The Syndicate

That was clearly a wrong choice of font color

My vote on Chaindeath is going nowhere, so Im changing it. I think Domcongoose looks worse than Scotty tbh, so Im voting for him.

Dom

Damn. Crappy situation we are in, but I believe that we can still win! I like Sonejis recent posts and GTH he strikes me as civ.

My top scum reads are Chaindeath and Dom. Doms recent posts lacks civ motivation and he does not come off as someone who is struggling to win.

Its the vibe I get while reading your posts.

Looked at Dom´s ISO and its actually not as bad as I remembered. I guess I just didn´t like it in the passing.

I know you guys will probably jump at my throat for this but seriously, I don´t want to sow false suspicion on players. Thank you Sloonei for pointing it out

Dom wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Anyone want to join me in voting for Don/Draconus/Mongoose? Collectively they've provided almost no content. Dom hasn't been inactive since he showed up, but his posts do not represent anything that would be diffocult for a scum player to fake. I think we've definitely tot lurker scums on our hands in this game and he fits the bill better than anyone else.

....so...why am I bad?

Turnip Head wrote:wtf, RIP sig

Sorry that I haven't had time for this. Where should I vote? As of right now I don't want to vote for Epignosis or Scotty but I also haven't read the cases on them. I feel good about both of them from what I've read. chaindeath, Domconus and Soneji are all options for me.

Why?

Nerolunar wrote:My vote on Chaindeath is going nowhere, so Im changing it. I think Domcongoose looks worse than Scotty tbh, so Im voting for him.

Dom

WHY?!

Turnip Head wrote:Well I hope you guys are right about Scotty. .. Ive been wrong about most things so far so maybe I'm wrong about him too, but I think he's town.

Voted for Dom.

W H Y?

This post I think. Its a special case because most of us voted on record of both Mongoose and Draconus´ behavior and prioritized that vote instead of Scotty and Dom was exhibiting really loud behavior and I was thinking that it was weird.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Okay. Let's return to this post then, Nero:

Nerolunar wrote:Damn. Crappy situation we are in, but I believe that we can still win! I like Sonejis recent posts and GTH he strikes me as civ.

My top scum reads are Chaindeath and Dom. Doms recent posts lacks civ motivation and he does not come off as someone who is struggling to win.

If you're no longer feeling Dom, who takes his place? Can you do better than two names?

Im thinking Epi or Elohcin.

That and Chaindeath, and I don´t know who the last one is. Quin maybe? I don´t know, he recovered really well.

I felt good about Serge for a good bit of the game. However, the civ actions of other players makes me go by process of elimination and Serglochin does not look good to me then.

Your ISO of me made me remember Epi´s behavior towards me - feeling sus because of the streering yadda yadda I have been over it. Out of all players he still looks good, but worse than other players. That is what is the hardest about this game for me at least: people are great at projecting town.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I am never lynching any of these people on Day 10:

S~V~S
Sloonei
Turnip Head

That means there are 4 baddies here:

chaindeath
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis
Nerolunar
Soneji

If you're a townie in that pile, then show yourself as brightly as you can. The game is still winnable, somehow, and if you get out of that pile then it's locked.

Aye aye captn.

I think the scum team looks like this:

Chaindeath
Elohcin
Epignosis
Last one is a coin toss between Soneji and Dom. I won´t be advocting to lynch either of these right now though.

I think we should be lynching the person who we think is scum but also if that person can provide us with information to help us continue our pursuit.

So, Epignosis

We should also be careful of bussing and new wagons popping up. There is probably going to be an attempted save at some point.

I could see that vote for Chaindeath by Epi as a bussing attempt. Chaindeath is barely here anyway, so its not unlikely that he is the member they would most like to sacrifice.

Sloonei wrote:I am leaving for work but I just wanted to say that my vote is on Nerolunar the opportunistic bandwagoner. Has he voted for or even been suspicious of Epi at all this game?

I have actually. I have mentioned it in a few recent posts.

