The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:27 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:17 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:10 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:28 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:59 pm every game Dom has been in with me, he ended up being inactive so this is actually the first time I get to play with him and I'm not at all familiar with his meta. from what I have heard, this seems to be Dom being Dom.

But your vote is currently on him.

Weird how I was inactive and people discussed my meta.

I'll elaborate on this.

She's heard of my meta in games I never really played in? Really, my meta came up?

suspect af. who in btsc gave you an idea of my meta?

nah you were compared to other players to me in discord in the past when we were OT discussing prolific Syndicate mafia players.

Dom has been mentioned 142 times in Discord, and none of those were comparisons to you.

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:10 pm

sig has been lynched. He was:

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Themistocles



Themistocles is a legend among the Greeks, and for good reason. He was a brilliant politician, tactician, and diplomat. I often balk when historians or enthusiasts attribute immense influence or credit to individual people, as it can be so easily overstated. In the case of Themistocles though, it is hard to deny the truth. He is probably my favorite person in history period. If time permits later in the night phase I will share a little more about him. It will be for flavor and theme and unrelated to game matters.

Night 1 begins now. You have 23 hours to send me your night actions, and the phase will end an hour later. The thread has been unlocked.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:38 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:46 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:52 am wolbre04 When you get the chance what do you think of the Golden, MP, Mac, and Dunya?

D1 is purely conjecture on my part until someone does something overly messy to me, but Golden and Mac seem to be interested in leading the pack and being outspoken
This is fine of course, but the later the game goes, the more I consider whether they are just leading us right into the fire

"The later the game goes the more I consider whether" means you are assured you will be around later to act on this seed.

And the fire is not dangerous if you cannot be led to it.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm Dunya was really helpful, but basically a neutral leaning town

dunya has not been helpful, and you two are teammates.

[VOTE: wolbre04] aubergine

Dunham seems helpful to me and seems level headed. I just don't really understand your playstyle but then again, I'm not a veteran here. Not really sure why you jumped at me (?)
We are teammates, I'm sure she's town as well
[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:39 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:35 pm Sounds like an Epi voter kill to me. They almost lynched someone it's typically very difficult to lynch so they offed him out of frustration.

Meh. I think killing Epi links it to no one. That’s the only basis for the kill to me, as well as avoiding the doctor (I think there is one of those in this game). Like, he’s the one of the least obvious kill choices mafi would make.

Also why would they be “frustrated”? It’s not like he was making waves in the civ department.

I don’t yet like your entrance, Quin

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:46 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:35 pm Sounds like an Epi voter kill to me. They almost lynched someone it's typically very difficult to lynch so they offed him out of frustration.

How many mafias get frustrated Night 1 after a townie lynch?

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:57 pm Quin

Hi man

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:41 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:46 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:35 pm Sounds like an Epi voter kill to me. They almost lynched someone it's typically very difficult to lynch so they offed him out of frustration.

How many mafias get frustrated Night 1 after a townie lynch?

how many mafias avoid spontaneous decisions on night 1?

What are you trying to say?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:42 am

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:35 pm Sounds like an Epi voter kill to me. They almost lynched someone it's typically very difficult to lynch so they offed him out of frustration.

what?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:21 am also, how much have you read? are you generally caught up

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:01 pm @M Plus 7 - catch!

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:11 am Sloonei
Colin
LC
Luna (changed read for me)

These four read quite team-compatible to me. Lots of links between their behaviours that could make sense. I’ll elaborate when I get time but generally pressed for time on long explanations right now - but anyone else who feels like grabbing the ball, I think this is a good set of four to examine in the collective.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:48 am OK so like, some random case-ish but not actually case thoughts on my proposed solution to the game.

I'm looking forward to sloonei saying his stuff on me because I always get a better read of how genuine people are being when they are talking about their perceptions of me. In any event, I agree entirely with Marmot that sloonei has been a little cautious in his reaction to my suspicion, almost like he's dodging dealing with me. I don't like.

There's quite a few things I don't like about the sloonster actually - he feels right off the mark, and I don't think it's just 'busy'. I think his 'energy' to 'content' ratio is off kilter. I really dislike his Nova vote. So much of this is gut but my gut is screaming.

