The Syndicate

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:12 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:16 pm Egads I got so busy and now my roast is ruined!

Unless.....

Am I the only one reading this as a wolfy pop in?

Comic Book Guy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:06 am

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:05 am

The Grumple wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:08 pm yellow seems a little sus

Explain how

Missing an obvious joke? That's scummy.

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:20 pm Deets on the track @Principal Skinner

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:46 am

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:45 am

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:20 pm Deets on the track @Principal Skinner

you my good sir did not visit anyone

why would you track otto of all people??

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:56 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:35 pm

Comic Book Guy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:41 pm [VOTE: Bart Simpson] aubergine

Comic Book Guy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:41 pm Milhouse is sus.

I can get a brief overview of your thoughts on these posts?

I passionately hate bald votes and "reads" with no reasoning.

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:11 am I wonder if Skinner tracked me again.
@Principal Skinner

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:22 pm CBG's responses have really irked me. I think he's going for a TWTBAW strategy. He's trying to give off an aura of not giving a fuck but his overly flippant attitude feels OTT. I think he's just scum here, maybe even trying his best to anti-spew so as to deny us associative reads.

Bart is probably town here as well. Marge not appearing today has me slightly concerned but I had her as strong town yesterday and I still trust her.

I think I'm on Bart, Grumple, Otto, Hugh, Krusty, Marge, Burns and Skinner as town.

POE is Lisa, Homer, CBG.

I doubt the game is as easy as all three of them being scum but I would be pretty unsurprised if there was 2 scum in that pool. My townreads all look good to me and I'd like to think my reads are good enough that there aren't 2 or more wolves slipping into my town list.

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:04 pm
I'm surprised this is a question, Grumple.

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:24 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:10 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:04 pm
I'm surprised this is a question, Grumple.

Are you though?

What does this question say to you about the green creature if you are surprised?

Stop fidgeting.

It says they didn't bother to actually read how nf played out and was just looking for an opportunity to look busy by posing questions on why I voted even though that should have been obvious.

Could serve to muddy the waters a bit and shade me.

Fun fact, I've been looking for 112. She's tricky af and for a little while I was thinking she might be Lisa, but theres been some spelling and grammar errors which are definitely not 112 even though the post frequency and some meta stuff kinda lines up with Lisa.
I fear 112 might actually be Grumple, and if she is in fact Grumple I'd scum read that slot so hard.

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:15 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:58 pm

Spelling and grammar errors indicate a bad educational system, which I do not promote.

Intentional spelling and grammar errors screw with individuals like you.

If education is bad in Springfield, who should we hold responsible?

Smithers!!! The hounds!

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:47 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:43 pm Sorry for dipping, I've had an awful day and then a sudden work opportunity fell into my lap just an hour ago, so tomorrow'll be spent testing for that and hoping I get it. My promise of ISOs is probably not one going to be met, but I'm trying to follow along.

I agree with the sentiment that we should probably look within the more active and responsive posters rather than just eliminating from the bottom as we've been doing. "Bad" play is not predictive in this game it seems.

I like that new!Skinner is aggro and trying to shake things up. I've subbed once and I hated it. Felt like I was constantly fighting against the previous slot holder, and missing the game up to that point puts you behind even if you do a catch-up read. So immediately coming out swinging is nice. Doesn't impact my position on voting since I was already on "never chop Skinner until his survival is suspicious." But for the game state I like the new him.

I feel like I don't know what any of your reads are. What is your POE like today?

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:50 pm Someone said we needed individual POEs of five people, and I realized that I don't have that. The best I could've mustered was Marge, Lisa, and Krusty, and none of them were strong scum-leans for me to begin with. I find myself being wishy-washy here.

The theory of expanding POE and going within the active people brings me Allison. I don't have a fifth and I'm not sure I can get one without ISOing. I previously read Allison as "annoying but fine" and that somewhat still holds true, but of all the choices in the active crew she's at the bottom for me and seems the most opportunistic. This is not a confident read.