Jesus guys. You are wrong about this, and Im not going to be lynched today. Im not a cop and we really need to find the actual cops, so stop this!

How can I convince you that Im not scum?

Epignosis wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:We should also be careful of bussing and new wagons popping up. There is probably going to be an attempted save at some point.

Read: We must regard any alternative lynches as save attempts because Epignosis is bad, and we must regard any additional votes on Epignosis as bussing because Epignosis is bad.

Way to think things through.



Nerolunar

Well, I said that we should just be careful about it damnit. I didn´t mean "disregard" entirely, but there are still 4 cops alive who has the power to steer us around as they wish.

That must have been Zodiac Mafia, though lots of people were bad there.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 33#p239433

There is also Arkham:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 28#p255028

Nerolunar wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I am never lynching any of these people on Day 10:

S~V~S
Sloonei
Turnip Head

That means there are 4 baddies here:

chaindeath
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis
Nerolunar
Soneji

If you're a townie in that pile, then show yourself as brightly as you can. The game is still winnable, somehow, and if you get out of that pile then it's locked.

Aye aye captn.

I think the scum team looks like this:

Chaindeath
Elohcin
Epignosis
Last one is a coin toss between Soneji and Dom. I won´t be advocting to lynch either of these right now though.

I think we should be lynching the person who we think is scum but also if that person can provide us with information to help us continue our pursuit.

So, Epignosis

We should also be careful of bussing and new wagons popping up. There is probably going to be an attempted save at some point.

Well, first I was proposing what I believe is the scum team. Lets for a moment play out that these people are scum - which should we lynch first? Chaindeath has not been here for a long time. Elohcin neither. Their reads has either been limited(Serge) or all over the place (Chaindeath). Epignosis however, has been pretty consistent with his reads if I recall correctly. My thought process was that Epignosis has higher priority in that information regarding him is easier to go about, provided he is actually bad obviously.

In the next part you guys are twisting my words and also misunderstanding what Im saying. I never said that we should completely abandon all other wagons, but that we should be CAREFUL. We need to lynch a cop today right, and if we are to do that we must look through what the cops will inevitably try to tell us in an attempt to direct the lynch upon an innocent. Im saying that I oppose any new and in-the-moment CFD like wagons. We have had enough of impulsive lynches and I want to advocate that we should tread lightly this time. You guys do probably agree with this and I should have worded it differently

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Nero, what do you think of Soneji bailing on the thread at the very moment you became public enemy #1?

Dont you mean Sloonei?

S~V~S wrote:No I think he meant Soneji. He was the one who pointed out your use of 'careful' before you did, right?

Yeah he did. Im happy that someone got it right.

Interesting analysis. Voting for me has been difficult as my time zone has led me to always place my vote in advance. I have not once been around at EOD if I recall correctly.

Actually I said that we should pursue exactly the people that we think are scum + give most information. I don´t know how you could think that I was advocating the exact opposite of that.

But you are probably not going to change your mind anyway, scum.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:Actually I said that we should pursue exactly the people that we think are scum + give most information. I don´t know how you could think that I was advocating the exact opposite of that.

What information do you think an Epignosis lynch would provide in the event that he flips as a cop?

Im not sure, but he has been posting a lot more and more consistently than both Chaindeath and EloSerge.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Scenarios pertaining to Soneji as a townie:

Spoiler: show

ASSUMPTION: Soneji and chaindeath are both town. Cops:
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis
Nerolunar
CONCLUSION: UNLIKELY -- The Epi/Nero pairing is doubtful.

ASSUMPTION: Soneji and Dom are both town. Cops:
chaindeath
Elohcin
Epignosis
Nerolunar
CONCLUSION: UNLIKELY -- The chaindeath/Nero pairing is doubtful.

ASSUMPTION: Soneji and Elohcin are both town. Cops:
chaindeath
Dom
Epignosis
Nerolunar
CONCLUSION: UNLIKELY -- The chaindeath/Nero pairing is doubtful.

