The Syndicate

The Patriots would be the most vanilla champions.

G-man’s chocolate.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:33 am Sloonei voted for the Patriots. This guy.

YEAH BRO YOU GAWT A PROBLEM?

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:30 pm Let’s hope I don’t implode from playing two games at once because I’m a monkey brained fool.

Also Texas

Pre-emptive excuse for lack of participation. This man puts flavorful toppings on his ice cream.

[mention]WaywardSon[/mention]
[mention]MafiaMenace[/mention]

Hello. We’ve never played together before. What can you tell me about yourselves? Where else have you played? What’s your experience and general approach to the game?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:49 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:30 pm Let’s hope I don’t implode from playing two games at once because I’m a monkey brained fool.

Also Texas

Pre-emptive excuse for lack of participation. This man puts flavorful toppings on his ice cream.

Ice cream is a delicate thing that shouldn’t be blasphemies by toppings

The only acceptable one it a shake with oreos

I doubling down on the jokes, I see.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:47 pm I love and support all ice cream.

Where do you stand on frozen yogurt?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:20 pm I just drove straight through from Waco Texas to Cincinnati. I’m tired. I can’t look at the game until tomorrow, I apologize guys.

Lucky for you, literally nothing has happened yet.

I mean in this game. I'm almost certain that the cosmos has been an active entity for a time beyond my reckoning.

Why is the informal sense of 'literally' a bad look for me?

sprityo dropping a driveby self-vote.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:55 pm Would baddie g-man go fishing and then immediately compose a thorough-looking analysis of the first person to react? I could believe so.

I could also see a civilian G-man doing this.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:47 pm
The last sentence. How is it "not a good look" if he is just using it informally?

People are using the word "literally" to mean the exact opposite of what it means when we have plenty of other words in our vocabulary to serve as an intensifier. "Fucking" works well, I think.

And that's why it's a bad look. When people tell me their heads literally exploded, I look at them badly.

This is literally not an issue.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:07 pm There's only one MM around here, and it ain't MafiaMenance.

I was just looking at his profile this morning, he hasn’t been on since November

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:49 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:30 pm Let’s hope I don’t implode from playing two games at once because I’m a monkey brained fool.

Also Texas

Pre-emptive excuse for lack of participation. This man puts flavorful toppings on his ice cream.

Ice cream is a delicate thing that shouldn’t be blasphemies by toppings

The only acceptable one it a shake with oreos

i dunno about the self-vote, but I flung some poo flavored yogurt at sprityo and he responded with a too-casual joke that I didn’t like much.

What have I done?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:58 pm What have I done?

Literally destroyed the thread.

I'm done. I won't talk any further about any of this shit.

What would you like to talk about?

I think you called Jay bad earlier. What’s the deal with that?

What do we all think of sprityo then? He’s the one person who’d done something actually worth talking about in a mafia context.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:03 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:24 pm What do we all think of sprityo then? He’s the one person who’d done something actually worth talking about in a mafia context.

What'd he do? Make a joke?

Fuck outta here.

I give this answer an F.

Epi helped turn the thread into an off-topic debate about language. Epi was then antagonistic toward the resumption of gameplay without contributing any fresh reads or opinions himself. Epi is a bowl of chocolate ice cream.

i ain't gonna be here for no deadline and it seems we're not consolidating any votes. i'm having a panic attack.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:21 pm SMH grasping onto anything you can, I see.

What reads do you have so far?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:52 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:21 pm SMH grasping onto anything you can, I see.

What reads do you have so far?

none. This game has little substance. It feels like it is still Day 0.

Then what's wrong with grasping for things?

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:32 pm Looking back at his ISO, I don’t see enough shady talk join the Sloonei train. I also don’t see enough to warrant joining the Eloh train.

Does anyone else share my level of mistrust toward Nutella?

Epignosis train still waiting to depart from the station over here.

[VOTE: elohcin] aubergine

Self-preservation and for the sake of making things happen.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:16 pm [VOTE: elohcin] aubergine

Self-preservation and for the sake of making things happen.

This is bullshit-flavored froyo that melted on the sidewalk after a spoiled child who didn't deserve a treat dropped it and it oozed into the storm drain where Pennywise was hanging out and even he thought it was bad.