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:45 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:10 pm A recent essay I read said something about how a dead thread produces dead villagers. It didn't make any sense to me, but I'd like to hear you talk about it.

Are you caught up Skinner?

Becasue i thought you will contribute at an animate thread

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:05 pm

Spoiler: show

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:10 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

Why are you on Mill?

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:26 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:18 pm

Spoiler: show

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:03 pm Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:07 pm [VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:10 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

@Hugh Jass: This'll come across defensive as hell since it's coming from me, but was an OMGUS vote—based on a joke vote from the beginning of the game—right before EOD really the best you were able to muster in a little over half an hour? After a day of being able to read back, what are your reads, if any?

Same to you @Milhouse Van Houten. Anything beyond the town/scum wall now?

Hugh, you mentioned I have a "weird obsession" with inactives, but this is why. We have nothing (majorly actionable) to work off of from you two after an entire cycle. I'm not asking you to flood us with in-depth reads, nobody's really doing that, but like, something? Anything? After 72 hours, what's the scoop?

Before the spew clear and role claim I was pretty comfortable with the Flanders/Skinner wagons, and hadn't really built a major POE beyond that except with poking holes in what Marge was saying re: Homer and generally being unimpressed with Milhouse's empty wall. Will need to fix that today at some point.

Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:44 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:36 pm The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

I hate this read. I think this comes from a wolf more often than not, like it doesn't feel real at all. It's scheme-y as hell, the way he engages and accept the suspicion on gramps at a superficial level without getting into anything concrete, while at the same time shading me who also happen to be at odds with the gramps.

Like the way he goes one about gramps being suspicious for several reasons, and me suspecting me for none of those reasons. The emphasis of none feels fake lol.

Waiting for him to expand.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:00 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:46 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:26 am Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

you just made me ISO myself, and I resent that

I tagged you one singular time before D2 (and it was after people started pressuring Homer for dipping, so seems relevant to the situation at the time of you still not having posted by then), mentioned you a couple times when talking about zero posters (a shocking twist that you, a zero poster, would be mentioned in such a thing)

anyways, where I come from, inactivity ends up being a scum-tell more often than it doesn't

that may not be the case here and I accept that, and I am trying to not base my reads and moves solely off of that

Speaking of "here," is there any way to see vote history?

I'm pretty sure when I switched my vote to Lisa at the end of D1, I was the only voter on her, or maybe the second (leave obvious room for error here since apparently my memory is absolute garbage). Who did I sell my vote to? Then I switched to the Milhouse wagon, which clearly parses since, as you describe, I'm "weirdly obsessed" with inactives

(even though my case on Milhouse went beyond simply not being here: it was based on him coming by to drop a single town/scum wall and then disappearing again; not participating and then showing up to offer no actionable reads before going back to not participating is not town-y, and in a world of claims and spew, seemed as good a choice as any)

Do you suspect me for being absent up until the last half hour or so?

To the thread, to anyone reading your posts. I didn't mean it as in you trying to get people to join on that wagon, more like selling it as legitimate I guess.

What was suspicious about him dropping that town/scum wall? Did you have no other wolf read from D1?

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:11 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:00 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:52 am

I have made reads. I called Mill a townie, and he flipped Town. I called Gramps a wolf, and I'm calling you one now.

three names drawn apparently from a hat and attached to words aren't "reads."

Mill -

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:02 pm Mill is town for that post calling alignment based on entrance posts. I'm having trouble seeing a flanking wolf do that post and then just dip, it's the kind of unprompted things that usually comes from town, like I guess he had the urge to do alignment guesses for fun.

Gramps -

Spoiler: show

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:03 pm Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:26 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:18 pm

Spoiler: show

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:03 pm Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:07 pm [VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:10 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

@Hugh Jass: This'll come across defensive as hell since it's coming from me, but was an OMGUS vote—based on a joke vote from the beginning of the game—right before EOD really the best you were able to muster in a little over half an hour? After a day of being able to read back, what are your reads, if any?

Same to you @Milhouse Van Houten. Anything beyond the town/scum wall now?