ASSUMPTION: Soneji and Epignosis are both town. Cops:
chaindeath
Dom
Elohcin
Nerolunar
CONCLUSION: UNLIKELY -- The chaindeath/Nero pairing is doubtful.

ASSUMPTION: Soneji and Nerolunar are both town. Cops:
chaindeath
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis
CONCLUSION: PLAUSIBLE

If my premises are accepted, Soneji can only be a townie if Nerolunar is also a townie.

That clears Soneji for me then. That leaves out a scum team that looks like this:

Chaindeath
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis

I can support an Elohcin lynch.

Linki~

I can support Dom too, obviously.

How much time until EoD?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I want to hear what everyone thinks before I dedicate my vote to this process.

linki: we still have over 24 hours.

Okay good. Lots of time to figure it out.

It is genuine. He makes the same mistakes I did in my first game, which is writing down reads based on hollow reasoning and then forgetting them, making new reads as he goes along. Its just like seeing myself in fx Arkham, where my teammates were DFaraday and Floyd btw. I understand that the OMGUS is a trait of new players and that its not entirely alignment indicative but put that on-top of everything else and it does not look good in my opinion. If you need quotes for this go look at the case Scotty made on Chaindeath a few days ago.

Im frustrated that he is still alive despite his messy play. I keep pushing because my scumread is so strong and nobody has been listening. In my eyes he has only made weak attempts at recovering his play, not putting in the effort to change my view of him.

Linki - Epi even though my vote history speaks differently Chaindeath has been a major scum read for me through this game. I am against wasting votes so my final votes have not been on Chaindeath that many times as there was no support for it.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I think Dom's initial reaction is rather telling though. Instead of staunchly contesting me for essentially calling him a confirmed cop, he just acted like he didn't understand my methods. He should be fighting for his life and getting angry.

I agree.

It may be that distancing is more common here, but both me and Chaindeath are fairly new to this site. Personally Im still not entirely accustomed to some of the various playstyles and scum/town tells etc.

I trust this idea because I know that I am town. That is the only thing that has always been for certain to me this game, and knowing that makes me feel better about Soneji due to Prisoner´s exercise. I also strongly believe Chaindeath is scum, so to me that exercise is pretty spot-on. I agree with the variables used because I can account for them.

So if that exercise is to be trusted Elohcin and Dom does look like the worst.

Linki - Epi I have been trying. After realizing it was not going to happen I started to bandwagon more and leave Chaindeath for when people were ready to lynch him. Or well, not leave him entirely as I have voted for him a few times at the beginning of day phases, but when no support came I have been switching to other wagons. my "against wasting votes" ideal came to fruition a few days in.

Epi what do you read Chaindeath as? Which possible scumteam combination do you think is the truth?

Im also going to bed now, will come back to you guys in the morning.

Epignosis wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:Linki - Epi I have been trying. After realizing it was not going to happen I started to bandwagon more and leave Chaindeath for when people were ready to lynch him. Or well, not leave him entirely as I have voted for him a few times at the beginning of day phases, but when no support came I have been switching to other wagons. my "against wasting votes" ideal came to fruition a few days in.

Epi what do you read Chaindeath as? Which possible scumteam combination do you think is the truth?

How did you start bandwagoning? You have never voted for a single lynched person. Your Day 6 vote was for sig, all by yourself. That was the Day ika got lynched with eight votes (whom you voted for Day 2). Boomslang had six votes. The Day prior you voted Boomslang, but you didn't vote for him Day 6.

I don't see how you throw up your hands on your top suspect only to say you started bandwagoning...when you never bandwagoned a Day in this thing.

I wanted sig lynched for ages, but I'm not going to make that happen by not convincing people to vote him. It eventually happened, even though the result wasn't what I wanted. If chaindeath is your top suspect, then why haven't you tried to get support for a lynch against him?