You can stop at "self-preservation."

You were not "making things happen."

You haven't been "making things happen."

And you will not be "making things happen" in the future.

So literally nothing happened as a result of my vote?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:21 pm A civilian who couldn't even be bothered to vote to save her own ass got lynched.

What did you make happen?

My survival. I also anticipated movement from nutella and G-man in response to my vote since they’d been sitting around looking confused for a while. But there apparently wasn’t enough time.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:25 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:21 pm A civilian who couldn't even be bothered to vote to save her own ass got lynched.

What did you make happen?

My survival. I also anticipated movement from nutella and G-man in response to my vote since they’d been sitting around looking confused for a while. But there apparently wasn’t enough time.

You already said that:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:16 pm [VOTE: elohcin] aubergine

Self-preservation and for the sake of making things happen.

Self-preservation is "my survival."

I don't fault anybody for that.

"Making things happen" is not "my survival."

You couldn't make things happen at any point the rest of the Day phase? You parked your vote on me and...that was it.

I have been and currently am at work.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:25 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:25 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:21 pm A civilian who couldn't even be bothered to vote to save her own ass got lynched.

What did you make happen?

My survival. I also anticipated movement from nutella and G-man in response to my vote since they’d been sitting around looking confused for a while. But there apparently wasn’t enough time.

Lame as Tom Brady’s haircut. You changed your vote with a minute left before the deadline. You didn’t even give us time for movement in response to your vote and you knew it. Anyone who does that with a minute left knows exactly what they’re doing- saving their skin in the snakiest of ways.

I wasn’t looking confused. Nobody was. Don’t make it off like we don’t know what to do without Sir Sloonei here to hold our hands and ‘make things happen.’ Your game sucks right now, and the more you post garbage reasoning like that only makes me more inclined to vote for you tomorrow.

Do me a favor and don’t flinch next time. Take your chances on the tie-breaker rather than relying on the Tuck Rule.

hell no. I’ll always vote to break a tie, especially when my ass is on the line.

I did mean to vote with more time on the clock though. That was work’s fault.

Kansas must have some serious beef with Tom Waits.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:14 am Here I am forgetting about EODs. I am a 19-year veteran former all-star riding the bench to provide "veteran leadership"

??? 19 year veterans are supposed to carry the team to a first round bye.

I am home now so I can explain myself a little more thoroughly.

I’d been keeping half an eye on the thread for the last hour or so of the day while running around at work. I saw that I was in a three-way tie with Jay and Eloh. I saw a few people listlessly kicking some tires, and I was anticipating that one or two of them would do somethink to shake up the poll. I still wanted Epi lynched, so I didn’t move my vote. I made a single post before my vote calling for more attention on him, but it seems to have been totally ignored.

As the clocking was winding down, so was the activity. Nothing was happening, so I put a vote on the candidate I objected to the least, which was Elohcin. I suppose it’s fair to criticize me for doing this too late in the day to allow for a proper response, but that was not my intention, and there was ample opportunity for anybody else to create a more clearly defined tally during the several hours leading up to that moment. Saving myself was top priority. Secondary to that was not allowing the lynch to be left to chance. Ties are not a good thing. They should alway be avoided.

I still suspect Epi and would like it if we could talk about that now.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:49 am Yes, please. Talk about that.

Well the whole “literally” argument could have just been a distraction ploy from somebody nefarious. You’re the participant who I’d find the likeliest to actively conspire to do a thing like that.

Then there was your general dismissiveness to my attempts to engage you afterwards. It seemed like you were, again, actively conspiring not to talk about reads. That’s something I consider to be bad. I could see you as a baddie trying to take advantage of the thread’s general lack of activity by throwing shade on a player or players who are trying to kickstart actual gameplay. I can see you doing that again in your response to my vote. You don’t seem to object to the vote itself, or at all concerned with my mindset when I made it. You’re just picking at the semantics of my post. I don’t think that’s what’s important about my post. If we’re going to talk about it, we should talk about why my “making things happen” statement is indicative of chocolate.

The debate about literally kept more serious discussions from emerging.

I asked you about reads and you said nothing and told me to “Fuck outta here.”

You got any reads now that don’t involve me?