Hugh, you mentioned I have a "weird obsession" with inactives, but this is why. We have nothing (majorly actionable) to work off of from you two after an entire cycle. I'm not asking you to flood us with in-depth reads, nobody's really doing that, but like, something? Anything? After 72 hours, what's the scoop?

Before the spew clear and role claim I was pretty comfortable with the Flanders/Skinner wagons, and hadn't really built a major POE beyond that except with poking holes in what Marge was saying re: Homer and generally being unimpressed with Milhouse's empty wall. Will need to fix that today at some point.

Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

You -

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:44 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:36 pm The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

I hate this read. I think this comes from a wolf more often than not, like it doesn't feel real at all. It's scheme-y as hell, the way he engages and accept the suspicion on gramps at a superficial level without getting into anything concrete, while at the same time shading me who also happen to be at odds with the gramps.

Like the way he goes one about gramps being suspicious for several reasons, and me suspecting me for none of those reasons. The emphasis of none feels fake lol.

Waiting for him to expand.

Cool story bro

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:00 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:52 am

I have made reads. I called Mill a townie, and he flipped Town. I called Gramps a wolf, and I'm calling you one now.

Sorry twenty minute man, but I just am not ready to buy into "I showed up, skimmed the thread, and KNEW the low poster was town." If you did REALLY KNOW it's because he wasn't in your wolf room. If you are just "well, he was no worse than rand and I happened to guess right" then get off your high horse.

I absolutely couldn't care less if you're buying into whatever "it" is lol. There is also no "KNEW", you're being extremely disingenuous here. It is expected though. I highlighted the read I made on Mill just in response to you saying I haven't made any reads.

He was indeed no worse than rand, and that is my opinion lol. I'm not on any high horse, you're the one apparently all worked up. Relax, buddy.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:54 am Finally caught up! I'm feeling things, feeling a lot of things but I'm having trouble trying to put them into words lol. It was also pretty difficult internalizing information, felt like reading posts from new players everywhere and the lack of familiarity with avys I guess you get lost sometimes and don't even remember who said what.

I think my strongest town reads would be Marge, Otto and Alison. Found myself agreeing with like almost everything Marge saying and that's pretty crazy lol. We have the two same scum reads and like most of her posts comes off as natural and you can see her train of thoughts. They're like open and accessible if that makes any sense, doesn't feel like there is an agenda behind them. I usually find the "lol" and other laughing acronyms as scum tells sometimes when they don't really match the tone and vibe of a player, and they're like using them to sweeten their post and comes off as anxious. Here it feels like she's just having fun, and it kind of gives off a good care free vibe that is townie.

Otto and Alison are the og contributors of the thread. I liked the energy they came in with, and it felt like it came with genuine game solving intent. Didn't really agree all that much with some of Otto's reads but they felt genuine, a lot of progression and reconsiderations which makes me feel like he's trying to figure out people for real and not just putting a show. I particularly liked post 72, I think it's the kind of post that only town does. It's nothing fancy but like scum never make them because they're never solving for real. I don't know if this make any sense lol, it's like the kind of self reflecting and gathering of thoughts that comes from a townie mindset when they're trying to get a feel for the state of the game. Agreed with his Gtumple take, felt also genuine and not like him wanting to get Grumple off his back. I understand it too 'cause you usually can have personal takes on how someone is treating you so you can get reads from it, I'm a no u specialist since I feel like I have good instincts for when scum is pushing me for bullshit reasons lol. Overall have the same thought about Alison, I liked her Gramps take and while I started suspecting him for different and more personal reasons, her take are good. The change of speed of Gramps is particularily telling. I also like her feelings about the state of the game and how its going, feel like genuine town concerns.

Pretty much agree with Marge about Homer. The idgaf attitude her and not tailoring his game to people especially after getting prodded is more likely town than not. Also it actually feels genuine, rather than like a scum trying to sell that fake bravado. He kind of embodies it here lol. The lock town on Mill is absolutely beautiful.