Well, I have been placing votes in advance due to sleep patterns on the pre-existing wagons at various day phases. Those wagons may not have gone through in the end but I have still tried to put my vote to use on the people who I was suspicious up who were a wagon at the time of my sleep. I have tried to get support for a Chaindeath lynch. I have also been afraid of pushing too hard and tunneling but I have announced my Chaindeath suspicion many times and asked people to evaluate him. No results.

Sloonei wrote: If your alignment is the only thing you've been certain about, why are you willing to trust the Prisoner's assumption that SVS, Turnip, and myself are all town?

Because just as everyone else I think you guys have put up consistent town behavior. I trust the prisoner and his judgment too, so him trusting you settles it.

Epignosis wrote:Nerolunar has gone to bed. I want full responses to what I've said. Nerolunar should be beyond willing to lynch chaindeath right now, but he's not. I want answers.

Wait what? I never said I was not willing to lynch Chaindeath. Its you guys who won´t lynch him, not me. We need to find one suspect and lynch target, and so far none of you believe it could be Chaindeath this phase. Im fine with Dom and Elohcin too, as long as we hit a cop.

Sloonei wrote:~*~Hey townies, look at this post!~*~

We (civs/townies) absolutely cannot split our votes. We have to consolidate all of our votes today. To be a lonewolf voter is essentially to forfeit the game. Please please please get on board with whatever bandwagon we settle on.

Dom

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Nero, what is your answer to Epi's chaindeath vote?

Its very clever. I think he wants to provoke a reaction from me to try to shift the wagon back on me. I have two choices:

1) Vote for Chaindeath, decreasing the lead on Dom and splitting the wagon. Not a good choice.
2) Not vote for Chaindeath and get accused by Epi for being indecisive, probably causing votes to come back on me. Epi will say something like: "There is a wagon for chaindeath now, why don´t you vote for it? This is what you have been waiting for." and frame me when I don´t.

So far Im keeping my vote on Dom. I don´t want Epi to manipulate me.

chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath has finished reading all of the posts to this point, in the stead of lunch might he add. He would like to acknowledge that he is flattered that thellama would not vote to lynch chaindeath. However, He wishes to let his suspicions be known of Matt and Silverwolf. Matt is acting oddly, and chaindeath is not put at ease with any of Matt's posts. Silverwolf seems fishy as well (odd since shes a wolf and all) he is not comfortable with the snap votes as soon as the polls opened.

Also Chaindeath would like to start a discussion about the hosts night powers. Perhaps the flower of the cosmos was able to redirect the night arrest away from the intended target, especially since in the day before she lost quite a bit from her family. He proposes that she is trying to keep her family at a size that would allow for a fighting chance. In the same mannor,he took the cup, that He thinks that the foot-covering used his power to radically harm the her family. He requests your thoughts.

I guess it is this post. In hindsight it is not that great a post, but at least he provided some thoughts and tried to actively discuss something. Well, I can´t have been entirely convinced by this as my suspicion returned after a while. Hmm.

I did honestly forget to click the button that day

And on the topic of creeping I am regularly visiting this site to see if someone posted more.

Epignosis wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Nero, what is your answer to Epi's chaindeath vote?

Its very clever. I think he wants to provoke a reaction from me to try to shift the wagon back on me. I have two choices:

1) Vote for Chaindeath, decreasing the lead on Dom and splitting the wagon. Not a good choice.
2) Not vote for Chaindeath and get accused by Epi for being indecisive, probably causing votes to come back on me. Epi will say something like: "There is a wagon for chaindeath now, why don´t you vote for it? This is what you have been waiting for." and frame me when I don´t.

So far Im keeping my vote on Dom. I don´t want Epi to manipulate me.

Nerolunar: I've been trying to lynch chaindeath for days but no one will vote for him.
Epignosis: Let's lynch chaindeath.
Nerolunar: No. I don't want you to manipulate me. We can't split the wagon.

You and chaindeath are teammates trying to hold it together for the home stretch. You don't really want chaindeath lynched, and your vote on Dom isn't from belief that he is bad, it's based on not "splitting the wagon." But since when have you ever been concerned with a bandwagon staying together?

