The Syndicate

I forget how to play mafia. Someone remind me.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:06 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:36 pm I forget how to play mafia. Someone remind me.
Well you generally try to figure out who is bad, and then lynch them.

Oh, right.
[VOTE: lunalee] aubergine... eventually.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:42 pm If the Cleveland Browns can win a football game, then we can win a Mafia game. We're better than the Cleveland Browns, right?

Who’s “we”?

I think I’d prefer to lose this one, actually.

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:28 pmhi

Hello. We have not played together. Tell me about yourself.

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:06 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:28 pmhi
Hello. We have not played together. Tell me about yourself.
Pleased to meet you.

Umm, I'm a 20 year old guy who isn't very interesting.

Yourself?

I am an exceedingly interesting 26 year old male.

What’s your deal in the game of mafia?

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:45 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:06 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:28 pmhi
Hello. We have not played together. Tell me about yourself.
Pleased to meet you.

Umm, I'm a 20 year old guy who isn't very interesting.

Yourself?
I am an exceedingly interesting 26 year old male.

What’s your deal in the game of mafia?
Well consider my interest piqued!

What do you mean by 'deal''?

What's your playstyle? Where do you come from? How long have you been playing? What do you look for when you're playing?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:58 pm Day 1! Are we getting serious now?

I promised to vote for lunalee, so I did that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:03 am It's the sort of thing Jay looks back at later when one of you flips and gives the other town points. Sloonei seeding wifom for later.

This post is very dumb.

I forbid you all from lynching me.

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:32 am I'm not really sure how to describe my playstyle. I tend to interrogate people a lot, and my intuition has often proven to be pretty strong.

I come from a community I've been a part of ever since I was 12 or so, I've grown up alongside the people there and got some close friends there

I've been playing forum mafia for about two and a half years

I read posts and listen to what my intuition tells me about them, so I don't really actively look for anything specific, I just let my reads come to me -but obviously ultimately I'm looking for scum, even if I'm scum myself I try to trick myself into genuinely looking for scum but I have a difficult time doing that. And of course I look for fun!

What about yourself?

The Syndicate has been my mafia home for a while now, but I branch out from time to time. I haven't played in a while and this is my first game back.

Typically I ask lots of questions and try to make things happen so that I can get a better understanding of what's going on in everyone's head. If a person doesn't make sense to me, they're a suspect until they start making sense.
I throw votes around like candy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:11 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:03 am It's the sort of thing Jay looks back at later when one of you flips and gives the other town points. Sloonei seeding wifom for later.
This post is very dumb.
So you wouldn't do that?

I would. But if I'm town I am also going to get to know the folks I've never played with before.

linki: stop posting so much.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:23 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:22 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:11 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:03 am It's the sort of thing Jay looks back at later when one of you flips and gives the other town points. Sloonei seeding wifom for later.
This post is very dumb.
So you wouldn't do that?
I would. But if I'm town I am also going to get to know the folks I've never played with before.

linki: stop posting so much.
If you're town? If? Are you unsure?

Yup.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:27 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:26 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:23 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:22 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:11 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:03 am It's the sort of thing Jay looks back at later when one of you flips and gives the other town points. Sloonei seeding wifom for later.
This post is very dumb.
So you wouldn't do that?
I would. But if I'm town I am also going to get to know the folks I've never played with before.

linki: stop posting so much.
If you're town? If? Are you unsure?
Yup.
How so?

Who's to say that any of this is real? What evidence is there that I'm not, at my very core as a human being, anti-town?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:21 am Sloonei you egg why is my post dumb?

Because this is Intro to Sloonei 101 behavior, if that wasn't clear by now. [mention]Quin[/mention] asked for a follow up too. Asking questions is my bag, baby.

and i called it dumb because i needed to convey a strong aura in swatting away the Day 1 mudfling.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:39 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:38 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:21 am Sloonei you egg why is my post dumb?
Because this is Intro to Sloonei 101 behavior, if that wasn't clear by now. @Quin asked for a follow up too. Asking questions is my bag, baby.

and i called it dumb because i needed to convey a strong aura in swatting away the Day 1 mudfling.
So Sloonei doing Sloonei things means we should just civ read you? You'd like dat wouldn't ya.

I would. Can you please?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:40 am oh lordie, mister paprika over here needed to "convey a strong aura" give me a break

It was either that or pee on Mac's carpet.