I'm having some trouble with CBG, little bit of a love hate relationship. I kind of read his concise posts as town like, they feel like naked thoughts and right to the point. Also some of the silly one liners he's dished have surprisingly pinged me town lol. He has that same attitude vibe that Homer have, although it's not something that is unfakeable (if that is word). Not sure if I'm dumb but post 417 is town for me lmao. We have Mill about to get eliminated, and it's like a meme-y mafia read on him that I just don't think Mafia ever makes. It's fucking hilarious.

Unlike his parents, I have no fucking clue who Bart is. He's in my townpile though. I guess for the bland reasons that his thoughts are genuine bla bla bla lol. I kind of like the little work he's done when he's been playing the game and contributing. Feels real to me, and while it actually matches other peoples reads especially the scum reads, it kind of comes off as he's coming into them on his own like he's playing the game at his own pace.

Kristy, and Lisa are in my PoE. I haven't really figured them out much and some stuff have pinged me. Also not a lot of things to work with. Krusty gives off a weird disattached vibe, like he's a robot if that makes sense lol. There is like no emotion accompanying his posts and it comes off as if he's not actually trying to figure people out just asking questions. Speaking of questions, I'm not seeing him reach much conclusions and seems like he's just faking contributions through those questions who don't seem most of the time to be stuff that will actually help him figure someone out. More like bland and semantic stuff that I guess help him fake contribution. I think his take on Mill's wall post is the kind of wolfy remark used to shade others. He's like piggy backing off others when they're discussing Mill, and he just pops in to point out something that can be seen as scummy and then nothing further. He dips from there with clean hands. Kind of saw it that way.

Not a big fan of Lisa's little contribution. Feels like she's hunting some easy posts to go off of, and then just share some bland takes. She's kind of using them to appear as if contributing. It's not the lack of reasoning that is off to me, it's more like they seem to be random as hell. There is no train of thoughts or contuinity to them, she's not like quoting different posts about a same discussion trying to give her thoughts about them or add to the discussion. She's more putting her hand into a lot of different discussion to I guess appear more visible, and broaden her reach.

Already talked about Gramps and Burns who are at the bottom of my PoE. Haven't really moved much off of them after catching up completely, although I'd say I'm still mulling over some things I've seen from Gramps. Also the inactives thing could be a culture/playstyle clash, but even then I'm not a big fan of the rest of his contribution. The gear shift that Alison built her case on is something I agree with as well. Scums are more likely to make it when called out, and it kind of shows that whatever vibe or attitude they had prior was fake.

I still fucking hate Mr. Burns with a passion. I think he was trying to discredit early on Alison and Otto with the fear mongering about them potentially power wolfing. It's a cheap way to shade someone while posing it as a an open ended question, "oh I'm just aking myself" "I'm not sure". It sounds so fucking fake, and it's usually the kind of cowardy wolf tactics to shade loud voices. No fucking townie put that thought out there immediately. It's so slimy lol.

I've got more thoughts there, and also more thoughts in general but this is it for this post. It actually fucking sucks to come from behind 'cause I have so many problems trying to put into words everything I want to say lol. I guess that'll serve me missing the whole phase. Hopefully I'll keep being up to date this phase. I initially thought about iso-ing every single player and then sharing my thoughts posts by posts as that'd be easier, but fuck that lmao.

I was fine with all of these posts

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:13 pm sure whatever, I can compromise

feel like Bart reacted villagery here and it may be worth sheeping them

my reads are gonna be bad probably because of the game environment, the way the game is and the combo of players and their views makes it hard for me to get accurate reads

[VOTE: Hugh Jass ] aubergine

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:00 pm You answered too late at the GTH, made it useless.

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:26 pm behaviour

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:24 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:08 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:06 pm [VOTE: Grampa Simpson] aubergine

Beetlejuice + "why me?" is a wolf.

A vote with no reason and after no pressure seems to be worth a "Why?" to me.

Is it tho? Seems a bit defensive to me, myself & I. If you're TP, then why would a no reason, no pressure vote bother you? It would if you're Maf of course

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:32 am
Skinner looking for a sub, so I guess I'll leave him be for now.