Prisoner, I read your review. I still see kid gloves. Nerolunar's refusal to vote chaindeath now and his reasons for refusing tell me his chaindeath "suspicion" is a sham.

This is exactly what I knew would happen.

Im going to bed now.

Just when we thought we could lock down some variables. What do we do? If we get to live another day Im inclined to believe Elohcin is still a valid lynch option, if just to decrease the number of cops.

S~V~S wrote:That post of Neros reads to me as, "I hope the Greyhound is here on time".

What do you mean?

Dom wrote:What else are we doing but eliminating baddies?

If you feel that someone is bad, why aren't you lynching them?

I am. Right now its night so I can´t really vote for anyone.

S~V~S wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:Just when we thought we could lock down some variables. What do we do? If we get to live another day Im inclined to believe Elohcin is still a valid lynch option, if just to decrease the number of cops.

This feels like you are throwing a teammate under the bus as she is uninvolved, and if she does flip bad, you get to say you called it. The WiFom pre-defense. This just reads that way to me.

Hmm yeah I understand. I do think she is most likely to be bad though, considering the circumstances.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I agree with S~V~S about Nero. Soneji has been more outwardly townish, but it's hard to see what cop team is left if he's town. It'd be worth examining how good of team mates Epi and Soneji would be.

I'm not doing it.

If you think Im bad, do you also think Chaindeath is town then?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I don't know what TH might be talking about re: Dom but sure whatever. My vote is wherever the pitchforks want it.

How do you feel about lynching Elohcin? Because thats where Im at, at the moment.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Nobody is easier lynch bait than her if she's town.

Thats true. I doubt she is though.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Nero's reaction looks like top grade b/s.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Here are some non-interactive tidbits from Nero that are just yikes to me at face value.

Spoiler: show

Nerolunar wrote:

ika wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:
What are you going to do if Silverwolf appears to you as town? Who are you going to vote for today if you don´t have any reads?

@ Matt I agree that is strange. But is it alignment indicative? I don´t think so.

wh i always do: work with her and sort out reads that we cant agree on and try to make a cohesive town bloc of players. i would prob go isoing then and read people to see what i cna find if i sort her

So you are developing reads? Just before you said you weren´t going to make reads on people day 1 But thanks for clarifying.

I like that you and Silverwolf can cooperate like this, provided that both of you are good. I will keep an eye on you Could very well be that both of you are baddies.

Yikes.

Nerolunar wrote:Wait, quite a few people have been voicing disagreement against the Gleam wagon. Is this a coordinated cop effort to steer the thread in a specific direction?

Yikes.

Nerolunar wrote:Wow.

Well, if you can´t reference to posts and find bits of proof then how do you want us to agree with you? Why do you want to do ISO´s if you don´t want to analyse them?

Man.

Yikes.

Nerolunar wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Sorry Wilgy. I can't vote for you anymore. Something else came up.

Nerolunar wrote:Wait, quite a few people have been voicing disagreement against the Gleam wagon. Is this a coordinated cop effort to steer the thread in a specific direction?

Go on...

Nerolunar wrote:Wow.

Well, if you can´t reference to posts and find bits of proof then how do you want us to agree with you? Why do you want to do ISO´s if you don´t want to analyse them?

Man.

Uh-huh. Nerolunar. Is the thread being steered? Who is doing the driving?

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:What the hell have I been reading the past few pages?

Have you figured it out yet?

No. A grammar and spelling manual would do wonders.

ika wrote:i do analize them

Ooooow.

Pursuing Ika right then seemed much more appropiate than trying to focus on the disagreement with the Gleam lynch. I got some fine answers from him that made me vote for him. We got to know Ika better and thats way more valuable than following through with my previous thoughts.

It pinged me that you were so quick to vote for me based on this. Were you pinged by me before? If so, where and why?

Yikes.