I'd watch a Big Lebowski remake staring Mac. The Big Macdougall.

How many bad robots do we think there are?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:17 pm It was a nice quiet Day 0. Nothing happened.

Jay said this, which can mean one of two things:
Something happened to him on Day 0
OR
Nothing happened to him on Day 0.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:36 pm I forget how to play mafia. Someone remind me.
Scumread.

Jack threw a scumread on me for a post I made before I had an alignment. I assume he did the same for others.

This gives me a townread on Jack.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:52 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:36 pm I forget how to play mafia. Someone remind me.
Scumread.
Jack threw a scumread on me for a post I made before I had an alignment. I assume he did the same for others.

This gives me a townread on Jack.
Jack isn't the recruiter. I'll say that. I don't know about the rest of it since he may not have had an alignment at the time himself.

We were well into Day 1 when he started throwing these posts around. He had an alignment.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:54 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:50 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:17 pm It was a nice quiet Day 0. Nothing happened.
Jay said this, which can mean one of two things:
Something happened to him on Day 0
OR
Nothing happened to him on Day 0.
Very conclusive. Thanks.

Which do you think it is?

I absolutely should not be awake right now, by the way.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:59 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:58 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:52 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:36 pm I forget how to play mafia. Someone remind me.
Scumread.
Jack threw a scumread on me for a post I made before I had an alignment. I assume he did the same for others.

This gives me a townread on Jack.
Jack isn't the recruiter. I'll say that. I don't know about the rest of it since he may not have had an alignment at the time himself.
We were well into Day 1 when he started throwing these posts around. He had an alignment.
Take it back then. I assumed it happened during Day 0. What do you mean by not having an alignment during Day 1 then?

I said nothing about not having an alignment Day 1.

Jack, on Day 1, gave me a scumread based on a post I made on Day 0.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:00 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:58 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:54 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:50 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:17 pm It was a nice quiet Day 0. Nothing happened.
Jay said this, which can mean one of two things:
Something happened to him on Day 0
OR
Nothing happened to him on Day 0.
Very conclusive. Thanks.
Which do you think it is?
The latter.

Me too. But, like.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:04 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:02 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:59 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:58 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:52 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:02 am
Scumread.
Jack threw a scumread on me for a post I made before I had an alignment. I assume he did the same for others.

This gives me a townread on Jack.
Jack isn't the recruiter. I'll say that. I don't know about the rest of it since he may not have had an alignment at the time himself.
We were well into Day 1 when he started throwing these posts around. He had an alignment.
Take it back then. I assumed it happened during Day 0. What do you mean by not having an alignment during Day 1 then?
I said nothing about not having an alignment Day 1.

Jack, on Day 1, gave me a scumread based on a post I made on Day 0.
Okay. I get you now. Do you think it was just townie ignorance then?

I do.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:08 am stop turning my post into spaghetti-bendy stughetti. i meant nothing happened in the thread.

I'll do whatever I want to do.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:30 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:47 am How many bad robots do we think there are?
Good way of look at whether people read the rules or not.

This isn't a closed setup, dude. It's an open setup with most details hidden.

So how many bad robots are there?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:21 pm Also, lynching speedchuck on day one is just straight up lazy. Come on people, we can do better than that.

I agree that things ought to be shaken up. Let's see where your Long Con thing takes us.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

[mention]Bullzeye[/mention]'s big catch-up post just now establishes his presence in this game, but it doesn't offer much in terms of content. Do you have any reads or thoughts about any specific players in the game yet, Bullzeye?
welcome back

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:28 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:21 pm Also, lynching speedchuck on day one is just straight up lazy. Come on people, we can do better than that.
I agree that things ought to be shaken up. Let's see where your Long Con thing takes us.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
I thought you promised to vote for me today.

I did. And I voted for you. I would never dream of leaving my vote in one place on the first day. Yuck, that's boring.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:30 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.
I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.
Really? What games has he done this in, and was he town or mafia?

I'm only talking about this game specifically and the pattern you highlighted.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:38 pm Yes, I'm interested in hearing more about me, let's see this pattern.

What do you think of luna's post about you?