Sloonei's voted for Colin in a way that feels out of context. Colin voted for Lunalee in a way that felt meaningless. LC has soft defended Colin and Sloonei. Lunalee seems to be tunneling on me which I don't object to so much in principle except it feels like there's not much there for how sustained it is. The suspicion started just after I called out LC, having already called out Sloonei. If Luna is bad, she's first time bad, and this is the kind of subtle misstep I could see someone making in their first time out. Nothing big, just a little timing. Basically I'm proposing a good chunk of distancing plus a good bit of whatever the opposite of distancing is.

Besides that, the overall interactions between the lot don't fill me with much confidence. There's plenty in there (like the soft defences), but even little interactions like this make me tingle a bit:

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:44 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:42 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:38 pm Golden, GTH, is LC bad?

WORST, this is the worst, seriously you are so bad, Golden already suspects me and voted for me so let's ask the crowd what the purpose of your post here REALLY is

Excuse me but Golden is voting for me.

Hey, I saw him first!

But I refer to a past vote.

That's my thoughts. I'm leaving this here and going to bed.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:29 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:20 am im voting colin because i still don't have an answer to as why sloonei's colin vote look bad (it doesn't)

Sorry I must have missed where that was questionable?

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:57 pm Quin

Hi man

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:55 am Quin just to be clear you are calling Golden out on the illogical progression of his read on Long Con going from bad to good to bad with an insignificant explanation as to why?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:58 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:55 am Quin just to be clear you are calling Golden out on the illogical progression of his read on Long Con going from bad to good to bad with an insignificant explanation as to why?

That's the leadingest question ever.

Never mind, I see why. Sorry, just woke up.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:02 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:00 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:58 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:55 am Quin just to be clear you are calling Golden out on the illogical progression of his read on Long Con going from bad to good to bad with an insignificant explanation as to why?

That's the leadingest question ever.

Never mind, I see why. Sorry, just woke up.

well don't leave me out

What the fuck is going on?

You made case.
Case was formatted with quotes and snark.
I put it into plain words and asked if that's what you meant.
Long Con said I was leading you into something.
You said that I was correct in what I was saying (more or less).
Long Con realised that I was in fact not leading you into anything.
You are confused how?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:05 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:04 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:02 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:00 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:58 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:55 am Quin just to be clear you are calling Golden out on the illogical progression of his read on Long Con going from bad to good to bad with an insignificant explanation as to why?

That's the leadingest question ever.

Never mind, I see why. Sorry, just woke up.

well don't leave me out

What the fuck is going on?

You made case.
Case was formatted with quotes and snark.
I put it into plain words and asked if that's what you meant.
Long Con said I was leading you into something.
You said that I was correct in what I was saying (more or less).
Long Con realised that I was in fact not leading you into anything.
You are confused how?

sounded like lc was confirming that you were leading me on but was aware of why. i just wanted to feel included.

tell me what you think about my post.

You still haven't responded to my questioning who found Sloonei's Long Con vote weird and/or whether you were mistaking that for Colin's vote.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:58 am

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:55 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:37 am dunya
Dom
novaselinenever
Scotty
Marmot
Turnip Head
M Plus 7
Golden
Choutas
speedchuck
Kylemii
Jackofhearts2005
quin
Spacedaisy
wolbre04
Lunalee
colonialbob
Long Con
Sloonei
ColinIsCool

Just for you Nova.

The highlights.

I am confident that was a townslip by dunya.
Marmot doesn't kill Epi night one.
Scotty is consistently saying things that make sense to me.
I like Nova's effort.
Turnip Head dropped a bit because I have concerns about his effort.
Golden is mixing me up with the fact that we share lots of opinions but he is just persistently pinging me
MP7 gets less pingy the more sustained his presence is. Every time he disappears and reappears he goes through another cycle of pinging me.
I just gut read Choutas as town. His posts seem genuine.
Very null on those speedchuck through spacedaisy. Bet your ass there are scum laying low in there, especially since every single one of them can do way better than they are. Coasters.
wolbre would be lower but I am using discretion based on him being new to presume I am pinged by him for that reason.
Lunalee is a ping machine.
Colonialbob has pinged me since he entered the game.
Colin drops below Sloonei because I think it's possible Wolbre infoslipped on him. Long Con is above them because of the three he has had the most scum hunting effort shown and I kinda liked his back and forth with Dom.

Are you implying that I outed him as a teammate? I'm not sure what you're trying to say aside from the surface of Sloon I can provide

No I think there is a chance that you have info on him and then blatantly said you did and have backtracked since then when someone pointed out it was against the rules.