Nerolunar wrote:

sig wrote:Voting Epignosis for the time. I don't have much to go on, but I've got a bad gut read of him, I also don't see the gleam lynch what so ever. I think between Gleam and Ika, Ika is more likely to be bad.

Before you were pinged by me, and now you vote for my accuser? Don´t get me wrong, Im happy that you don´t find me suspicious anymore, but this looks a tad opportunistic to me

Yikes.

Nerolunar wrote:Yay! Well done on the lynch.

Im not so sure on Ika anymore. Im more inclined to lynching Epi right now, though I will have to wait for the night to end before making any reads. We should have fresh information by then.

Yikes.

Nerolunar wrote:I think Im going to vote for Chaindeath. He voted for LC based on nothing earlier today, when the only thing LC had posted IIRC was an argument against the everyone-vote-for-everyone plan. Still getting mixed signals from Gleam, but I will let him slide this round.

See y`all tomorrow.

Yikes.

Nerolunar wrote:Im still reading Ika as bad. I understand that we are unfamilliar with his playstyle, but I just can´t get around how it looks. Recently he has only posted pictures without words, not really been providing thoughts or reads and previously he would say stuff like "Just lynch this already". It doesn´t look to me like he is really trying. What townstyle exhibits that?

I guess he is working and doesn´t have time to respond properly, but if he doesn´t do it soon I will be voting for him.

Yikes.

Nerolunar wrote:Sig.

You didn´t answer my question or follow up on our discussion Whats up? Im pinged by you you know.

Haha yikes.

Nerolunar wrote:Okay Quin - I missed that.

Dragon is that a bad thing? Im convinced Chaindeath is scum and Im trying to get people to vote for him. I know Im tunneling, but I won´t change my opinion unless Chaindeath proves he is civ in the following phases.

Yikes.

Nerolunar wrote:I believe we should lynch Sig.

Right now lynching Sig is almost the only thing we are talking about. Are we going to talk about him next cycle too? It feels like we are not getting anywhere, and I would much rather get the paranoia out of the way asap. I think we can have a more clear approach to things once we are not as occupied with lynching Sig.

Will keeping Sig alive solve any problems? In my opinion, no. Rather, if he flips bad we can probably clear Golden and that would be really beneficial.

Yikes.

Nerolunar wrote:Also, thank you Scotty for seeing for what Im seeing in regards to Chaindeath.

This isn't yikes so much as it's textbook team mate b/s (with chaindeath). Epi was right to say I was wearing kid gloves before.

Nerolunar wrote:Anyways, its confusing that all these prisoners have showed up. I would like you guys to only talk on topic and try to maximize town effort - It will be dificult to find scum if half of the thread is off topic or not helpful from now on. So help us hunt scum instead of running around verbally if you know what I mean. I mean no offense by this, obviously.

Chaindeath

I ask everyone to evaluate Chaindeaths posts and tell me how he can possibly be civ. Im so tunnel minded on this and it would be cool if other people would provide reads on him. Im interested to see why some of you are townreading him, because I simply can´t.

Yikes.

Nerolunar wrote:That GTH exercise you guys did earlier was really interesting to read, and I am going to make one for myself too now. I don´t understand why so many of you find me scummy though, but to be honest Im not really scared. I guess I haven´t been investing that much effort in to this game(haven´t really done ISOs and such) and I understand why that might seem scummy to you. However, I believe that there are objectively worse looking players at the moment, and I want to lynch Sig this round. I believe that he is indeed scum, and has recently found his footing so he can continue to slip away of lynches. I say we lynch Sig once and for all.

Yikes.

Nerolunar wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I am never lynching any of these people on Day 10:

S~V~S
Sloonei
Turnip Head

That means there are 4 baddies here:

chaindeath
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis
Nerolunar
Soneji

If you're a townie in that pile, then show yourself as brightly as you can. The game is still winnable, somehow, and if you get out of that pile then it's locked.

Aye aye captn.