[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine. He swore to do two things: Get drunk and vote for [Turnip] Head. He got drunk, but I don't see a vote. I don't see anything else at all, actually.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:30 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.
I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.
I had thought about this as well but wasn't sure if it was worth bringing up. LC (in my opinion) is generally a smart player who wouldn't need to ask those kinds of questions. I've been bad with him once before in the Monty Python game where he basically carried our team to victory even after we lost two members super early and I got outed halfway through the game.

Is this to say LC wouldn't need to, or even be able to, feign ignorance like this on Day 1 of a game if he's bad?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:31 pm Bullzeye's big catch-up post just now establishes his presence in this game, but it doesn't offer much in terms of content. Do you have any reads or thoughts about any specific players in the game yet, Bullzeye?
welcome back
I take time to establish myself in games and one of the ways I try to get a good grip on everything is to just say unimportant stuff to get myself out there and work my way into conversations. As mentioned, I think the point about LC holds some weight. I would like to revisit some of the discussion around the recruitment mechanic from this morning, that could be interesting. Given that most players were neither baddies nor civs for the first 24 hours, people couldn't immediately start plotting and planting ideas to return to later like in normal games so I think this will force people to play differently. I have a point here but I'm struggling to find the words so I'll try to come back to it later.

I keep getting stuck in linki but I'm posting this anyway.

Any posts in particular that stand out to you? You're right about the Day 0 mechanic turning this into a bit of choppy start. We essentially played 24 hours where everyone was nothing. But I think things are happening now.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:54 pm Also, Sloonei, to your question of if I have thoughts about specific players. I didn't mention it explicitly when I quoted this post:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:17 am
Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:15 am Very initial first impression of the thread: Jay feels off, don't know why though
Probably trying to avoid the obvious conclusion that he was recruited.
But I found it a bit shifty. Something to keep an eye on.

Are you keeping an eye on Jack or Jay? Why?

No need to apologize if you feel you have rust to shake off, Bullzeye. That's going to be a natural feeling after such a long break. Also, don't let my interrogation do anything to discourage you! I just ask loads of questions and try to get things into the thread as thoroughly as possible for my own sake. you do you, I appreciate your input so far.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:03 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:59 pm
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:54 pm Also, Sloonei, to your question of if I have thoughts about specific players. I didn't mention it explicitly when I quoted this post:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:17 am
Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:15 am Very initial first impression of the thread: Jay feels off, don't know why though
Probably trying to avoid the obvious conclusion that he was recruited.
But I found it a bit shifty. Something to keep an eye on.
Are you keeping an eye on Jack or Jay? Why?
Jack. Because it's an "obvious conclusion" Jay would be a recruit. Sure, if the baddies were choosing players rather than roles they might like to pick someone with the reputation of Jay but that's not the case. It seems to me like something a baddie might say to cast doubt on someone they wanted rid of without having to go all out. Does that make sense?

It does. I came up with a different read on Jack based on some other behavior around this time, but I don't see any reason not to follow up on this line of though. Jack came in and started flinging lots of mud, but hasn't been around since. I'd like to hear his updated thoughts on things.

I never suspected you, Long Con. I just wanted to make conversation happen.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:00 pm I never suspected you, Long Con. I just wanted to make conversation happen.
Why didn't you ever suspect Long Con?

Because I just saw him as a player working on his understanding of the game and/or trying to get others involved.

I encouraged discussion of luna’s points about him because I wanted there to be a new avenue for the conversation to flow in. The posts she highlighted did reflect a pattern, so I didn’t want to deny the discussion of them. I don’t find the pattern suspicious at this time.

As to my ignorance of the mafia team size: I read the setup months ago when we were voting on the full game queue. I knew recruitment was involved, but forgot the major details. To refresh myself, I only read Wily’s role description, which makes no mention of the number of recruits he will have.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:08 pm i just don’t know about you sloobei

What would you like to know?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:18 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:30 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:47 am How many bad robots do we think there are?
Good way of look at whether people read the rules or not.

This isn't a closed setup, dude. It's an open setup with most details hidden.
So how many bad robots are there?
Hottake: Only one scummed is pretending to not know how this game works and it’s probably this guy.

Cool this take off.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:08 pm i just don’t know about you sloobei
What would you like to know?
are you trying to do good sloonei things or to look like a good sloonei thing

both

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:16 pm Maybe it had nothing to do with Sloonei’s post.

Then what was it?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:51 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

why?

[mention]K-Ness[/mention] what's your first impression of the syndicate like so far?

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