Nutella and Jay voted for Eloh with me. Do you have thoughts on their votes?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:31 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:27 am Nutella and Jay voted for Eloh with me. Do you have thoughts on their votes?

They didn't vote Eloh with you. They voted, and you saved your butt and tried to make it sound like you had a plan to get some extra mileage out of it. Baloney ice cream.

It was Day 1. I don't fault people for making the crappy votes they did. When I see a spurious reason for that vote, that's when I get going.

What plan did I have?

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?

+ what sorts of things do you look for in scum?

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:10 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?

epi is the only read i have
a slight townread

for him to hold up his argument like that, places him in town rn

What is this referring to?

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:14 pm so during the night we are absolutely allowed to talk about reads and even make them?
thats a big change than what im used to

Yup. No posting restrictions whatsoever. It's generally quieter at night, but we're not limited in any way.

linki: yeah what the host said

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:10 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?

epi is the only read i have
a slight townread

for him to hold up his argument like that, places him in town rn

What is this referring to?

the untrustworthy v. trustworthy argument

could you pull it up for us to see? and also, if you don't mind, tell us why you think it's trustworthy.

playing mafia like me is being bombarded with homework assignments sometimes. i apologize.

*Playing mafia with me is like...

I get a C-.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:22 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:10 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm

was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?

epi is the only read i have
a slight townread

for him to hold up his argument like that, places him in town rn

What is this referring to?

the untrustworthy v. trustworthy argument

could you pull it up for us to see? and also, if you don't mind, tell us why you think it's trustworthy.

playing mafia like me is being bombarded with homework assignments sometimes. i apologize.

oh and i completely missed the last part

i feel mafia would choose to just step down from whatever argument theyre in rather than push thru it
see (my nutella read)

Epignosis is definitely not the type to play a soft or passive scum game. He's a very crafty baddie. He'd stick to his guns.
for whatever that's worth. I'm not saying you need to read him as scum, just that I wouldn't plant a town read on him specifically for that reason.

Let's take a look at all of the posts in which Epignosis tells people they are wrong or acts dismissive of things that they've said (sticking to game-relevant content):
#1
#2
#3
#4
#5
#6
#7
#8
#9
#10
#11
#12
#13
#14
#15


Some of these are fair questions that I don't object to. This also is not a comprehensive list, as I left out some posts that were just continuations of conversations started in other posts on the list. The point I am trying to make, which I've been trying to make for a little while now, is that Epi's general tone in this game is antagonistic. I don't view him as being constructive with his questions or his input. I think this type of content serves to inflame the thread and keep the civilians from forming a cohesive and productive atmosphere. I think Epi is doing this intentionally. I think that's how he would play in a game like this when he's bad. I don't think it's how he would play in a game like this when he'd good. By "a game like this", I mean one that is relatively quiet, lacking on content or power roles, in which the town's success will depend on its ability to work together and eliminate the small team of baddies using nothing but in-thread evidence. By keeping the thread unstable, he makes it that much more difficult for us to do those things.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:20 pm i ain't gonna be here for no deadline and it seems we're not consolidating any votes. i'm having a panic attack.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Other than that, Sloonei reads only slightly below what I remember as his average style of play. Day 0 was. Was your vote for sprityo a genuine a-ha vote out of the gate or was it a get-back-in-here-mister kind of thing? He circled back later, suggesting sprityo was the only player who had done anything worth discussing. Could be opportunistic or it could be a result of his definitions for the game. He leans more toward treating mafia as a science than I think I do.

He lurked and saved his own skin. Why? What made Eloh look worse and more deserving of death than Jay? He also had two votes at the time. He tried to back into a justification later but I’d like him to read both of them again and explain why Eloh and why not Jay.

His Night 1 has left a sour taste in my mouth. He was a little condescending and he generated a fair amount of white noise by clashing with Epi like they sometimes do.

I was at work for the last 6 hours of the day yesterday. Hence “lurking” and my declaration that I wouldn’t be around.

Does anyone feel like commenting on my Epi case?

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:10 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:08 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:05 pm imagine it from our pov

desperation is bad
dont be desperate

what


desperation is not bad. civilians don't want to get lynched

mafia dont want to get lynched even more than a civi
they are the minority


however town has the majority, and most civis arent desperate the way you are

I do not agree with this.