I think the scum team looks like this:

Chaindeath
Elohcin
Epignosis
Last one is a coin toss between Soneji and Dom. I won´t be advocting to lynch either of these right now though.

I think we should be lynching the person who we think is scum but also if that person can provide us with information to help us continue our pursuit.

So, Epignosis

We should also be careful of bussing and new wagons popping up. There is probably going to be an attempted save at some point.

YIKES.

Nerolunar wrote:I could see that vote for Chaindeath by Epi as a bussing attempt. Chaindeath is barely here anyway, so its not unlikely that he is the member they would most like to sacrifice.

He already knows chaindeath's alignment.

This guy has been scummy at every turn, and instead of noticing it I've spent my time being preoccupied by murdering Epignosis and the fact that a bad Epi likely means a good Nero. Reverse that please.

I think lots of these quotes were in your previous ISO of me. Is there anything you want me to answer to, or is it just tone-reading? I can´t really defend myself from this you know, its just how I write. If this gets me lynched I will be really pissed

Also, I dont KNOW for sure that Chaindeath is bad, I just have a really strong read on him.

Sloonei wrote:TURNIP HEAD! Help us. Who should we lynch: Epi or Nero?

Why the dual choice? Im all for Chaindeath or Elohcin this phase. Mostly Chaindeath actually.

I think he is bad along with Chaindeath and Elohcin. That weird mindgame he did with me earlier where he voted for Chaindeath settled it for me. I cannot fathom how a civvy would ever want to do something like that. Were he hoping for me to reveal myself somehow or what? To me the only incentive to do that was to throw shade and scapegoat me.

The reason Im not including Soneji in my scumlist is because his thoughts processes have been very close to mine. Im much less doubtful of him that the people in my scumlist.

Sloonei wrote:If you have time, could you pull out some quotes that demonstrate Soneji's thought processes being similar to yours?

Sure, give me a moment.

Soneji wrote:Lets look at the numbers here. There are four cops to eight civs, if we assume that the seemer has been lynched. The cops will arrest at least one player tonight, potentially two. Lets assume the former, that puts us at four cops, seven civs. A mislynch next day phase will put as at best 4 vs 5 after the subsequent night phase. So at most, we can afford one mislynch if the cops don't get lucky with their 20% chance of lynching a second player.

The Scotty lynch was based on meta reasoning mainly, from how he acted in another game I wasn't in. I have had Epi try to shoot down my suspicion on Mongoose for meta reasons, SVS was saying Epi wouldn't tunnel sig if he was mafia due to meta reasons, etc...it seems this site has an over reliance on meta. Even the suspicion on me has never fully taken off as people are hesitant due to not knowing my meta. We need to stop thinking about meta and just judge the actions by themselves.

Here he advocates to not put as much emphasis on meta, and I agree. Being fairly new here I was initially surprised how big a part meta plays. It resonated fairly well with me.

Soneji wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:We should also be careful of bussing and new wagons popping up. There is probably going to be an attempted save at some point.

Read: We must regard any alternative lynches as save attempts because Epignosis is bad, and we must regard any additional votes on Epignosis as bussing because Epignosis is bad.

Way to think things through.



Nerolunar

Maybe you missed the word "careful" there. Looking out for those just joining your wagon without good reason to do so or counterwagons that don't have a strong basis, is not the same as regarding every alternative lynch as a save or votes on you as bussing. Twisting suggestions to the extreme to paint someone as scum is almost exclusively done by anti-town.

Soneji was the only person who actually understood what I meant by this.

Soneji wrote:There is certainly merit in that methodology Prisoner. At this point with so few players, process of elimination is key. I could agree that Nero/chaindeath isn't likely and Epi/Nero to a lesser extent. So for me the most likely scum team is:

Epi
chaindeath
Dom
Elo

Soneji also made a scumlist that was identical to the one I had in mind after reading Prisoner´s process of elimination exercise.

Sloonei wrote:That is also what my 4 person cop team looked like. Are you at all worried that Soneji is perhaps juwt trying to appear agreeable so that he can buddy you and/or me?