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:23 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:22 pm What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

Read her posts. She's made a remarkable contribution this RD, 1 post! Top marks, fo sho

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:26 pm The only positive I can see to Lisa this moment is simply the lack of success we've had lynching slankers thus far.

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:27 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:25 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:23 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:22 pm What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

Read her posts. She's made a remarkable contribution this RD, 1 post! Top marks, fo sho

I read them. The concern is that Lisa has one post this phase and that means she's a bad student? I find that less than compelling evidence.

You're a lousy educator if you think that attendance isn't an important factor in a student's success.

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:31 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:30 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:27 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:25 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:23 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:22 pm What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

Read her posts. She's made a remarkable contribution this RD, 1 post! Top marks, fo sho

I read them. The concern is that Lisa has one post this phase and that means she's a bad student? I find that less than compelling evidence.

You're a lousy educator if you think that attendance isn't an important factor in a student's success.

From my experience, attendance is the easiest thing to fake.

Nope. Orgasms.


C'mon dude, erry'body knows that.

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:40 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:38 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:03 pm I'm good to wagon against Lisa. I know my flip, so the wagon race against Lisa should be telling.



By the by, I am Vanilla. Book it.

Telling what exactly?

I feel like I'm an easy wagon for scum to push. If I get mislynched over Lisa, welp, then take a look at my wagoneers

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:56 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:25 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:23 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:22 pm What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

Read her posts. She's made a remarkable contribution this RD, 1 post! Top marks, fo sho

I read them. The concern is that Lisa has one post this phase and that means she's a bad student? I find that less than compelling evidence.

She was the second wagon and has been suspected before her absence this phase. Being inactive isn't really one of the reasons.

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:59 pm Did ever Skinner reveal result today?

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:50 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:59 pm Did ever Skinner reveal result today?

Were you expecting something from me?

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:53 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:52 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:50 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:59 pm Did ever Skinner reveal result today?

Were you expecting something from me?

I don't know why this question exists. I'm as vanilla as they come.

So you rescind your slot's claim?

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:55 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:54 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:53 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:52 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:50 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:59 pm Did ever Skinner reveal result today?

Were you expecting something from me?

I don't know why this question exists. I'm as vanilla as they come.

So you rescind your slot's claim?

I don't read slot's claim.

What did slots claim?

Can slots claim?

Your predecessor claimed doc

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:56 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:54 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:53 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:52 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:50 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:59 pm Did ever Skinner reveal result today?

Were you expecting something from me?

I don't know why this question exists. I'm as vanilla as they come.

So you rescind your slot's claim?

I don't read slot's claim.

What did slots claim?

Can slots claim?

You really didn't read the game, at least read your own Iso

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:58 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:55 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:54 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:53 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:52 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:50 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:59 pm Did ever Skinner reveal result today?

Were you expecting something from me?

I don't know why this question exists. I'm as vanilla as they come.

So you rescind your slot's claim?

I don't read slot's claim.

What did slots claim?

Can slots claim?

Your predecessor claimed doc

I could swear it was tracker, is my memory bad?

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:39 am It's probably too convenient but I've pretty much flipped completely. None of my scum reads have been scum so far. I'm batting .000, and seriously believe there's wolves in the Krusty, Burns, Allison world. Throw Gramps in there too, but he and Grumple are part of my old scum reads and given where were at I've been seeing thing poorly.

[VOTE: Krusty] aubergine

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:44 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:36 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:08 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:39 pm Earlier in the game I posted about seeing a world where Burns and Allison are w/w and you guys gave me shit for "associative reads" or something.
Well I'm seeing that world again and don't care that you guys hate me exploring worlds.
Also, I'll have to ISO to confirm, but I don't think Krusty has questioned Allison or Burns and by this point in the game Krusty would have normally questioned everyone and gone back for some follow up.
Now he didn't get salty the last time I circled back on him, but I think he's learned not to lash out when scum.
Another thing with Krusty is that when hes town his reads are never this bad, however I have seen him go full on open wolf and just jump on any convenient town wagon night after night.
Hes bold like that.

