up more than usual

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:45 am also @nutella in your reads list earlier you had nanook as “won’t chop today” which presumably meant you te him? but in your post that i just quoted you find him wolfy so i’m wondering like, why was he placed so high initially and what changed?

ignore this if you’ve addressed it already, i’m still living in the past

giving him a daypass. I think he's decently enough in his town meta to let him develop, just have vague tonal reservations

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:43 am

Benson wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:04 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:57 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:53 pm I get the sense Nanook is always around but only chooses to post when someone has said something negative about him.

This is wolf lurkiness and vastly different than my read on LC. LC posts when he posts without regard to whether he "needs" to or not, and his posts refer back to context deep in the thread. It isn't this "snap to action OMGUS" on things that are just happening at the moment.

Hally is about one good post away from me switching my vote here.

I agree.

At the same time, Nanook is so blatantly lurking and not caring that I question why he'd deploy this strategy as a wolf. Unless this is just something he always does and he thinks he can get away with it?

nanook definitely did a lot more earlier on last game than he has here. he was town cored pretty quickly and became a leading voice/the n1 kill. here he’s honestly kind of a nonentity despite his claims that he’s doing stuff. he’s hardly done anything imo. but idk if this is a good way to read him because i think he’s a competent wolf and it’s not like he can’t post. so maybe he just doesn’t feel he has to, which ig is not AI really but still meh. i’m not town reading him

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:51 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:34 am Basically I'm saying you should take my three reads seriously, and almost everything else I say as at least partially tongue in cheek.

i hate to like... offend you or anything but the fact that you still only have three reads and that they’re the same exact reads you had on like page 4 is like... not great

your reads haven’t developed at all since then? any wolf reads? any more tr’s? like... what’s going on with you. your posts lately are all just getting annoyed at ppl sussing you but you’re not solving really so idk what to tell you

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:16 am Well, this is gonna leave me with ten posts so a good time to clock out.

Vote off of Hally is something I wanna do. Leaving the lower sections of my list without a really superior reason is not something I am gonna do.

Don't wanna just follow on because there's enough excitement around Radishes anyway. In fact might well opt in for chopping you tomorrow Master Radishes, so don't be surprised.

But right now I'm curious. If the instant OMGUS AtE response is routine for a mild scum lean, what happens if I [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:25 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:16 am Well, this is gonna leave me with ten posts so a good time to clock out.

Vote off of Hally is something I wanna do. Leaving the lower sections of my list without a really superior reason is not something I am gonna do.

Don't wanna just follow on because there's enough excitement around Radishes anyway. In fact might well opt in for chopping you tomorrow Master Radishes, so don't be surprised.

But right now I'm curious. If the instant OMGUS AtE response is routine for a mild scum lean, what happens if I [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

A) I didn’t OMGUS anyone or really do AtE? I mostly made jokes

B) meh, you’re not gonna kill me today

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:32 am Reading the last few pages led me to ISO Nanook and all I see is some early "reads" followed by a bunch of nothing until he started getting pressure, at which point there was finally another piece of game-relevant info. So [VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:34 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:13 pm yes u did call him mafia wtf tim lol

radish, i think nanook's soft was "let me live for a couple of days" or something of the sort

i mean he was town regardless, stop bothering him lol

also i think radish is town for making post 778 in the public thread and not in wolf chat

tim, i think u are pushing 2 town. nanook and proto. i might be wrong on my reads in which case i apologize, but i also might be wrong on my reads in the sense that i might have wrongly townread u

I push on mafia looking posts and events. Most of those are gonna come from town. That's the nature of day one. I'm not trying to kill Proto. I'm not really trying to kill Nanook even though I put a vote on him. This is all just stirring the day one pot and looking at what is floating around.

I am a solver sometimes, but never an instant solver. I actually count more on stronger readers than myself to analyze all this stuff. I just man the oar and keep the pot stirred, mostly.

No need to apologize for making reads. If they are wrong they are wrong, but no one bats a thousand...even if Nanook is claiming that he does.

@Master Radishes in some cultures "you aren't killing me today" is "secret code" for "I have a claim to make that will stop you." To me it is about the dumbest 'soft' there is, and I absolutely hate softs of every stripe. The wolves always see the soft, so the only thing accomplished by softing rather than just claiming is that some, most, or all of the town will be confused. The "you aren't killing me" soft is the worst because it does get treated by some players as if it were some sort of wink and nod secret that only "the elite" players who just never rand wolf think they know about.

@Benson I acknowledge your point and no I am no more interested in chopping him than I was in chopping Amy, and do not really expect that it will be happening.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I apologize for failing to treat you with the assumed respect that you think you have earned in previous play. I am just a rube from the hinterlands and unaware of the history and traditions of your little pond here. I have however played with Visorslash, Amrock, Pizza, Zack, and a fair number of other players of substantial reputation and have been insufficiently respectful towards all of them as well, so you are in good company.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:49 pm There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:54 pm The KZA beetlejuice was pretty horrible, yeah. I wrote him off as a slanker, but apparently he was legit reading the thread, which is really bad.

WerewolfHunter wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:55 pm [quote=NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME post_id=638720 time=<a href="tel:1595454723">1595454723</a> user_id=665]
WOW look at that timing I call him scum and he appears.

Am I a magician?

A sorcerer?

A practitioner of the dark arts?

Maybe he’s just a very antsy beetlejuice.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:19 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:49 pm There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

Woah. Um. Let me rescind my v read on Nook.

Spicy take: this is w/w. Or maybe it's w/v with Nook as the wolf and trying to protect one of the wagons. Like something about the wording of this pings me.