Im aware of the possibility, but it just looks so genuine.

Im going to look at the exercise again and check Sonejis part. Nothing so far have made me doubt the exercise, especially not after Dom came out bad.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Doing this again, but this time I will make no comments about what I think is likely or unlikely. You guys tell me.

Supposing the innocence of Sloonei and Turnip Head...

chaindeath

Spoiler: show

If chaindeath and Elohcin are town, cops are:
EPIGNOSIS
NEROLUNAR
SONEJI

If chaindeath and Epignosis are town, cops are:
ELOHCIN
NEROLUNAR
SONEJI

If chaindeath and Nerolunar are town, cops are:
ELOHCIN
EPIGNOSIS
SONEJI

If chaindeath and Soneji are town, cops are:
ELOHCIN
EPIGNOSIS
NEROLUNAR

Elohcin

Spoiler: show

If Elohcin and chaindeath are town, cops are:
Epignosis
Nerolunar
Soneji

If Elohcin and Epignosis are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Nerolunar
Soneji

If Elohcin and Nerolunar are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Epignosis
Soneji

If Elohcin and Soneji are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Epignosis
Nerolunar

Epignosis

Spoiler: show

If Epignosis and chaindeath are town, cops are:
Elohcin
Nerolunar
Soneji

If Epignosis and Elohcin are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Nerolunar
Soneji

If Epignosis and Nerolunar are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Elohcin
Soneji

If Epignosis and Soneji are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Epignosis
Nerolunar

Nerolunar

Spoiler: show

If Nerolunar and chaindeath are town, cops are:
Elohcin
Epignosis
Soneji

If Nerolunar and Elohcin are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Epignosis
Soneji

If Nerolunar and Epignosis are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Elohcin
Soneji

If Nerolunar and Soneji are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Elohcin
Epignosis

Soneji

Spoiler: show

If Soneji and chaindeath are town, cops are:
Elohcin
Epignosis
Nerolunar

If Soneji and Elohcin are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Epignosis
Nerolunar

If Soneji and Epignosis are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Elohcin
Nerolunar

If Soneji and Nerolunar are town, cops are:
chaindeath
Elohcin
Epignosis

Okay its the same.

Are anyone ready for a Chaindeath lynch now?

Sloonei wrote:What causes you to trust in that exercise right now, Nero?

My own alignment(Im town) + my trust of Soneji and distrust of Chaindeath and Epignosis. I think the scum team presented in the "If Nero and Soneji are town, then: ..." is the truth.

Sloonei wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

Sloonei wrote:What causes you to trust in that exercise right now, Nero?

My own alignment(Im town) + my trust of Soneji and distrust of Chaindeath and Epignosis. I think the scum team presented in the "If Nero and Soneji are town, then: ..." is the truth.

But this is just you restating your reads. Why are you referring to this exercise right now, and what do you like about it?

I like that its an exercise based on reads and relationships that exist and have been relevant for some time. Its another weapon to use when tone and gut are not as trusted as before, and I think its useful that it can help us find the players most likely to be scum. I'm personally not good at keeping track of people´s reads and in-game relationships so having it put down like that in a logical manner really helped me find my grasp in this game after I was nearly absent for day 8-9.

Its also not overtly authorative, as the variables can still be discussed.

Tbh I dont even know what he means. I don´t know Wilgy that well either.

Sloonei wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:Tbh I dont even know what he means. I don´t know Wilgy that well either.

That was a reference to something earlier in the game, where Wilgy brought up someone's scum game from Zodiac (SVS or Epi himself, I think) as a point of reference for this game. Epi dismisses that that game can be used at all, since 9 of the 12 players in it were scum so it wasn't a real game ("Maphia" is our name for that on RYM, let's bring that over here).

Yeah okay, thanks.

I think the first few days of Zodiac can be relevant. People didn´t know what the hell was going on, at least my team didn´t.

Linki~