Are you talking about me voting for Lisa last RD to save myself from a mislynch?



Brilliant detective work there. Taters gonna tater.

Lol what? That wasn't a dying minutes self pres vote. You were on Lisa pretty early fwir.

But I agree nonetheless, taters gonna tate

I jumped back and forth from a few wagons. It was def a self pres vote, look at the numbers

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:03 pm Lisa's post count is way off her D1 & D2, she's contributed 1 post so far D3. I'd like to see a Lisa vs Burns wagon, soooooooo

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:18 pm When CBG gained momentum D2, Lisa was set up as a counterwagon. Her being a counterwagon to town made me think she was scum using CBG's wagon as a shield. Now we have a Krusty wagon materializing out of thin air EOD3 to counterwagon Lisa. Feels like a repeat on Day 2. I'm leaning towards Krusty town. The wagon on him feels too easy and there's too much consensus and too little resistance in a game where all the easy wagons have flipped green.

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:27 pm Okay, slightly out of character post because I couldn't think of a good way to stay in character while writing this.

Lisa's probably my strongest townread right now. (And not just because she's my best friend.) I've got good feelings about Comic Book Guy and Marge. I would probably townread Otto more if I didn't suspect he was Nanook, in which case this entrance is probably totally NAI for him.

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:48 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:45 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:33 pm Oh, so you aren't nanook. Given that I thought you were though, the two of you seem like you'd click together. And I actually think OMGUS is town indicative because town is more likely to feel indignant about being wrongly voted and/or suspect that they're being falsely accused by mafia. Scum is like, "well, they caught me, how can I get them off my back?". Obviously it's not a super strong read since it's so easy to fake OMGUS/indignation, but in a vacuum it's slightly townie and nothing I'd scumread someone off.

I posted that before reading that Comic Book Guy was just fishing for reactions though.

I like bait votes.
CBG and Krusty both seemed like decent odds at town, was hoping for a wolfy entrance vote from one of the slank.
C'est la vie

Yeah, Lisa coming in and going "both of you are town" was what made me townread her. Her entrance felt pretty comfortable too. What do you think about Bart?

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:31 am Re: Bart's push on me. No, I'm not twisting your words. I interpreted them in the most commonsensical way. Others have said the same thing, that they found the discrepancy odd. I think you are going out of your way to try to find nits to pick at the point where you say that you found me waiting for Skinner townie but suspect that Skinner is my scumbuddy. Do you scumread Skinner? Why would you jump to that conclusion?

Marge: I don't think Lisa's read is TMI any more than any early game read is TMI. I thought the squabbling between the two of them based on getting/not getting a joke was pretty silly, and the stubborn/indignant way they pursued the convo was a good look. (Town are more likely to get stuck on something small and inconsequential early, scum tend to want to appease people and go along with the flow.) Lisa coming in and (successfully) breaking up the argument while calling both of them town matched my sentiments on the topic, and she could have easily let the argument spiral if she was scum. I townread her for that.

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:39 pm Here's where I'm at right now:

I think Marge is town. I think Burns is town. Grampa's recent posts have made me doubt my scumread on him a bit. I feel like the thread is descending into an orgy of people nitpicking stuff about each other's posts and/or getting super defensive and lashing out when their own posts gets nitpicked. I think there's a decent number of people active lurking, eating popcorn, and watching the town tear each other into shreds.

I am currently more in favor of putting pressure on inactive people to contribute. I do not agree with Burns that Milhouse coming in to post some random read salad without any explanations or serious pushes is a townie entrance. I'm am concerned that Skinner and Hugh are still AWOL. I am also concerned that Ned Flanders has had three posts the entire day, scumread Burns early on, and then dropped a vote on him without any announcement, after Marge pushed Burns. (If you check the poll you will see that Flanders voted Burns after Marge and Homer voted, even though his suspicion on Burns purportedly came long before.) I do not know what Flanders' progression on the game is or why he is drive by voting Burns at a very convenient timing without saying anything.