Oh lol
I think Colin's team simply doesn't have the energy or motivation to try and dig him out of the wagon pit without doing something brash tbh.
The longer this game has gone on the less I dislike Slooneis play. Not that I necessarily LIKE it more, but it's shifted itself away from a gut read scum to a somewhat educated null (maybe leaning scum slightly?)
I don't really know if I can soundly say I think Quin is maybe a scum because they mentioned that they had limited time and were behind and catching up (They may just be responding as they go?)
Long Con: is this you

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:17 amWhat about ika??

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:18 am

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:15 am Something that terrifies me is I have almost the same number of posts as Mac.

I did note you have been a hell of a lot more active in this game than the recent few I observed. Why is that?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:19 am Quin why did Wolbre single you out for a read just to explain to us that he can't single you out as scum? Is it because you are teammates and he is clumsily outing you and himself?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:20 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:19 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:18 am

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:15 am Something that terrifies me is I have almost the same number of posts as Mac.

I did note you have been a hell of a lot more active in this game than the recent few I observed. Why is that?

gonna stop you right there. dom supatowned all through night vale as a townie. he's got the chops for it.

Read bolded.

What is Night Vale? When was it? Why did you leap on this?

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:52 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:45 am golden did you respond to my post where i shit all over your long con read evolution?

Yep but you won’t like it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:52 pm Kites never mentioned Colin.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:25 pm I looked at both of Sloonei's votes (in ISO, mind so idk about timing) and have no idea what "out of context" means. Day 1, he puts down a pressure vote on Colin and moves it later. I wouldn't expect him to leave it. Nothing out of the ordinary there. Day 3 he voted Colin after a criticism of his vote. What am I missing?

Quin (holy shit it feels good to be able to actually type his name again, no more Kwin for me) doesn't suspect me for my Day 1 vote of Colin. Thank you quin.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:20 am im voting colin because i still don't have an answer to as why sloonei's colin vote look bad (it doesn't)

He joins the Colin bandwagon, though it seems more in defense of me than out of suspicion against Colin. I appreciate that, and given that Quin is a newcomer with a blank slate I like this look. If he's bad there's enough ammunition for him to pin a vote on me, and Quin has a history of suspecting me hard in games so it wouldn't even be particularly alarming. Townie point for Quin, absolutely no favoritism due to him being my only supporter in the thread.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:34 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:29 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:20 am im voting colin because i still don't have an answer to as why sloonei's colin vote look bad (it doesn't)

Sorry I must have missed where that was questionable?

i wasn't around when it went down to have the same sense of whatevertermyouwouldusetodescribeaneventofsignificanceinthiscontext as everyone else. i'm calling things as i see them and i'm calling that sloonei's vote isn't suspicious and people acting like colin and sloonei are sure things is making me flip out.

Wrapped up in a larger point here is that Quin does not think Colin is a sure thing. But he voted for him on a day when there were really only 2 options. Still, I'm not actually seeing a stance on Colin from Quin. Somewhat understandable given his late arrival to this game, and I appreciate that Quin was not afraid to involve himself in the action right away. But his vote, again, was more of a defense of me than a suspicion of Colin. @Quin what were your thoughts on Colin as Day 2 unfolded?

Lean town on Quin.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:26 am This is the gif I meant to use

Golden wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 1:55 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 1:09 am @Golden, I miss you! Wanna come play mafia?

The next two weeks are pretty much a living hell for me, posting will be much reduced through 18 May. But I’ll catch up here and there when I can.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:06 pmSo at what point do we lynch wolbre/Sloonei/Quin to determine if they sided with the mafia

we don't actually have to lynch the Hellboys to win do we? regardless of their alignment

even if all three sided with the Persians wouldn't the game still end once we lynch all 4 of the bad boys?

also, why quin? did i miss s/t

Golden wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 4:45 am [VOTE: Novaselinever] aubergine

I caught Colin red handed voting off wagon. The most likely reason for it is protection of someone or defence of Luna. Either could be possible, but I'm leaning toward protection right now.

This is a fairly uninformed read right now, so it's more of a signpost of my thoughts.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 6:55 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 2:11 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:44 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:58 am [VOTE: nova ] aubergine the case on them is uninspiring and honestly i can't tell their alignment, but I'd rather we not lynch epi or dunya and novq has from my memory coasted through entire games as mafia on NF.

This feels like a forced vote. Earlier when you mentioned me, you said that I was playing my Town meta by being quiet but now it's opposite. Which is it then ?