So those four are my POE. I trust Otto, Marge, Burns, Grumple and Krusty. I am willing to accept Marge + Homer's testimony that they know who Bart is and that his behavior this game strongly indicates that he is town. I started off with an early Lisa townread, but she has since fallen off. So my 5 townreads + tentatively Bart is my townpool for today. Everyone else who isn't directly in the POE or in my townpool is somewhere in the middle.

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:22 pm CBG's responses have really irked me. I think he's going for a TWTBAW strategy. He's trying to give off an aura of not giving a fuck but his overly flippant attitude feels OTT. I think he's just scum here, maybe even trying his best to anti-spew so as to deny us associative reads.

Bart is probably town here as well. Marge not appearing today has me slightly concerned but I had her as strong town yesterday and I still trust her.

I think I'm on Bart, Grumple, Otto, Hugh, Krusty, Marge, Burns and Skinner as town.

POE is Lisa, Homer, CBG.

I doubt the game is as easy as all three of them being scum but I would be pretty unsurprised if there was 2 scum in that pool. My townreads all look good to me and I'd like to think my reads are good enough that there aren't 2 or more wolves slipping into my town list.

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:34 pm

Lisa Simpson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:52 pm

Lisa Simpson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:47 pm Is it me or does it feel like Grumple fell down a flight of stairs in the middle of D1

He seems to know what a player salad is but doesn't know what TR means. Just seems odd to me. I don't know why one would fake it though but just putting this down since i noticed alot of his posts D2 are just asking about terminology.

This is a huge reach.

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:33 pm actually I want to push here and see what happens.

[VOTE: Grumple] aubergine

Grumple has been towncored without being townread. Nobody seriously suspects him, but nobody explicitly townreads him either. It's a lot easier to ignore your wolf teammates who aren't under suspicion than stir up controversy about them. I'm actually wondering if Grumple/Otto/X teams are possible.

My biggest gripe with Otto is that he appears way too confident and unmoving on his krusty vote despite having voted wrong for the past few days. I think all townies are feeling a bit or a lot of doubt and disappointment in their game so far and it is weird to me that Otto would just plough straight ahead onto exeing someone so early in the day seemingly uber confidently.

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:53 pm CBG sitting at 2 votes after half the game expresses suspicion on him and verbally agrees that he's probably the best vote for today is stinky. I think his teammates are trying to have their cake and eat it too by saying they scumread CBG so they get cred if he flips red, but in reality vote elsewhere so he doesn't die. LC was caught with this pattern in Grasslands Mafia. If CBG is town I'd expect the wolves to be piling on him for their free misexe because he's determined to make himself look bad. But all I see on his wagon are tumbleweeds.

Lisa especially seems to be going out of her way to cast shade on everyone but CBG. Grampa voted Homer over CBG after saying CBG was scummier earlier, and is tight-lipped about why.

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:09 pm

Comic Book Guy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:06 pm [VOTE: Lisa Simpson] aubergine

This is the worst attempt at last-minute distancing I have seen in my entire life.

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:42 am Marge gloating about correctly townreading Homer is pretty townie I think. As much as I was annoyed with Krusty for his scumread on me I think it's probably >rand town in that he was pretty keyed up/unhappy with the gamestate and aggro towards people he perceived as wolf, where I think wolves would take a softer approach towards the game right now with a bad start for town and a couple of players with low activity. Burns looks good for similar reasons.

Lisa's posts today have been pretty meh. I don't like that her only post D3 is a self-defense post complaining about being scumread rather than offering any takes of her own. [VOTE: Lisa] aubergine

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:50 am

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:29 am It's pretty clear to me that we expel Alison Taylor.

For...being wolf Krusty's packmate?

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:59 am Lemme guess Skinner, your next move is "Burns must be Allison's packmate since she must be Krusty's packmate, so let's chop Burns."

I just think preflip associations are cards to build a house from. If you think w!Allison was protecting w!Krusty doesn't flipping Krusty seem like the move?