Here we can get a glimpse from what appears to be sig calling him out on “coasting” as mafia previously, though nova sticks that up sig’a ass with a stick to smoke.

I don’t know his meta, but one could say nova has been “coasting” of late. After Colin got lynched, he’s definitely lost a bit of wind in his sails

I have been busy and I missed almost the entirety of D3 and the beginning of D4. I will also not have a lot of free-time until this weekend.

About D3, I announced my intention of pushing Lunalee before Colin's push since I believed that his vote for her D1 was a distancing vote on one of his teammate. A meaningless off-wagon vote. I also didn't like how she jumped on the Oracle's prophecy and tried to confirm herself with it, while ignoring my questioning her. That's why I left a vote on her at the start of D3, before leaving.

Now with the other prophecy mentioning her and town-reading her, I have my doubts and I think she is that role. She used the prophecy to save herself and hinting at her role. So I'm not too sold on lynching her today.

Last but not least, I would say that activity is non-alignment indicative for me. I'm being honest here and I've played several games here and players can attest to that. I have been seen " coasting " as Town in my previous games as Town here, and also in a game as scum.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:32 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:26 am Colin's vote came across as genuine suspicion (or as close to genuine as scum can get) which makes me think he was trying to get a train going. Good look for her.

I thought she looked bad after her LC vote yesterday or the day before. Him being good, not so much. I might have the energy for a proper ISO tonight.

What about the timing of it though ? It was with I think less than 10mn left, so I doubt he was trying to get a train going.

What are your thoughts on SpaceDaisy ? My vote is currently on her and we had an interaction earlier tonight;

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:54 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 12:24 am

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 12:20 am

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 12:20 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 11:45 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:06 pm So at what point do we lynch wolbre/Sloonei/Quin to determine if they sided with the mafia

We still need to eliminate mafia sooooo I'm focusing on that for now.

Fffffffff
I'm not indie I swear!

And if I was indie, I sure as hell wouldn't side with mafia, at least with town I start as town and finish as one

You sure about that ? I remember Sig saying that he wouldn't be surprised if you sided with Mafia as an Indie, just for the fun of it.

Sig hasn't played enough with me to make a statement like that lol. Plus especially considering that the mafia wouldn't have a chat with me means that I could very well get killed, all for nothing

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:49 am

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:30 am Welcome wolbre, nice to meet you.

Thank you <3

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:27 am wolbre04, I look forward to seeing your reads!

also, do you think sig represented you accurately in the blurb below?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:52 pm Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

Yeah that's pretty accurate. My first game of mafia ever on a forum was about five months ago, so I'm still learning steadily. I have never gotten mafia before but I won my second game ever as Serial Killer. I don't know if I can make a joke about the last sentence as it might be against the rules and I don't want to get killed immediately haha. But I don't really have a meta because I'm all over the place

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 7:12 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:04 am

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:54 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 12:24 am

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 12:20 am

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 12:20 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 11:45 pm

We still need to eliminate mafia sooooo I'm focusing on that for now.

Fffffffff
I'm not indie I swear!

And if I was indie, I sure as hell wouldn't side with mafia, at least with town I start as town and finish as one

You sure about that ? I remember Sig saying that he wouldn't be surprised if you sided with Mafia as an Indie, just for the fun of it.

Sig hasn't played enough with me to make a statement like that lol. Plus especially considering that the mafia wouldn't have a chat with me means that I could very well get killed, all for nothing

Doesn't line up.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:49 am

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:30 am Welcome wolbre, nice to meet you.

Thank you <3

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:27 am wolbre04, I look forward to seeing your reads!

also, do you think sig represented you accurately in the blurb below?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:52 pm Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

Yeah that's pretty accurate. My first game of mafia ever on a forum was about five months ago, so I'm still learning steadily. I have never gotten mafia before but I won my second game ever as Serial Killer. I don't know if I can make a joke about the last sentence as it might be against the rules and I don't want to get killed immediately haha. But I don't really have a meta because I'm all over the place

What does this make you think about wolbre?

Golden wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:54 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:27 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:22 pm actually, I don't want to be reason of a SD lynch based on an emotional post. if I have to vote Choutas to tie it up, I will.

I'm not in good shape this lynch day.

You would rather force a tie? That's the worst idea I've heard of.

There's nothing particularly wrong with a tie. If someone who is civ has 6 votes and someone who is bad has 5 votes, the civ will be lynched. If both have 6, there's a 50% chance that the baddie is lynched.